Alright XDA I just got off the phone with Tmobile Android Tech Support and they mentioned that the Vibrant is compatible with the new 4g network that is mid rollout but the phone has to be rooted (done) and new firmware installed (also done, thanks Bionix). Any ideas on how to turn that little feature on?
Wrong section...lol
Anyway, its an automatic thing. The only way you'll see if you are in HSPA+ instead of reg 3G is if you have a Froyo ROM loaded. The only phone (out the box) so far that shows the H is the G2
They're talking about the HSPA+ and our phones aren't capable of HSPA+. They do have HSPA 7.2, so you will see an increase of speed but not the full HSPA+ speeds of the network.
I think someone telling you you stories.
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dav3wash said:
Wrong section...lol
Anyway, its an automatic thing. The only way you'll see if you are in HSPA+ instead of reg 3G is if you have a Froyo ROM loaded. The only phone (out the box) so far that shows the H is the G2
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You can also download mobile signal widget from the market. I have it on my vibrant. It shows E, G, 3g, and H, so even though the phone itself won't show it, the widget does. I myself am getting good speeds with my vibrant. I have hit 6.3 mbs down and 1.6 up sitting at my desk at work.
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would a tmobile rep really tell you that your phone has to be rooted?
Vibrant does not have HSPA+ you get some speed pump if network in your area are HSPA+ but not full 4G speed.
There is some confusion on how T-Mobile is marketing this upgrade. What they are trying to explain is that because the HSPA+ and the HSPA network share resources, that when the serving cell site is upgraded to the fast 50 mbps backhaul fiber for HSPA+ that the HSPA phones like the vibrant will have a faster backhaul connection and should run at much closer to the 7.2 mbps theoretical throughput. Some curernt 3G sites are running at 2 T1's currently which limits your data throughput to 3 mbps due to the backhaul connection. When the site get upgraded to HSPA+ it still has the same 2 T1's but they add an additional fiber connection that is 25 mbps to 50 mbps depending on the providers capabilities.
jtc442 said:
You can also download mobile signal widget from the market. I have it on my vibrant. It shows E, G, 3g, and H, so even though the phone itself won't show it, the widget does. I myself am getting good speeds with my vibrant. I have hit 6.3 mbs down and 1.6 up sitting at my desk at work.
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What's the name of the app?
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What I am happy about is that T-Mobile has decided to stop being so damn scared and is actually advertising it as 4G. True, the technology is based on 3G, but the data speeds are actually better than the current 4G implementations. Verizon and sprint did this with their current 3G CDMA networks. When they first launched EVDO it didn't meet the 2mbps required by the 3G standards. That didn't stop them from marketing it as 3G though and eventually the technology caught up.
And the HSPA+ network is not tapped out either. We could soon see 42 mbps on a HSPA+ network.
I will welcome the day when they stop with all the marketing BS and just advertise the prices and speeds. ill take 21 mbps 3G over 6mbps 4G any day.
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What's the name of the app?
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Nevermind I reread your post
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wj04 said:
Alright XDA I just got off the phone with Tmobile Android Tech Support and they mentioned that the Vibrant is compatible with the new 4g network that is mid rollout but the phone has to be rooted (done) and new firmware installed (also done, thanks Bionix). Any ideas on how to turn that little feature on?
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As some of the other posters have noted, you were slightly misinformed. T-Mobile's "4G" network is really HSPA+. The Vibrant does not support HSPA+: you cannot get "4G" on the Vibrant because its hardware is not compatible.
However, in those markets that get HSPA+, the regular HSPA speeds should increase—to take advantage of this you do not need to do anything, your phone will automatically handle it for you. The Android version on your device has nothing to do with being able to handle the speed increase.
Some ROMs change the network indicator in the notification bar to show when you are connected to a HSPA network (H) as opposed to a UMTS (3G) one. If you feel that you ought to be getting HSPA network connections, but your phone is only showing "3G", you can verify this yourself by going to "Settings > About phone > Status": there is an entry there that says "Mobile network type", and this will either say GPRS, EDGE, UMTS or HSPA.
Further, why are questions being asking in a development forum? Will a mod please move this to the appropriate location, and will people please start paying attention and posting their questions in the proper location.
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What's the name of the app?
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uh....he said it's called MOBILE SIGNAL WIDGET just search that on the market...lol
They Said It Will Only "Boost" The Internet Speed On Our Phones,
my Roommate has a T-Mobile HTC HD 2 rooted with CM6 and in Orlando, FL he gets the "H" hspa+ and very very fast.
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my Roommate has a T-Mobile HTC HD 2 rooted with CM6 and in Orlando, FL he gets the "H" hspa+ and very very fast.
