Hey Guys,
I believe that we should make a petition to get moved back out of Legacy. There are many of us still here within our two year contract with this phone, and obviously with three active gingerbread ROMs there is still plenty of development going on with this phone. I may be a sore loser, but I don't want to see my phone legacied while I'm still stuck with it for awhile. Sign this thread if you agree, and hopefully we will get enough posts to get noticed.
Muerte
I second the motion
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LOL calm down guys, I sent svetius (one of the head moderators at xda) a pm telling him about how the Eris forums are still very very active and shouldn't have been moved and his reply was that they are working on getting it fixed. We're still going to be in the Legacy Devices section, however, they are trying hard to fix the issue with the Eris forums no longer being available on the xda app.
Eh, I'm calm enough, I just feel that justice should be done, and there should be set rule's on when stuff becomes legacy. It makes no sense to me why we are legacy, yet older phones remain on the main page.
muerteman said:
Eh, I'm calm enough, I just feel that justice should be done, and there should be set rule's on when stuff becomes legacy. It makes no sense to me why we are legacy, yet older phones remain on the main page.
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Yeah that is actually making a lot of people mad (me included). Phones like the G1 still have not been moved to legacy, yet we are now running 2.3 on our devices and get moved. Eh, hopefully it will all get worked out though.
I asked specifically about the G1 vs. Eris, and the reply I got is that the "legacy" decision is not made on the basis of handset age or capability alone - the amount of traffic on each device's forum is part of the decision.
The G1 - because it was sort of the first (US) Android phone - apparently has an active forum. No gingerbread for the G1 at this time, though
I can sort of see the logic, as the idea is likely to keep "most" of the site's users happy; OTOH, as soon as you introduce judgement calls into the process, you're gonna end up with people who feel slighted when they are on the receiving end of the "legacy" scarlet letter.
Whatever. There are lots of phones, most of which have market life cycles of 1 year, and XDA tries to cover WinMo, Android, (and now apparently the Iphone, too?) - it's their website to do as they see fit.
Whether the Eris is labeled as current or legacy, I don't forsee lots of new devs joining the ranks of Eris. I sure am glad for the ones we have, though.
bftb0
I really don't see an issue. As bftfb0 says, we're likely not getting any more devs. Most eris users don't have much longer on their contracts (obviously not all of them) and chances are if there were a dev out there... we'd have gotten their attention already.
Besides, being labeled legacy isn't going to change anything. This device is nearly... what 3 years old? 2? That's a long time for phones.
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This device is nearly... what 3 years old? 2? That's a long time for phones.
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It was first sold in the first week of November, 2009. That makes it a little over 1 year, 3 months.
The (HTC) T-mobile G1 - with less RAM, less ROM, and a older MSM72xx processor - but clocked at the same speed (528 Mhz), started shipping in October 2008 - 2 years, 4 months old. I think that was the first Android phone sold directly by a major US carrier.
I guess I'm starting to see the logic, but my biggest issue is now I cannot read it on my G-Tablet or my Eris. If they get legacy into tapatalk or their app, ill be happy again.
I vote for changing "Legacy" to "Older devices" where the sole deciding factor is age, then sorting phones by forum activity. Thank this post if you agree.
After all, NOBODY can argue the Eris's age.
Just got a message from svetius and he said the new app version which should release in a week or so will have access to legacy.
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Ok so did anybody else notice that our Eris forum is back in the XDA app now?
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Apperantly we're off of legacy as well.
Yes we are ! All they had to do was move us off of legacy and it automatically made us accessible in the app as well !
So our little eris isn't old and out dated after all!
Super excited that we are back in the main section!! I missed the XDA app a lot.
Thanks to all that assisted!
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I think this is resolved.
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I'm returning my Atrix and I was wondering how I keep the apps I bought from the Market? Do I have to back them up with Titanium or will the market remember that I bought the apps and just let me reinstall them on a different phone as long as I sign in to the market as the same user?
Market will remember as long as you use the same credentials to set up your new phone.
Appbrain.com is the computer version of the Android Market. You can sync your device to the website and vise versa. You can backup and save the apps that you have downloaded and bought and then quickly download them again.
https://market.android.com/ is the computer version of the market, appbrain.com is a 3rd party site.
