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does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
From your questions, you really shouldn't be doing anything with your phone before reading the wiki on this and taking some time to read the forums a bit closer.
i didnt ask that...if u cant answer my question just say so,,,thanks for trying
TaurusBullba wasnt being mean. TaurusBullba was pointing out a few honest truths.
Hypothetically speaking, if someone doesnt know what shelltool does, despite their being a thread with almost 300 posts on using the shelltool then they are obviously not ready to flash anything yet. Furthermore if someone doesnt know which devices the shelltool is designed for then they have again demonstrated that they are not ready to flash their expensive device.
Do as TaurusBullba said and be thankful someone took the time to answer your question in a civil manner.
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does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
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Just CID unlock your G3, you dont need shell tools for that.
i dont want to cid unlock it..and i cant...hence the reason im using shell tools...i have read the thread before but was looking for clarification...sorry for asking...and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions...and again i say...i cant cid unlock my device...does it take off everything that is on the rom?...or what...and if i want to just install the rom the regular way do i have to cid unlock?...( i have a g3 now) or do i shelltool it...lets say im going to use farias real thing...to get everything on the rom do i install it regularly...or shelltool it?
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CID unlock your phone and install the normal way. There isnt much point using shelltools with a G3 when you can just unlock it.
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and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions__________________
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The reason some threads are 300+ posts long is because so many topics are covered, so many questions are answered. By reading all the posts in the thread you might find your question is already answered, conversely by not reading all the pages you might miss something very important. For example imagine if someone didnt read the shelltool thread and missed the discussion about the virus version of shelltool, what kind of trouble would they be in then?
so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
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so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
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Just the kind of attitude that leads to you not knowing what shelltools does.
i think asking him to read 300 plus pages of anything is asking too much. And he is right that we all can post threads for a reason. But still most of the info he is seeking can easily be answered by reading the first page of the original shelltools thread.
personally i hate when people say "just unlock it" because people like me who can't void the warranty can't unlock it (i have a g3, but used shelltools to try and keep the warranty) This guy has read enough to know that it doesnt cid unlock your device.
to answer his original question, im pretty sure it just flashes the os and ipl and spl or anything (thats what happened with mine) Ive used nottosmarts and xplore with no problems with it. I say just try it and see if you get the full effect.
I see the users frustration with questions such as this, but this is a forum thats known for the way it is always willing to help a new user out. All we ask is the new user just does some research and not be baby fed.
And killacam even if there is a hint of attitude, they just dont want you to brick your phone, so take take it too much to heart
The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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are you talking to me? Why should i be happy with the packaged OS? Why can't i use a workaround that was developed from someone in these forums? In fact, i dont see a reason why anyone wouldn't use shelltools because of the fact that it saves the warranty.
Oh and a lot of programs can brick your phones, even the basic rom update if it's used in the wrong manner. And i don't like the way you went about this post; next time you need help maybe you shouldn't ask it, because that's apparently what you would like everyone else to do. I agree that he shouldnt have looked more at the shelltools thread, but to make a statement about me doesn't make sense.
It's never asking too much of a person to do things if he really wants to do it. Anyway, he doesn't have to read through the whole 300 pages as not every page has the information he needs, just browse through it mate and look for your magic keyword "G3"...
It was worth the 300 pages though, believe me, if I didn't I woundn't be using Core2.0 right now..
i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
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i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
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no, upgrading the OS through shelltools will not void the warranty. (that is if you change it back before you send it in for repair )
i agree with pretty much everything you said, and that's one thing people need to learn, is that if you read a little bit, things will just absorb and you will then gain some knowledge. these are expensive little machines to be messing around on lol.
The Real Thing won't work on it
You can try, but Faria's Real Thing won't work on a G3 CID-locked device using ShellTool. I tried already. What I did was just CID-Unlocked my G3 a few days ago. If you need to send it in for repairs, you can always lock it back up using the CID-unlocking software called Lokiwiz. Then you can just use the RUU to flash the image
After being part of the problem in cluttering up the Rooting threads, I figured that many people don't know where to ask questions.
GENERAL INFO:
Please direct all information-related inquiries to this thread for discussion.
The purpose of the current development thread is for developers to share information, the rest of us can discuss here.
