Hey there,
Just noticed there isn't the whole 1Gb of ram available for Android to use......
Does this alter performance???
Is it allocated for graphics or the webtop??
Is there any way to remove the allocations for the addresses so they are all for Android OS???
Currently there's only 8xx.x MB available...
Cheers guys....... (just weird future-proofing questions)
About 300mb of ram is reserved by the OS.
Its divided up. Half or a little over half is dedicated to the OS. and the remaining of it is for webtop
They state 1gig because there literally is 1gig of pc memory (which they call it)
So out of the 1GB, about 300mb ish is used by android, leaving 700mb ish available to the phone/user? Or is say 500mb of the remaining 700 reserved for the laptop dock, so the phone can only access/use to run apps etc on 200mb? Sorry for sounding a bit thick, but i'm confused.
Thanks
Ian
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https://market.android.com/details?id=com.electricsheep.asi
it will show what is and what isnt available
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
Beaker491 said:
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
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you dont honestly need anymore than 700 there will be a mod soon that will allow you to have all of the 1gig
Beaker491 said:
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
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System uses 250-350mb. You usually get 550-650Mb free in a fresh restart with no widgets on the launcher. My phone's free memory is usually 350-450Mb and i use a lot of apps, widgets and running services. Phone is always snappy.
There's misleading information stating that half of the phone's memory is reserved for webtop/laptop dock. That's not true
Beaker491 said:
Um, i don't actually have the phone yet? just wanted to make sure that if i buy an atrix, it has the full 1gb of ram available for use (Minus operating system needs, so about 700 - 800mb ish?). I don't intend to purchase a laptop dock, or at least not straight away, so i'm hoping the phone can use the full 700+mb remainder for multi tasking, gaming, etc etc
Thanks
Ian
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Don't get the phone, Wait it out for something better
firefox3 said:
Don't get the phone, Wait it out for something better
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If I did that, i'd never buy a new phone, i'd always be waiting for something better..... choices choices
Ian
Beaker491 said:
If I did that, i'd never buy a new phone, i'd always be waiting for something better..... choices choices
Ian
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No doubt. The phone has plenty of memory and plenty of potential.
Buy the sgs2. They already cranked it up to 1.5ghz and its stable. I regret buying this phone. Its gonna be locked down forever.
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The selling point for me, with the Atrix, is the docking capabilities. It seems that Motorola is the only Android manufacturer that understands how important this is. Apple sells a lot of devices because of docking and accessory capability.
This is where Samsung fails for the most part.
I understand that this may not be important to some people, but it is to me. The car dock creates a simple dock solution to play music and use maps from the phone. This is preferable to bluetooth streaming by far. The dock provides audio out via USB so you do not have to plug anything into the phone after docking. The same is true for the HD dock and the Laptop dock. Also, the laptop dock allows you to close the lid and still play music from it's speakers.
The bottom line here is simple. There are pros and cons to every device. There is no single device that can be considered the best for everyone.
Having said that, I have never had a Samsung mobile device that wasn't cheap feeling. The SAMOLED screens are beautiful but they are surrounded by cheap feeling materials. It all comes down to personal opinion.
Andrew149 said:
you dont honestly need anymore than 700 there will be a mod soon that will allow you to have all of the 1gig
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I know i won't need more than 700, but what i didn't know was if the phone could access the whole of the 700 if it had too (say playing a resource heavy game while having something running in the background - no laptop dock involved), or whether or not the 700 was divided into separate 2 sections - one for phone usage, and one for laptop dock usage? There seems to be conflicting answers when searching.
Thanks
Ian
Beaker491 said:
I know i won't need more than 700, but what i didn't know was if the phone could access the whole of the 700 if it had too (say playing a resource heavy game while having something running in the background - no laptop dock involved), or whether or not the 700 was divided into separate 2 sections - one for phone usage, and one for laptop dock usage? There seems to be conflicting answers when searching.
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Ian
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There's no such "partition" of RAM. The webtop environment uses the RAM available when needed by does NOT reserve it! Whenever you are not using Webtop, phone will use the amount of RAM available, either 700, 600 or 500Mb or so.
Beaker491 said:
If I did that, i'd never buy a new phone, i'd always be waiting for something better..... choices choices
Ian
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Haha agreed, there is always gonna be a better one so you gotta settle down eventually.
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tdo700 said:
Buy the sgs2. They already cranked it up to 1.5ghz and its stable. I regret buying this phone. Its gonna be locked down forever.
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It may be up to 1.5ghz already, but for all its speed, right now it's crap for playing games on (or at least the exynos version is), which is something i shall be doing alot of with my new device. But everybody has different needs from their phone. My No1 need is gaming development and support. Any phone thats got an Nvidia chip in it has a gaming advantage.
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Wow, now I remember why I dont buy sony products. Whoever decided to make the sd card slot usless should get a tab up side the head.
Sd card: useless compared to non crippled slots
Micro usb? really? thats the best you could cram into a tablet this size... fail
No hdmi? major fail
The charger is the worst piece of crap I have ever seen
Bravo sony, you wanted to create a tablet that you had to cut by 100$ and a tablet that is crippled and missing its leggs.
