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Just flashed Herodroid .3
Gotta say, good speed, seems nice. But what is there that 2.1 offers that 1.5 doesn't?
Besides the market, and a few icons here and there, are there any significant changes in 2.1? There is maps as well, correct? edit - excuse me, there is also the pinch to zoom out on the home screen to view all windows (which i find a little pointless, as I barely need 3 home screens to fill what I need. it is almost more hassle to have to use two hands to pinch out and view the screens than it is to just slide to the desired screen. sort of like polishing the worlds most perfect diamond? its fine, and imo was kind of a lame feature to introduce that perhaps they added to compensate for everything else 2.1 could have had in it? maybe im being too harsh, this is also a very long parentheses section.. just my 2 cents)
Maybe I have my panties in a bunch because I came from Mrbang's 1.5 super performance ROM and everything ran smooth as silk. My camera also doesn't make a freaky sound when I take pictures on 1.5 ROMS.
One of my biggest pet peaves right now is how Gameboid runs on 2.1 rom! Its just awful! So laggy!
Is this the roms fault or Gameboid?
I want my pokemon to run smoother than a ****ing GBA!
I just don't think jumping over to 2.1 is worth it for me just yet, I'm getting along just fine with 1.5
Plus, Manup456's theme looks ridiculously good.
First, all 2.1 roms are NOT offical ones, if they have problems I think you can either accept it or go away, instead of complaining about existing ones. It's you who's going to choose your rom, not others.
Your another question, benifits of 2.1. It's quite clear.
Google maps' lastest version and goggle ONLY run on 2.1 and new gmail/contact apps come with it. New Market, new HTC widgets. Compare them with your Gameboid, which one is more important.
Oh, and I'm quite sure many developers are working on 2.1 now, I think Gameboid will soon have a better performance.
(Why not try a psp as universal game machine? it run almost all previous game (including playstation1/Gameboy/FamilyComputer and so on..)according to me. Additionally Games drain your battery quite fast.)
I use the iPod Touch for gaming and music.
It's served me pretty well; games are often MUCH cheaper than the DS/PSP versions yet pack the same amounts of content; battery life is awesome and if I ever need the web on it I can simply wireless tether.
Lpts of BT profiles... file transfer... SPP... yummy...
For me, the biggest advantage of 2.1 is the improved browser. I find it much quicker than the 1.5 browser.
I'm back on 1.5 for now though, until the performance issues in 2.1 are fixed. We run on a very early kernel for 2.1, which isn't fully optimized yet. The official release should include a much faster kernel.
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First, all 2.1 roms are NOT offical ones, if they have problems I think you can either accept it or go away, instead of complaining about existing ones. It's you who's going to choose your rom, not others.
Your another question, benifits of 2.1. It's quite clear.
Google maps' lastest version and goggle ONLY run on 2.1 and new gmail/contact apps come with it. New Market, new HTC widgets. Compare them with your Gameboid, which one is more important.
Oh, and I'm quite sure many developers are working on 2.1 now, I think Gameboid will soon have a better performance.
(Why not try a psp as universal game machine? it run almost all previous game (including playstation1/Gameboy/FamilyComputer and so on..)according to me. Additionally Games drain your battery quite fast.)
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Whoa no way! THEY ARENT OFFICIAL!? I know lol..
2.1 has a few nifty things, but I think I'm going to wait for the official release, then use a ROM based off of that! I'm looking forward to the new kernel as well.
For now, gameboid is more important to me Only because I haven't beat Sapphire yet haha. I have a psp, but the convenience of having my phone all the time though is unbeatable MrBangs ROM I believe is incomparable to any other ROM out right now in terms of speed.
I don't really get what hardware acceleration is....is it when you turn your device in portrait mode/landscape mode? because i heard that Vegan Tab GingerEdition doesn't support hardware Acceleration
Hardware acceleration allows a hardware to operate faster than what the software can do. In the gtab, when we say hardware acceleration we are actually referring mostly to audio and graphics hardware acceleration.
Try to think of it this way. Suppose you are put into a maze and you want to get the other side. Without a map, you'd be wandering around until you get to the end. If you're smart, you can mark where you were, draw out a map as you go along, and even explore the maze in a pattern that allows you to find the route faster.
But wouldn't it be much easier if someone gives you the map of the maze and all you have to do is follow the map and voila you're done?
