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Hello, I saw a some information on a Norwegian site about the new HTC Dream, with a new processor, the MSM7201A, same as the touch pro.
If so, when somebody dumps a the andriod for the Dream, isn't that fearly "easy" to port, since they have the same processor?
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Like most newer advanced smart phones, Dream has been a processor with high-Clock. 528 MHz processor that provides the type of chipset Qualcomm MSM7201A. This is the same chipset that's in the HTC Touch Pro and Touch HD. ADP1 has 192 MB of memory available to the user.
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Can somebody tell me if I'm stupid or confire the facts?
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Even though it has the same processor, the hardware is still different, so while it's fairly easy, you still need to have that in mind when trying to port/make drivers work.
Ginormous thread regarding this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
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Alright I know that the Evo Shift hasn't come out yet but the rom was leaked, right? So what are the chances it would work on the Rhodium to replace Windows. Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
I was going to buy a Evo or an Epic but decided to wait heared rumors of phones coming out this year with dual cpu's and I'd rather have a Evo (4.3") with a slide out keyboard and dual cpu (if they do that).
I have run the Android off the SD card but it isn't great. It is good but it would be better if it was a true rom replacement for Windows. I love the keyboard (I believe it is the best slide out keyboard out there) and the tilt (for my kids when we are out and me as well).
Well hope it is possible if not I will just stay with Windows until something better comes along. Good luck to anyone that works on it I have a 2 Sprint Touch Pro2's so I can test on one of them if anyone needs a tester.
Kurisukuni
Dude... the Evo Shift has significantly different hardware. It does the RHOD no good whatsoever...
Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
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This statement makes me think you don't really know what you're talking about, you're just making assumptions. It doesn't work like this in the real world, sorry dude.
I honestly laughed out loud.
Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
Kurisukuni said:
Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
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Remember, the processor, RAM, and ROM are the basics of what make up the "computer" part of the device. They are possibly manufactured by the same company (usually with parts imported from different companies), but things like instruction sets, etc could be and usually are very different. Also, the capacitive touch screen will create huge differences as well.
The 7600 is ARMv6, the 7630 is ARMv7 (those are the instruction sets I mentioned). They also have completely different cores, as well. Really, the only things they have in common are similar names and RISC structure.
Thank you! That is all I was looking for. I was hoping it was possible. I figured that would have been it but the that gets me is (I know nothing of writing software) it's not even possible of using the Evo Shift rom as a base. Again if it has alll to do with the processor, ram & rom I understand. But looking at computers for example you put windows xp on a 366mhz computer with 256mhz of ram & have a 500gb ide drive. I runs
Sorry for not finishing doing this off my Rhodium.
It would run slow but it runs. I know there is a big difference between a desk pc & a Smartphone. I am just saying people have rewrote OS's to work on different things. How about running Rhobuntu on the Rhodium? I haven't done it but it has been done.
I am not trying to start any kind of fight or problems was just wondering. I do thank you for the info. I am just learning about alot of stuff. I have flashed my phone & others many times. I am working on rooting & flashing a Samsung Moment now (trying to decided which rom to flash). Currently I am runniing NRGZ28 Energy rom (released 1/6/2010).
Thanks again.
If your question is whether or not a really good or group of really good coders could get it ported, the answer would be "most likely." The point of the answer, though, was it would have to start from ground up. There isn't a whole lot that could be taken from what's currently written for the Rhodium.
The Rhodium has run other software that was not meant for it. It is a matter of writing different drivers, not whether the hardware is there or not.
What's so awesome about the Evo Shift ROM that we don't already have? What is it about it that makes you want it ported?
Note: If you answer "this or that isn't working on with xdandroid" - it is because we don't have drivers for it. The hardware differences between the Evo Shift and Rhodium may be minor on paper, but in reality, they are going to be significantly different in terms of driver compatibility. Just look at all the hardware differences between various Rhodiums the xdandroid team has had to deal with that aren't visible to end users.
Things I would expect:
1) Completely different panel
2) Completely different GPS RPC API (Note: This is probably more dependent on the radio ROM than the hardware itself, but still - it would almost surely be significantly different.)
