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I've done lots of reading and still can't find a thread for this one.
I'm running Win7 Home Premium x64 and the latest version of the FlashTool (v0.2.4).
Everything works like a charm, except for the xRecovery Installation. That part freezes up.
And speaking of the xRecovery, the Install Fix only works for me sometimes on my X10.
On my X10 I'm running v2.1 Build v2.0.A.0.504. Basically when the install doesn't work, I end up uninstalling the SuperUser App (after giving ROOT permissions to xRecovery Installer), and then it installs just fine.
Only once was I able to get the xRecovery installer to work once (without uninstalling SuperUser App). And xRecovery wasn't even given ROOT permissions yet. It all happened on the fly, I'm guessing ... the way it was supposed to. Haven't found a way to reduplicate this yet.
So, anyone else find a fix for these issues?
P.S. I can accomplish what I want with my own methods, but I really like the easy X10FlashTool method the best :-D SOOOOO much faster.
install superuser & busybox from market.
and install xRecovery like a normal .apk with one of the file manager apps.
xRecovery
Ok, yah I was going with the version of BusyBox that came with either the 2.1 image or came with the FlashTool.
Just to be clear, I haven't actually had any problems installing the APK for xRecovery... which turns out was version 1.15 and the latest is 1.17 (hah oops, silly me). So much for being lazy and not re-downloading the BusyBox App. My bad for that. (Good thing I finally figured out how to get to my apps and back them up via Root Explorer!)
Just to be clear, I never had a problem actually installing the xRecovery APK. That works fine, it's just opening the xRecovery installer (after installing the APK) and then running it, i get the 3 red circles with a slash, instead of 3 green checks. Did you get that from my first post? Or did it sound like something else?
TheArkive said:
Ok, yah I was going with the version of BusyBox that came with either the 2.1 image or came with the FlashTool.
Just to be clear, I haven't actually had any problems installing the APK for xRecovery... which turns out was version 1.15 and the latest is 1.17 (hah oops, silly me). So much for being lazy and not re-downloading the BusyBox App. My bad for that. (Good thing I finally figured out how to get to my apps and back them up via Root Explorer!)
Just to be clear, I never had a problem actually installing the xRecovery APK. That works fine, it's just opening the xRecovery installer (after installing the APK) and then running it, i get the 3 red circles with a slash, instead of 3 green checks. Did you get that from my first post? Or did it sound like something else?
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Just use busybox from market and problem solved
if you're installed busybox from somewhere else, that's the problem.
install updated busybox from market.
and problem solved.
you should get green arows.
reboot, tap back button few times and you're good to go.
Alright
Thanks guys! That definitely makes sense.
Hi,
I have a problem with upgrading and wondered if anyone could help, please. I have searched the forum and couldn't find an exact answer to my problem.
In November my wife broke the usb on her X10i and hasn't been able to upgrade to 2.1 because of Sony's lack of OTA updates.
Is it possible to root and flash 2.1 on the X10i using the SDcard only instead of connecting the phone to the PC through usb?
What is the best way to root and the best 2.1 rom to use when flashing a pay monthly O2 X10?
Thanks for any help in advance.
The model is an X10i
Firmware 1.6 (obviously)
baseband 1.0.16
Kernel 1.6.29
Build R1FA016
1. Search & download Z4 root to your sd card (use google, can't miss it)
2. Download BUSYBOX from the market
3. Follow the instructions on this link to install XRECOVERY:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859571
After these your phone should be ready to be flashed, it's just a matter of what you want to flash it to.
Hope these help.
Thank you, I'll try your suggestions.
A standard 2.1 rom that works on an O2 x10i is fine to flash to, doesn't have to be customised or fancy. Any suggestions on the best and most stable rom to go for?
Cheers.
I think you will be fine with the Generic 2.0.2.A.0.24 build. (Thought I had the link to the zip file but I must have deleted it, I used the flashtool exclusively for 2.1 and I used xrecovery when I started to use froyo.) I've only had my x10 for a little over 2 months, flashed it to 2.1 after a few days of getting it then I switched to 2.2 betas since the new year but I was happy with that 2.1 version the short time I had it.
Thank you very much
A couple more annoying newbie question though.
I rooted the phone but couldnt install busybox from the market, does Z4 root install it when it roots the phone?