That's what hardware acceleration is. The cpu is sequential, performing one function at a time. Just the software alone isn't enough to optimize the hardware (audio and graphics). We need the drivers for them for optimization.
Unfortunately, those bastards at nvidia and google decided orphan harmony users barely 4 months after its release. Greedy corporate SoBs.
that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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Unfortunately, if you're referring to the viewsonic 7 incher HC tab, it's not exactly a sister of the gtab. The gtab is an adopted child and the 7 incher is a birth child.
And also unfortunately, if you're referring to the adam, NI didn't release a HC update from the google source code. They released a hacked version ripped from the transformer.
Just stick with froyo for now.
OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Can you recommend me some Froyo ROMs that are stable, fast, fully functional, and has good battery life?
Thanks.
Vegan 5.1.1 is an old rom but all the hardware works. Plants vs Zombies works, but Gun Bros doesn't (at least on mine).
problem with 5.1.1 is that there isn't much support going on and some of the code is outdated.
Over at slatedroid, I'm trying out Brilliant Corners (based on vegantab, but more updated kernel, etc) and so far its everything 5.1.1 offers and then some. Quite happy with it, and everything seems to run full speed.
When I was running Ginger roms a month ago, I happened to review a Samsung Galaxy tab 10 and some other tablets with the same tegra 2 chipset as ours. I was so disappointed in my G-tab, I didn't realize how slow it had gotten without HW acceleration. Since installing Brilliant Corners, I'm much happier with it.
Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Includes an updated kernel with overclocking ability, etc, built in. You could technically flash your own kernel to use with Vegan, but I think there are some more little bugfixes as well since someone is actively working on it. For example, when Netflix wasn't working on it (before the recent update), Roebeet was actively trying to find out what made it work in CM7 so that the changes could be applied to his roms. He eventually did release some patches to get it partially working. VeganTab doesn't get that kind of love at the moment.
Caulkin
Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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caulkin's rom has issue with sound in mobo player. sound is extremely small almost muted. because of this, i'm going to beasty rom and so far happy with it
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.
Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.
That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.
Let me know if you have specific questions.
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I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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Sounds close to the same thing I said except in a paragraph instead of a sentence!
The prime in its current honeycomb state, especially after this most recent update, is right on par with the UI fluidity of ipad1 or 2. as I own one also. I stayed with ipad1 because ipad2 wasn't a big enough jump all around to jusitfy dishing out for a new one. I have used the new ones extensively also though. I am constantly using my devices day n and day out so I have a good scope of how they compare. If you decide to get the Prime, it would be a great choice. there have been some issues that has arised for some people but overall doesn't affect everyone. going from ipad2 to a Prime would be a huge upgrade all around the board. definitely check out the various threads, good ones and bad one, and be the judge. you have my vote for getting the prime though. as an Ipad owner also, ipad1 or 2 can't compare because of the larger number of things and customizations that comes with Prime and Android. Apple puts out some great products but you have to live by their rules in their closed ecosystem. with Android, there is alot more freedom. you have to jail break I devices just to do half the things Android does right out the box. that's what sold me on Android. what sold me on the Prime was its Superior Display, best out of any tablet period, the great battery life, best out of any Android tab and on par with ipad2 battery life, superior specs-more powerful by far than anything out now and more than likely next few months down the road. then you have the perfectly integrated keyboard dock option which even has built in battery and extends battery life eveb further. no other manufacturer has been able to replicate that as good. plus Asus has a proven track record of putting out firmwares the fastest and keeps supporting devices.
good luck on deciding.
I just can't thank everyone enough for their kind and genuine responses..
This type of feedback is exactly what I was looking for.. I hate to admit it but I was not aware of the Opera browser. I tried Dolphin on the G-Tab which is very fast on my Photon and thought maybe it was related to the G-Tab. Now I know..
What I take from the responses is that ICS will certainly be something that will take advantage of the Primes true capabalitites. I am willing to give and take.. not one sided and understand that some things will be better and some not so much but the majority of my use is really plain browsing and e-mail. I don't do gaming at the moment so the real thing I want to maintain is a snappy browser and UI.
Sounds like I need to keep the Prime on the list for sure.. thanks again.. really could not ask for more than the true feedback here and not some bias article on the net.
Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL!!
