Can we confirm that the Atrix does not have HSUPA? Is it possible to enable this feature. I think this is a deal-breaker for most people especially with the laptop dock and extra fees associated with it.
I would start by looking at the build.prop file.
It might be as easy as that.
its already confirmed that it doesnt. Read the reviews for proof.
I can absolutely confirm that the Inspire has it disabled and that a different ROM enables it. ATT needs to be raked over the coals for this. I think I'm bout done with ATT branded phones..
That should be reason enough for a lot of people not to purchase it. Without a European version of the Atrix how will US AT&T customers overcome this limitation?
Has AT&Fail replied to this as to why they're doing this? It _might_ be their way of controlling the amount of users on their network, ya know? This would 'right size' the network load by moving folks to other carriers ... a possibly brilliant move on their part, and very transparent
The Bishop said:
Has AT&Fail replied to this as to why they're doing this? It _might_ be their way of controlling the amount of users on their network, ya know? This would 'right size' the network load by moving folks to other carriers ... a possibly brilliant move on their part, and very transparent
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A company doesn't want churn. Churn is bad for the bottom line.
Nobody has confirmed that it's off, except one person who didn't really know what the hell they were talking about.
We'll have plenty of data on Monday.
Squeak22 said:
A company doesn't want churn. Churn is bad for the bottom line.
Nobody has confirmed that it's off, except one person who didn't really know what the hell they were talking about.
We'll have plenty of data on Monday.
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I was being facetious
phillycreamboy said:
Can we confirm that the Atrix does not have HSUPA? Is it possible to enable this feature. I think this is a deal-breaker for most people especially with the laptop dock and extra fees associated with it.
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It won't be a problem as long as we can break into the files on it. =)
People using the Inspire 4G have already fixed there data problems by rooting it I believe.
computermilk said:
It won't be a problem as long as we can break into the files on it. =)
People using the Inspire 4G have already fixed there data problems by rooting it I believe.
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Can't we do this by rooting and then root exployer..? This is really gonna suck if we can't get HSUPA. I know MOTO locks down their stuff but really, I hope we can over come this.
Apparently the fix to this whole issue is to not use the stock wap profile. The stock WAP profile has data routed though a proxy server that is causing slowdowns. Once the proxy is removed people saw speed increases and uploads past 1.5mbs.
I'm glad that we have people smart enough to figure this out and possibly fix it... but why should the average consumer be subjected to this by AT&T? Most people wouldn't know this while AT&T laughs their asses off limiting their data speeds. This is a huge dealbreaker for me, and this would be too for everyone else if the general population knew about this. AT&T really needs to be called out for this and burned for essentially throttling speeds on all their smartphones besides iPhones while claiming fast speeds... Where can we start this?
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Apparently the fix to this whole issue is to not use the stock wap profile. The stock WAP profile has data routed though a proxy server that is causing slowdowns. Once the proxy is removed people saw speed increases and uploads past 1.5mbs.
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How do we go about removing this proxy? Sorry I'm a noon to this stuff.
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Apparently the fix to this whole issue is to not use the stock wap profile. The stock WAP profile has data routed though a proxy server that is causing slowdowns. Once the proxy is removed people saw speed increases and uploads past 1.5mbs.
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Where has this been confirmed? Link please.
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I would post a link but the stupid forum rules won't let me. Go to Howard forums AT&T general discussion and look for a HSPA+ thred. Go to page 55 and you will find some screenshots
I hope to try this out tomorrow.
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I would post a link but the stupid forum rules won't let me. Go to Howard forums AT&T general discussion and look for a HSPA+ thred. Go to page 55 and you will find some screenshots
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Thanks for the link
The first screenshot shows the apn list with ATT provided apn locked..cannot edit it. The next 2 show the apn settings. The ATT apn allows full upload and download speeds along with access to the wifi hotspot. Should be able to fix the speed issue without even rooting it
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...-)-America-s-True-Largest-HSPA-network/page55
The post is on this page.
