In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
Singhman said:
In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
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You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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Singhman said:
In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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Well, first reply not withstanding, I'm running Xrons 2.9.1 at 1.782GHz and it's as smooth as silk with no FCs, reboots or any other faults.
I had the opportunity of using an iPad and all I can tell you is that the iPad owner was looking a little sick when he tried mine!
I wouldn't swop what I have and when a stable fully working CM9 hits the streets it will only get better.
I've tested them side by side and while browsing Opera Mobile under XRON 2.9 @ 192mhz/1.5ghz (up threshhold @ 40%) the TP was about 80% as fast as the iPad 2 at general responsiveness (zooming, scrolling through pages on heavy sites), and a tie at loading pages - some loaded faster on the TP and vice versa.
I also tried the stock XRON browser, but it was too choppy and there was really no comparison.
Google Maps is much faster on the iPad 2 with less jumpiness and is overall just smoother.
Strangely, Google Earth feels much more fluid on the Touchpad with smoother zooming/panning and faster loading.
General responsiveness probably goes to the iPad 2, the home screen is just smoother and more responsive compared to every launcher I tried (VTL, ADW, SPB Shell 3D, Launcher Pro and a few others), and apps tend to open faster.
Netflix is much better on the iPad 2, video is sharper with less compression and scrolling is much smoother.. Not sure if it is playing HD but there is a noticeable difference for sure.
Things have changed quite a bit on ICS and it could be closer now.
Varemenos said:
You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
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It's an Alpha build. If it were in Beta, or out of Beta, I'd consider it. But there are certain implications associated with the Alpha stages of software builds.
iPad 2's GPU outright slays all android devices, so as far as UI you're not going to find a device that even comes close that's out right now, including the Transformer Prime /:
I've heard good things about the Nexus Tablet though.....
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While I love my HP TouchPad I have to tell you that nothing can touch the current A5 CPU/GPU the iPad 2 uses. It's amazing to say the least. But the TouchPad is good for lots of other things
I've compared my TP (both WebOS and Alpha 3 CM7) to my cousin's iPad 2 and the browsing experience is much better on the iPad. But like sean said, if ICS were in beta or even out then it would be a close battle. I'm running an ICS beta on my Samsung Fascinate and it's the most beautiful rom I've ever played with. Hopefully the TP gets to that same level.
Its hard to compare since they are running 2 completely different operating systems and browsers. Chances are the iPad2 will be faster only because its running a stable OS (I'm not saying Android is unstable, just that its not OEM).
But with the Touchpad you get decent hardware for a lot cheaper and you can run CM.
I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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Thanks!
I find the ICS browser on the Touchpad to be great. Its the first all around great browser I've used in Android in terms of scrolling experience, UI, etc.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I more or less agree.
I've had few major problems with CM9a0.5. I'd say it is at least as stable as CM7, and WiFi has actually been more stable for me compared to XRON/CM7 (although still not perfect). And of course the "tablet" experience of ICS is worlds ahead of GB.
The biggest downside to CM9 is the lack of video acceleration therefore lack of Netflix/Youtube HD and high bitrate 720p/1080p videos.
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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Tykin said:
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ItsDon said:
ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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^^this
cm9 is just awsome. i wish i could get rid of the webOS part because it's a waste of space.
Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Probably not. Given the level of effort required for installation, maintenance, and learning the more technical side of things, she'd most likely stick with the iPad.
I dont know your work friend, but that's my guess.
People naturally think that because you managed to get the TP up and running with ICS, that it was worthless getting an iPad. But those people most likely are the same one's that don't have the knowledge to really enjoy the TP, not to mention put the effort into keeping it that way. And at the current state (not even to Alpha 1), it's no comparison.
i payed less than $100 for my touchpad............it now has ICS, it's as fast as any tablet on the market, and has great developmental support. why the hell would i want to pay $500 for another tablet? it's not just ipad, i had tossed around the idea of getting a transformer prime for a while and probably would have one if they weren't so hard to get. then ics hit the touchpad and well the rest is history. i'm happy now. but that's just me and my "$100 fast as hell ICS tablet" talkin.
The thing most people don't understand is if it's this close to an ipad WITHOUT hardware acceleration. It'll straight blow an ipad 2 out of the water when we get it. ICS is more like iOS in that it has hardware accelerated ui. Android never offered that before, which is why we have compensated with faster and more powerful processors up until this point.
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Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
When vista first came out, it was the latest and "greatest", and I was one of the first ones to "upgrade" to vista. After a week, I "downgraded" down to xp again because I was getting ready to throw my computer out the window with vista.
We know for a fact that honeycomb is buggy and laggy. It's not a 3.0 version. It's really a 1.0 version. Ginger lacks HW acceleration support.
Froyo, on the other hand, is fast, stable, and basically could do almost everything that ginger or honeycomb could.
As always, I highly recommend you sell your gtab and buy an ipad 2.
But really, do you value latest and "greatest" more than stability?
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Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
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I am not sure its correct to sum it like that, latest and greatest doesn't necessarily mean "unstable and slow".
Gingerbread based roms (though I can only personally speak for CM7) are as stable on my gtab as was any Froyo based rom. Overclocking on ginerbread is stable enough (@ 1.4ghz) that it certainly provides an acceptable HD video playback (even in the absence of hardware accelerated drivers on GB).
IMHO the way to move is forward, it might not as polished or as complete as what we currently have but it's certainly not unstable or slow as some might think (given that "forward" is within the limitations of our hardware). Without many of us adopting these upgrades it will never drive enough interest for developers to spend time polishing it and fixing the potential bugs.