3) Probably a completely different wifi chipset
4) Probably a completely different bluetooth chipset
5) Completely different camera
I agree with your statement about holding out for a dual core evo shift as that would be the ideal next fone for me too
But as regards your query . . .evo shift is android right? And you do kno we havnt even perfected Basic Nand yet (good work being don't but not their yet) its not a case of ripping the rom changing a few things BAm! Flash it on and bobs your uncle its far from that Even if the device had the same specs. But regarding the specs you mentioned about the rhodium vs the evo. . .that is a pretty huge difference hardware wise even if you take overcloking into account(which will suk the battery dry)
For example take the huawei, iv heard it has close on identical specs to the rhodium family devices (528 processor) and it runs android froyo . . . . But that rom couldn't be just ripped and stuk on the touch pro. A port was made and after a lot of work it was got running (over on neopeek), But it wasn't Nand at all. It was run from sd card (which is the best method atm)
So in short could we get it running on tp2? Yes . . . .But it would NOT be off nand. And would it be worth the time and effort? No. . . . .because even after all the work I can almost garentee that it won't run as well as the huawei rom or other ported fone firmwares due to the fact of hardware differences
SAMSUNG FOCUS
How's is this phone for Rs.13290 (US$ 290)
1. Super AMOLED capacitive 4" touchscreen, 16M colors.
2. 8 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM
3. 5 MP, 2592 x 1944 pixels, autofocus, LED flash, [email protected]
4. 1 GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chipset
5. Will be getting Mango Update in October
How's the deal and phone in your point of view?
http://cgi.ebay.in/250883320186
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lekhwani said:
SAMSUNG FOCUS
How's is this phone for Rs.13290 (US$ 300)
1. Super AMOLED capacitive 4" touchscreen, 16M colors.
2. 8 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM
3. 5 MP, 2592 x 1944 pixels, autofocus, LED flash, [email protected]
4. 1 GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chipset
5. Will be getting Mango Update in October
How's the deal and phone in your point of view?
http://cgi.ebay.in/250883320186
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well if u like windows phone 7 than its good for you
shhbz said:
well if u like windows phone 7 than its good for you
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Have just heard that Mango is good.
Wish to keep 3 all the time:
One Android Phone O1 or xiomi
One Mango Phone rs.13000
One Ipod Touch 16 gb rs.13000
Features and capabilities apart, Market Place for all devices available as well. Best of three worlds.
A lot of time to play and waste
(Android Market/App Store/Mango Store.)
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lekhwani said:
Have just heard that Mango is good.
Wish to keep 3 all the time:
One Android Phone O1 or xiomi
One Mango Phone rs.13000
One Ipod Touch 16 gb rs.13000
Features and capabilities apart, Market Place for all devices available as well. Best of three worlds.
A lot of time to play and waste
(Android Market/App Store/Mango Store.)
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well xiaomi will support dual booting as well as i heard from sources so it might boot mango aka windows 7.5,miui,cm7,aosp rom all in one.
why dont u get an hd2 instead the best phone ever u can easily get a mint 1 at around 280 $-300$ if u want to use mango as hd2 will definately supprt all or wait for xiomi as it makes his way in xda and see what else starts cooking
Lekhwani : one of my friend is using this phone, except the specs nothing is good right now. Even though u can flash the mango, but the market is currently not available for Indian users. You need to hack/trick to use US market. Also, you will get bored quite easily after few days as no quality apps etc. I would suggest to wait until some big updates comes for WP7 thn only think to purchase it. For a great combo, use your current phone with iPod 4g and you will enjoy best of the world. iOS is great for gaming/music/videos and awesome appstore which will keep you busy. One the ICS comes, thn upgrade ur Android phone.
Ps: if you buy iPod 4G buy 32gb atleast as most good apps/games demands huge mb's and 8gb would be too less for you.
LINK : qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
According to this PDF from Qualcomm that lists QC3 and QC2 devices, the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 "contains the hardware necessary to achieve Quick Charge 2.0" (page 4, bottom right).
Apparently Xiaomi has not enabled the feature. But it can probably be enabled by modifying the kernel.
Can the developers confirm that this can be done?
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LINK : qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
According to this PDF from Qualcomm that lists QC3 and QC2 devices, the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 "contains the hardware necessary to achieve Quick Charge 2.0" (page 4, bottom right).
Apparently Xiaomi has not enabled the feature. But it can probably be enabled by modifying the kernel.
Can the developers confirm that this can be done?