I can't move the three xrecovery files from my sdcard into the system/bin folder on the phone. Do I need to install Root Explorer from the Market to access and write the 3 files onto the phone system folder?
Thanks.
scribbling001 said:
Thank you very much
A couple more annoying newbie question though.
I rooted the phone but couldnt install busybox from the market, does Z4 root install it when it roots the phone?
I can't move the three xrecovery files from my sdcard into the system/bin folder on the phone. Do I need to install Root Explorer from the Market to access and write the 3 files onto the phone system folder?
Thanks.
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No problem I have a few things I still need to learn myself so no worries.
First, when you run z4 root does it say that its rooted?
Did you get an error when installing busybox or are you saying you can't find it in the market?
No, z4 doesn't install busybox.
Yes, you'll need to install root explorer before you can push any file to the system/bin folder/ on the phone.
Z4root worked, i chose permanant root, when I try to install busybox I get the message
Your Phone is rooted.
Busybox was not found.
The app failed either because your device is not nand unlocked or we were unable to remount.
I installed Titanium backup to check the phone is rooted and it says it could not require root priviliges either.
scribbling001 said:
Z4root worked, i chose permanant root, when I try to install busybox I get the message
Your Phone is rooted.
Busybox was not found.
The app failed either because your device is not nand unlocked or we were unable to remount.
I installed Titanium backup to check the phone is rooted and it says it could not require root priviliges either.
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Sounds like z4 root didn't work since 2 different apps does not see your phone as being rooted. Uninstall z4 then search and download for Universal Androot 1.6, that's the other root app I've used in the past.
Thanks.
Phone rooted, busybox and root explorer installed.
Xrecovery files moved.
Can't get into the xrecovery menu at startup
My rooted Orange San Francisco is looking like a good buy now. I'll give up on messing with the phone. Thanks for all your help and time, my wife gets a new phone in year and it will probably take me that long to get it working and for SE to release 2.2
scribbling001 said:
Thanks.
Phone rooted, busybox and root explorer installed.
Xrecovery files moved.
Can't get into the xrecovery menu at startup
My rooted Orange San Francisco is looking like a good buy now. I'll give up on messing with the phone. Thanks for all your help and time, my wife gets a new phone in year and it will probably take me that long to get it working and for SE to release 2.2
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hi there, dont give up now, you are getting so close!
you dont really need to use xrecovery menu at all. the idea for you would be the following:
1. root the 1.6 phone - done
2. install titanium backup/my backup pro and backup your data - done (i think)
3. download the 2.1 flashtool from the following thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683793 (choose the appropriate ROM - if unsure ask questions! i would recommend the latest X10a_2_1_A_0_435_GLOBAL)
4. run the flash tool and update phone to 2.1
5. reroot phone with z4root and reinstall backup software
6. recover all backups and you are now done!
i should clarify also.....the reason i have recommended you NOT to use the xRecovery menu is fairly simple. If you are not planning on constantly flashing new ROMs and booting into other ROMS, then its simply not necessary for you.
The benefits of xRec are that you can take a complete backup of your phone, flash it with something else and then recover the backup when you are done. Its a simple way to flash new roms quickly, but as i said, not really necessary for you.
Flashtool is very easy to use, all the instructions are provided on the screen, and it is done in 5 minutes also, there are lots and lots of tutorials posted around the place too.
good luck!
scribbling001 said:
Hi,
I have a problem with upgrading and wondered if anyone could help, please. I have searched the forum and couldn't find an exact answer to my problem.
In November my wife broke the usb on her X10i and hasn't been able to upgrade to 2.1 because of Sony's lack of OTA updates.
Is it possible to root and flash 2.1 on the X10i using the SDcard only instead of connecting the phone to the PC through usb?
What is the best way to root and the best 2.1 rom to use when flashing a pay monthly O2 X10?
Thanks for any help in advance.
The model is an X10i
Firmware 1.6 (obviously)
baseband 1.0.16
Kernel 1.6.29
Build R1FA016
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You are on point MRTIM, I can't argue with what you said. But like he mentioned on his first post, his wife broke the USB on the phone that's why he is doing it the long way.
@Scribbling Are you pressing the back button on the phone as soon as you see the white SE screen?