Even some 7inch tabs have hdmi, full size usb and a charger that doesnt sound like metal teeth being snapped.
As for power and gpu, my samsung galaxy NOTE gt-N7000 runs circles around this failure.
If you love it, good for you, I require more.
Rant over
First of all, of course you galaxy note runs circles around it. It's clocked at 1.4ghz vs the sony s's 1ghz. Not really sure what your basis for the claims of the GPU performance are.. they should be fairly similar though, so if the Galaxy Note does indeed outperform it then your right that it's pretty crappy of Sony.
I agree with you for most of the other parts though. Can't really justify the need for downsizing the USB port when it's such a large case up there. Hell they could have fit two there! HDMI would have been great, but there are plenty that don't have it on the market, at least this one offers DLNA. I don't have a problem with the charger.. seems to me that it would be much, much more durable than the micro USB's android phones ahve been strapping.
Plus some people pay hundreds for a universal remote, and this has one with great form and function. Like anything it has it's pro's and cons.
The two things that stung me about it that got me after purchase is the SDcard storage thingo, and lack of support from gameloft :\.
But hey, could be worse and just not have an SD card slot like some do. Now that is a fail.
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First of all, of course you galaxy note runs circles around it. It's clocked at 1.4ghz vs the sony s's 1ghz. Not really sure what your basis for the claims of the GPU performance are.. they should be fairly similar though, so if the Galaxy Note does indeed outperform it then your right that it's pretty crappy of Sony.
I agree with you for most of the other parts though. Can't really justify the need for downsizing the USB port when it's such a large case up there. Hell they could have fit two there! HDMI would have been great, but there are plenty that don't have it on the market, at least this one offers DLNA. I don't have a problem with the charger.. seems to me that it would be much, much more durable than the micro USB's android phones ahve been strapping.
Plus some people pay hundreds for a universal remote, and this has one with great form and function. Like anything it has it's pro's and cons.
The two things that stung me about it that got me after purchase is the SDcard storage thingo, and lack of support from gameloft :\.
But hey, could be worse and just not have an SD card slot like some do. Now that is a fail.
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The gpu plays as big a roll as the cpu in terms of render. I had a 154$ tablet that used an all winner cortex9 with a mali-400 gpu and it destroys the sony tablet. Of course at 154$ it had a ****ty 7inch screen. After my iphone 4 and 4s, i cant go back to hiddeous pixel screens. I found the perfect middle ground in my Samsung Note. It has the muscle to back up its amazing screen.
BTW, that cheap tablet with the amazing cpu/gpu had hdmi, usb and a micro sdhc slot. Its the now gone Ainol Novo 7 Advanced (not the the basic model).
I must say, the sony tablet screen look terrible compared to my Note but if i hold it far enough away, the pixels dont jump out at me as much.
Mind you its apples to oranges because the Note's display is an ips super amoled with an almost retina ppi.
I called sony today to pass on my thoughts. They sound ignorant. Their sales reflect that. Maybe if they drop it another 100$ people will stop returning it when the insert their sd card and haul the charger out of the box with a tractor.
The card works fine with any 3rd party app quickpic mx player etc thanks for playing technical genius
Who uses stock apps anyway
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The card works fine with any 3rd party app quickpic mx player etc thanks for playing technical genius
Who uses stock apps anyway
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Bitterness ages a face ;-)
Oh, and try to download a movie on your sony tablet directly to you sd card.... oh right, crippled
Regarding the "crippled" SD Card slot, as far as I can tell its only crippled with Sony apps. If you use any standard Android app the SD card slot is fully usable and accessible. I've got a 32 gig sd card in there and have no problem playing videos/music/open files directly off it. No speed issues or anything. I never transfer anything...
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Regarding the "crippled" SD Card slot, as far as I can tell its only crippled with Sony apps. If you use any standard Android app the SD card slot is fully usable and accessible. I've got a 32 gig sd card in there and have no problem playing videos/music/open files directly off it. No speed issues or anything. I never transfer anything...
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Nowhere did I refer to playback. Try to download natively to your sd card with your tablet. Crippled. Playback is useless if you cant get the media on the card in the first place. Maybe run out and buy a real tablet to do the muscle work and use the sony for the pansy playback?
Did Sony kill your parents? Good Lord, let it go. You don't like the Tablet S, but a lot of us do. Who cares? Don't buy it! I like PS3 controller compatibility and universal remote features. They build different tablets for a reason, just like how they make different phones, different TVs, furniture, cars, ice cream flavors, etc...
You can use dolphin browser ( and many other browser ) to download file into sd card directly.
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Did Sony kill your parents? Good Lord, let it go. You don't like the Tablet S, but a lot of us do. Who cares? Don't buy it! I like PS3 controller compatibility and universal remote features. They build different tablets for a reason, just like how they make different phones, different TVs, furniture, cars, ice cream flavors, etc...
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Yeah, because you've never bought something ad ranted. I always love the holier than thou type.
roticagas said:
You can use dolphin browser ( and many other browser ) to download file into sd card directly.