Excellent, thank you all. Atrix goes back tonight.
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I am curious, why are you sending the atrix back? What are you getting to replace it?
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I am curious, why are you sending the atrix back? What are you getting to replace it?
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Returning it because the bootloader is locked with no crack in sight, and at&t screwed us on hsupa. Motorola's new update removes root and devs are leaving the Atrix so that should throw red flags up. I don't want to be stuck with this locked Atrix for 2 years and only get updates when motorola gets around to it and then having to hope I can root after every little update. I'm not happy with them locking me out of it so I'm not supporting motorola. Botched recalled updates etc. I'm getting the inspire 4G to replace it and I will be able to Tinker with roms all I want! Hardware wise I love the Atrix. I'll miss tegra games and the high res screen but that's it. Moto and at&t crippled it. Sad. Such Huge potential.
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Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
I agree with everything you said, except for the Inspire. Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
You need a nexus one
joelszs said:
Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
I agree with everything you said, except for the Inspire. Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
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You know, as we veer rapidly off topic, I have to say that while I've been disheartened by the shackles put onto this "open" OS of Android by Motorola and while I too am waiting with baited breath for someone to hack open the bootloader, not a day goes by that I'm not happy I switched away from the iPhone to move to an Atrix. While I agree that while the "4G" is still nowhere to be seen and that the locked bootloader is a pain, this is still twice the device my iPhone 4 ever was, especially as the Android OS doesn't treat all its users like they're half brain-dead and completely lacking any technical knowledge. I'm happy to say I'll be keeping my Atrix.
I'm unsure if I'm keeping my Atrix. I'm still within the 30 days - I love the phone, but some of the things I tend to do are things I can not do without access to the bootloader.
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You know, as we veer rapidly off topic, I have to say that while I've been disheartened by the shackles put onto this "open" OS of Android by Motorola and while I too am waiting with baited breath for someone to hack open the bootloader, not a day goes by that I'm not happy I switched away from the iPhone to move to an Atrix. While I agree that while the "4G" is still nowhere to be seen and that the locked bootloader is a pain, this is still twice the device my iPhone 4 ever was, especially as the Android OS doesn't treat all its users like they're half brain-dead and completely lacking any technical knowledge. I'm happy to say I'll be keeping my Atrix.
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I concur!!!
People are saying that kholk is working on unlocking the bootloader. Last I heard of Da_G, he was working on it too.
Something you guys might find interesting is the white nexus s that has access to the AT&T 3G bands.
Anyways, on topic: Backup your apps using TiBu to your external sd-card. Then plop the new card into your phone, and restore.
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People are saying that kholk is working on unlocking the bootloader. Last I heard of Da_G, he was working on it too.
Something you guys might find interesting is the white nexus s that has access to the AT&T 3G bands.
Anyways, on topic: Backup your apps using TiBu to your external sd-card. Then plop the new card into your phone, and restore.
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what exactly can we do from unlocking the bootloader
read above a 5th grade level for one (some can do this without an unlocked bootloader)
Just wanted to let everybody know that I've tried the VALPHA3 of CM7 with Tiamat's 1.1.0 AOSP kernel and (aside from the known bugs) I've NEVER seen an Android phone run this great. 1 hour of medium-heavy use off the charger, OC'd to 1.6 GHz using SetCPU and the lagfree governor and auto-brightness on connected to WiFi, I'm only down 4% on the stock battery. No issues connecting to a WPA2 WiFi network and this thing is FAST! Benchmarks barely show how sweet this thing is running.
[Insert demoralizing comment]
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Doesnt it worsen multitouch?
Temari x Shikamaru
If the benchmark doesn't beat the GSII then ill pass...
Sent from my double barrel Shooter. BANG!
By the way, it seems like the benchmark scores are fairly low because I'm using a "less-than-ideal" 16GB Kingston class 10 card that only achieves class 4 write speeds. Also, anybody who knows anything about Android knows that benchmarks only show half of the story. Not even sure why I included the screenshot now. Had to be the excitement.
I haven't seen any issues with multi-touch.
Also [insert question about demoralizing comment here]...