If you are still having trouble there is another way. One thing I failed to mention is the new version of xrecovery 0.3 is an actual APK file. That means you can just download it to your PC, transfer to your SD card, browse to the location on your phone then tap to install it. If you need a browser you can use ASTRO FILE MANAGER from the Market which is free.
PLEASE NOTE AND I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. If you are going to try and reinstall the xrecovery APK package, make sure to uninstall BUSYBOX then pull any xrecovery files that you already pushed to the phone prior to installing the v0.3 APK.
Let us know if you have any other questions. I agree with MRTIM, why stop now? You are almost there.
Thanks.
Broken Usb is the annoying bit
I'll try installing Xrecovery as an apk.
Ugh..... Xrecovery could not be installed to this device. I'll try Xrec 0.2 later, if I can find the will.
Hi all,
I have a mini pro/U20i running Eclair, specs as follows;
Firmware: 2.1-update1
Baseband: M76XX-TSNCJOLYM-53404006
Kernel: 2.6.29
Build no: 2.0.A.0.504
Rooted, xrecovery installed
I'm looking to upgrade to the latest stable android version available for my phone, but must admit the in-depth tech talk does go over my head a little when looking at the ROM threads. I have enough tech savvy to be able to flash etc, but not too great with the programming speak.
I'd like to ensure that bluetooth, wireless, root, gprs etc are all 100% working on the ROM I upgrade to. Not bothered about radio or anything you can get an alternative of from the market.
From what I've seen gingerbread is available but not yet 100% functional, and I know there are stable Froyo versions available however the requirements state the baseband as above, but ending in 53404015 is required.
Is there considerable risk flashing a ROM if my baseband is slightly different?
I'm particularly looking for stable multitouch too, but the thread I read says manual edit of .sh and .prop files must be done - and I don't know how to do this
Dev and user opinions would be muchly appreciated.
Hi you will need the newer baseband just update with seus then you will need to reroot and install xrecovery again then once you have done that go to this thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1059361 ) its the most stable I think and dual touch is included so no messing around
Hope this helps you
Sent from my U20i using XDA App
just use the flasher and baseband files from the baseband thread. much faster and easier than using seus and rooting again. just put the rom you want on with xrec, pull the battery out, flash, and youre done! shouldnt take more than 10 minutes once you know what youre doing!
For me, using SEUS is safer, even if I have to root and install xRecovery again.
I you want the most stable ROM with all functions working, you have to choose CM6-MiniCM hybrid noOC from Slade.
I'm using that ROM since he released it and never had a reboot, and everything is working.
If you have stock rom, you should format SD card.
Temes
temes said:
For me, using SEUS is safer, even if I have to root and install xRecovery again.
I you want the most stable ROM with all functions working, you have to choose CM6-MiniCM hybrid noOC from Slade.
I'm using that ROM since he released it and never had a reboot, and everything is working.
If you have stock rom, you should format SD card.
Temes
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yeah using SEUS is better... and you can reflash after you update using it....
after root and xrec, just make a backup on xrec so you can reflash to 2.1 back... and dont waste time on reflash+root+xrec again.... i did that save lots of time
ps: make sure full wipe+dalvic clear before restore backup... ^^
riesan said:
after root and xrec, just make a backup on xrec so you can reflash to 2.1 back... and dont waste time on reflash+root+xrec again.... i did that save lots of time
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Yeah, I did it too, but never needed that backup I flashed with SEUS last, when I first updated to slade's ROM
Temes
Cyanogen Froyo CM6-Latest (based on MiniCM/CM6v2) - v2.0 + DualTouch is the most stable ROM for me. Just flash using SEUS or flasher to get the required baseband.
I recommend using the flasher because it helps you understand the flashing process. Just follow the tutorial.
Thanks for all your help guys, that's helped me out no end
I am now the proud owner of an x10mp android 2.2.1 (went with Slade's ROM - big thumbs up, it's beautiful!!)
I have one final question.. when I installed the last ROM I had, I used flashtool, so doing it with xrec was a new experience for me... I did notice that before it installed the rom, it said 'formatting /system' or words to this effect.
I need to install the two hotfixes that are posted with the rom - the drain and browser ones... do I package the files within these zips into an update.zip and run again from xrec or can I transfer the updated system files just using root explorer? I'm worried that xrec will take the update.zip as a full rom and will delete the contents of my system folder - please reassure me this isn't the case and it will just update with newer files!