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Yes thank you. Too bad dolphin crashes on my sony tab and it only downloads certain things. I download movies and stuff on my samsung note with torrent apps. Sony s will only download to its own memory. But thanks
BeamMeUpStreaky said:
Yes thank you. Too bad dolphin crashes on my sony tab and it only downloads certain things. I download movies and stuff on my samsung note with torrent apps. Sony s will only download to its own memory. But thanks
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Sell your sony and use your samsung if is better than a workstation.
Sony s runs android, so " Sony s will only download to its own memory " is a meaningless phrase.
david8 said:
Sell your sony and use your samsung if is better than a workstation.
Sony s runs android, so " Sony s will only download to its own memory " is a meaningless phrase.
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Anything I say will be meaningless to you for the simple fact that you are limited to your own opinion. I however dont get frustrated when other people are not acting as my clone.
"Sony s runs android"?? do you think my more capable Note runs windows 7??Obviously they both use android.
On most tablets and my Note, "I" decide where my downloads go ie to the units memory or to the memory card I have installed. Sony s makes that choice for you. Its not my opinion, its a fact. Kinda runs in the face of what android lovers seem to hold so dear... "freedom".
I may sell my crippled tablet for a capable one, or just give it to my 5 year old nephew to play with.
I will pick up a galaxy tab, as far as I can see, looks better.
Dont hate on people, life is too short ;-)
lifes too short to go moaning on a forum about a problem thats arguable negligible to most usage scenarios, then writing snarky 'witticisms'.
your really need more hobbies if you're resorting to torrenting on tablets and complaining about not being able to do so on one model.... (who the heck does that?!!).
BeamMeUpStreaky said:
Anything I say will be meaningless to you for the simple fact that you are limited to your own opinion. I however dont get frustrated when other people are not acting as my clone.
"Sony s runs android"?? do you think my more capable Note runs windows 7??Obviously they both use android.
On most tablets and my Note, "I" decide where my downloads go ie to the units memory or to the memory card I have installed. Sony s makes that choice for you. Its not my opinion, its a fact. Kinda runs in the face of what android lovers seem to hold so dear... "freedom".
I may sell my crippled tablet for a capable one, or just give it to my 5 year old nephew to play with.
I will pick up a galaxy tab, as far as I can see, looks better.
Dont hate on people, life is too short ;-)
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you are crazy boy.
He's only making points that have been made time and time again by most of you, just he's not willing to just accept it and be happy with the tab. No real reason for everyone to start flaming
It's very true that sony has imposed too much of there own influence. Not only that, but made it so there is currently no possible way to root it and make the changes we want done.
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Exactly, I would write the same.
I Don't understand this kind of posts, what helps? We need to improve the usability of this tablet until the root is not available...
DreadPirateDan said:
He's only making points that have been made time and time again by most of you, just he's not willing to just accept it and be happy with the tab. No real reason for everyone to start flaming
It's very true that sony has imposed too much of there own influence. Not only that, but made it so there is currently no possible way to root it and make the changes we want done.
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Thanks for being helpful. I knew i wasnt the only person to ever complain here about the sd problem. I wasnt harping on it, simply replying to people who took the time to talk with me about it.
I too look forward to a root and i hope that the sd problem is software not hardeware and that sony might wake up to at least match 150$ tablets in that regard.
Im not a fan of honeycomb so ics would be nice. Cheers
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Exactly, I would write the same.
I Don't understand this kind of posts, what helps? We need to improve the usability of this tablet until the root is not available...
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My 3rd party apps that download video or music content are restricted to the 16GB internal. There is zero way to make anything go to the sd card because the tablet treats the sd card as if it wasnt even there. The only thing the tablet can do is transfer files to and from the sd card.. Period.
As for dolphin, what would you download with that?
On a side note.. you can download with atorrent and specify the the destination can't you? The only problem I had with it was wifi going into sleep mode.. so I was pretty dissapoinnted to wake up and find it only downloaded 1.2%. lol.
Basically I knew what I was buying hardware wise when I bought it - aside from the creaks I discovered later. Then was massively let down software wise due to the restrictions.
I feel asthough if we got it rooted, we could just rename sdcard1 to sdcar2, and vice versa. Hopefully such a switcharoo would work and then it would continue on as it has, but with much more memory there .
It's going to be a real shame if Sony's take on ICS leaves us in the same boat, can't be rooted, can't be downgraded, and then someone discovers a root for HC
So, was browsing the Internet, when I found this..
Canonical has started releasing its own, ARM optimised Ubuntu versions for Android devices...
It runs alongside Android and has access to almost all its apps like Phone, Contacts, User apps etc..
It seems to be basically meant for Dual-Cores and when combined with a docking station, you have a full-fledged Ubuntu running on a Dual-Core chipset which you can view in full screen size on your TV Screen n stuff..
Read more here:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2812424/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on
PS: Don't you, in your wildest dream, think of running it on our lil screens with a Single core, 600mhz processor...
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Wow, exciting! Too bad there's nothing concrete for users to try right now (unless I missed something).
It's sad how they say "In every dual-core phone, there’s a PC trying to get out."
