Just wondering if SE lied to us that we cannot have real multitouch just so that we would buy their next generation phones or were they right? or does bootloader have nothing to do with this?
nope. i think there will not be mt. only dt. hardware dun support i think.
i think mt is possible...
why? who would build a high end device with no multitouch, that is so stupid dont you think?
multitouch on iphone release on 20 January 2009
And
The Xperia X10 was first revealed on November 3, 2009..
do you think big company like s.e would ****ed up and will not include MT?
do you remember this? http://xperia-x1.com/sony-style-website-claims-xperia-x10-has-multi-touch-display/
back then we have 1.6 offcourse it doesnt support MT niether DT.
they announced DT is possible on 2.1, right..... you know why only DT?
because arc is coming i think they dont want the arc to look like copycats of x10 with a little bit of hw upgrades...
i am not here to mislead you x10 fellow men.. if only we can use our LOGIC side..
its all about MARKETING STRATEGIES....
i am not calling s.e a liar, business is business right...
if only we have the right kernel i think it should work..
think before you bash me.
-- X10B -- said:
i think mt is possible...
why? who would build a high end device with no multitouch, that is so stupid dont you think?
multitouch on iphone release on 20 January 2009
And
The Xperia X10 was first revealed on November 3, 2009..
do you think big company like s.e would ****ed up and will not include MT?
do you remember this? http://xperia-x1.com/sony-style-website-claims-xperia-x10-has-multi-touch-display/
back then we have 1.6 offcourse it doesnt support MT niether DT.
they announced DT is possible on 2.1, right..... you know why only DT?
because arc is coming i think they dont want the arc to look like copycats of x10 with a little bit of hw upgrades...
i am not here to mislead you x10 fellow men.. if only we can use our LOGIC side..
its all about MARKETING STRATEGIES....
i am not calling s.e a liar, business is business right...
if only we have the right kernel i think it should work..
think before you bash me.
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nope. mostly no mt only dt. nth to do with kernel. its the hardware. in the devepment forum...even with custom kernel..the hardware still wont support it. correct me if im wrong...which i dun think so =) read from somewhere. =p
I'm looking for anyone who can actually say what's going on with x10. Does it really support MT or DT is what we'll get?
I'm happy with DT now but MT would be awesome.
NO MT, onlt dt
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Just wondering if SE lied to us that we cannot have real multitouch just so that we would buy their next generation phones or were they right? or does bootloader have nothing to do with this?
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The X10 is using the same touch screen as the Nexus 1 and the HTC desire.
Both of them are having the cross axis issue and both of them can detect only 2 fingers.
So this time, it's not software related, it's hardware related
What if we just replace the screen with one that is capable of multitouch?
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What if we just replace the screen with one that is capable of multitouch?
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umm... yeah... no..... thats impossible...
elady58 said:
The X10 is using the same touch screen as the Nexus 1 and the HTC desire.
Both of them are having the cross axis issue and both of them can detect only 2 fingers.
So this time, it's not software related, it's hardware related
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can you please post the link where did you get this ?
The screen dosen't have nothing in related to dt or MT, the only thing is a related ADC converter that translate capacitance of the screen in x,y position this is described to understand, and this piece of hardware it isn't capable of do 2 simultaneous readings. In dt the reading is only one but with very highly frequency so u don't remark the time between them, and acts like a MT, but it isn't in reality. The chip datasheet was on the forum in one thread posted.
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I don't mind DT..but I hope they can make it more responsive..I love Iphone because of the MT is so smooth and responsive..
custom roms always helps =)
It seems like we've had this discussion before.
I remember reading all those arguments that it can or cannot support this.
I will be shocked if it actually does support mt.
However, dual touch is enough for me
i dont mind dual touch, i just wish it was more responsive
The only thing that sucks about not having MT is that playing Tap Tap Revenge is kind of hard when three come at once.. but oh well.. I can live with out TTR
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The screen dosen't have nothing in related to dt or MT, the only thing is a related ADC converter that translate capacitance of the screen in x,y position this is described to understand, and this piece of hardware it isn't capable of do 2 simultaneous readings. In dt the reading is only one but with very highly frequency so u don't remark the time between them, and acts like a MT, but it isn't in reality. The chip datasheet was on the forum in one thread posted.