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The first screenshot shows the apn list with ATT provided apn locked..cannot edit it. The next 2 show the apn settings. The ATT apn allows full upload and download speeds along with access to the wifi hotspot. Should be able to fix the speed issue without even rooting it
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...-)-America-s-True-Largest-HSPA-network/page55
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and this has been proven to fix the hsupa speeds? If so, how could it be this simple?!
Over in the Dev Discussion there is a possible solution based off some testing I had Fixter do as well as what I discovered on HoFo about someone who got HSUPA working on their Inspire without rooting or changing the Rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11510122&postcount=10
Check it out, try it see if it works. But don't post in the Dev channel about how it works, post here. I'll update that post if we have more people stating success. I'm also heading over to my local store in a bit to test it with an Inspire.
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Well - it was only a matter of time before AT&T stepped in. BGR reports that AT&T is cracking down on people tethering without the appropriate data plan.
This leads me to two questions:
(1) How do you suppose they know who is doing this? (Excessive use? Looking at data flows? etc.)
and
(2) For those who are using tethering without plan, what method do you use and does it make a difference?
(A) Adding APN (via aRoot script or other method).
(B) Modifying existing APNs (via richhed's method).
(C) Using App like Barnacle or Wifi-Tether.
Lets discuss!
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Use C, they can't prove you're doing it. Modifying your APN is an idiotic method to use.
i dont go over 2-3gb much
but i want to know i have it when i needed it
this is totally crap
That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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you tell 'em!
n7slc said:
That report is coming off of the iPhone. It's likely something they've done in iOS 4.3 that checks for something specific. Using the APN method is risky since it's easy for at&t to spot.
I've been tethering my Captivate since August and nothing yet....although I am a light user.
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" It is safe to assume that a large portion of the unofficial, tethering populous is jailbroken iPhone users and rooted Android users."
Glad i have unlimited data plan and no need for tethering
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Read on engadget today that AT&T is cracking down on people using tethering without a tethering plan. So far only people that have an Iphone are getting cracked down. I use the APN method. Will this be safe because I dont want to lose my unlimited data plan and get knocked down to 4gb + tether because thats what they are doing.
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i dont believe any android users have gotten the email/text YET. But you wont lose your unlimited data until after you receive the first warning email/text
There was an informative comment in the engadget comments:
For all you wondering how they can tell:
All IP packets have something called a TTL associated with them. It stands for Time To Live. Every "hop" along the network from one router to the next reduces the TTL by one. When it reaches 0, the packet is dropped. This was introduced to keep routing problems from overloading the network. If for example, by some error a packet was going around in a circular path, the TTL would eventually reach 0 and prevent a packet storm.
The thing is, ALL routing devices do this. OSes use standard TTLs. For example, let's say both your iPhone and laptop use 127 for the TTL. AT&T will receive packets from your iPhone with a TTL of 127, but since the packets from your laptop pass through your iPhone first, they arrive at AT&T with a TTL of 126. They can detect a tethered device this way.
Apple uses a TTL of 64 for the iPhone, by the way. So change the TTL on your computer to "65" and there should be no problem. Here's how to do it:
1. Click Start - Search and type “regedit”. This launches the WIndows Registry.
2. In the registry, navigate to the following registry key [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters] HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
\SYSTEM
\CurrentControlSet
\Services
\Tcpip
\Parameters
3. In the right pane, right-click and select New – DWORD (32-bit value) and set its name as “DefaultTTL” and set its value anything between “0? and “255?. The value sets the number of Hops or links the packet traverses before being discarded.
REPORT
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and..
TTL is a good start. However, deeper packet inspection would reveal HTTP requests from sources other than "approved software packages" (i.e. the http request would show a browser name like chrome). Protocols other then HTTP would be equally revealing.
Deep packet inspection is expensive; so they probably look for people whom consume a generous amount of monthly bandwidth and sniff their traffic.
