Well I have tried several times with different kernels from different people, and none of the kernels that allow for overclocking seem to run. I dont know if its an issue with the roms not being compatible with the kernel. I am also running the RED clockwork recovery. I would just like some help to possibly get a kernel that allows overclocking to actually work.
Well the overclocking kernels are all for eclair android. There are no overclocking kernels for froyo roms and eclair kernels will not work with froyo roms.
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tbh, overclock is overrated anyway....give me underclocked, optimized kernels, and im happy
I figured it had to do with the roms, are there any decent eclair roms available?
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I figured it had to do with the roms, are there any decent eclair roms available?
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stick with froyo, eclair is old
Overclocking will give you big numbers you can show off to all your friends, but does very little in terms of improving real-world performance.
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Overclocking will give you big numbers you can show off to all your friends, but does very little in terms of improving real-world performance.
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While I largely agree, I will say it depends on your hardware. With this phone, overclocking will do little good, as the hardware has more than enough power for most anything already. On the Eris though, overclocking from the factory stock 528MHz to 710MHz made quite a significant and very noticeable boost in performance. That, however, was because the CPU was underpowered and struggled to do the most basic tasks, obviously any speed boost would be noticeable. That's not the case on the Fascinate.
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ok thanks for the info....came from the eris so I figured that overclocking would make a slight noticeable difference.
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I know for the droid there are lots of custom kernels that use very low voltages for high speeds. Do we have custom kernels like this?
The processor in our phone is that of the original 2g/3g iPhone, the 528mhz Qualcomm (that should have been updated 3 years ago).
The processor in the Droid is the same as the iPhone 3gs (except 550mhz clocked instead of 600mhz).
The Droid processor has a floating point co-processor (sort of) which is why the Linpack scores are WAY higher than ours (it doesn't actually mean the phone is faster, it just does certain floating point operations faster).
The Droid processor is also SEVERELY underclocked, probably for power reasons. There is more of a demand in the Droid crowd to control power usage while still increasing speed (hence the low-voltage kernels, etc). "Lower voltages" are found by using different ways to multiply the frequency, but in a processor like ours, we are limited in the different speeds we can multiply (not to mention a ceiling of reasonable operation being usually 800mhz or below).
See, some people want their droids to be at 800mhz. They want that great battery life, to keep things cool, and a small performance boost.
Some want to go up to 1300mhz, maybe because they play games, or because the think they're cool, or whatever. That requires different methods for overclocking (depending on which exact speeds) and uses a lot more juice. You could use a 1300mhz kernel and keep it down around 800mhz (or whatever specific speeds the kernel allows), but that kernel might not be built for low voltage - you might just be still multiplying a number that keeps your voltage high, instead of the 800mhz Kernel that only goes so high, but keeps things easier on the battery.
Our Eris processors are more limited. Pretty much, you want your Eris OC'd (usually to the 700+mhz somewhere is all you get), or you don't. If you don't want it OC'd, you just don't install SetCPU. If you do, you install and use it (or whatever other overclocking app/widget you want).
To use your Eris low voltage, you pretty much need to stay 480mhz or lower. I keep my sleep SetCPU Profile at 122mhz-480mhz. VERY good on battery, and it throttles up to 480mhz (so the phone rings faster) when it's time for a call to come in.
Some Kernels have some things enabled (netfilter for wifi tethering and other things, a2sd enabled, overclocking, etc - depending on how it's put together). It's probably best to have a kernel that allows everything, since with our processors, there's not much of a power drain penalty (none that I know of in fact) for having a different kernel, and just running at 528mhz. I notice no battery difference at 806mhz in fact, it's a matter of having SetCPU profiles (or whatever) set up correctly and effectively.
Here are a few Kernels you might find (but most are incorporated in ROMs already, so you'll virtually NEVER have to flash it - except that I use Ivan's Eris_Official 1.0 ROM with zanfur's beautiful v3 kernel - it works perfectly at 806mhz on my Eris).
AOSP kernel with all the goodies:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688275&highlight=kernel
Zanfur's kernel (my favorite):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679102&highlight=kernel
Kaos posted this one for AOSP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688439&highlight=kernel
Darchstar posted this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686797&highlight=kernel
The point is that for us, it's not that useful to flash kernels. Most of the ROMs you'll download (even the most 'basic' ones) have all the goodies enabled on the Kernel.
Different phone, different hardware, different ballgame.