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you're correct it is the digitizer on the x10 that is used...
It cannot read more than two points simultaneously, so true mt will never be possible
fiscidtox said:
you're correct it is the digitizer on the x10 that is used...
It cannot read more than two points simultaneously, so true mt will never be possible
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But only 2-touch-points are defined in the driver. Maybe it's possible to define more with some hacks?
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But only 2-touch-points are defined in the driver. Maybe it's possible to define more with some hacks?
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no... it is the digitizer itself, not the drivers.
Synaptics Cleartouch 2000 digitizer
Same as on the n1, and the htc desire...
They ALL have the same issue
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With so many windows phones from HTC (Touch HD, Touch Pro, HD2) having Android builds for them and have shown they can run Android on these systems, I was wondering if you think its worth for someone with knowledge to try and port the Windows Phone 7 builds on Xperia X10 ?
Prima facie, it has the necessary hardware requirements such as three buttons, 1 GHz processor, enough RAM etc !!!
What do you think and will anyone be interested in trying ?
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With so many windows phones from HTC (Touch HD, Touch Pro, HD2) having Android builds for them and have shown they can run Android on these systems, I was wondering if you think its worth for someone with knowledge to try and port the Windows Phone 7 builds on Xperia X10 ?
Prima facie, it has the necessary hardware requirements such as three buttons, 1 GHz processor, enough RAM etc !!!
What do you think and will anyone be interested in trying ?
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i think win 7 requires 512 mb ram.. x10 has only 384..
nd why would u want wm7 on x10 either.. seems wm7 is turning out to be pure crap!!
Too early for speculation
Why not buying an Windows 7 phone ... why the hell somebody will put such an ugly OS on the wonderful X10?
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i think win 7 requires 512 mb ram.. x10 has only 384..
nd why would u want wm7 on x10 either.. seems wm7 is turning out to be pure crap!!
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it only needs 256 as ms said not 512
WP7 looked really nice at first. But Microsoft have gone too far with the nazi-like apple control. It's way too locked down, phones wont even have memory card slots.
Dont support these types of OS and behavior people, it's not the way forward.
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nazi-like apple control.
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i piss in my pants! Thats a good one! never heard it! ( i am from Germany and NO nazi!)
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wont even have memory card slots.
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Not 100% sure. i did read both: that they do not allow card slots and that phones come out with one. (i think i read it with a DELL phone anywhere in the www 1 week ago)
Is this possible? 'cause i would like to play around with something new for our x10
If someone can validate the possibility in doing so,then i will try to work on this.
Sincerely Flame
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Is this possible? 'cause i would like to play around with something new for our x10
If someone can validate the possibility in doing so,then i will try to work on this.
Sincerely Flame
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Possible? Yeah, it's definitely possible. The X10 shares the same QSD8250 and Adreno 200 that the HD2 has (that has a port of WP7). But other than that, I don't think anyone really has the motivation to do the immense work that would be required to get WP7 running on the X10 (driver issues as there isn't similar enough hardware that's running WP7 as the X10)... not to mention that the bypass method may not be enough (I may be wrong as they've gotten Backtrack and Win95 running, lol)
ok thanks for the information undone i will pm some devs and hope they write me back. at least this would make a little bit more fun than watching all those threads getting some new roms upped
and this could also help us to improve our devices
Sincerely Flame
Edit: seems as if this will be for now a one man Show.
So please be patient ;D
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Is this possible? 'cause i would like to play around with something new for our x10
If someone can validate the possibility in doing so,then i will try to work on this.
Sincerely Flame
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sounds charming to me... that wud be a good idea... i think
i prefer ics more than wp7...
i think windows 7 is not good for x10
getting a new OS is always a better option why not try it??
You can download Launcher 7 and all WP7 apps from market and you will get an awesome WP7 experience
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Realy ?? Why we don't try ?? What we have to losse?? Can the dev try this ??
Xperia x10i
Android version : 2.3.9
Kernel : DoomKernel v6
Rom : FeraLab v14
Addons : Xperia S
I suppose it can be done I had windows 95 on mine at one point for a laugh (its somewhere on here how to do it). Although not sure bout win 7 thinking bout it it uses some serious RAM, something our dear phones lack.