Why's that? I mean, benchmarks are pretty useless anyways. Testing in real world applications is what matters. And CM7 is much more responsive than Sense apps in that respect.
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It's responsive but buggy. I thought cm
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I have no clue why the alpha 3 thread was closed as I was pretty excited to get an RC or stable download at some point.
Anybody know the status of CM 7 for the EVO 3D?
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I am on hboot 1.5 -- is it possible to get cm without bring s-off?
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issafram said:
I have no clue why the alpha 3 thread was closed as I was pretty excited to get an RC or stable download at some point.
Anybody know the status of CM 7 for the EVO 3D?
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Maybe they are working on bringing alpha versions of ics?
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Maybe they are working on bringing alpha versions of ics?
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lol?
I already said this..if you guys are expecting any kind of a stable ICS rom before the year's end then you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed. The source isn't gonna be released until middle of November. Then you have a month in half to code a working rom from 100% scratch?
Not to mention 2 major holidays to deal with in that time...no.
The CM7 alpha thread got closed because it was filled with morons going off topic or *****ing each other out. We may not even have nightlies for CM7 before the year's end... development on this particular phone is slow and boring. It is what it is tho..we'll get it eventually.
No 100% working ics until April or May. Im calling it.
Temari x Shikamaru
As an aside: Gingerbread was released in December (SDK was Dec 6th, I couldn't find an actual source date, but I didn't look to hard).
And we had "kang" builds working for the Evo4g by Christmas. I couldn't find when official nightlies began (it looks like mid-January) and the first RC release was in mid-February.
Hopefully this will give people a little perspective into dev times. Granted this is not a timeline that is set in stone. As of right now the 3D doesn't even have CM7 nightlies so it might (read: probably will) take longer.
Just have patience.
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The CM7 alpha thread got closed because it was filled with morons going off topic or *****ing each other out. We may not even have nightlies for CM7 before the year's end... development on this particular phone is slow and boring. It is what it is tho..we'll get it eventually.
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I thought that was why, but that is a awful reason. I remember the thread was locked or cleaned up at one point, but come on. Toast is a great dev and all, but I don't support that decision. The one thing I always complain about (and my peers) in work environments, is lack of communication. Im a dev too and I understand that asking for ETA isn't nice. I'm not asking for that at all. Just give me a status update like I dunno, once a month would be nice. I hope the CM team doesn't look at us like a typical dev/client relationship in the work force, where that relationship is non existent.
And yea I know they do it for free, they have real lives, stop complaining, etc. I'm not complaining....I'm asking for better/more frequent communication.
And its my OPINION. If you disagree, do so politely.
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Rippley05 said:
lol?
I already said this..if you guys are expecting any kind of a stable ICS rom before the year's end then you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed. The source isn't gonna be released until middle of November. Then you have a month in half to code a working rom from 100% scratch?
Not to mention 2 major holidays to deal with in that time...no.
The CM7 alpha thread got closed because it was filled with morons going off topic or *****ing each other out. We may not even have nightlies for CM7 before the year's end... development on this particular phone is slow and boring. It is what it is tho..we'll get it eventually.
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This. And even then people should expect to wait MONTHS for things like 4g support or to do without 3D features. At least thats what I remember with the OG Evo.
Also agree with issafram, its a shame the thread was closed instead of cleaned up and forced to stay on topic. I have only followed a handful of ROM threads so I can't speak for how widespread it is, but it seems the EV0 3D forums has been plagued with these problems compared to the EVO 4G forums. I can pontificate the reasons all day but I think the solution is to crack the whip until the offenders learn or leave.
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...Just give me a status update like I dunno, once a month would be nice...
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Alpha3 was released Sept 25th. It is barely over 1 month since then and there have been a couple "status updates" since then.
This is not directed towards you, just in general: Why do people feel like devs owe them something?
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Alpha3 was released Sept 25th. It is barely over 1 month since then and there have been a couple "status updates" since then.
This is not directed towards you, just in general: Why do people feel like devs owe them something?
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The devs don't owe us anything and I know that 100%. Its just hard for a development forum to stay development related when there is basically no public development being made. I love teamwin and toastcfh and can't wait for another release but by the way things seem we wont see anything until nightlies which are probably another 2-3 weeks out. Once trwp 2.0 is released cm7 development should speed up I think. Just no telling when either will be released.