For those that are unaware, "Rooting essentially gives you total control over the OS. You can add/remove programs/files from the device that are locked, flash custom roms, recovery images, themes, backup installed apps and lots of other things.
**EDIT**
Apologies on not updating the thread, as stated earlier...if anyone wants to edit this top post, just send me a PM and i'll amalgamate and post up.
FAQ:
What is ROOT?:
Rooting essentially gives you total control over the OS. You can add/remove programs/files from the device that are locked, flash custom roms, recovery images, themes, backup installed apps and lots of other things. (As Stated Above)
How do we get ROOT for the X10?:
There are alot of developers working on cracking the X10; Sony put a lot of work into locking the X10 down.
There are many ways to root your X10 now, and including several one-touch apps that will root for you.
Does ROOTING unlock my X10?:
No it does not.
I have an X10a (or X10i), can I use the X10i (X10a) method to ROOT?
Short Answer is no; the files are different. Don't be so lazy and follow instructions.
The ROOT didn't work, what can I do?
Here's the thing, if it's bricked/non-working...search the forums, chances are there's someone out there that has done what you've done and the issue may already be solved. ONLY POST A NEW TOPIC IF THERE IS ZERO INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR SITUATION.
When looking for info; here is a good place to start:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711969
Can I put newer versions of Android on my X10 after ROOT?
You sure can, but unless you know how to cook the rom yourself...you'll just have to wait like the rest of us. Keep your eyes peeled and wait for the good stuff to start popping up.
Thnx for the summary very much appreciated
Thanks for the update. Definitely making progress.
Flashing via SETool does require additional software and file.
I have try as jerpelea point out what to do but still no success.
Also mobilezonerm and ceyad get the same error flashing root boot.sin
Processing ACPU files
PROCESSING: boot.sin
FATAL ERROR "HASH_VER (Block_verification_failed)" IN "MEMORY_CLASS"
error while uploading DATA block
Break.
Elapsed: 17 secs.
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We need SETool box (HW) + SEtool1.06 (SW) and alternate baypass file for X10
Only missing piece is the alternat bypass file so we can flash unsigned image to X10
I'm on a quest for it but still no luck
lets hope lollylost can come up with something
thanks a lot... for opening this thread...
we non developers / noobs can discuss stuffs regarding rooting here instead of messing up with the development thread...
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Fingers crossed it will work!
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Good job to the developers here at XDA... Now I'm crossing my fingers for a 2.1 Custom Rom with all the moxier stuff taken out as well as Timescape..
what and all can we expect from rooting ... pros and cons...
heard nexus got multi touch after rooting ...
is our x10 hardware capable of multitouch ?
anyway in general what can we expect ... features... you know while they are at work , we can dream of great stuffs to hit x10 ....
X10 cannot do multitouch, the hardware is incapable.
The main advantage root should give us is to be able to load custom ROMs onto the device, to get Android 2.1 now and 2.2 when it comes out.
CompactDstrxion said:
X10 cannot do multitouch, the hardware is incapable.
The main advantage root should give us is to be able to load custom ROMs onto the device, to get Android 2.1 now and 2.2 when it comes out.
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even without true multitasking i would expect at least pinch to zoom. i have a feeling phone suffers from the same problem as nexus one, g1 and the sapphire. it can not distinguish the two sets of coordinates. it might associate thumb1's x to thumb2's y and visa versa. this does not allow it true multitouch but pinch to zoom would work since the motion is away from each other.
funfobia said:
Flashing via SETool does require additional software and file.
I have try as jerpelea point out what to do but still no success.
Also mobilezonerm and ceyad get the same error flashing root boot.sin
We need SETool box (HW) + SEtool1.06 (SW) and alternate baypass file for X10
Only missing piece is the alternat bypass file so we can flash unsigned image to X10
I'm on a quest for it but still no luck
lets hope lollylost can come up with something
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I also have an SETool box and would be willing to do processes over the network as I already do this with many phones anyway. JUst add me to your msn
krazyd007 said:
I also have an SETool box and would be willing to do processes over the network as I already do this with many phones anyway. JUst add me to your msn at [email protected]
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Nice one lads
krazyd007 said:
I also have an SETool box and would be willing to do processes over the network as I already do this with many phones anyway. JUst add me to your msn at [email protected]
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Thanks , I've added you
Hey,
Got a couple of questions I'm hoping one of you can help with.