MANY thanks again for your help and advice!
kao_u20i said:
Thanks for all your help guys, that's helped me out no end
I am now the proud owner of an x10mp android 2.2.1 (went with Slade's ROM - big thumbs up, it's beautiful!!)
I have one final question.. when I installed the last ROM I had, I used flashtool, so doing it with xrec was a new experience for me... I did notice that before it installed the rom, it said 'formatting /system' or words to this effect.
I need to install the two hotfixes that are posted with the rom - the drain and browser ones... do I package the files within these zips into an update.zip and run again from xrec or can I transfer the updated system files just using root explorer? I'm worried that xrec will take the update.zip as a full rom and will delete the contents of my system folder - please reassure me this isn't the case and it will just update with newer files!
MANY thanks again for your help and advice!
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Just use each from xrec, it will replace some file but it won't format your system, only the big release file does that (100MB++).
hansip87 said:
Just use each from xrec, it will replace some file but it won't format your system, only the big release file does that (100MB++).
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It depends what formatted, deleted or owerwrited on update script. Don't worry, slade knows what he's doing
Anyway DON'T TRY TO FORMAT YOUR SYSTEM WITHOUT INSTALLING NEW ROM!!!
Just always follow install notes and everything will be fine.
Temes
Right then, an update (excuse the pun!)
I followed SEUS to get the xx 4015 baseband
I flashed Slade's noOC rom and then hotfixes using xrecovery
I now have a happy 2.2.1 android mini pro with multitouch!
At first, it was a little slow and I had a few blank screens and FCs....
Screen brightness was very low even when I was actively using the phone, so I unchecked the auto display option and set a brightness I'm happy with. Sorted!
With Titanium I restored my backups, including my wifi connections. Saves having to re-enter all the passwords right? Wrong!
I had a number of connection issues. Data was very slow, to slow to even register my google account on market. Wifi wouldn't load market or bring up anything in the browser...
When I did establish a fast enough data connection, market was completely out of sync with my phone apps.
Turns out the data connection just needed to 'warm up' along with the new android system. As for the wifi, I removed all my connections with the 'forget' option, and manually scanned and entered the passwords again. Now my wifi flies
So all in all, a very smooth upgrade process, a couple of hiccups with the data/wifi and brightness that have been ironed out, and now I am loving my new android again. The multitouch is very slick and having superuser, jit and xrec preinstalled is just brilliant! Games are lag free too which makes a big difference (yep, I'm an Angry Bird club member)
Think I've made my iphone user hubby a bit jealous. I like to remind him every now and then that apple have him by the balls, and he has to buy a whole new phone to do any update such as the one I've just done (again )
The battery drains a little quicker than on the previous rom, but I expect that will settle down after a few days. One thing I have noticed is that I'm repeatedly ending apps with ATK that I hadn't even opened - on my last rom I'd never see anything that I hadn't opened myself.
An example being, just opened ATK and I have the following running;
APN OnOff
Gmail
Maps
None of these I've opened since I last ran ATK Other repeat offenders are Browser, google search and camera,
Any ideas? WhatsApp used to open randomly until I moved it to the SD card. It's behaving itself now.
Don't need to use taskkillers in 2.2.1, android handles battery quite efficiently.
Battery increase is due to overclocking and because it's a custom rom.
Hope that helps.
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My battery life has stabilised now. Took phone off charge about 8.30 am and now, 1.30pm it's at 83%, so can't complain
I find apps such as maps and google voice/search do drain the memory quite a bit so still prefer to use atk. Just opened atk to find I have;
maps
handcent
apn OnOff
gmail
google voice
ROM manager (I've never opened this since installing the rom)
calendar
camera
all running and memory at 41M. Killed apps and memory now at 71M
Is there a way to stop these apps from randomly running? Apart from a calendar alert for today, I haven't manually opened anything from the list
cheers,
K
Sorry for ignorance:
Can I flash a rom and do all the nec. stuff from Ubuntu? Or will I need Window$ to flash a mini pro?
kao_u20i said:
My battery life has stabilised now. Took phone off charge about 8.30 am and now, 1.30pm it's at 83%, so can't complain
I find apps such as maps and google voice/search do drain the memory quite a bit so still prefer to use atk. Just opened atk to find I have;
maps
handcent
apn OnOff
gmail
google voice
ROM manager (I've never opened this since installing the rom)
calendar
camera
all running and memory at 41M. Killed apps and memory now at 71M
Is there a way to stop these apps from randomly running? Apart from a calendar alert for today, I haven't manually opened anything from the list
cheers,
K
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It's normal to have applications taking up memory. It is so that it will be speedy in opening those apps so try not to use a taskkiller. The only time these idle apps use battery is when there is CPU usage: so check with your spare parts. If they don't use CPU, no need to kill.