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bagelicious said:
I am on hboot 1.5 -- is it possible to get cm without bring s-off?
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Saw this... hope i answers your question...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306248
rank78 said:
This. And even then people should..... .
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No.
Not "This."
Not that at ALL.
Instead,
THIS:
issafram said:
I thought that was why, but that is a awful reason. I remember the thread was locked or cleaned up at one point, but come on. Toast is a great dev and all, but I don't support that decision. The one thing I always complain about (and my peers) in work environments, is lack of communication. Im a dev too and I understand that asking for ETA isn't nice. I'm not asking for that at all. Just give me a status update like I dunno, once a month would be nice. I hope the CM team doesn't look at us like a typical dev/client relationship in the work force, where that relationship is non existent.
And yea I know they do it for free, they have real lives, stop complaining, etc. I'm not complaining....I'm asking for better/more frequent communication.
And its my OPINION. If you disagree, do so politely.
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Sorry, rank78, but Issafram has it exactly right, here.
If you're going to open a thread, be it in the Dev Forum, in General, in Q&A, or in Themes, there needs to be one thing included in every one, and that's just:
"Common Courtesy".
It shouldn't matter at all how talented the Developer is, or how highly anticipated the ROM is:
If you're going to take the time to open a thread in the first place, the ONE responsibility you should take on is the responsibility of keeping a simple line of communication open to the users who decide to devote their time and interest to that thread.
Sure, you're more than welcome to state right up front "Don't ask for ETAs" and "Keep the thread on-topic!", but the OP has a responsibility then as well:
That's just to take a SMALL bit of time, (even if it's only once a WEEK) to let the users/subscribers know that at least you are 'still working on things', or 'at a roadblock' or 'on hold for now' or even that you're still alive, even.
Apparently, in the CM7 thread, that was too much for even TOAST or Shift to handle, and to insinuate that the closing of the thread was the fault of users going off-topic, (after not a single post in three weeks) , is absolutely asinine.
What kind of topic are users supposed to "stay on" when, by all accounts and measures, the developer has 'jumped ship' on the entire project?
Of course the users in that thread got sidetracked and began making off-topic posts.
Would you expect anything else?
Nope, the CM7 thread WASN'T closed due to the off-TOPIC habits of the users...
Rather, though:
The CM7 thread WAS closed due to the off-THREAD habits of the Developer and the "Maintainer".
Simple as that.
(Not just my two cents, because that's the absolute truth.)
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mazook98 said:
No.
Not "This."
Not that at ALL.
Instead,
THIS:
Sorry, rank78, but Issafram has it exactly right, here.
If you're going to open a thread, be it in the Dev Forum, in General, in Q&A, or in Themes, there needs to be one thing included in every one, and that's just:
"Common Courtesy".
It shouldn't matter at all how talented the Developer is, or how highly anticipated the ROM is:
If you're going to take the time to open a thread in the first place, the ONE responsibility you should take on is the responsibility of keeping a simple line of communication open to the users who decide to devote their time and interest to that thread.
Sure, you're more than welcome to state right up front "Don't ask for ETAs" and "Keep the thread on-topic!", but the OP has a responsibility then as well:
That's just to take a SMALL bit of time, (even if it's only once a WEEK) to let the users/subscribers know that at least you are 'still working on things', or 'at a roadblock' or 'on hold for now' or even that you're still alive, even.
Apparently, in the CM7 thread, that was too much for even TOAST or Shift to handle, and to insinuate that the closing of the thread was the fault of users going off-topic, (after not a single post in three weeks) , is absolutely asinine.
What kind of topic are users supposed to "stay on" when, by all accounts and measures, the developer has 'jumped ship' on the entire project?
Of course the users in that thread got sidetracked and began making off-topic posts.
Would you expect anything else?
Nope, the CM7 thread WASN'T closed due to the off-TOPIC habits of the users...
Rather, though:
The CM7 thread WAS closed due to the off-THREAD habits of the Developer and the "Maintainer".
Simple as that.
(Not just my two cents, because that's the absolute truth.)