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Actually RN3P Kenzo suport even QC3.0,but this feature is not enabled by default by manufacturer.Take a look here: qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/650
Here are detailed processor specs;this is a very powerfull and versatile procesoor&chipset.650Snapdrgon can support even NFC but this device does not have such feature enabled.
Snapdragon 650 Processor Specs
Compare all processors
CPU
Up to 1.8 GHz hexa-core
(2x ARM® Cortex™ A72, 4x ARM Cortex A53)
GPU
Qualcomm® Adreno™ 510 GPU
DSP
Qualcomm® Hexagon™ DSP
Camera
Up to 21 MP camera
Dual Image Sensor Processor (ISP)
Zero Shutter Lag
Video
Up to 4K Ultra HD capture and playback
[email protected] capture
H.264 (AVC)
H.265 (HEVC)
Display
Up to Quad HD (2560x1600) on device
1080p external display support
Audio
Qualcomm® Immersive Audio
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ Voice Activation
LTE Connectivity
X8 LTE
LTE Category 7
Up to 300 Mbps DL
Up to 100 Mbps UL
Downlink Features:
2x20 MHz carrier aggregation
64-QAM
Uplink Features:
2x20 MHz carrier aggregation
16-QAM
Global Mode
LTE FDD and TDD
WCDMA (DB-DC-HSDPA, DC-HSUPA)
TD-SCDMA
EV-DO and CDMA 1x
GSM/EDGE
Additional features include:
LTE Broadcast
LTE Dual SIM
HD Voice over 3G and VoLTE
Wi-Fi calling with LTE call continuity
Wi-Fi
Qualcomm® VIVE™ 1-stream 802.11n/ac with MU-MIMO
Location
Qualcomm® IZat™ Gen8C
Charging
Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 2.0
Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 3.0
Security
Qualcomm Haven™ security suite:
Snapdragon StudioAccess™ Content Protection
Qualcomm® SafeSwitch™ Technology
Qualcomm® SecureMSM™ hardware and software foundation
Memory
LPDDR3 933MHz dual-channel
Process Technology
28nm HPm
RF
Qualcomm® RF360™ front end solution
USB
USB 2.0
Bluetooth
Bluetooth Smart 4.1
NFC
Supported
Part Number
8956
@Luiggi79 Agreed. But the RN3 does not have the required antennae for NFC, even though the SD650 supports it.
However, it does have compatibility for QuickCharge 2.0 and I believe it could be enable in the kernel. (I don't know about QC3.0 since the document does not say so).
This is similar to the LG G2 which had official support for QC1.0, but could successfully achieve QC2.0 using custom kernel.
what are the chances of getting this working?
And why did xiaomi not include something which the chipset supports?
Both those features would have made this a killer handset, are they that much more expensive to implement?
gotbass said:
what are the chances of getting this working?
And why did xiaomi not include something which the chipset supports?
Both those features would have made this a killer handset, are they that much more expensive to implement?
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If it has the hardware capability then it should definitely work. But the battery should be able to handle it too.
Xiaomi probably didn't enable it because they did not have licencing for this handset. It would add to the cost I guess.
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hulgo said:
If it has the hardware capability then it should definitely work. But the battery should be able to handle it too.
Xiaomi probably didn't enable it because they did not have licencing for this handset. It would add to the cost I guess.
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do you think through development we could unlock these features?
battery might not be to handle it? it gets pretty hot already when charging
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battery might not be to handle it? it gets pretty hot already when charging
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What charger are you using ? I haven't used official charger I am using my Samsung charger which is just a standard 2.0A charger from my Note 3 or something. Phone doesn't warm up even a little bit. In fact I haven't felt this phone warm up ever, even after 30 mins of GPS use or charging. Unusual !
Some developers have already been testing quick charge and apparently it is working. Of course, no one knows what effects it could have mid and long term. I believe it was in on of the cyanogenmod rom threads.
>1080p external display support
Since the RN3 does not support an external display officially but the 650 does, I was wondering if this could be enabled by software like quick charge or does it need some special hardware connection like nfc? Anyone knows? Would love to be able to connect the RN3 to an external display.
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What charger are you using ? I haven't used official charger I am using my Samsung charger which is just a standard 2.0A charger from my Note 3 or something. Phone doesn't warm up even a little bit. In fact I haven't felt this phone warm up ever, even after 30 mins of GPS use or charging. Unusual !