If you're insistent that the apps are frustratingly persistent, then freeze the app using titanium backup. Note that freezing certain system apps may cause problems eg freeze google talk and market won't work.
Try at your own risk.
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Can i get the link to ''CM6-MiniCM hybrid noOC'' Thanks
BusyBox by STEPHEN & JRummy16 {confirmed} nukes WiFi, Bluetooth & Cellular Data
I had what appears to be the latest update to BusyBox by STEPHEN (STERICSON) nuke my WiFi, Bluetooth, and cellular data.
I was able to restore to an earlier backup which restored functionality. Once I installed BusyBox by STEPHEN (STERICSON) and went into it and ran it's internal install/update the above was nuked again.
Is there a different BusyBox we can use?
I saw 1 other person with this same issue... Anyone else?
How do we confront STEPHEN with this and see if he knows and can fix it before we all nuke our ATRIX's
update... I just created a recovery of my fully working system, went into Play, got BusyBox by STEPHEN, opened it and installed it, restarted phone and guess what....
WiFi will not connect to anything, Bluetooth will not come on and Cellular Data does not work.
CONFIRMED [latest, June 15, 2012] BusyBox by STEPHEN (STERICON) and the one by JRummy16 kills ALL data connections!
Are you replacing/symlinking all applets to Busybox? Do this can have the issue that you mentioned.
Also, have you tried installing to xbin rather than /bin?
I downloaded, installed, open and let it finish scanning and then use the Install, no changes to location or clicking any boxes.
I've done it this way with every update I receive.
What changed?
Nothings changed, however there was a bug with version 8.0 of my application which caused everything to be symlinked to busybox. This caused issues, like your describing, on some devices. However this was fixed with version 8.1 and above. Unfortunately, In order to resolve the problem, you need to reflash your rom which will restore the system applets that should not have been replaced by the symlinks to busybox.
After getting everything working, you should be able to use Busybox as normal to upgrade busybox.
Nope.... Reflashed the ROM... add the latest BusyBox, run it and bang. Once I restart all 3 fail.
I've had to flash it 3 times with this and the last couple of times I just made a recovery image before trying it.
Are there any alternative applications of this that we could try on the ATRIX?
Can I ask a silly question? Why are you trying to update it if the version you know works is not messing with things? Kind of a "if it ain't broke" thing to me.
Does this happen with all version of Busybox provided by myself, or does it only happen with, let's say, 1.20.1?
Whatever the latest upgrade is, as far as I can tell 8.4 as listed in Play. I also tried it with the other BusyBox by JRunmmy16 with the same results.
I would load an older one and check, if I had the apk to load.
...to answer pre4speed's "silly question"... Updates are out there for a purpose, I should hope, and I take advantage of them when offered unless I know of an issue and then I wait for the next update that we hope resolves it.
I don't mean the version of the installer, rather the version of Busybox. Select an older version from the dropdown and see if that works.
OK... I reloaded your BusyBox and restarted. No issues.
I have not run any of the internal "Install"
Question, do I need to run the internal install process?
I will come back to this later, got activities to attend tonight.
Stephen... Thanks for the help with this, I know I am not the only ATRIX user with this issue.
C0rr0ded said:
...to answer pre4speed's "silly question"... Updates are out there for a purpose, I should hope, and I take advantage of them when offered unless I know of an issue and then I wait for the next update that we hope resolves it.
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I agree also with that. I am by no means saying you shouldn't try. And I guess by you testing the new version, you found a bug, reported it, and got a resolution. So Im truly sorry if I stepped on toes, I didn't think of that when asking. I do the same thing.
Lesson learned... pass it on.
... running good. Looks like as long as you do NOT open BusyBox and run its' internal install process everything stays working.
Lesson learned.