God damn. Best answer I could have hoped for. Seriously thanks a ton man, that was everything I could have wanted to know thoroughly explained.
nvm. answered my own question hah
I'm on Conap's new CFS Kernel. I multitask a lot so that's the kernel for me. Everything feels more responsive. Like 1.5x the responsiveness from the (I think) BFS kernel nonsensikal comes with. I typed all of this without even a hint of lag.
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Yeah I've learned a lot since I made this topic a few months ago lol
I'm on V4 cfs
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I'm on Conap's new CFS Kernel. I multitask a lot so that's the kernel for me. Everything feels more responsive. Like 1.5x the responsiveness from the (I think) BFS kernel nonsensikal comes with. I typed all of this without even a hint of lag.
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Which keyboard did you use?
I'm using Kaos's DroidX keyboard - Froyo port.
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After last weeks DX farce with 2Ghz and 3Ghz Im cautious however these guys seem to have the benchies to back it up. We've long heard the potential for the hummingbird was 1.6. Only sad part is they say no Fascinate development till they get one. Removing the 56fps cap is nice too
I've never heard of these guys before? Legit? Renowned? Anyone know.
I would say all is BS until proven other wise. In my opinion the hardware would burn up at those speeds.
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I would say all is BS until proven other wise. In my opinion the hardware would burn up at those speeds.
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While not safe, I seriously doubt it would burn up.
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While not safe, I seriously doubt it would burn up.
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Agreed. 1.6 has long been discussed as an achieveable speed. Dirrk was tinkering with it weeks ago. Its voltage requirement obviously is high and near the threshold point given the non-active cooling for the cpu. But I would not be surprised this could be achieved. I mean shoot we have 1.25Ghz on less than stock voltage already.
Benchmarks in one hand, stability in the other. When I see a posted kernel with good reviews for a week or so, I'll do more than raise an eyebrow. lol.
It's on the OCLF kernel, which if I remember, is well known for posting high quadrant scores without giving any real performance benefit.
Also, benchmark overclock's in the desktop world are always just for demonstration, not an application. Ever seen that 7GHz overclock benchmark they did on a Pentium 4?
This is no BS. The devs working on this are reputable and put out some of the best Vibrant ROMs out there. They're stable at 1.6ghz and are talking about pushing it to 1.8/2.0.
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This is no BS. The devs working on this are reputable and put out some of the best Vibrant ROMs out there. They're stable at 1.6ghz and are talking about pushing it to 1.8/2.0.
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This doesn't suprise me. I could push my Droid to 1.32ghz. That's well over a 100% overclock. Achieving a 60% overclock shouldn't be too hard, especially on newer and much better hardware.
I find it tough to believe that most phones will be stable at a 60% overclock. Granted, Im only speaking from my experience with desktop CPUs... What type of software do people run to test stability?
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This is no BS. The devs working on this are reputable and put out some of the best Vibrant ROMs out there. They're stable at 1.6ghz and are talking about pushing it to 1.8/2.0.
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Thats encouraging
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I find it tough to believe that most phones will be stable at a 60% overclock. Granted, Im only speaking from my experience with desktop CPUs... What type of software do people run to test stability?
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What has been your experience with desktop cpu's. I cannot remember the last desktop cpu I have which at least 50% so I dont find 60% outrageously unreasonable. Active cooling obviously makes a difference.
With the battery life Im seeing on Dirrks UV kernels and even what I got on stock voltages pre-OC I would feel confident I could still get a full day off a 1.4-1.5Ghz hummingbird even if the voltage had to be raised to 1400mv.
I'm having trouble with stability with the 1.2 OC kernals...
So I checked out the thread in the vibrant section. This is def for real! Looks awesome! I had trouble with dirrks lv 1200. But every other kernel has ran fine. I'm sure that eventually we'll have everything we can dream on this phone. Good thing its already so great that I don't mind waiting. I hope I don't have to find an excuse to exchange my phone in search of one that can handle more.
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After last weeks DX farce with 2Ghz and 3Ghz Im cautious however these guys seem to have the benchies to back it up. We've long heard the potential for the hummingbird was 1.6. Only sad part is they say no Fascinate development till they get one. Removing the 56fps cap is nice too
I've never heard of these guys before? Legit? Renowned? Anyone know.
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@teamwhiskey is a god send. they have pulled the download though,due to flaws in their kernal. they are in the process of re-vamping it and re-testing. it seems while the kernal did improve performance it is unknown how much because it was also manipulating the internal clock speed.
def legit.
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@teamwhiskey is a god send. they have pulled the download though,due to flaws in their kernal. they are in the process of re-vamping it and re-testing. it seems while the kernal did improve performance it is unknown how much because it was also manipulating the internal clock speed.
def legit.