The only way to protect yourself would be to encrypt your packet payload, until it reached a non-AT&T intermediate node. And of course, eventually that type of behavior would be a red flag. However, they would not be able to PROVE you were tethering, they would only have a reasonable suspicion (which appears to be enough for AT&T).
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Im not sure what the default TTL is for the plethora of Android devices or if this is even how ATT is finding out. Maybe Android users have not gotten letters yet is because of what someone said earlier: apple included something in 4.3 to detect this. Also, IF they are using TTL to detect, there are way too many Android devices with presumably different TTL values for them to precisely detect who is tethering.
from most the reports ive seen ATT has been usually handing these notices out to users that have heavy bandwidth usage. By heavy i mean, 18gb+ a month, this has been the case at least for most iPhone tethering users according to modmyi. It is pretty random tho as I've seen someone use as much as 33 gb in a month and not get served. but if ur within the 5 gb - 10 gb range i dont think you have to worry
Meursau|t said:
As soon as AT&T warns me that I'm using too much data, I'm going to warn them that their ****ty network and lies about 4G violate MY terms of service.
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Yep tell it like it is.
I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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At least with verizon, you have to deal with the same ****ty service, but you get LTE instead.
(I'm on at&t....)
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I have not been given a notice, how ever i am ahead of the curve on this, i spent hours 2 nights ago searching for this very report because i noticed that on all of my devices including my CR-48 att was blocking it and not allowing them to connect to the network, i was scared that they had found out.... some hours later it started to work again... now i saw this this morning and i know it is just a matter of time, i immediately have started looking for other carriers but the thing is once one goes they all seem to follow suit so i am not sure what i am going to do
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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What service are you paying for? We already pay for data. Data is data. What if internet providers started saying you pay for data to be sent to the modem, but you have to pay an additional service to "tether" it to another device such as a router or computer?
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maybe... pay for the actual service? =P
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well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
POOP - I misread
t0dbld said:
well first of all that would cost me my unlimited data plan... so that is stupid, 2 i have been a smartphone user for about 12 years and tethering was always included, than they removed it from devices but if you knew what you were doing you could do it on your own, as years have gone on it has changed to get to this ... this is one thing i will not budge on and never will, i do not condone pirating or anything else how ever , if i pay for a data plan to surf the internet from your network than what device i choose to use to do it is of no matter, i do not tether and have multiple devices hooked up or allow other people to use my connection, it is a matter of what device i am using to view the same thing, this does not justify and extra $45 a month charge because i wanted to view the same internet on my tablet instead of my phone while sitting on my couch, or if i want to tether while driving to use navigation. I am viewing the same thing on only one device
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But it's those that DO use it on 5+ devices, pulling in 20GB a month that ruin it for everyone else. Not to mention crowd our whole network with unnecessary traffic.
Since I rarely tether, have a built-in Navi for my car, and don't buy into the whole tablet frenzy, I may not feel your specific needs. But for those that are abusing the workaround, I have zero sympathy.
andy2na said:
I just got the tethering text... Im on the unlimited plan and have used about 2gb this month. I mainly use webtop with the hacked tethering method.
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um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
lsxrx7 said:
um sh*t
so this is not iphone only .....
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right, Android users are NOT safe...
Ive been using android on ATT since last July and have not touched an iPhone since, so theres no ambiguity with this.
Hi,
maybe it is a stupid question, but how do they (verizon) technically find out that someone tether over 3G, when you have a unlimited data plan (3G) and use 3G normaly from your phone to download? What is the difference between the data that comes over 3G when I download the same pdf to phone or over wifi/3G tether to the iPad ? It makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your answers
The amount of data you use is one method. The other is that they are building in tethering monitoring to the kernels that sends a message to the system that you're tethering.
I know for the DX/D2 the leak of GB from Verizon actually had a tether detection and every time you tried to tether, weather it was barnicle or wireless tether it would redirect you to Verizons website and asked if you wanted to tether to pay another fee ....idk if it will happen with this phone is VZ does decide to push out a GB for us ...