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Can confirm that it does not get hot at all while charging, using the original 2A charger that came with the device.
I use a simple trick to counter the charging heat, remove back cover if u use any, put ur mobile on slightly damp cloth while charging. That's it.
Fast charging works on my device 1 hr to full charge
hmmm
Then ,sir, tell us how u do that ??
AFAIK, to have full support for Quick Charge 2.0/3.0 on any Snapdragon device, in this case for Redmi Note 3
- The Hardware (SoC) should be compatible for QC. (Present)
- The OEM should pay the licensing fee for QC to Qualcomm. Around 5$ per device for QC 2.0 (Absent)
- The Kernel should have QC enabled. (Absent)
- The Power Management Integrated Circuit (PMIC) should be capable of handling QC. (Not sure)
- The Battery should be capable of rapid charging via QC. (Not Sure)
sushil888 said:
Then ,sir, tell us how u do that ??
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I made my own custom kernel.. Think that's the reason why xiaomi allows unlocking the device.. So the we can enable this feature and they can save a few bux .. Also fixed the network issue
filthyrich77 said:
I made my own custom kernel.. Think that's the reason why xiaomi allows unlocking the device.. So the we can enable this feature and they can save a few bux .. Also fixed the network issue
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Could you share with us that? Is there a link to the cyanogenmod discussing qc2/3 with this phone?
filthyrich77 said:
I made my own custom kernel.. Think that's the reason why xiaomi allows unlocking the device.. So the we can enable this feature and they can save a few bux .. Also fixed the network issue
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Do you know if external display support, be it MHL or SlimPort, could be enabled the same way or needs extra hardware so it is not possible?
its fake claim of custom kernel creator here...............1 hr for 4050 mah is impossible, as per the Qualcomm list of supported device RN3 supports QC 2.0, May be users and forums plague with heating issue on its launch,so they blocked at kernel level and also to save costs on Qc2.0 Supported charger, please stop bluffing as jackXXx,. even if he is skilled to code, 1hr is impossible. mi5 takes 1 hour + with 3000mah battery. qc1.0 qc2.0 qc3.0 times will be 2h 50mts, 2 hrs 10mts, 1hr 35mts. thnks to thread creator for finding it listed in qualcomm page.
Surprised to read this, can u share that kernel?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/development/sony-secret-revealed-qc-2-0-t3163490
I saw that a while ago so thought it might be possible.
Athiril said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/development/sony-secret-revealed-qc-2-0-t3163490
I saw that a while ago so thought it might be possible.
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Interesting info
Hi guys, recently LG replaced main board for me ( after hale of the screen was blinking and behaving strange while other half working normal.... ,after replacement i have notice that camera was bit laggy na overall performance wasn't the same , so i have installed CPU-Z to see some info .. check my screenshot please... Regarding all the information's LG V10 should be :
Hexa-core (4x1.4 GHz Cortex-A53 & 2x1.8 GHz Cortex-A57)
my one is 4 x 1.8 GHz and 2 x 1.4 GHz
is this LG WAY to prevent boot loops etc ?
sonic_boom said:
Hi guys, recently LG replaced main board for me ( after hale of the screen was blinking and behaving strange while other half working normal.... ,after replacement i have notice that camera was bit laggy na overall performance wasn't the same , so i have installed CPU-Z to see some info .. check my screenshot please... Regarding all the information's LG V10 should be :
Hexa-core (4x1.4 GHz Cortex-A53 & 2x1.8 GHz Cortex-A57)
my one is 4 x 1.8 GHz and 2 x 1.4 GHz
is this LG WAY to prevent boot loops etc ?
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They have disabled the 2 big cores.. this a good solution to never having your v10 boot loop while sacrificing some of the power.
Actually, I think you've just confused the frequencies of the A53 and A57 cores.
If you check the official info page thingy on the Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 you'll find that your specs are just as stated by Qualcomm themselves. Also, mine looks identical, and it's never been tampered with by LG or anyone.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/808
MY V10 died 2 days ago. GREEN SCREEN of death. Even with the latest main board manufactured in September 2017
**** LG no more LG for me
G4 rip
2nd G4 rip
My wife's G FLEX 2 rip
V10 rip
****en joke