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The "H" is for HSPA. It doesn't matter if it's "plus" or not. The HD2 is capable of HSPA 7.2 3G speeds, not HSPA+ 3G 4G speeds, but since HSPA+ is simply and upgrade to the existing HSPA 7.2, then not only will HSPA 7.2 phones (like the HD2 and all current T-Mobile Android phones) work on HSPA+ networks, but they will perform closer to the 7.2Mbps maximum possible download speed of HSPA 7.2 technology. However, they will not reach the higher speeds that are possible with phones designed for HSPA+ like the G2.
Short answers:
-Does the Vibrant work on T-Mobile's "4G network" (HSPA+)?
Yes
-Does the Vibrant get better speeds on "4G" than on 3G?
Yes
-Can the Vibrant take full advantage of T-Mobile's "4G data" and achieve speeds beyond what is possible on 3G (HSPA 7.2)?
No
Just want to point out that its hsDpa and hspa+. Hsdpa is up to 7.2, hspa+ is up to 21. None of the t mobile phones tell you which you are on, because it doesn't matter unless you are on a g2 (which still doesn't tell you, just says H either way). It would be nice to know, but a quick speed test will always make it obvious. If your getting over 1.5 down (tmobile 3g max) your on hsdpa.
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Just want to point out that its hsDpa and hspa+. Hsdpa is up to 7.2, hspa+ is up to 21. None of the t mobile phones tell you which you are on, because it doesn't matter unless you are on a g2 (which still doesn't tell you, just says H either way). It would be nice to know, but a quick speed test will always make it obvious. If your getting over 1.5 down (tmobile 3g max) your on hsdpa.
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HSPA is a term used to cover both HSDPA and HSUPA. The "D" is for "download" and the "U" is for "upload". When we're talking about network speeds like 7.2 vs 21, we're usually only talking about download speeds, so strictly speaking we've only been talking about HSDPA for both 7.2 and +.
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HSPA is a term used to cover both HSDPA and HSUPA. The "D" is for "download" and the "U" is for "upload". When we're talking about network speeds like 7.2 vs 21, we're usually only talking about download speeds, so strictly speaking we've only been talking about HSDPA for both 7.2 and +.
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Mostly true. HSPA (High-Speed Packet Access) does consist of both HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) and HSUPA (High-Speed Uplink Packet Access). HSDPA allows for 7.2 Mbps downstream on T-Mobile's US network, although HSDPA can accommodate speeds as high as 14.0 Mbps. HSUPA allows for upstream speeds up to 5.7 Mbps.
Originally, most carriers started with HSDPA, while maintaining the original 384 kbps speeds on the upstream of 3G. For this reason there was a difference between HSDPA and HSPA: HSDPA was used for received faster downloads but still receiving the lower 384 kbps upstream speed; HSPA was used for when the handset was received HSDPA speeds downstream and HSUPA speeds on the upstream.
HSPA+ (Evolved High-Speed Packet Access) allows for up to 56 Mbps downstream and 22 Mbps upstream. T-Mobiles "4G" HSPA+ network is only getting 22 Mbps downstream at present, but it is possible that this could increase.
True 4G service means that 100 Mbps or greater is possible downstream. Sprint's WiMax "4G" network is not true 4G either: it is only rated at 40 Mbps at present, although theoretically it can achieve 1 Gbps.
However, all of this is moot, since the Vibrant (like all other SGS devices at present) does not have a HSPA+ radio, and therefore can only reach a maximum 14.0 Mbps downstream, and 5.7 Mbps upstream. Also, this really does belong in either General or Q&A.
It's weird. I have an Atrix and a new GSII. At home my Atrix shows HSPA and my GSII shows HSDPA. Isn't HSPA "4G" and HSDPA 3G?
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It's weird. I have an Atrix and a new GSII. At home my Atrix shows HSPA and my GSII shows HSDPA. Isn't HSPA "4G" and HSDPA 3G?
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That's what I thought too, and I'm also showing HSDPA... hmmm... but the upload speeds are HSPA+ so it can't be right.
I thought both 3G and "4"G could be called HSPA. High Speed Packet Access.
Doesn't the D stand for download. I thought HSUPA (U for upload) was the feature that got all the publicity with the Atrix, as it wasn't activated at launch.
I am sitting on H+ according to my status but in about it says UMTS, which I thought was 3G. My HTC 8525 ran on UMTS 4 years ago.
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I thought both 3G and "4"G could be called HSPA. High Speed Packet Access.
Doesn't the D stand for download. I thought HSUPA (U for upload) was the feature that got all the publicity with the Atrix, as it wasn't activated at launch.
I am sitting on H+ according to my status but in about it says UMTS, which I thought was 3G. My HTC 8525 ran on UMTS 4 years ago.
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I think in the about settings HSPA means HSPA+ while HSDPA means the slower standard. I think it is probably a bug. My Atrix could distinguish between HSPA and HSDPA in the about settings. In areas without 4G it would read UMTS or HSDPA while in advanced backhaul areas it would read HSPA. On The GSII it seems to be messed up. I never saw HSPA.