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I know for the DX/D2 the leak of GB from Verizon actually had a tether detection and every time you tried to tether, weather it was barnicle or wireless tether it would redirect you to Verizons website and asked if you wanted to tether to pay another fee ....idk if it will happen with this phone is VZ does decide to push out a GB for us ...
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The Fascinate has "hidden" tether protection that we have bypassed thanks to the kernel sources, but it is there in the stock kernel.
imnuts said:
The amount of data you use is one method. The other is that they are building in tethering monitoring to the kernels that sends a message to the system that you're tethering.
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So there is a program that work in the background sending data to the carrier when you use Wifi and 3G at the same time ?
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So there is a program that work in the background sending data to the carrier when you use Wifi and 3G at the same time ?
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Either a program/service within the framework, or a special command/method is used to notify the network that you're tethering.
But if we are using a ROM such as Evil Fascination or Community then they wouldn't be able to tell because of the custom kernels that come with them right?
Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
Thanks for the information, its very interesting . If I am understand it right, there is a part of it in the ROM and a second in the kernel. They have to work together, if one of the parts missing like in a custom kernel it prevent the phone from sending ?
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Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
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Even if you're using verizon's 3G mobile hotspot app? Or do you have to download a different wireless tethering app? (Which we can't cause verizon blocked all of them from the market lol)
Wifi tethering apps aren't hidden in the market for me....
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Wifi tethering apps aren't hidden in the market for me....
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No apps are hidden ....only one that was taken off was Wireless Tether and thats was a long time ago ...the rest are still there
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Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
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I work for an indirect sales and have access to Verizon and ill test to see if Verizon recognizes any tethering downloads...I know they can definitely tell whats tethered and whats not....will report back with confirmation tomorrow
edit:will test CM and Stock just to see how much is visible to them
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Hi,
maybe it is a stupid question, but how do they (verizon) technically find out that someone tether over 3G, when you have a unlimited data plan (3G) and use 3G normaly from your phone to download? What is the difference between the data that comes over 3G when I download the same pdf to phone or over wifi/3G tether to the iPad ? It makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your answers
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I know from working on a customers account that info your asking is clearly defined under current usage tab in our system...it divides the data used into smartphone usage and tethered usage...assuming they considered tether in the sense of hardwired and wireless...yes it is crazy what we can see from your phone reporting to us....will the system know? yes....will someone at verizon care? probably, are they going to pick thru every little customers account who has EVER tether and charge them? probably not....just dont poke the bear and you'll be fine...
mkzbdroid said:
I work for an indirect sales and have access to Verizon and ill test to see if Verizon recognizes any tethering downloads...I know they can definitely tell whats tethered and whats not....will report back with confirmation tomorrow
edit:will test CM and Stock just to see how much is visible to them
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....and what is the difference?
mkzbdroid said:
I know from working on a customers account that info your asking is clearly defined under current usage tab in our system...it divides the data used into smartphone usage and tethered usage...assuming they considered tether in the sense of hardwired and wireless...yes it is crazy what we can see from your phone reporting to us....will the system know? yes....will someone at verizon care? probably, are they going to pick thru every little customers account who has EVER tether and charge them? probably not....just dont poke the bear and you'll be fine...
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hopefully they dont change it where that tethered usage is automatically added to your bill. im on comm rom so it shouldnt affect me but those that arent should be careful or consider a custom rom
from what I had read at one time on ATT's tethering crackdown, the system was easily able to tell due to one little piece... the TTL.
here's a quote and more info on it... probably pertains to verizon as well.
For all you wondering how they can tell:
All IP packets have something called a TTL associated with them. It stands for Time To Live. Every "hop" along the network from one router to the next reduces the TTL by one. When it reaches 0, the packet is dropped. This was introduced to keep routing problems from overloading the network. If for example, by some error a packet was going around in a circular path, the TTL would eventually reach 0 and prevent a packet storm.