But hey, who needs ubuntu when you have ice cream sandwich (not that I ever bought my phone with the thought of using it as a desktop)
Not At All MEANT for us....
If you read the full articles, it makes quite a lot of sense for a person who moves around a lot. Also the processing power in high-end phones should be enough for the OS to offer a decent experience.
One more reason to hold on to our beloved P500 for one more year and save the upgrade money for a multi-core phone . At least this way, when you upgrade you will be able to really feel the difference.
Thank you!
Greets!
Why not work on p500? Win7 runs on on 1GHz single core... 600MHz for an optimized version of ubuntu should work...
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I think... just because it needs one core to run Ubuntu, and another for android, so that dual-core phones are required
---a fairly silly guess really lol---
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I think... just because it needs one core to run Ubuntu, and another for android, so that dual-core phones are required
---a fairly silly guess really lol---
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There is no mobile device that can run 2 OSs in the same boot... you need a lot of ram and tons of cpu... my 2.8GHz can't handle the android emulator...
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But whats the use, even if we *Highly* optimise it, we dont have a docking station nor an HDMI out...
What will you do with a desktop OS on such a small screen??
My suggestion: wait a few years, earn nuff money and buy the best mobile around that can run Android+Chrome OS+Ubuntu+MeeGo+(Windows )+ what not...
Untill then, stick to this sh!t, we got enough development goin here already...
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Hardware requirements:
Dual-core 1GHz CPUVideo acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; Open GL, ES/EGLStorage: 2GB for OS disk imageHDMI: video out with secondary frame buffer deviceUSB host mode512 MB RAM
Nevermind...
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Hardware requirements:
Dual-core 1GHz CPUVideo acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; Open GL, ES/EGLStorage: 2GB for OS disk imageHDMI: video out with secondary frame buffer deviceUSB host mode512 MB RAM
Nevermind...
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Aha... yep... n dats why i said not to dream about running it on our phones...
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RockR172 said:
But whats the use, even if we *Highly* optimise it, we dont have a docking station nor an HDMI out...
What will you do with a desktop OS on such a small screen??
My suggestion: wait a few years, earn nuff money and buy the best mobile around that can run Android+Chrome OS+Ubuntu+MeeGo+(Windows )+ what not...
Untill then, stick to this sh!t, we got enough development goin here already...
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Nahh, please leave the Meego, and Windows
But I think my galaxy Nexus will do it. Even better: a galaxy Note
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Nahh, please leave the Meego, and Windows
But I think my galaxy Nexus will do it. Even better: a galaxy Note
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Haha... yep... but there can be some fanboys... you gotta consider em all...
Note will do it best, you wont even need a docking station or whatever stuff required to connect it to a larger display...
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Its going to be superb, checkout the video demo of Ubuntu on Android , now I need my Tegra3 quad-core
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I have read that ubuntu reguires atleast a 4.0 inch screen which makes it difficult on optimus one !
THIS IS OFF TOPIC, IGNORE IF U WISH.. JUST WRITING MY MIND..
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It's sad how they say "In every dual-core phone, there’s a PC trying to get out."
But hey, who needs ubuntu when you have ice cream sandwich (not that I ever bought my phone with the thought of using it as a desktop)
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ahahha...
I honestly bought my phone to play ANGRY BIRDS..!!
thats all..
and today in my college, looking at my phone and all the4 modifications i have made in the months, friends say that i should sell my phone to LG at around 1lac ($2000) and become the brand ambassador for LG O1..
So here i'd like to thank ppl i know who helped me get this praise..
Thanks to
> mik (my 1st custom ROM, Official CM support)
> popdog (sweetest ROM ever)
> luporiph & Arjen (ICS, woah!!)
> Franco & fserve (all be damned if not for them)
> sweetnsour, vlt96 n many others for time to time helps
> capslock for this Reverse Tether
> noobs (make me feel "Like A Boss" )
taranfx said:
Its going to be superb, checkout the video demo of Ubuntu on Android , now I need my Tegra3 quad-core
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Seeing that video makes it obvious that this solution, at this point, is never going to replace a good desktop/laptop. The lag is there and is obvious, but at leat it promises to give you a chance to leave the big hardware at home if you choose to do so.
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Seeing that video makes it obvious that this solution, at this point, is never going to replace a good desktop/laptop. The lag is there and is obvious, but at leat it promises to give you a chance to leave the big hardware at home if you choose to do so.
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Its still in alpha.. and few months later we are gonna see quad cores... so give it sometime.. remember the 1st few alphas of cm9 by lupohirp?? Remember the lags/flickers etc??
Where are they now?? Gone ryt??
Similarly, give ubuntu some time, it will run better...
N dont forget, that video uses a phone running 1ghz dual core thats not OC'd...
So give it sometime, it will be up and running just the way it does on PC...
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The future is already here
There are already lightweight linux distros for embedded systems.
ArchLinuxARM for example runs on devices not much more powerful than our P500s
Pogoplug - 800Mhz ARMv5te 128 MB RAM & NAND
h t t p://archlinuxarm .org/platforms/armv5/pogoplug-series-4
You wouldn't run X on them. That's just eye candy.