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Let's be realistic this will probably never happen. And why would someone waste time porting wp7 os to our x10 . If you want wp7 os get a win7phone.
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MINI PRO seems to have Cypress TrueTouch GEn3 PSoc, that can support more than 2 touchpoint.
I explain more about what should we do to get it work in post 7.
come helping us and We sure can do it.
Thx Shok' xD
can u put it in frand' in french ? xD
there is a real chance to activate MT in changing just the kernel ?
that will be nice someone with more knowledge than me (i don't understand anything about drivers ) can put his hands dirty for us >_<
would be nice actually then i can play some of them HD games which need multi touch
clearpad 2000 is only on mini and don't know what is the solution for mini pro
Great work......can this work on 2.1???
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clearpad 2000 is only on mini and don't know what is the solution for mini pro
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I don't know if this will help but...
The solution on mini pro seems to be made by cypress
As seen here:
http://www.phonewreck.com/2010/08/05/823/
http://www.phonewreck.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/X10BD12.jpg
yes I found It yesterday too,
diferencies is synaptic/google's prototype driver allow DT but cypress's ctma300 prototype driver just allow single touch, don't have any kind of MT supported.
but in fact, Mini Pro seems to have and Full MT controller (cypress truetouch gen 3).
so there is 1-3 step to get multitouh work on it :
1-change driver by patching or modifying kernel
2-maybe patch Runtimes, libraries and framework if actual versions don't support MT (depend of what does SE developpers)
3-maybe change cypress PSoc firmware if actual don't support multitouch
the paths and files that maybe will interest us :
/sys/bus/serio/
/system/etc/ts_fw_update.sh
/system/etc/firmware/cy8_truetouch_jtouch.hex
/system/etc/firmware/cy8_truetouch_tpk.hex
maybe an custom ROM over actual kernel (customised) is the best way to got it work until bootloader is cracked,but it's not that simple to do it.
everyone can help, we all waiting for you, yes you.
So, the digitizer is capable of handling even more than 2-point multitouch?
Unfortunately, I'm not a dev, so I can't help out with the drivers...
Just thought I could give some light to the situation, I happened to bump on that teardown before reading your thread...
So, is waiting for someone to tweak the kernel all we can do now?
normaly true touch gen 3 is natively "multipoint capable" except if SE tweaked the firmware and remove the feature.
To improve the driver may be the hardest part of the work.
modifying kernel by "insmod" is quite easy but may be Insufficient for what we attempte to do.
Cracking the Bootloader is the best way so we can put our own kernel version, tweaked as we want.
Generation 3 TrueTouch Solutions
> Multi-Touch All-Points Touchscreen Solution with unlimited touches
> TrueTouch™ family’s newest product delivering unparalleled performance
> Critically acclaimed by many large OEM customers
> Ability to track movement of individual fingers
> Best-in-class average power consumption, scan time, refresh rate and accuracy
> Provides the most flexible user-interface design solution
from their website
http://www.cypress.com/?id=1938
SE is stupid why buyin' gen 3 if they don't wanna include multitouch?
axy_david said:
Generation 3 TrueTouch Solutions
> Multi-Touch All-Points Touchscreen Solution with unlimited touches
> TrueTouch™ family’s newest product delivering unparalleled performance
> Critically acclaimed by many large OEM customers
> Ability to track movement of individual fingers
> Best-in-class average power consumption, scan time, refresh rate and accuracy
> Provides the most flexible user-interface design solution
from their website
http://www.cypress.com/?id=1938
SE is stupid why buyin' gen 3 if they don't wanna include multitouch?
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Sony Ericsson...
Actually MT may be enabled after all on X10 Mini/Pro because it was stated after it was announced by SE on twitter or something that the X10 will receive 'pinch-zoom'
but SE don't tell anything about mini/pro,before that they said putting MT on mini/pro will decrease user experience beacause of smaller screen size, maybe they thinks peoples will stay on the SE home which not allow anything, by the way making our own Driver will ensure that we can have multitouch or modifiying the firmware will permit us to add some features like new gestures or many other things I, If it's possible peoples will found for what.