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That's exactly what I've been trying to say. But everytime you say anything like you have idiots who's only response is "the devs don't owe you anything" well maybe they don't but if it wasn't for us they would be nobodies.
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Looks like the Droid Eris finaly got moved and is not on the main list of devices anymore. Hopefully that doesn't change developers minds about doing anything for our little Eris anymore. So sad...
We stuck in there tho for a while!
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Darn, it has. Oh well, I can see why, this forum has been cooling off in the last few months, as people move off to 4G land. I hope development doesn't completely stop, I love this little thing <3
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This happened once before and we were able to get it back on the main list. Instead of banishing phones to the graveyard, they should restructure how they organize the variious phones. They aren't very open to making changes though as it's been brought up before. I'd prefer sections for HTC, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Sony, etc that then goes to a list of their phones or something similar
They kept the og droid forum which doesn't have much development going on but has the name recognition but lack any ICS development as far as I can tell. Among other suspect choices, they also kept the wildfire forums around...the phone that ported our eris ICS build lol. Less than a month ago there was a portal story about the first group of phones that had running ICS builds...that group included the eris, heroc, and gsm hero which are now all relegated to the legacy forum. Thank you xda for agreeing with Verizon that the eris, and other capable phones, are no longer worth your time
WTF?? I logged on this morning and started scrolling down to find the eris section and.......nothing??? Hopefully goose, shed, CS and the other bad asses who have kept the eris on top will stay around for a little longer.....my wife just got the Verizon Inc2 and i hate to say it but i might have to go get one. Anyways thanx to everyone in the eris section, not just devs, but EVERYONE, its allowed me to show off to all my family and friends who thought their brand new phones were the $hit, til they seen what my old eris is runnin!!
LONG LIVE THE ERIS
still in the same spot its always been if you use the compact forum view!!!
MongooseHelix said:
This happened once before and we were able to get it back on the main list. Instead of banishing phones to the graveyard, they should restructure how they organize the variious phones. They aren't very open to making changes though as it's been brought up before. I'd prefer sections for HTC, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Sony, etc that then goes to a list of their phones or something similar
They kept the og droid forum which doesn't have much development going on but has the name recognition but lack any ICS development as far as I can tell. Among other suspect choices, they also kept the wildfire forums around...the phone that ported our eris ICS build lol. Less than a month ago there was a portal story about the first group of phones that had running ICS builds...that group included the eris, heroc, and gsm hero which are now all relegated to the legacy forum. Thank you xda for agreeing with Verizon that the eris, and other capable phones, are no longer worth your time
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Yeah when it happened last time I yelled at Svetius and he put it back, this forum is more active than most of the other devices on the site like every windows phone that is added every day.
Cheers everyone, always loved the Eris since the day it came out
Captainkrtek said:
Yeah when it happened last time I yelled at Svetius and he put it back, this forum is more active than most of the other devices on the site like every windows phone that is added every day.
Cheers everyone, always loved the Eris since the day it came out
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So... You going to yell at him again? Lol
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Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Really you should name the title better as it gives people false hope.
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Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
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I'm confused about your logic on this and frankly it seems that your "I'll show you that we're screwed" attitude seems to make this irrelevant. But for the sake of anyone else reading this and getting utterly depressed that our amazing phone may not be getting ICS... well that's just incorrect. This page shows that ICS is currently in development (as opposed to "evaluation & planning") for the photon and is in the category of phones with at least 1GB of RAM, which I would like to consider promising.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Also the main complaint from the article you linked to was about delayed updating of the X2. I don't even know how much longer that's been out than the Photon b/c it's seems like a LONG time.
Anywho, stop being so d**n negative!
Plus we have awesome devs that have gotten us cm9 already, and stable much earlier than most phones so I guess I don't understand the severity of the problem if you're on this site.
dsims7_2000 said:
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
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So some guy named Brandon Russell regurgitates another writers article and you all are gung hoe? I have some land I would like to talk to you about
@ricky, read back S-L-O-W-L-Y. I have no issues with my Photon, none at all. I might jump for a new EVO, but thats beside the point. I have no problems with the Developers here, they do, and continue to do a great job. But, my Photon is GREAT.