But add a external USB hard drive, they become perfect
low power servers for media streaming, automated BT,
automated data backups, small webservers.
h t t p://archlinuxarm .org/support/guides/applications
Anyhoots, once a smartphone is EOL, it might be a good
project to repurpose them for the above tasks.
Oh yah, take a look at the $25 - $35 Raspberry Pi at wikipedia
http://www.androidcentral.com/googl...-leak-expect-it-australia-july?style_mobile=0
I'm still going for the 10.1" 1920x1080 Transformer Pad Infinity, but for people that like a 7" ( ) can go for the nexus tab.
tegra 3, fail.
an s4 silicon chipset with corresponding GPU would have been nice. exynos, not really "cutting edge" by todays performance standards.
I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way ahead it terms of developer support. That's why there are so many tegra 3 titles. And at the $200 price point this makes the kindle fire look, well, horrible. I am very pleased with the original specs. Yes krait may have been better but nvidia goes out of its way to lower price points and gets it soc in as many devices as possible. If you want something that has all the greatest hardware then u have to put out the $$$. At $200 I know the android community will flock to it and I hope consumers will to. All in all, I will get one and I hope the 7inch factor will be as useful as I think.
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only 8gb without a sd card slot is bad, really bad, why have that nice screen when you basically dont have even the space to load movies on it?
NixZero said:
only 8gb without a sd card slot is bad, really bad, why have that nice screen when you basically dont have even the space to load movies on it?
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I can't comprehend why Google is being so stupid with their Nexus lineup, especially tablets. I would absolutely love to use one of these on vacations/business trips with an HDMI cable to take my media with me and still watch them on a TV. I want to fill this thing up with tv shows and movies (and even music if possible) but it seems like they don't give a crap. Not including a microsd card is a freaking deal breaker every damn time.
Not to change the subject, but if we do get multiple Nexus phones from the big manufacturers later this year.. and not a single one of them has a microsd card.. I'm going to pull my hair out and scream. haha
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I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way ahead it terms of developer support. That's why there are so many tegra 3 titles. And at the $200 price point this makes the kindle fire look, well, horrible. I am very pleased with the original specs. Yes krait may have been better but nvidia goes out of its way to lower price points and gets it soc in as many devices as possible. If you want something that has all the greatest hardware then u have to put out the $$$. At $200 I know the android community will flock to it and I hope consumers will to. All in all, I will get one and I hope the 7inch factor will be as useful as I think.
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exactly. this is a great tablet at $200. i'm definitely buying one.
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only 8gb without a sd card slot is bad, really bad, why have that nice screen when you basically dont have even the space to load movies on it?
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probably just trying to get the price to produce down. that and with everything on the cloud maybe they dont think it's needed.
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I can't comprehend why Google is being so stupid with their Nexus lineup, especially tablets. I would absolutely love to use one of these on vacations/business trips with an HDMI cable to take my media with me and still watch them on a TV. I want to fill this thing up with tv shows and movies (and even music if possible) but it seems like they don't give a crap. Not including a microsd card is a freaking deal breaker every damn time.
Not to change the subject, but if we do get multiple Nexus phones from the big manufacturers later this year.. and not a single one of them has a microsd card.. I'm going to pull my hair out and scream. haha
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well then this probably isnt the tab for you. i dont think thats what they are going for. as far as the nexus devices go isnt like each major manufacturer making one? so it'll kind be up to them to include an sd card slot or not unless google requires them to exclude it.
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well then this probably isnt the tab for you. i dont think thats what they are going for. as far as the nexus devices go isnt like each major manufacturer making one? so it'll kind be up to them to include an sd card slot or not unless google requires them to exclude it.
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That's what I am afraid of. They've skimped on the last two Nexus phones. The least they could do is offer 32gb standard. The GSM Galaxy Nexus has 16gb while the CDMA versions both have 32gb.
I would prefer to go Nexus with my next phone and tablet, but Google's got to get their head out of their ass first. It's way too early to rely on the cloud for all of your media needs - especially on a tablet that is wifi only. It's asinine.
Do they have a microSD slot?
If they do, I don't see what the problem with only 8GB is. They did that so you could have a nice tablet with good specs at the price of $200. If you want more storage, just pay the $50 for a 64GB micro sd card. A 64GB variant of the tablet would probably cost $300 anyway so you'd be getting a better deal than if it was already 64GB.
As for relying on cloud storage, I hate how we're being forced to do that. I ****ing hate cloud storage since streaming with sprint's 3G is slow as hell and it wouldn't be adequate for a tablet. Cloud storage should only become a norm when we have mobile satellite internet or some sort of internet that's fast and everywhere.
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I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way ahead it terms of developer support. That's why there are so many tegra 3 titles.[...]
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I disagree. Tegra 3 and nvidia are way behind it terms of developer support. That's why there are so few ics tegra 2 roms and all of them suck. Pumping funds in game developers to make titles exclusive is not what I would call dev support. But withholding drivers and disclosing specs is exactly what I would call neglect the devs.
The guys over at Linux aren't very fond of Nvidia. Linus Trovalds (creator of Linux) says "NVIDIA has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with!" and gives a big middle finger to the company on camera.