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That sounds like what Dirrk ran into at 1.6 as well
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That sounds like what Dirrk ran into at 1.6 as well
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Yea its going to be a pain to get that kink worked out. But from what ive heard theyre making headway. Now if only I could get a.perm root for the g2 lol.
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Yes this is for real. I personally run it. Heres quadrant I ran last night. This kernel should be ported to all SGS phones. As long as they get a good dev with this phone to help port.
CPU didnt see near the gain I had hoped it would.
ya the CPU is getting destroyed by the N1. And what is with the ridiculous I/O. Did someone port a PCI express array of SSD's on the Vibrant? Maybe they just developed the GOD file system.
I make jokes, but I want the screen of my Fascinate to say 3439 also haha
I am on a mesmerize niw coming from a vibrant. I used this kernel. There was a timing issue. The io scores come from oclf which cheats quadrant. Those guys have released a pretty stable 1.4 oc that is real. I got 68 fps in neocore. Truth be told guys there is no need for oc in my opinion. With froyo the phone plays flash easily. Only application of oc to me is emulation and bragging rights. A good voodoo kernel works wonders honestly.
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wooow way to bring this one back from the dead
I'm liking flagship v4 and wondered if I could run, for instance, TW's 1.2ghz kernel without messing up my phone?
Thanks.
i guess you could but why theres better kernals that have less power drian an oc to 1.4ghz use the DoW14 kernel 1.1 its much much better an ya flags rom is nice but for performance an speed i would try out Bionix-v 1.2.1 unless ur dead set on flagship
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i guess you could but why theres better kernals that have less power drian an oc to 1.4ghz use the DoW14 kernel 1.1 its much much better an ya flags rom is nice but for performance an speed i would try out Bionix-v 1.2.1 unless ur dead set on flagship
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Thanks for the reply....been watching the voodoo sound kernels for some time...tried the dragon 3.2 a few weeks back and could not live with battery drain. Seems that this is still an issue for dow14, even without OC....I'm gonna wait a little longer.
i ran bionix 1.2.1 for a few days but found it not as stable as 1.2, in fact I've found that the TW roms have given me issues since nero v5, which was a perfect rom.
Gonna such with flagship for now...
I had the same experiance. I like flagship theming better too. I tried dow and dead horse on flagship and went with deadhorse OC. Better battery and seemed more stable...but thats just me.
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If by the TW 1.2ghz kernel you mean Core, then it will only work with Android 2.1 ROMs and not 2.2 ROMs.
EDT 2.2.1 + DOW1.4fow = awesome.
Dragon kernel 3.1.2 gave me best performance although i can only go up to 1280mhz
57FPS on neocore
weird thing is it's performance beats other dragon kernel versions even @ 1360mhz
48FPS only necore
have yet to try DOW kernels extensively ... tried it once for a short while but i experienced some instabilities and i guess i'm not familiar yet with setCPU
First off, this should have been asked (or searched) in the thread for the ROM, or kernel you're asking about. If you really had to make a new thread, this is absolutely the wrong section to post it in. It clutters the dev section, and gives the mods more unnecessary work. Theres a Q&A section for a reason. Not bashing, just for future reference.
That being said, Most of the recent 2.2 Vibrant kernels should work fine on most recent 2.2 ROMs. If you're worried, just make sure you have a flashable version of whatever kernel you're currently using on your internal SD to flash if anything goes wrong. That could save you from having to use Odin if anything were to happen.
Also, someone mentioned troubles with SetCPU. I personally prefer using init.d scrips to overclock. Most ROMs support them now. I don't need any extra apps/processes running, and it's always very smooth for me. That's just personal preference though.
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Hello everybody, I'm opening the thread just to read opinions from you all about the kernels that are currently available.
The one I've been using is void #echo, which in my humble opinion with the combination of a tweaked deadline scheduler and a lionheart governor provides great performance, battery life and minimum lag whatsoever.
I do understand that it depends on needs which shall be used, however, I would like to know which one to you guys works smoother and provides better performance / battery life.
I always aim for performance over battery life (I didn't buy a SGSII to get poor performance )
In terms of battery life, I can get it up to 22~23 hours on battery, using WCDMA only / HSPA+ during day and enabling airplane mode during night.
Fast Dormancy disabled and deep sleep working correctly (XXKL1).
I don't like the complexity of siyah and to be good on batt you have to tweak it more with UV and thing like that ,wish is not my style to make trying/errors on my brand new 600$phone !