EDIT : pinch to zoom is the best for Dualtouch, but we have a Full multitouch screen no limited to 2 fingers
What about if actual drivers support MT but it is disabled in a config file? Maybe we should start searching there before much more complicated driver replacement. =)
What about if actual drivers support MT but it is disabled in a config file? Maybe we should start searching there before much more complicated driver replacement. =)
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If that were true we would only get dualtouch at most, I believe....
Just like in the big x10... shokmah, is it true that our screens support multitouch? I mean, 10 finger multitouch? Just like the iphone? Oo that would be awesome!!! I'll study this brutally if that's true....
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yes absolutely true, but I don't know how much fingers , but sure more that 2 .
Driver actually don't support any kind of multitouch, you can found sources released by SE and it just support 1 finger, so this is really the first thing to Do.
Not bootloader but Recovery
Hey this thread really is exciting knowing that mini/pro CAN actually support MT, although i think i read somewhere that mini can only support 2 fingers, either way is better than just 1 XD, mostly for emulators, aaaany way, member zdzihu posted a recovery method for flashing custom roms on mini/pro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878426
hope the devs can make MT work
interesting
kurotany said:
Hey this thread really is exciting knowing that mini/pro CAN actually support MT, although i think i read somewhere that mini can only support 2 fingers, either way is better than just 1 XD, mostly for emulators, aaaany way, member zdzihu posted a recovery method for flashing custom roms on mini/pro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878426
hope the devs can make MT work
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dont forget though that this recovery is not a recovery as we understand them on sensibly made devices (cheers sony......) there is still no custom kernel ability as i gather and STILL no custom roms other than the unstable build for x10i... iv been following these threads very closely and am more than willing to help you guys to figure out a way to achieve MT. if any code source is needed to be pulled and put to you let me know. also would looking at files from a mini/pro on 1.6 then comparing with files from 2.1 updated phones as maybe this could show areas of interest more clearly??? i am new to the idea of development and such but just an idea. fresh minds=fresh ideas right?? praying for a functional sony ericsson phone soon lmao
Hey there again
There are now custom roms and a tutorial made by svprm to make them, i tried it and it works, is an easy way to root the latest firmware update and it works with xrecovery, also with bin4ry flashtool you can flash different files from firmwares that includes the kernel.sin and system.sin of sony's updates, so my idea is that maybe kernel.sin could be decrypted and modified so that the device works with multitouch the same way system.sin is decrypted to make custom roms, so just a thought for devs that know how to work at kernel level maybe it works this way
I have no idea what iam doing, but i found "Protoype drivers" for CY8CTMA300
@ http://www.cypress.com
Hope it can help someone
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17262008/cy8ctma300.tar.bz2
According to what I have been reading in this forum and X10-related sites, people expect SE to pack the latest technology into their flagship phones. I used to think of it this way too but unfortunately after having the X1 and X10 the experience was disappointing Then I questioned myself whats the true reason I bought them
The look
Yeap any SE phones that you can think of right now, their design is always outstanding. This is the image the company is trying to create to the public; to win the beauty award among competitors in market. If you want to buy a slick-looking phones your best bet is SE, they're damn good at it. People like good looking stuff that is why their phones still sell. But as a practical person you know looks aren't everything. SE's target market are probably the youngsters, who change their phones more frequent than other age ranges.
In a stereotypically point of view, SE phones are blondes.
So if SE has never had the intention to create a cutting-edge phone, its not their fault. If you're an X10 user who are currently not happy with how SE isn't doing a good job on the hardware/software department and keep up with the updates etc, blame yourself for not being able to get passed the look of the phone.
After seeing xperia phones' performance, it has become pretty clear to me that SE phones are not the choice for people who like to keep up with the latest technology and expect high performance from their phones. And SE are also not the best listener who will change their plan to meet our demands, because that is not the company's goal. As long as SE are still selling their phones it's very unlikely that they will repositioning themselves on the market.
Personally SE phones are now out of my list. They simply aren't future-proof enough and eol too quickly.
the new xperia Arc is pretty good
thumbs up.
Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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the new xperia Arc is pretty good
thumbs up.