Basically, Nvidia is making tons of money off of multiple open source linux platforms without giving anything back to the open source community.
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Do they have a microSD slot?
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as from reports, it doesnt - that's the problem.
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The guys over at Linux aren't very fond of Nvidia. Linus Trovalds (creator of Linux) says "NVIDIA has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with!" and gives a big middle finger to the company on camera.
Basically, Nvidia is making tons of money off of multiple open source linux platforms without giving anything back to the open source community.
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the same goes for most mobile gpu, bar mali 400.
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Do they have a microSD slot?
If they do, I don't see what the problem with only 8GB is. They did that so you could have a nice tablet with good specs at the price of $200. If you want more storage, just pay the $50 for a 64GB micro sd card. A 64GB variant of the tablet would probably cost $300 anyway so you'd be getting a better deal than if it was already 64GB.
As for relying on cloud storage, I hate how we're being forced to do that. I ****ing hate cloud storage since streaming with sprint's 3G is slow as hell and it wouldn't be adequate for a tablet. Cloud storage should only become a norm when we have mobile satellite internet or some sort of internet that's fast and everywhere.
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from the rumors i've seen it will be wifi only. idk though.
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Do they have a microSD slot?
If they do, I don't see what the problem with only 8GB is. They did that so you could have a nice tablet with good specs at the price of $200. If you want more storage, just pay the $50 for a 64GB micro sd card. A 64GB variant of the tablet would probably cost $300 anyway so you'd be getting a better deal than if it was already 64GB.
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I know its already been replied to, but I wanted to reiterate this. I already did buy the 64GB card and I LOVE it. I can store as much crap as I want. I've watched an entire season of Archer on planes to/from Denver and in a hotel there while on business. I basically want to be able to load a tablet up and not have to worry about running out of new stuff to watch or listen to. I was able to do that with my old Nook Color that ran CM7 before I sold it on ebay. To not be able to do something so simple on the pure Google tablet (which will run circles around any Nook or Kindle) is just not right. Hopefully the leaked information is incomplete or inaccurate and it does have a microsd slot.
If they botch this then I will probably look to get an Asus tablet since it only took them about a month to bump the Transformer Prime up to ICS and the OG Transformer wasn't very far along after that. Google better do something amazing tomorrow if they want my $ -- and trust me I've been dying to give it to them for a while now. haha
So, what about USB otg support? Maybe that will solve storage problems.
Anyone got information bout that?
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So, what about USB otg support? Maybe that will solve storage problems.
Anyone got information bout that?
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Every ics kernel supports otg...
Sent from my Evo 3D on Sprint's blazing fast 3G network with 4G coverage everywhere
OK so I got around to thinking about this "problem" of not having microsd slots on new devices, and I was wondering if anyone out there makes an accessory that attaches to the charger and has a card reader on it. Basically an external card reader. It wouldn't be the fastest for transferring files I'm sure, but it's better than giving up all the microsd cards my family has acquired.
I did some Googling and found this thing on Amazon -- does anyone know if it does what I described above? I can't tell if its meant for use with actual phones/tablets or just the computer.
Or if anyone knows of a product that does exist and can provide a link (or even a name) that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!
Many are going bla bla bla about only having limited storage options .... well 11gb to be exact ! .... So what do you think - are you rejecting this masterpiece for this sole reason as of now ?
To me it ain't a deal breaker even 8gb nexus sells !
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Many are going bla bla bla about only having limited storage options .... well 11gb to be exact ! .... So what do you think - are you rejecting this masterpiece for this sole reason as of now ?
To me it ain't a deal breaker even 8gb nexus sells !
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Of course the 8GB Nexus 4 will sell! Dirt cheap price for a top of the line device with no contract = win. For me the storage isn't a huge issue, mainly the locked bootloader and tons of VZW crapware on the phone. Who knows if HTC will offer the dev unlock for this device..They have been bending over to Verizon a lot as of late. Hopefully this doesn't turn into the old troll Rezound forum.
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Many are going bla bla bla about only having limited storage options .... well 11gb to be exact ! .... So what do you think - are you rejecting this masterpiece for this sole reason as of now ?
To me it ain't a deal breaker even 8gb nexus sells !
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I'm definitely still purchasing it. 16gb is enough.
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Exactly i will also be getting it soon enough if all goes well - even if it doesn't have much development its okay as i believe HTC can be trusted with updates at least for their flagship and 2gb gives enough room sense ! - am a great fan of sense widgets cheap market replacements can never substitute the original feel .
Moreover i don't play games so - couple of games plus songs amendment your memory is freakin full argument doesn't stand for me !
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Exactly i will also be getting it soon enough if all goes well - even if it doesn't have much development its okay as i believe HTC can be trusted with updates at least for their flagship and 2gb gives enough room sense ! - am a great fan of sense widgets cheap market replacements can never substitute the original feel .
Moreover i don't play games so - couple of games plus songs amendment your memory is freakin full argument doesn't stand for me !