If all of you take my first suggestion here, In my OP in the link about, my issues is with Sprint and the way they handled business! How do you put a EOL of a device thats not even a year old, but you continue to support the original EVO (although threated a few times to shelve it?) If it breaks in May, you do not get another Photon, you get a compatable device. yes, CM9 is great! if it breaks then, then what, you rooted it, so that's blown out the water.
The second link was to clarify 2 things. 1. if Sprint is going to EOL the Photon, they are not going to support it, PERIOD! (It they keep that promise). Therefore, the Q3 promise is, for the most part, dead. That user responded by telling me the motorola controls OTA upgrades. As that article stated, reguardless of carrier or device, these are controlled by the carrier, not the manfuacture.
Lastly, to comment on my last sentence in this original post, who s**t on who? Did Sprint crap on Motorola with not enough advertisement, support, ect. Or did Motorola crap on Sprint by making Development promises they could not keep and Sprint finally said "F" it?
Learn how to name your threads appropriately, please.
Moto said rollout starts in Q3 - Q3 has NOT started yet!
And I don't care at all "who did what to who". It's just a friggin' phone man!! I've got a dozen gathering dust in the bottom of my closet. Along with a dozen computers I've given to charities, friends and families over the years.
dsims7_2000 if you are that angry and bitter why dont you go to Verizon or ATT. I would like to see ICS on the photon to but no one ever geranteed that it would get it. If it does then thats great if not oh well we still have cm9.
Into y'all feelings much? .... Welp this is my last few posts for the photon as I have a epic touch too and going to be there for awhile.. Look guys I been here for awhile like back since the winmo days HTC cingular 8125 and tmo wing.. And since cm3 ppl been just needy complaining upset at things that shouldn't matter.. Look it's just a phone g1 users was messed over hero users and a few more.. Just appreciate the phone as is cause if GB was the last OS update these threads wouldn't be happening!
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If you have one for me ill take it
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Dude! Calm the F&#K down!
Moto has it officially listed as rolling out in Q3. Sprint is EOL-ing certain devices early just to make sure that all WiMax hardware is cleared out before LTE comes in so there's no confusion.
If you wanted WiMax to stick around and grow, you should've rallied more people to Sprint. Instead, everyone wanted the iPhone or they thought they could "hear everybody now" on Verizon. Now they're stuck in contracts with Data caps and insane bills. Meanwhile, we still have comparatively nice bills and unlimited data but we're all stuck with having to switch over to LTE and endure a massive network overhaul. *Shrug*
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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Could not have said it better myself.
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TurbulentEddie said:
Really, the most confusion seems to be understanding what EOL actually means. It doesn't mean your phone is done with updates or that if you call support they won't help you, it mostly just means they're done selling/swapping it.
I suggest the OP re-read his linked article. It's not Sprint/USCC that's doing a crappy job of rolling out ICS, it's Motorola, which completely contradicts his claim. The carriers are certainly involved with testing and giving the final approval for OTA updates (and EOL status has nothing to do with that), but the gruntwork behind updates is done by the manufacturers.
FTR, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it takes Motorola this long to do updates. Their dev team and code infrastructure must be absolutely horrendous considering that a small group of amateur enthusiasts are able to produce mostly working ICS ROMs within a month or two of the release of ICS -- without manufacturer-provided driver updates.
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I agree very well said
I have no worries about Motorola. As was stated before, Motorola said they are developing the update for the Photon and it should be out by Q3. I'm not worried about Sprint choosing to EOL the Photon. We are going to get ICS and I'd imagine that even if Sprint choose not to support ICS that Motorola would leak it to the community. You think all these SBFs were by accident?
OG epic still getting updates! I'll leave it at that
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The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
stonesaber said:
The original freakin' Droid got an update a few months ago and it went EOL a loooooonnnng time ago.
It's crap like this thread that has led me to ignore the OP.
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I agree. this post is bogus
dsims7_2000 said:
Before we get to business you gotta read my link about how we got s**t on:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1559943
@ Forum member "TheShackSpecialits" this is just for you!. I stated with EOL Sprint will never let us get ICS. You stated we will because manufactures control OTA updates. I then gave you several reasons why they dont. This, my friend is for you!!