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
loneLEE said:
Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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Exactly, if I'm not mistaken it was the first android phone which has the most customized and best looking media player.
SE's designing department rarely fails
Yeap. A blonde, but I've dyed her brunette with XDA
I'm completely satisfied with her as it stands now. An official 2.2 would be a great addition but no sweat if it never arrives. The JiT patch + xRecovery + other tweaks have gotten my X10 to places I never had thought possible. I don't give 2 flips if my mate's Galaxy S scrolls smoother [laugh] or another mate's Desire has dozens of custom ROM's - the Xperia's physical looks and overall UI is what I picked her for - for the rest there's XDA.
That's my story.
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
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Arc is the top SE right now, but I'm sticking with my x10
Wolfbreak said:
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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That's what really scares me. SE loves to customize their products so that it looks even more like their own creation. That is why SE will not launch any WinMo7 phones since it doesn't allow customization.
X1 was my first SE. I signed a really expensive contract for it which i do not need because i was so drawn into the beauty of that thing. After learning my (1st) lesson I was willing to give SE another go, I bought it upfront so that I can easily move on to another brand if it does not live up to my expectation again.
Well again the x10 didn't live up to my expectation, but at least my wallet didn't go hay-wired this time
Wolfbreak said:
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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I dont know how good is the hardware but its probably not good enough. That spec already existed in some phones thats launched last year. Sure many people would say the duo core is over-rated and 1ghz is more than enough but we're still in the 1st month of the year. If this year mobile phone is all about duo cores, arc will again miss out a lot of latest apps
No App will require more then 1GHZ, this would be crazy. And when Dual Core turns Mainstream SE will have the Arc successor out already with Dual Core. Not even all PC Programs did use a Quad Core and Quad Core is out for many years so i dont think all new Apps will require a Dual Core now.
When will the actual multitouch be available, the dualtouch is pretty annoying. If anyone knows any insight about it we wud all love to know
Thanks!!!
never..... the dual touch is all we're getting
as for as i know dual touch is pretty much enough but i would love it if we had perfect calibration!
cause the axes go the opposite when using dual touch in the ends of the screen
if this is fixed then its great
i think Xperia arc's drivers could be put into our x10 if the bootloader gets cracked that is
Ooo... Bootloader getting cracked is hard but not impossible. If it happens that wud be the best thing possible
andrej456 found a method to replace drivers via kernel modules for X8, originally made to get dualtouch on T-Mobile G1... However, right now it seems that it's working only on X8, because on X10 Mini Pro driver remains loaded in memory.
You can give it a shot on X10 to try to get more than two fingers
It's here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=976948
Basically, place replace piece of code in MT driver and compile it as module with make modules. We still haven't got DT/MT on X8 but andrej is making progress, he's looking at different drivers and tries to make working one for us
due to hardware limitations, we won't have true multitouch.
dualtouch is the best that the hardware allows us to do.
well, the x8 wont work on x10, and i dont want to risk anything on my phone, i have done enough crap on my phone already. i dont want to make it any harder. but i know that it is not impossible, there must be a way, the hardrives that hes looking for, can be taken from the xperia arc. cant it?
Xperia's hardware doesn't support multitouch
sonybose said:
Xperia's hardware doesn't support multitouch
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Hey
Whats the best QWERTY Android phone right now (or coming in the near future)? I just need it to have XDA support by a lot of members and support (now or in the future) for Android 4.0/4.1
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Hey
Whats the best QWERTY Android phone right now (or coming in the near future)? I just need it to have XDA support by a lot of members and support (now or in the future) for Android 4.0/4.1
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Xda support??
Swiftkey x and smart keyboard are pretty good...
Try out your self...
Swiftkey predicts words before you start typing which is awesome and thats why I prefer it
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aceian said:
Xda support??
Swiftkey x and smart keyboard are pretty good...
Try out your self...
Swiftkey predicts words before you start typing which is awesome and thats why I prefer it
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
I am asking for a phone.
Possibly the Sony Xperia Mini Pro. It's relatively small but it's well supported and does have official ICS.
If you look past the fact that it was released in 2010, I would definately say the HTC Desire Z aka G2. It has fantastic build quality and no qwerty devices yet, have surpased its awesomeness IMO. I have used many Samsung qwerty devices and they are just pitiful compared to the Desire Z. There are quite a few ICS roms for it here on xda.