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Yeah I love sense but I would also love to have like venomrom or viperrom
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For me it is but that's just me. On my rezound I currently have 1gb free on internal storage and 3gb free on a 32gb sd, so for me I'm using alot. On the flipside, phone does sound like it will be a beast.
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For me it is but that's just me. On my rezound I currently have 1gb free on internal storage and 3gb free on a 32gb sd, so for me I'm using alot.
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Yeah its understandable different people have different use cases !
Btw can anybody tell whether an unlocked version will be available any time soon ?
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Yeah its understandable different people have different use cases !
Btw can anybody tell whether an unlocked version will be available any time soon ?
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But I'm starting to think I may have to change how I use my phone though as it appears adding your own sd card might be getting phased out.
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But I'm starting to think I may have to change how I use my phone though as it appears adding your own sd card might be getting phased out.
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Well in my case i got used to it fist one x and now this ! All these years i have had my reasons to avoid Samsung phones - guess that played a vital role .
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Well in my case i got used to it fist one x and now this ! All these years i have had my reasons to avoid Samsung phones - guess that played a vital role .
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I hear you, this is off topic but love the Ezio avatar. Are you playing the new one?
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I hear you, this is off topic but love the Ezio avatar. Are you playing the new one?
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Lol you know what i created an off topic thread for dna following the traditions and i am myself spamming other threads going off topic !
Nah am waiting for pc release
It'd be fine for me now - I only need to put apps on it. What I'm worried about is if it will be enough for the next 2 years. I can see a lot of games and apps getting substantially bigger if they take advantage of the adreno 320.
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It'd be fine for me now - I only need to put apps on it. What I'm worried about is if it will be enough for the next 2 years. I can see a lot of games and apps getting substantially bigger if they take advantage of the adreno 320.
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Mate if you game a lot then am afraid 11gb is too small even by todays gaming standards and like you said if newer games are to take advantage of all the horse power under the hood then i suppose we are going to find it very difficult to fit in least two decent games !
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Mate if you game a lot then am afraid 11gb is too small even by todays gaming standards and like you said if newer games are to take advantage of all the horse power under the hood then i suppose we are going to find it very difficult to fit in least two decent games !
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I have to try to figure out how much I will want to. It's tough to tell as I don't like most games out now, but if Assassin's Creed gets a real pc like release like GTA3 etc then I might want to a decent amount. Then again, maybe the controls on the phone will be annoying and I won't ever really want to and could get by with N64oid in situations where I have to sit around for a bit. I'd feel dumb giving up the amazing camera and screen if I don't end up using more space. I miss the good old upgradability of desktops and laptops.
I dont know why people are saying that
The general theme in this particular forum is that the sd card slot is getting phased out. How exactly did people come up to that conclusions. Samsung note II will have a slot supporting up to 64 gb straight out of the box. So does the s3.
The nexus line has long kept to that tradition because google like ppl to use their cloud services.
Just because HTC decided to bend over to verizon , doesn't mean that its the new technology standard.
Between limited data and limited storage , i feel like they are really suffocating the user here.
What amazes me is that we keep moving backwards as time goes by because of corporate greed.
we lost unlimited data and now space on our phones and all happening legally and we sit and just watch.
I dont see any benefit what so ever from limited sd card capacity. it has no stability or performance impact at all.
They said lets limit data to protect our network, and users swallowed it , now what is their rationale for limiting the sd card?
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The general theme in this particular forum is that the sd card slot is getting phased out. How exactly did people come up to that conclusions. Samsung note II will have a slot supporting up to 64 gb straight out of the box. So does the s3.
The nexus line has long kept to that tradition because google like ppl to use their cloud services.
Just because HTC decided to bend over to verizon , doesn't mean that its the new technology standard.
Between limited data and limited storage , i feel like they are really suffocating the user here.
What amazes me is that we keep moving backwards as time goes by because of corporate greed.
we lost unlimited data and now space on our phones and all happening legally and we sit and just watch.
I dont see any benefit what so ever from limited sd card capacity. it has no stability or performance impact at all.
They said lets limit data to protect our network, and users swallowed it , now what is their rationale for limiting the sd card?
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Verizon taking away unlimited data wasn't them trying to be evil, it was a business decision that allowed for them to quickly expand a 4G network that will be anywhere 3G was by the end of next year. If people still had the same unlimited data plans, verizon wouldn't have been able to spend as much on the network upgrades, and the 4G network might had speed issues by a lot of people using it as their home internet. Everyone complains about Verizon being expensive, but then wishes other networks had coverage and speeds of verizon. Considering how much people use and rely on their smartphones, their plans aren't that bad.
Now if you go into the old days of all the networks charging people for texts which literally take up 0 resources, that's a different story.
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Verizon taking away unlimited data wasn't them trying to be evil, it was a business decision that allowed for them to quickly expand a 4G network that will be anywhere 3G was by the end of next year. If people still had the same unlimited data plans, verizon wouldn't have been able to spend as much on the network upgrades, and the 4G network might had speed issues by a lot of people using it as their home internet. Everyone complains about Verizon being expensive, but then wishes other networks had coverage and speeds of verizon. Considering how much people use and rely on their smartphones, their plans aren't that bad.