Stan
ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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make sure to update device to latest system firmware. 33. it speeds things up and fixes alot of bugs.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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optimization is the name of the game. so far with most devices that have early builds of ICS on them, everything seems faster, so theoretically the prime should scream.
just a couple weeks and we'll see.
as to the OP's question, i've played with an ipad2 and owned an ipad1, i feel like with a few tweaks (change the launcher, use a different browser) the prime is just as fast if not faster than the ipad2 for most things even on HC.
iOS def has android beat when it comes to the amount of tablet optimized apps and games though, hopefully android will pick up the pace after ICS helps to unify the phone/tablet fragments. i am quite impressed with the tegra3 optimized games quality and fluidity though.
In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
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You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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Yes
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In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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Well, first reply not withstanding, I'm running Xrons 2.9.1 at 1.782GHz and it's as smooth as silk with no FCs, reboots or any other faults.
I had the opportunity of using an iPad and all I can tell you is that the iPad owner was looking a little sick when he tried mine!
I wouldn't swop what I have and when a stable fully working CM9 hits the streets it will only get better.
I've tested them side by side and while browsing Opera Mobile under XRON 2.9 @ 192mhz/1.5ghz (up threshhold @ 40%) the TP was about 80% as fast as the iPad 2 at general responsiveness (zooming, scrolling through pages on heavy sites), and a tie at loading pages - some loaded faster on the TP and vice versa.
I also tried the stock XRON browser, but it was too choppy and there was really no comparison.
Google Maps is much faster on the iPad 2 with less jumpiness and is overall just smoother.
Strangely, Google Earth feels much more fluid on the Touchpad with smoother zooming/panning and faster loading.
General responsiveness probably goes to the iPad 2, the home screen is just smoother and more responsive compared to every launcher I tried (VTL, ADW, SPB Shell 3D, Launcher Pro and a few others), and apps tend to open faster.
Netflix is much better on the iPad 2, video is sharper with less compression and scrolling is much smoother.. Not sure if it is playing HD but there is a noticeable difference for sure.
Things have changed quite a bit on ICS and it could be closer now.
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You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
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It's an Alpha build. If it were in Beta, or out of Beta, I'd consider it. But there are certain implications associated with the Alpha stages of software builds.
iPad 2's GPU outright slays all android devices, so as far as UI you're not going to find a device that even comes close that's out right now, including the Transformer Prime /:
I've heard good things about the Nexus Tablet though.....
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While I love my HP TouchPad I have to tell you that nothing can touch the current A5 CPU/GPU the iPad 2 uses. It's amazing to say the least. But the TouchPad is good for lots of other things
I've compared my TP (both WebOS and Alpha 3 CM7) to my cousin's iPad 2 and the browsing experience is much better on the iPad. But like sean said, if ICS were in beta or even out then it would be a close battle. I'm running an ICS beta on my Samsung Fascinate and it's the most beautiful rom I've ever played with. Hopefully the TP gets to that same level.
Its hard to compare since they are running 2 completely different operating systems and browsers. Chances are the iPad2 will be faster only because its running a stable OS (I'm not saying Android is unstable, just that its not OEM).
But with the Touchpad you get decent hardware for a lot cheaper and you can run CM.
I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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Thanks!
I find the ICS browser on the Touchpad to be great. Its the first all around great browser I've used in Android in terms of scrolling experience, UI, etc.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I more or less agree.
I've had few major problems with CM9a0.5. I'd say it is at least as stable as CM7, and WiFi has actually been more stable for me compared to XRON/CM7 (although still not perfect). And of course the "tablet" experience of ICS is worlds ahead of GB.
The biggest downside to CM9 is the lack of video acceleration therefore lack of Netflix/Youtube HD and high bitrate 720p/1080p videos.
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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Tykin said:
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ItsDon said:
ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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^^this
cm9 is just awsome. i wish i could get rid of the webOS part because it's a waste of space.
Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Probably not. Given the level of effort required for installation, maintenance, and learning the more technical side of things, she'd most likely stick with the iPad.
I dont know your work friend, but that's my guess.
People naturally think that because you managed to get the TP up and running with ICS, that it was worthless getting an iPad. But those people most likely are the same one's that don't have the knowledge to really enjoy the TP, not to mention put the effort into keeping it that way. And at the current state (not even to Alpha 1), it's no comparison.
i payed less than $100 for my touchpad............it now has ICS, it's as fast as any tablet on the market, and has great developmental support. why the hell would i want to pay $500 for another tablet? it's not just ipad, i had tossed around the idea of getting a transformer prime for a while and probably would have one if they weren't so hard to get. then ics hit the touchpad and well the rest is history. i'm happy now. but that's just me and my "$100 fast as hell ICS tablet" talkin.