I tried speed mod wish is very great actually with great overall perform
void echo is the one Im trying right now ! since 2 days its feel very strong and good on battery with good performance on games without getting the phone very hot
neak is good but its more a copy/past of the overall coders over wish is good in one sense but its a bit laggy in game with lucrative mod but defenatly one of my favorite kernel out there ! Im waiting for 1.3 to let simone correct some bugs
Siyah is the tweakers' heaven. You can fine tune every last bit of your phone.
I personally love void, it feels very fast and has good battery life.
I tried NEAK for a short time and it seemed fine but quite many report lag in games(using on demand governor seems to fix it though).
Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm waiting for N.E.A.K 1.3x too
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Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm waiting for N.E.A.K 1.3x too
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as one of the posts above said siyah is the tweakers heaven..haha trust me i never used it before as i thought it was to complicated. but once you have done your reading and read other peoples posts and what they do to get the best out of the kernel you have a winner...all the rest look good i am not saying anything bad but for me from now on any rom i use siyah is coming with me due to the fact it has so many options to it and so much i can play around with i am in heaven
hope that helps...oh and on a side note i have been tempted to upgrade to a different rom but the current base i am using and with the kernel i have and the settings that i am using the only time i will actually jump ship is if one there is a stable cm9 out there by the amazing team hacksung. Two if Gokhanmoral does a siyah kernel for cm9 which i think will be when kernel sources are made available and three cause i have already my voodoo app all configured with my poweramp player to get the best sound possible i would be foolish to make the step at this moment of time...
So my advice for battery speedmod if you are not into tweaking alot with voltages and clock frequencies and if you want the best of both worlds then siyah
siyah 2.6.4.
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as one of the posts above said siyah is the tweakers heaven..haha trust me i never used it before as i thought it was to complicated. but once you have done your reading and read other peoples posts and what they do to get the best out of the kernel you have a winner...all the rest look good i am not saying anything bad but for me from now on any rom i use siyah is coming with me due to the fact it has so many options to it and so much i can play around with i am in heaven
hope that helps...oh and on a side note i have been tempted to upgrade to a different rom but the current base i am using and with the kernel i have and the settings that i am using the only time i will actually jump ship is if one there is a stable cm9 out there by the amazing team hacksung. Two if Gokhanmoral does a siyah kernel for cm9 which i think will be when kernel sources are made available and three cause i have already my voodoo app all configured with my poweramp player to get the best sound possible i would be foolish to make the step at this moment of time...
So my advice for battery speedmod if you are not into tweaking alot with voltages and clock frequencies and if you want the best of both worlds then siyah
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Great feedback bro, I tried Siyah in the past but honestly when I used it I didn't know there were parameters to tweak (didn't check the REF documentation LOL).
Do you get smoother behavior / better performance / higher benchmark scores tweaking the parameters? In quadrant I get around 4604 with void.echo.
as my "personal" opinion...
since i instaled V3RTR3MA.V.4.0 rom, i've been using void#echo
couldn't ask for more its fast and stable... nothing too complicated and i could get 8186 in the quadrant benchmark... a really great kernel...
void echo.By far best kernel for common user,who doesn't want to do all kind of tweaks&stuff.By default is great.If you are into a litle tweaking, you can OC and UV without any issues.
I used it since it was released.No issues at all, battery friendly, great performance.
Trully a KISS principle follower.
My personal advice to all,avoid all roms&kernels that are heavily customized and have alot of useless "tweakes" and scripts on them.The more things on it, more chances of breaking up.
Look for simple builds,as close as it can be to stock,eye candy is not performance.
Jkay makes great themes wich you can apply to the rom.
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as my "personal" opinion...
since i instaled V3RTR3MA.V.4.0 rom, i've been using void#echo
couldn't ask for more its fast and stable... nothing too complicated and i could get 8186 in the quadrant benchmark... a really great kernel...
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WoW that sounds nice, if you turn off RAWR what's the score?
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Trully a KISS principle follower.
My personal advice to all,avoid all roms&kernels that are heavily customized and have alot of useless "tweakes" and scripts on them.The more things on it, more chances of breaking up.
100% agree most of the battery better and greater speed for these kernels is actually unproven and just advertising bumf .
I have used the kernels listed in the topic and in each case stock kernel has benchmarked better using multiple tests .
jje
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void echo.By far best kernel for common user,who doesn't want to do all kind of tweaks&stuff.By default is great.If you are into a litle tweaking, you can OC and UV without any issues.
I used it since it was released.No issues at all, battery friendly, great performance.
Trully a KISS principle follower.