The thing is, ALL routing devices do this. OSes use standard TTLs. For example, let's say both your iPhone and laptop use 127 for the TTL. AT&T will receive packets from your iPhone with a TTL of 127, but since the packets from your laptop pass through your iPhone first, they arrive at AT&T with a TTL of 126. They can detect a tethered device this way.
EDIT: Some people below have suggested changing the default TTL of their tethered device (which is possible). I would just like to point out that the max TTL allowed is 255, and if the iPhone uses 255 as its default TTL, well there's no way you can set it to 256.
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I'm not sure if our android tethering apps take this into account and change the TTL of the traffic on the fly or not... would be interesting to test out though...
Hey there,
I have had this issue since I got my hands on my Atrix but it still bugs me that the issue has never been fixed. Others also still have these issues, but I hope that with our talented devs, a fix can be found.
When connected to my home WiFi network, Internet works fine.
When I disable WiFi on my phone, Data won't reconnect and the H icon won't reappear.
When I walk away from my WiFi range, Data again doesn't reconnect like it should.
When using data, after a minute or two the Icon will start to show repeated attempts of uploading data when I click something, but will never download anything, causing my website or app to hang and eventually time out. This is oddly fixed by me going to my APN settings, editing Vodafone Australia (my internet apn) but not changing anything and then going settings > save. Causing data to disconnect and reconnect correctly. (most of the time)
This is very annoying. I can stay connected to data for a max of 5 minutes, and I know it's not the network as my friend with a GT540 Optimus can stay connected for hours at a time at the same place in the same conditions.
If any dev can help then it would be greatly appreciated (or if anyone knows of a fix), I am willing to help test anything created and also provide any logs that may help narrow down the issue (although I made need assistance in retrieving those logs as I've never tried) in addition, the mods used on my phone can be found below in my signature except the radio info which is 1.77.30P
You can contact me on this thread, PM or rarely in the freenode chat
Thanks for your time.
- DarkRyoushii
is there really nothing I can do to help? This issue alone is making me consider selling up and buying a SGS2 or Sensation, since I rely heavily on a constant data connection.
I guess my only option is to wait for CM7 and hope that fixes the issues I'm seeing..
Wifi connection at my house is a pain. It won't connect to it at all unless I go into the wifi settings menu and turn it on from there. I also have problems with it losing data connection when going into the Market or Navigation...which was pretty bad on my trip to Arkansas. I just thought it was my Atrix.
Personally, every Android phone I have owned has had glaring hardware/software issues EXCEPT my Inspire. I'm switching to Apple. *prepares to be flamed*
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Wifi connection at my house is a pain. It won't connect to it at all unless I go into the wifi settings menu and turn it on from there. I also have problems with it losing data connection when going into the Market or Navigation...which was pretty bad on my trip to Arkansas. I just thought it was my Atrix.
Personally, every Android phone I have owned has had glaring hardware/software issues EXCEPT my Inspire. I'm switching to Apple. *prepares to be flamed*
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LOL, i won't flame you. Android vs iOS is the same argument as Windows vs MacOS.
It's a "Features" vs "Stability" trade off. Apple maintains better stability by cutting down features, locking things down and limiting usability <- not that hard to accomplish. Try to work in Windows 7 under non-admin account and without installing useless crap. You will be surprised as to how smooth and nice everything functions.
But for me, Android / Windows feature list wins by a large margin. I've only had one frustratingly buggy Android phone and it was a Droid 2 Global. Again, not Android's fault but Motorola's for releasing crappy software.
Anyway, if stability is your main goal, then iPhone is the phone for you
You might want to also try a Nexus phone (perhaps Nexus 3?). I've heard they are supremely stable. (never actually owned one )
p.s. I've seen a quote by someone on here, that half the fun from owning an Android phone is modding it. And for me that's 100% true.
DarkRyoushii said:
is there really nothing I can do to help? This issue alone is making me consider selling up and buying a SGS2 or Sensation, since I rely heavily on a constant data connection.