The thing most people don't understand is if it's this close to an ipad WITHOUT hardware acceleration. It'll straight blow an ipad 2 out of the water when we get it. ICS is more like iOS in that it has hardware accelerated ui. Android never offered that before, which is why we have compensated with faster and more powerful processors up until this point.
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The flyer is great little tab with a razor tight res screen and plenty fast enough single core CPU.
But its also semi orphaned since its too old for HTC to be expected to devote resources to an ICS upgrade.
So its kind of weird where all the ROM Development has switched to Android 3.0 which the consensus says runs so unsatisfactorilly on a Flyer that devs have released downgrades back to Android 2.3.x
What a mess. Do the custom 3.0 ROMs fix the probs? If so why all the down grades.
Apologies if this was dealt with somewhere but I searched, a link to same much appreciated
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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For me i like HC. Its performance was always good on mine Flyer. I used Leedroid 4.3 ROM. Pen full suport. nice Sense 3.0. Tablet look, a lot more nice widget suported. However, bluetooth gsm calls r not suported. I am using flyer as phone as well so this was an isue for me. Not for ppl with wifi flers thow.
So atm downgraded on GB. BT calls works great. Pen ofc only suported in note. Look is more as a phone and sense isnt as nice as in HC. Less apps suported. Performance might be slightlly better but nothing of worth puting as pro or contra.
ATM w8ing on and keeping x fingers for ICS developers to solve all the starting isues.
I never bothered with HoneyComb. I saw that there was less app support in HC (for example no HBO Go, and no MaxGo) and I decided to at least wait until app support appeared (thus far it has not).
I probably won't bother with custom ROMS, as I'm very picky and have never found a custom ROM on any previous device of mine that didn't have a few bugs or hiccups.
For honeycomb, Senseless 4.0 is fast as hell. Chaos's AOKP ICS rom is even faster, but its in its early stages ATM, so be prepared for bugs. If your willing to deal with that, its a great rom!
Honestly, I don't like Gb to be used in the Flyer (I don't like to see my tablet like a "Monster Phone"). Hc custom rom like Leedroid and Senseless are fast, but not so smooth like Chaos's rom. If the Flyer is Your primary device I think Hc must be the solution, otherwise You can contribute to Ics development and debugging
(I must dust off my bad English... )
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to both, the HC ROMS work great as long as they are modified correctly, for example MY ROM works with a few init.d Scripts and a couple of RAM scripts and as far as i can tell it runs like a dream, at least not many bugs have been brought to my attention.
My personal opinion of GB ist that it makes the TAB look like a GIANT PHONE, and that just annoys me because it is not a giant phone its a TABLET
Anyway RANT OVER and POINT MADE
I can honestly say I'm done with gingerbread on my flyer now. It ran pretty solid but I hated the big phone feel. Using the Sense launcher and apps helped, but it didn't help the gingerbread appearance of the google apps like youtube, gmail, google search, gvoice, Gtalk, etc.
Being on stock honeycomb isn't terrible depending on what you use it for, but it is noticeably slower than gingerbread. And if you want to play graphic intensive games like shadowgun, modern combat, etc forget it on stock honeycomb. They'll run, and I guess they are technically playable but they lag and hit frame rate slowdowns constantly.
But as ioiwillioi said, honeycomb can be pretty solid with the right amount of tweaking and he's done just that. His roms are every bit as quick if not quicker than the gingerbread roms we have. Overall honeycomb is the better OS for the tablet, it just has the tablet feel. You feel more like your running an android powered computer, not a gigantic phone. Gingerbread and earlier versions of android were never meant to run on tablets.
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
I like the original HTC Sense interface
I like the additional connectivity of this device as a desk speakerphone via Google Voice (no phone plan needed!)
The device hardware was built for Gingerbread, not Honeycomb.
Honeycomb didn't bring any significant new usefulness to the device.
Unlike the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, this upgrade didn't open the door for flash support or any other key technology breakthrough (for most people).
I'd compare it to an upgrade from Windows XP to Vista, or Windows 98 to ME. Most people will prefer the former option.