Got an X10 obviously and access to EMMAIII. What I can do is flash the X10 with a very early release of firmware which has root access.
My question really is are there any custom ROMs available?
se_primus said:
Hey,
Got a couple of questions I'm hoping one of you can help with.
Got an X10 obviously and access to EMMAIII. What I can do is flash the X10 with a very early release of firmware which has root access.
My question really is are there any custom ROMs available?
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The only one is the one jerpelea made, which is still based on the stock 1.6 rom, but is rooted and has some apps removed. It's on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681886
When everyone has root access, developers will probably start trying to create a 2.1 or 2.2 rom if we have to wait untill after froyo is released. We could do this by looking at nexus one roms, and taking drivers from it - although the camera is different etc.
I've stickied this thread. Hopefully it will help users see it to stop cluttering of this forum
se_primus said:
Hey,
Got a couple of questions I'm hoping one of you can help with.
Got an X10 obviously and access to EMMAIII. What I can do is flash the X10 with a very early release of firmware which has root access.
My question really is are there any custom ROMs available?
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Wait a minute... With SEUS, we could downgrade our firmware, so if you upload your early release, we could maybe all have root access ?
It's just an idea...
chandyperry said:
Wait a minute... With SEUS, we could downgrade our firmware, so if you upload your early release, we could maybe all have root access ?
It's just an idea...
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You can't.
SEUS will flash only signed files.
Latest info: Unsigned flash in X10 protected by rsa 2048 algo.
Jerpelea seems to be lying about root.
link: http://support.setool.net/showthread.php?2117-x10-flash-boot.sin
Also from my topic the laser said
ransack semc factory in china.
bribe semc security engineer.
find a way to calculate rsa 2048 private key in appropriate time with appropriate efforts.
....
to be short - dream on.
Suggested Thread Idea(Sorry if in wrong section), if devs do not want this, could a mod please delete this? Thanks!
This thread is meant to relieve the load on devs and provide a source of ideas for them. No offense to devs, I'm not insulting your capabilities. Besides, I hardly know any programming.
Anyway, I'm thinking of collecting suggestions from the many people who make up this X10 mini developing community. I'm sure all of us would want to help as this benefits everyone. Also, some of us here have knowledge of Linux Kernel programming(although not in android) and could help. No questions are to be posted.
Here is an example of the format needed -
Kernel Unlocking - Fool the bootloader! <- This is the title.
Concept: Instead of trying to deactivate or skip the locked bootloader, is it possible to actually fool the bootloader into thinking the one you are trying to load is legitimate? Perhaps by imitating the properties of the kernel that the bootloader looks for, we could load a custom kernel onto the phone.
So, a question to devs - would you rather want or not want this? Thanks!
check this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11374943&postcount=616
detailed info about S1 platform security
Oh, I see. Nevermind, thanks a lot!
If you want to unlock bootloaders without losing drm data then follow this step by step guide
http://androidflip.com/unlock-xperia-phones-bootloader-without-losing-drm-data-track-id-working/
Stop trying to steal other ppl's thunder by making a new thread of stuff that already exists on dev section dude...
If you want to help just add the link on the already long thread. Making another thread is useless
This is confusing... Why are u posting it here where u stole it from
how many people have tested this method?
I unlocked my bootloader with the test point method. Just works, unlocked and all working, track id also
mine is a st15i now, before unlock and change the things st15a
Root vs unlock bootloader - Really Good Discussion
In a wild search on Google I found this interesting Forum Discussion on ROOT and Unlocked Bootloader.
Noobs like me D) should read it to make some basics clear.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2058660
Thanks a lot for reading this post.
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general knowledge thread on xda
I have an Asus Infinity tablet. I rooted as soon as I could, but kept it locked fur a while because of warranty issues. Finally, I bit the bullet and unlocked because I wanted to play with ROM's. I haven't had any problems, and I'll unlock my p769 as soon as available to.
R: ROOT vs UNLOCK BOOTLOADER - Really Good Discussion
Is it possible to unlock bl in new jb rom?
denzel09 said:
Is it possible to unlock bl in new jb rom?
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If it is we can figure out a way to unlock p769s boot loader without update although I'm hoping we will get an update soon.