I guess my only option is to wait for CM7 and hope that fixes the issues I'm seeing..
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Is that the right radio for your phone?
I thought the 30p was for AT&T only? Could this be your problem? You may need an international radio.
I know you have an unlocked AT&T, but I thought the radio was carrier specific, and not phone specific.
I could be wrong though. My wife tells me I am always wrong!
CaelanT said:
Is that the right radio for your phone?
I thought the 30p was for AT&T only? Could this be your problem? You may need an international radio.
I know you have an unlocked AT&T, but I thought the radio was carrier specific, and not phone specific.
I could be wrong though. My wife tells me I am always wrong!
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hmm that seems like a good idea, but can I even flash an international radio on an AT&T handset? Also Vodafone Australia uses the exact same frequencies that AT&T use except AT&T 4G is considered Vodafone 850.
DarkRyoushii said:
hmm that seems like a good idea, but can I even flash an international radio on an AT&T handset? Also Vodafone Australia uses the exact same frequencies that AT&T use except AT&T 4G is considered Vodafone 850.
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Someone more technically minded with the Atrix will have to answer this. I thought the hardware was the same, so in theory flashing the wrong radio shouldn't do anything but give you data loss if it doesn't work. Then again, I am frequently wrong.
<edit> This might help: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1652182
CaelanT said:
Someone more technically minded with the Atrix will have to answer this. I thought the hardware was the same, so in theory flashing the wrong radio shouldn't do anything but give you data loss if it doesn't work. Then again, I am frequently wrong.
<edit> This might help: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1652182
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epic find. that's my post on an old user handle which I haven't bothered to change yes, I won this phone but so far it's been quite bugged. I originally thought that I was given a prototype/dev model since they shipped it before it was released but now I know that's not the case.
Has anyone tried an annoymous VPN like BTGuard to beat the ATT throttling? I am tempted and heard it works but thought I'd ask first if anyone can confirm it works for AT&T.
I would doubt that VPN would defeat throttling...you are still connected to att first.
The way around their data throttle isn't with a VPN. It's by setting up the correct APN and switching to it once they throttle you.
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The way around their data throttle isn't with a VPN. It's by setting up the correct APN and switching to it once they throttle you.
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Care to elaborate? I am curious because I always thought VPN would be the answer.
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I have been experimenting with a VPN since comcast made the six strikes rule I was going to get one anyway. So far it has been a total success. I am at 5.12gb of data unthrottled grant it not from lack of trying. At one point during the night ATT actually singled out my phone vpn ip and Throttled it. When i woke up i bounced to a new server and i was free again. I will mention the frequency of my need to bounce to knew servers if someone asks. But will say if you tether dont think of tethering with a vpn on your phone as it will be to slow warrant use.
Been looking into this for awhile now. Today, I've just rooted my Huawei Ascend Mate 2 (on 4.3) and I'm absolutely giddy over having a rooted android
Two things I've been finding come up is to change the APN settings (been playing with those, doesn't seem to help ) and to go into data/system/throttle and delete the two files you find there after backing them up to your pc. Problem is, while this folder seems to pop up for a lot of people, there doesn't appear to be a throttle folder in my phone. This may be because, even though it was sold through Net10 and uses Net10 service, it's originally technically an AT&T phone. To my understanding (and I may be a total noob here), the big carrier companies like AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc, throttle you when they see you're using too much on their towers. But that prepaid carriers piggyback on the big carriers, so rather than being able to monitor you (because they can't watch the towers, it's not their towers) they install these triggers in their devices to automatically activate when you exceed a certain data threshold (in my case, 3GBs). Is my understanding incorrect here? Just trying to learn from what I read on forums.
Anyone here who can help me figure out how to bypass the throttle, or at least make it a bit faster than 16kbps when being throttled? I understand getting slowed down, I'm not gonna sit here like "Lol but it says unlimited lol" because I actually read the fine print. But 16kbps is unbelievably slow (on full bars/strong dbm signal. Weak signal areas give me about 2kbps while on throttle). Hell, I'd be good with 50-100kbps.......