@pre4speed No sweat. I've "always" open utilities that I download and "ASS u ME" that you should be able to run whatever they offer inside them. My thinking is that if it is there run it... If it is a buried run command, I shy away until I find out more. As to BusyBox, all the prior installs I go into it and run the "Install" with no dire results. hence the thread...
Simply having the app installed does not upgrade Busybox, so you are accomplishing nothing by not running the install process.
This doesn't help fix the problem that you were/are having.
I don't know if it helps for debugging, but I've had the same problem today that the OP had. I'm on Nottachtrix 1.2.6.
Busybox installer showed up in my notification bar that an upgrade was available; I accepted it this morning (that is, I hit "Install" from within the Busybox installer app) and immediately my wifi, mobile data, and bluetooth were all dead. In addition, none of my root programs (Root Explorer, LBE Privacy, ROM toolbox, etc) would recognize that they had root access.
I then found this thread later this afternoon, and wiped/reflashed my rom which included the old Busybox version. That fixed the problem as you indicated. So far I have not re-installed Busybox installer; things are up and running with proper data access and all programs recognizing root, so I'm gonna hold here with everything running.
Are we talking about my installer, or Jrummy?
Also, Did you install 1.20.1 or an older one?
Could you test a new version if I provided it?
I will test it out... It does no good having an app that is "required" by other utilities if it nukes the phone.
Link me in a PM and I'll load it and tell you what happens.
Wish I'd have seen this thread before I tried to upgrade it.
Someone asked what the reason would be to upgrade BusyBox though. It can fix some Webtop2SD FC issues.
I'm currently with the same problem but on the Aura firmware. If i try to run any of the both apps to update my busybox it fails and leave it uninstalled.
I try the last version and a few older ones (1.19.4, 1.19, 1.18.4, 1.18, 1.14.3). Also i tried the Superuser updater to get the lastest su bin and it also fails when it tries to install busybox.
Right now on the JRummy16 installer it says:
Your device is rooted
Busybox Location: N/A
Busybox Version: N/A
System Storage: 39.78MB
Phone Model: MB860
ROM Version Aura 1.2.2.2
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webtop2sd force close using the default busybox that come with the last rom build, thats why i tried to change the version.
Same here, I've tried to repair webtop2sd, using both installers, with 1.20 & 1.20.1 (didn't testes older one) but then system is unable to do any su or even use shell; none of the wireless connections work. I'll try older one. I'm on nottachtrix 1.3 with wraithdu's 1.19.4 busybox in /bin
Tab+ got nuked today Having hard time finding right firmware now to fix this. Wish I just left it alone and didn't try to update.
Ok, so i allmostly never boot archos firmware from when i installed urukdroid (second time after a full tab format) and i just boot it from times to times to update and thats it, today i booted it up and saw i had Superuser in the apps list, so i opened it and i saw it had a binary installed, and i was like "what on earth?" so i played a bit more, installed market, updated su, couldnt update su binarry whit superuser app, so i installed SuperSU and that let me install its binary and replace the superuser one, and after i tryed installing some root apps, first was root explorer, and yah.......i saw i have no option to unmount system, so it allways stays r/w even if i mount "/" as r/o, thats really odd in my opinion, but whatsoever, after that i installed chainfire app and installed the chainfire driver and well......it worked, so my question in this moment is how on earth did i root my archos, the first thing that came into my mind was archangel, but i didnt have that app installed, lol, just stock apps and superuser, and also archanger as far as i know didnt let u update your archos after rooting, or isnt that so?
Anyway the only theory that makes some logic in my mind is this: i had firmware 2.0.71 (or what the the version required for archangel was), then i installed archangel and permarooted, then i have no ideea why but i uninstalled archangel and left only superuser, and that allready sounds stupid to me, and i have also no ideea how i had no error when doing ota update, cause i read again and again on the archangel thread and for some it gave update package incorrect or something like that, now i really wonder if there is a way to root the archos whitout sde by installing the required firmware version for archangel, permarooting whit archangel and updating, i think itd help people who are new to this tab if we would test and say if it is so, cause to say the truth even i kept the archos unrooted for a while till i got really angry at not haveing root cause i was afraid of loosing warranty...............also sorry if such a thing has been posted, but i searched, and except the archangel post i cant find anything about rooting the stock fw, and im just courious cause i read archangel wont work on newer firmware...........so back to my question: how did i get root in the latest stock firmware version on my archos?