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I think in the about settings HSPA means HSPA+ while HSDPA means the slower standard. I think it is probably a bug. My Atrix could distinguish between HSPA and HSDPA in the about settings. In areas without 4G it would read UMTS or HSDPA while in advanced backhaul areas it would read HSPA. On The GSII it seems to be messed up. I never saw HSPA.
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Mine is acting the same way my Infuse was. It never seems accurate. Obviously if you pass the 0.33mbps range your HSUPA is enabled. That's about all we really know for sure, hehe
Phone status display frequently is broken in the framework and not reporting correctly.
For example, the Infuse would report UMTS when in an HSPA+ mode...
Entropy512 said:
Phone status display frequently is broken in the framework and not reporting correctly.
For example, the Infuse would report UMTS when in an HSPA+ mode...
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I'd imagine the marketing\disguising one technology as another and not being forthcoming about where has "enhanced backhaul" nor defining what "enhanced backhaul" even is in terms of speed, likely doesn't help things either ;-)
hspa and hsdpa are both 3.5G at best
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Dial *#0011# on your phone. The screen will show what exactly is your phone using. So far, I have yet seen 'HSPA+ used' display anything other than 0.
Got my AT&T Galaxy Note a few days back and I live in Mission Viejo, CA. I have noticed that most of the time it just displays the 4G icon and other times it has a small LTE under the 4G icon. So... is there such a thing as 4G and 4G LTE?
New to the whole 4G phones... as I came from an iPhone.
When it says 4g your are on on At&ts hspa+ network. If it say 4g and has under it Lte you're in a Lte area.
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Yes, LTE is LTE, otherwise it's HSPA+ (also considered "4G"). When mine shows LTE (which is only when I assume the Fox viewing position) I drop by a couple of bars. Sounds like you are either in a fringe area like me, or you're in a building that is causing LTE signal degradation.
What's a Bieber?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS9sUm5Y0sg
In addition, if you go Settings > About Phone > Status > "Mobile Network Type" you can also tell what network you are on.
Think I got it. So HSPA is 3G, HSPA+ is 4G and LTE is a better 4G?
technically hspa is 3g hspa+ is 3.5g lte is 4g.
HSPA+ is pseudo 4g- it's really 3.5G with some backend modifications by att(something called enhanced backhaul) to enhance 3G for faster speeds. LTE is tru 4G.
Here is a link to explain the differences in 3G,4G,and LTE.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB115951&cv=820#fbid=U9S_RXqCY_R
Is there HSPA+ throughout all of AT&T's network then, just not LTE yet?
Then I am guessing my iPhone 4 was only HSPA (3G) only and not capable of getting HSPA+?
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In addition, if you go Settings > About Phone > Status > "Mobile Network Type" you can also tell what network you are on.
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Hell mine keeps alternating between UMTS and HSPA, no + after it either.
No wonder I get choppy pixelated HD videos on youtube.
Hi everyone, just had a quick question about LTE and cm9. Currently my phone displays an H, but if I was in an LTE area, would it say LTE or something else? Also will the default apn settings for cm9 enable LTE when I am in that area? Thanks!
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In my experience, it will display the 4G icon in LTE areas, and the H for HSPA+ area's.
Right, In aosp the signal indicates exactly what it should, not those bs lies the carriers spit out, confusing people...
They have been selling HSPA as 4g for years, when it's not a new technology, it's just 3g better implemented, so it's like 3.5g.
Lte is the true new tech, so it's actually 4g, which is what aosp says.
E= edge 2g
3g= self explanatory
H=HSPA (what has been sold as 4g)
4g=LTE (actual 4g)
I'm new to using Tmobile an just not sure if I'm getting all the connections that i should with my mega. I'm using the unlocked canadian mega the 527M model
in the area around my house i get LTE so i see the LTE icon and i also sometimes will see H+ i know both of these are high speed connections.
however, other than this when i get in a non LTE area i only ever see an E icon and the speed is so insanely slow i would describe it as near what i would get on sprint as 1x speeds.
I've also a few times seen just a G icon which i have no idea what it means.
i have never seen a 3G icon and i am thinking that i should definitely at least be getting 3g speeds in many of the non LTE areas and the tmobile coverage map says this as well but the speeds are so slow in these areas there is no way they are 3g. we are talking way under a meg like 150kbs
i don't know if my APN settings could be improved or if there is even a problem but the symbols i see in the areas i see them seem wrong.
G is GPRS, E is EDGE both dial up speeds. H and H+ are 3g speeds. H+ was marketed as "4G". LTE is true 4g. If your getting any connection your APN is fine. Depending on the bands that your mega supports you can check tmobiles coverage map or this crowd source map for the 1900mhz band http://www.airportal.de/
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