If you need more info to help me out, just ask! I'd appreciate anyone who has any ideas on how to either bypass or speed up (even slightly).
No flaming or 'smartassery', please, not everyone knows what may be obvious to you.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but typically throttling takes place on the network not the native side it would be too hard to manage however that being said Mac address tracking does seem to take place quite a bit that's mainly for marketing purposes. In the past throttling was controlled by a proxy server. Take out the proxy and you remove throttling. I am sure I don't know the infinite number of ways to limit or governor each data connection but as for now I am using a cc variant that I manually built to factory unlocked spec and no proxy or throttling my only limitation seems to be how far away from the tower I am and the limitations of the hardware itself which I can't complain at times I can peg the meter on a speed test.
SonyXperiaz1s said:
Been looking into this for awhile now. Today, I've just rooted my Huawei Ascend Mate 2 (on 4.3) and I'm absolutely giddy over having a rooted android
Two things I've been finding come up is to change the APN settings (been playing with those, doesn't seem to help ) and to go into data/system/throttle and delete the two files you find there after backing them up to your pc. Problem is, while this folder seems to pop up for a lot of people, there doesn't appear to be a throttle folder in my phone. This may be because, even though it was sold through Net10 and uses Net10 service, it's originally technically an AT&T phone. To my understanding (and I may be a total noob here), the big carrier companies like AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc, throttle you when they see you're using too much on their towers. But that prepaid carriers piggyback on the big carriers, so rather than being able to monitor you (because they can't watch the towers, it's not their towers) they install these triggers in their devices to automatically activate when you exceed a certain data threshold (in my case, 3GBs). Is my understanding incorrect here? Just trying to learn from what I read on forums.
Anyone here who can help me figure out how to bypass the throttle, or at least make it a bit faster than 16kbps when being throttled? I understand getting slowed down, I'm not gonna sit here like "Lol but it says unlimited lol" because I actually read the fine print. But 16kbps is unbelievably slow (on full bars/strong dbm signal. Weak signal areas give me about 2kbps while on throttle). Hell, I'd be good with 50-100kbps.......
If you need more info to help me out, just ask! I'd appreciate anyone who has any ideas on how to either bypass or speed up (even slightly).
No flaming or 'smartassery', please, not everyone knows what may be obvious to you.
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They do not use files on the phone to throttle you. That is done at the providers end.
There is NO possible way to bypass throttling.
I'm with metro pcs $60 plan and I feel I'm being throttle. When I first got their service I was getting real good download speeds, now I could barely load a webpage. Would calling them and complain fix it? Lol
I get better speeds when I set the phone to WCDMA only its just really strange
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Moody66 said:
They do not use files on the phone to throttle you. That is done at the providers end.
There is NO possible way to bypass throttling.
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Then why does the throttle folder with files exist on *some* prepaid devices (as i stated, while this is using a prepaid service it technically is not a prepaid phone)? It obviously is there for a reason. Too many people have reported success with increased data speed by removal of these files to not be true.... Also saw a posting about getting much deeper into the phone, doing stuff to dex and jar files, ive been meaning to find that posting again.
pucherto123 said:
I'm with metro pcs $60 plan and I feel I'm being throttle. When I first got their service I was getting real good download speeds, now I could barely load a webpage. Would calling them and complain fix it? Lol
I get better speeds when I set the phone to WCDMA only its just really strange
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Idk, maybe? Youd probably get better feedback if you posted this as an independent question rather than here.
Thats interesting about the WCDMA thing though. Ive heard before that that can help but havent tried it... most stuff i havent tried because im afraid of doing something wrong and screwing up the radio, haha
Some have had their speed reinacted through straight talk by calling and apologizing and complaining and asking to speak to the manager, basically any means possible you have of trying to extract precious high speed from them. But, who knows how long it would last for if you were able to succeed.