Now if you go into the old days of all the networks charging people for texts which literally take up 0 resources, that's a different story.
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maybe, just maybe (and no i will not be holding my breath), once vzw gets their 4g fully deployed they might bring unlimited data back
You're kidding, right?
jmichaels1982 said:
The general theme in this particular forum is that the sd card slot is getting phased out. How exactly did people come up to that conclusions. Samsung note II will have a slot supporting up to 64 gb straight out of the box. So does the s3.
The nexus line has long kept to that tradition because google like ppl to use their cloud services.
Just because HTC decided to bend over to verizon , doesn't mean that its the new technology standard.
Between limited data and limited storage , i feel like they are really suffocating the user here.
What amazes me is that we keep moving backwards as time goes by because of corporate greed.
we lost unlimited data and now space on our phones and all happening legally and we sit and just watch.
I dont see any benefit what so ever from limited sd card capacity. it has no stability or performance impact at all.
They said lets limit data to protect our network, and users swallowed it , now what is their rationale for limiting the sd card?
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As a loyal Verizon Wireless Business customer, I'm completely dumbfounded. One of the main reasons I left the iPhone was due to no SD card.
On my Rezound, the internal storage is FULL with apps only and the 32GB SDHC is half+ most of the time. HD video and 8mp pics will fill up your storage fast. Love it or hate it, the Rezound can replace my laptop 95% of the time. That's freedom baby!
I guess if you only use your phone to call, text, web searches or simply to show off to your friends then this is the perfect phone for you but if your phone is a business necessity rather than a show pony then you will agree that the numbers just don't add up. I thought it odd that Verizon promotes their phones with adds about streaming movies over the 4G LTE network and at the same time eliminating the unlimited plan. Do they really think people will spend $10 in data charges to watch a movie? We would switch to another network tomorrow but only Verizon has the coverage we need even though we have unlimited data grandfathered in on most of our phones.
I want a 1080p phone just as bad as everyone else but this defies all COMMON SENSE!!!
Maybe I'm only one person but I will only reward a business with my cash for giving me what I want and need.
Just say NO...
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maybe, just maybe (and no i will not be holding my breath), once vzw gets their 4g fully deployed they might bring unlimited data back
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I can see them (or another carrier) within a few years having a 4G LTE home plan that's unlimited for all of your devices. Then you just put your phones on and some mifi hotspot devices in your home. Verizon has already mentioned that they want to move away from FIOS to something wireless because of the expense of setting up and maintaining the cords. This is all I'd need since I never use cable anyways, and within a few years I'd bet almost all channels have their own internet live streaming and/or watching shows when you want. Were already getting there.
Not sure but I heard it's VZW's fault because they force HTC to have low mem with no sd which means using clouds which means using data and some don't have unlimited which means more money for VZW.
Also they do sell usb to micro usb cords to plug your usb into your phone as an external harddrive I guess and store games on there. Just plug it in when you want to play a game I guess. The thing is don't know if DNA supports this. I know GSIII does as well Note II I think.
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I was wondering if this phone got the virtual ram option, so you can have for example 8+8= 16.
I know some oppos have it, also if it dosnt have it, is there any app that does it? I remember there was some app that have done it on samsung if i remember well.
Ty!
Virtual ram is dog slow... get the real thing.
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Virtual ram is dog slow... get the real thing.
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I know its slower, but i wanna know if have this option.
Also ive read the 8gb model works pretty fine with 8gb, no lags etc, but still wanna know this before i jump in
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I know its slower, but i wanna know if have this option.
Also ive read the 8gb model works pretty fine with 8gb, no lags etc, but still wanna know this before i jump in
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It will work fine until the ram gets loaded up.
Virtual ram doesn't have near the bandwidth needed and cuts into the internal memory bandwidth, a double whammy. With scoped storage already stealing cpu cycles you don't want anything else slowing it down.
Go with 12gb or more and be happy. The battery consumption is minimal. This ancient Note 10+ is a beast; large ram counts and helps increase the longevity of the device. A N10+ will eat the S22U 8gb alive once the ram get loaded up.
To answer your question, yes the Find N has it. It is called "RAM Expansion"
Once enabled you have 3, 5 and 7GB options (at least on the 12/512 variant anyway)
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To answer your question, yes the Find N has it. It is called "RAM Expansion"
Once enabled you have 3, 5 and 7GB options (at least on the 12/512 variant anyway)
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Thanks!
Where are you located mate? I ask as I have a spare 12/512 Find N (brand new, in box, unopened) that I am selling at a heavily discounted price (purchased for my girlfriend but she doesn't want to leave Apple much to my disgust ) haha
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Where are you located mate? I ask as I have a spare 12/512 Find N (brand new, in box, unopened) that I am selling at a heavily discounted price (purchased for my girlfriend but she doesn't want to leave Apple much to my disgust ) haha
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EU and you?
That's a shame. Australia. I would still be happy to ship it, I'm just not sure how much the charges would be that's all
How much were you looking at spending on an 8/256?
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That's a shame. Australia. I would still be happy to ship it, I'm just not sure how much the charges would be that's all
How much were you looking at spending on an 8/256?
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