My personal advice to all,avoid all roms&kernels that are heavily customized and have alot of useless "tweakes" and scripts on them.The more things on it, more chances of breaking up.
Look for simple builds,as close as it can be to stock,eye candy is not performance.
Jkay makes great themes wich you can apply to the rom.
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I agree with your opinion, and that's the reason why I use only Sammy Stock ROMs
I've flashed a number of roms and kernels in the past few months since May, best combination for me is usually a near stock rom, plus a stable kernel like Speedmod, they just work without needing any tweaking apart from custom set up that's it.
I don't generally like the number of tweaks in some roms but each to their own.
I find stock fine and fluid and stable enough without much problems.
Yeah..i get 6500+ without rawr and oc to 1600.you forget one thing,ALL other kernels have tweaked I/O scheduler enabled. Knzo says very clear in his thread.it's a way to cheat,that's why this tweak is not default on his kernel.
About rom,look for odexed.tornado2 by brotuck is one of the best around(odexed,pretty much stock,only useless apps removed from it).combined with jkay theme and coid echo...my s2 flies
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Yeah..i get 6500+ without rawr and oc to 1600.you forget one thing,ALL other kernels have tweaked I/O scheduler enabled. Knzo says very clear in his thread.it's a way to cheat,that's why this tweak is not default on his kernel.
About rom,look for odexed.tornado2 by brotuck is one of the best around(odexed,pretty much stock,only useless apps removed from it).combined with jkay theme and coid echo...my s2 flies
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Thanks for the suggestion dude! I'll take a look to it! Beside the removal of stock apps, what tweaks are included to achieve that score?
Best kernel so far for me is hardcore's speedmod.
Fast, first time I broke the 6000 barrier on Antutu benchmark without overclock. And great battery life, one full day + charging only by the end of day two, with normal use.
Normal use for me is making phone calls, surfing web and playing games sometimes, not more than 20min per "session". Turning wifi and 3g off when phone on standby. And switching to airplane mode overnight.
And yes I tried other kernels....
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Thanks for the suggestion dude! I'll take a look to it! Beside the removal of stock apps, what tweaks are included to achieve that score?
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None.i dont flash a rom for benchmark scores.i flash it for how it works.those benchmarks cand be tricked,but whats the point?what do you preffer?a rom&kernel with high results on tests,but moves like crap,laggy,fc's with high battery drain or a phone that is snappy,smooth,fast,great battery life and works properly?
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None.i dont flash a rom for benchmark scores.i flash it for how it works.those benchmarks cand be tricked,but whats the point?what do you preffer?a rom&kernel with high results on tests,but moves like crap,laggy,fc's with. high battery drain or a phone that is snappy,smooth,fast,great battery life and works properly?
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Don't get me wrong, I do prefer all that, I just wanted to know what things are changed in those roms to get that performance.
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I have been using void echo kernel these past few days. But I switched to Speedmode because of an issue. My phone gets very hot once I backup my nand on CWM. Also sometimes when I play games. Do you guys have this issue too?
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I have been using void echo kernel these past few days. But I switched to Speedmode because of an issue. My phone gets very hot once I backup my nand on CWM. Also sometimes when I play games. Do you guys have this issue too?
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= high CPU usage .
jje
Hello! i am in the process of overclocking my thunderbolt in order to get better performance with the eternity rom, and i was wondering what you guys oc your phones to? and if you do, what program/setting do you use to do so? (i plan to use a script in init after have found suitable settings)
I, personally, find it pointless to OC the Thunderbolt. The phone is fast and smooth enough for me on the stock speed, plus the battery life is bad enough without adding more strain to it.
However, if you insist on OC'ing, 1.2GHz is a safe bet. Some people can get to 1.4GHz, but then you run into freezing and random reboots. Also remember that individual phones handle overclocking differently. Where one phone can run perfect at 1.4GHz, another might freeze instantly when going that high.
Good OC'ing programs include SetCPU, No Frills CPU, and ROM Toolbox.
I don't overclock. That being said i have OC'd my phone b4 i have had it up to 1.8 Ghz stable, but it doesnt seem to make anything run faster. I use the Thundershed version of CM7 and its super fast. I dont think it could get much faster. and without overclocking i get better battery life.
thanks for the info actually ended up going with the lean kernel which is oc'd on the kernel level, works fairly well
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thanks for the info actually ended up going with the lean kernel which is oc'd on the kernel level, works fairly well
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Leankernel is tops. I use battsaver mode which is stock speed and undervolted. Smooth as butter on my phone.
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