+1 for the g2. There are quite a few ICS roms for it that are more than suitable as a daily driver. I'm still looking for a worthy successor that would add NFC, a front facing cam, and a dual core processor. That's really all it's missing.
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Pr.TOSHIBA said:
If you look past the fact that it was released in 2010, I would definately say the HTC Desire Z aka G2. It has fantastic build quality and no qwerty devices yet, have surpased its awesomeness IMO. I have used many Samsung qwerty devices and they are just pitiful compared to the Desire Z. There are quite a few ICS roms for it here on xda.
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+1 for this as well, adding on SwiftKeys prediction to the physical keyboard is nice as well. (Current rom/etc in sig).
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Possibly the Sony Xperia Mini Pro. It's relatively small but it's well supported and does have official ICS.
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The screen is a bit too small for my tastes Other than that looks like a good phone
Pr.TOSHIBA said:
If you look past the fact that it was released in 2010, I would definately say the HTC Desire Z aka G2. It has fantastic build quality and no qwerty devices yet, have surpased its awesomeness IMO. I have used many Samsung qwerty devices and they are just pitiful compared to the Desire Z. There are quite a few ICS roms for it here on xda.
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+1 for the g2. There are quite a few ICS roms for it that are more than suitable as a daily driver. I'm still looking for a worthy successor that would add NFC, a front facing cam, and a dual core processor. That's really all it's missing.
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+1 for this as well, adding on SwiftKeys prediction to the physical keyboard is nice as well. (Current rom/etc in sig).
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Well, I did not state this but I currently have a Desire Z and as of right now, it is not getting a officialy ICS update. Im having problems with it (hardware wise looks like) and Desire Zs are not being sold anymore so im SOL. Thats why Im asking on another physical QWERTY keyboard devices that has XDA support AND has or will recieve a official update to ICS/JB.
Motorola Droid 4?
Posted from my rooted Motorola Atrix.
Xperia Pro MK16i/a. Got official ICS update from sony and ICS custom rom from freexperia/cyanogenmod team. single core processor msm8255 clocked at 1Ghz and 512mb of ram, HDPI devices. The bigger version of xperia mini pro sk17.
In my opinion, moto droid 3 is much better in term of hardware but the stupidity of motorola locking the bootloader, i suggest better you buy xperia pro..
Verizon just announced the droid incredible- this is pretty close, but it's missing the hardware keyboard. It has an S4 dual core, NFC, micro SD, and it's made by HTC. All they need to do now is add a keyboard and sell it on T-mo, or at least sell it with T-mo compatible bands.
Some might think the 4" screen size is too small, especially compared to some of the recent flagship phones. I don't watch many movies on my phone, so I would rather have portability and a convenient form factor. If the large screen trend continues, we might see bag phones make a comeback.
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I guess the era of physical keyboards is over, there really are no phones out there that aren't borderline obsolete and if you want to buy unlocked then good luck getting anything released after 2010
Honestly I dont get why none of those chinese cloners can make a good 6577 or 6589 phone with a slide-out qwerty
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riahc3 said:
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Whats the best QWERTY Android phone right now (or coming in the near future)? I just need it to have XDA support by a lot of members and support (now or in the future) for Android 4.0/4.1
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Samsung galaxy s Relay for tmobile
riahc3 said:
Hey
Whats the best QWERTY Android phone right now (or coming in the near future)? I just need it to have XDA support by a lot of members and support (now or in the future) for Android 4.0/4.1
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I would've gone for the Samsung Galaxy Stratosphere II (if it were available in my country), so I had to settle for SE Xperia Pro MK16i. I got really tired of full-touch screen slabs, so I went back to slide-out qwerty models. I really have no options available (imports are out of the question because I want local support in case of faulty hardware/manufacture defects and phone has to be compatible with our GSM infrastructure), it's sad I have to buy a 2011 model phone to use in 2013.
I dont know if you would be satisfied with its 800MHz single-core processor, but im actually quite pleased with the original qwerty on my LG Optimus L5, screen size iz fine 4.0'', and it has a lot of languages in it.