Not only did this article verify what I said, It also gave Motorola a grade of "D", the lowest of ANY cell manfacture for doing OTA Upgrades. This has to bring up the question, who s**t on who?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-are-the-best-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
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Seriously.......i could respond to this but i would restate what everyone has said thus far. I work in S&R and there is a reason I said everything I did. Your still very wrong and its frustrating that your still on this track with multiple employees and contributors telling you , that you are very wrong. I wish i could pull the i-connect and cebu articles to prove you wrong but i cant because thats a violation of policy. You have provided me with alot of entertainment but now im going back to lurking unless im contributing. This whole thread and previous thread make me sad. To loki and other members thanks for your contributions.
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Dsparil said:
Motorola got my money for the last time. Many thanks to our devs for getting us ICS
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Sprints the reason you aren't getting it. It is Sprints phone, Motorola just made it for them. Like Foxconn makes iphones for Apple. If Sprint Eol the Photon and ends support also. There will be no official is. Im pretty sure Sprint can sue them if they released an oat update on Sprints network and their tailor made phone they paid to have made.
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I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable. We need to start a petition and start harassing htc to get there **** together. Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them. We can harass sprint but I think everyone in the US still with sprint is either because they don't care or they to have unlimited data. So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs. I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait.
I want this thread to be ideas as to what we can do to change how we are seeing the mobile area form. *I have to say I am contemplating windows 8 phones with quad cores and lte if they come out before the end of the year, because of all this bs.
Things I want.
Unlimited data
1080p gorrila glass screen (we are on the verge of quad hd- not too much to ask)
1080p capture
over 13 mp camera
removable battery
sd card slot
lte
quad core
more than 2 gb of ram
more than 64 gb of storage
wish list
waterproof case
5000mah battery
Your expectations is too high, mate..
But cool imagination..
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I get your mad but this only makes about the 50th thread about this. If you want ics go buy a nexus or use one of the other ics roms. You could help by developing yourself and stop complaining. I bought this phone because it was faster than the EVO 4g not because of ics. And mean Rom is great so isn't just about every ROM in the development section ( blaming that as to why I'm a flashaholic) unless I missed something and ics with sense will cure everything. So just chill for now I'm sure your phone works fine and if you need something so bad either develop or pay to play.
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Yeah lol they won't care what the little people want.
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Cool sorry bro...
Oh wow lol. Nice
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Maybe this will fuel his rage a little more:
www.engadget.com/2012/04/21/sprint-discontinues-htc-evo-3d/
Those specs are very reachable.. they won't because that's how they control their own market to maximize sales. IPhone has 64gig memory other phones in Europe have 12+ MP and another gig of ram wouldn't be hard at all... Point being is that they all have to be complete control freaks ( not as bad as apple)
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And if sprint is discontinuing the 3D all the more reason to release ICS if it won't hurt sales... Most people that have the 3D can't upgrade till next year anyways
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my point is that people that bought the htc evo 3d, if your like me, bought the first dual core wimax phone. ics wasn't a secret. jellybean is coming out. wtf are we waiting for. htc is trying to act like apple but we get less memory. they lock our bootloaders and now no sd cards and removable batteries. android an open source is being more closed than apple. let not forget people have been hacking iphone for a long time now. the reason we choose android is because we can mod the stuff ourselves without or at least thats what it was in its prime. the specs I lay out aren't even that hard. why the **** do I have to settle with 4gb of storage when apple was putting out 32. Remember we made htc what it was. from people from back in the day with htc mogul, htc touch pro touch pro 2 and htc evo know what im talking about. I think if all of the people that not only create the mods that we download but all of people that come on xda say they will not buy another phone from htc until we start seeing what we want we could make a change. remember we did make enough of a fuss about the bootloader that we atleast scared htc.
HTC will release ICS when they are ready to release it. Starting a petition will only waste your time. HTC is aware that the minority of their customer base is very unhappy with the lack of a timely release. How many petitions were started when everyone was waiting for GB for the OG EVO? Did these petitions have any effect on HTC to make them release it any faster, not one bit.
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Cool sorry bro...
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Hey, op, next time, maybe you shouldn't get an android.