SonyXperiaz1s said:
Then why does the throttle folder with files exist on *some* prepaid devices (as i stated, while this is using a prepaid service it technically is not a prepaid phone)? It obviously is there for a reason. Too many people have reported success with increased data speed by removal of these files to not be true.... Also saw a posting about getting much deeper into the phone, doing stuff to dex and jar files, ive been meaning to find that posting again.
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Old technology. It was replaced with Sims. Long ago. If it were that simple people would just put there Sim into a different phone and have full access again. This can NOT be done.
pucherto123 said:
I'm with metro pcs $60 plan and I feel I'm being throttle. When I first got their service I was getting real good download speeds, now I could barely load a webpage. Would calling them and complain fix it? Lol
I get better speeds when I set the phone to WCDMA only its just really strange
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I also use MetroPCS, but I have not seen any throttling. I would def call them. I have found their cust service to be pretty good. I normally get 50-75mb down speeds here in New York and I use 15-20 gb's a month. There are areas where the speed will be slower, but it is still 15mb or higher in those areas. The $60 plan does not have any throttling.
Moody66 said:
Old technology. It was replaced with Sims. Long ago. If it were that simple people would just put there Sim into a different phone and have full access again. This can NOT be done.
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Ahhh. So that applies to CDMA phones, but not GSM phones, if im understanding correctly?
arampapaz said:
I also use MetroPCS, but I have not seen any throttling. I would def call them. I have found their cust service to be pretty good. I normally get 50-75mb down speeds here in New York and I use 15-20 gb's a month. There are areas where the speed will be slower, but it is still 15mb or higher in those areas. The $60 plan does not have any throttling.
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Man, wish I could get MetroPCS where I live.... Im stuck with AT&T or any prepaid plans that piggyback off AT&T. Super jealous right now, I can only use 3GBs until data speeds become unbearable, haha
SonyXperiaz1s said:
Man, wish I could get MetroPCS where I live.... Im stuck with AT&T or any prepaid plans that piggyback off AT&T. Super jealous right now, I can only use 3GBs until data speeds become unbearable, haha
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Yeah, I used to have AT&T, then Straight Talk. I switched to MetroPCS because I kept getting throttled after my 3gb's were up. The throttled speeds are useless. Now I don't have to worry about data at all. I wasn't sure the service would be too great, but I have not had any issues so far. But that's the great thing about buying unlocked phones, we are free to use whoever we want.
SonyXperiaz1s said:
Ahhh. So that applies to CDMA phones, but not GSM phones, if im understanding correctly?
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CDMA phones use Sims as well.
You're going to want to use T-Mobile to get the best speeds. If you have a healthy MT2-L03 and using fast.t-mobile.com as your APN I'm never throttled unlimited top tier LTE. You won't get the same speeds with any other carrier.
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You're going to want to use T-Mobile to get the best speeds. If you have a healthy MT2-L03 and using fast.t-mobile.com as your APN I'm never throttled unlimited top tier LTE. You won't get the same speeds with any other carrier.
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They are good for data. But coverage is very limited still.
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I pay $55 a month from Cricket. That gets you 10gb of LTE. Throttled at 8mb a second. thats more then enough to do anything. I've had this phone since release and use mobile hotspot all the time for my laptop and tablet on the road.
superbass311 said:
I pay $55 a month from Cricket. That gets you 10gb of LTE. Throttled at 8mb a second. thats more then enough to do anything. I've had this phone since release and use mobile hotspot all the time for my laptop and tablet on the road.
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So after being throttle you get 8mbps of download on 3g? What's your speed like before being throttle?
What are you talking about that is before throttle. what providers promise and what the towers actually deliver is 2 different. things. 8mbps is LTE. my brother has a Note 4 on Verizion and on a speed test with 3 bars of LTE he only gets around 10mbps if he's lucky. he is not being throttled. he pays about $160 a month compared to my $55 from cricket. there is nothing on my HAM2 that I cant do with 8mbps. name something....
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