I know I probably won't.
look at the **** we are getting for htc. about a million different sensations, and all this bull**** with evo shift evo design.
Also mean rom is great, don't get me wrong. but why do our people have to **** with gingerbread when we want to be messing around with ics.
as for getting a nexus, the nexus is great but sprint gets it 6 months later and i wasnt going to get a single core when dual cores are coming in. and i wont get the galaxy nexus when quad core are here.
htc said they are going to stop making so many different phones like a new sensation every week but why the **** are the putting in non-replaceable batteries and no sd cards. on top of that give us 16 gb of storage. the ****ing lowest level of the iphone.
I hate apple with a passion but steve jobs was the only person pushing this industry forward. My point is that we are the consumer and if we refuse to buy the crap the give us until they give us what we want we can make a change
I agree
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What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
Cool story bro
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What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
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This ^
I have been with Android since the drop of the cdma Hero and I am still the only person I know in Roanoke VA. that even knows what a rooted phone is aside from the friends I've told... Nobody cares except the extreme minority... Which is us here.
I'm Batman..
"I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable."
Why is it unacceptable? ICS source was, I believe, released in November. That's about 6 months ago. HTC has a large portfolio of devices that they need to work on upgrading, bug testing, and so on. They're going to make sure they release a finished product. They had to prioritize something, so they focused on the Sensation line first. You didn't get picked first, deal with it. It's only been 6 months. It seems like a long time, but for a corporation that is designing new phones, working on upgrading older ones, and dealing with a lot of other things, that isn't that long at all. Also, it's not like other manufacturers have been releasing ICS on their phones left and right. Show me a Moto phone that has been upgraded. How about the Epic 4G Touch's update?
"Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them."
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that this isn't Google's fault because they've released the source code? That's true. This isn't their fault. But it's not like the source code that they release can just be put onto our phones; HTC actually needs to do work with that. The update between Gingerbread and ICS is a pretty significant one, so HTC probably has to put quite a bit of work into it.
"So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs."
What's wrong with the lack of a removable battery? It's a design choice. I bet you can't think of one reason not to have a removable battery other than to use a larger battery. Guess what? Too bad. HTC chose to integrate the battery so that they could give a better built phone. And the LTE DOES have a removable SD card. This shows that you barely even did research on the phone before deciding to complain about it.
We and thousands of others buy these phones. HTC locks the bootloader for safety reasons. I can't believe that people do not understand this. They don't want to have to deal with idiots messing up the phones. There are plenty of people here who know how to flash ROMs but other than that cannot hold their own at all. HTC has nothing to gain by unlocking the bootloaders on their phones, and a lot to lose. But they offer a way for us to unlock them officially, and in a safe way. Almost all of their recent devices are supported by this, and you don't have to worry about updates. It really is a good service but people overlook it because it voids their warranty. Which it should.
"I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait."
Mean ROM is a great ROM and it provides a stable experience for people that want a fully working phone. Our current ICS ROMs are buggy and not nearly stable enough. They also lack some basic functionality, such as camera and 4G. We have to wait because the update hasn't been released yet.
Bottom line: This phone hasn't been updated yet, but neither has the Rezound, the RAZR, the Epic 4G Touch, and so on.. the number of phones that have been updated is incredibly low. This is because they haven't finished them yet. These are companies that release expensive electronics to consumers, and need good reviews from their customers. This means that they have to work at nearly perfecting a release; they have to fix the bugs, make it stable, and make sure everyone will be able to use it without problems. If they release an update that hasn't been tested thoroughly enough, they could face major backlash from the market. Now instead of a few hundred people on development forums complaining that an update hasn't been released yet, they have thousands upon thousands of customers with phones that don't work right.
Making a few hundred people angry >>>>> making a few thousand people angry.
This applies to all of the OEMs, not just HTC. So stop your complaining, stop your whining. You aren't the only one in the world who hasn't gotten his precious ICS update yet. Many other people are waiting for it too, on different carriers, different phones, and so on. All around the world. I don't think you realize that it isn't as simple as copy and pasting to each phone and throwing it out there. It works here on XDA because the users can function as testers, but that's not how professional businesses work. Users are not supposed to be testers for their work; they have employees for that.
My reply to this will be in another thread!
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