Just my 2 cents,
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Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
As always, I highly recommend you sell your gtab and buy an ipad 2.
But really, do you value latest and "greatest" more than stability?
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I have no idea what others use their tabs for but for my own personal use (browsing on the couch, citrix work apps, ebooks, few games), the latest release of CM7 is stable enough for me. In fact, I really have no issues with it.
Is Apple paying for the free advert for iPad2? Who wants a tab without Flash content consumption? Who needs to be tied to iTunes? Google already has a good cloud service to plug into in their ecosystem. Where is Apple 's?
Since going to VeganGinger, Ive had practically zero qualms with it (atleast no more then Froyo). But did I go to it because its so much better and faster than Froyo? Not necessarily, unless we're talking the placebo effect. I moved to GB because it was the 'latest and greatest' and like aasoror put so eloquently thats the only way to move in the techy world. So what do I prefer latest/greatest or stability/speed? Both Who's to say I cant have my cake and eat it too?
As a side note: Vista IMO is a bad analogy here, mainly because it was $&%T and in MS's eyes merely a testing platform towards W7. And W7 is really just a stepping towards Midora, whereas Android's OS's (from what Ive learned in that past month atleast) are more of a particular flavor for each one which I'm falling in love with more every day
Ginger and honeycomb are why I got the gtab. To play with them. Oh, and it works well for actual use as a tablet, too.
Well guys i have been using this TP for about 2 weeks (I bought the 32GB with touchstone at the firesale price) and I must say its bad ass! Personally I think its a nice looking tablet and it feels good in the hand. It may not be the lightest but I personally dont really notice it " fituging my hand". Now let me say I have been using "Palm" for years and think WebOS is by far the best OS with the worst people behind it... but I digress. After the original Pri and all the promises "Palm" made about new hardware just to keep the loyal customers waiting I dropped them. I am now a loyal android user and am using my romed Epic 4g with no problems (waiting for that Galaxy S 2 to drop).
So after putting my TP to 1.5ghz this thing is an amazing tablet and as far as specs go there is not many duel care 1.5ghz 1gb or ram having tablets out there. Plus the GPU is pretty amazing (and I dont think we have even started to utilize it yet). So for 150 bucks I think I got a good deal. If they where to put honeycomb on it this thing would rock (not that I like HC more the WebOS but all the apps really make it worthwhile). Now my favorite thing by far is the Touchstone, I fell in love with it with the Pri and missed it with every phone since. Why no one else has "copied" it is beyond me (yea there is Power matt but its not even close). It is amazing, not only does it "look cool" but its nice to just set the phone/tablet down and not have to find cords to hook up. The feel of tablet of smooth and I really like it.. even better then the Xoom or Ipad2 (yes I have had both). But one of the best features is the "Beats Audio" speakers. This tablet really sounds amazing compared to any other tablet.
So I just wanted to share ... Thanks for reading.
[DISCUSSION] webOS - A Rock to be polished into a Diamond
I'm a cappy and touchpad owner. I don't feel the hype of android on touchpad. You guys take all that effort and money to make WebOs better. There are a handfull of tablets with android around but there's only one with WebOs. Isn't that unique. Make those hours count on something special, not on something
more of the same. Still, I love Android!
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I'm a cappy and touchpad owner. I don't feel the hype of android on touchpad. You guys take all that effort and money to make WebOs better. There are a handfull of tablets with android around but there's only one with WebOs. Isn't that unique. Make those hours count on something special, not on something
more of the same. Still, I love Android!
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I also managed to get a stupidly cheap touchpad and I have to say, I really don't know why webOS has been taking such a beating. Ok, the app support is very limited but I really like it, ok i've OC'd and tweaked a little but im more than happy with its performance. The only thing that I am missing is VNC and yes I know there is a VNC app in preware but it doesnt work on the touchpad, certainly not without a hardware keyboard anyway.
There are several website sites that just don't work on any of the android browsers I've tried but the touchpad handles them flawlessly. I have skype video which I can't get on Android either.
I'll be keeping webOS unless two things happen...
1) Android is available as a dual boot solution
2) There is no performance loss running Android
I feel the hype, but I'm not sure why...
I have a nook color that I ported to android. Yes, I understand that it does not even come close to the hardware in the touchpad but webOS is so much more fluid than gingerbread.
I really do miss all the available apps for android but also really like how webOS handles certain things, very easy to learn. Might have to hold out converting my touchpad over until they get honeycomb.
Wish some devs would put their effort into making apps for the touchpad. With so many sold, there is a good market there. I am willing to pay for apps, I think many people are, but really, there are no good ones right now.
Things the touchpad needs:
FTP client
Be able to connect to ad hoc networks (for tethering) my rooted OG droid only supports ad hoc for tether
Better Browser (firefox!) i'd even settle for an xscope or dolphin port! The browser is surprisingly severely lacking
There are so many more apps I could use but would settle for the above.
This probably isn't the right sub-forum, but I kind of agree. I also have a Nook Color with CM7 and am loving the slickness WebOS. The lack of apps is disappointing, but on the other hand a lot of Android apps are nothing impressive. I'm really not sure if I would put Android on the Touchpad if/when it's easily available (of course, I already have two other Android devices at home).
Like the above, ad hoc networking, some browser options or plugins, and personally a better PDF reader would be great (ezPDF on Android is nice), along with others. Hopefully since the market has grown from the fire sale, some devs will write or port more apps.
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The lack of apps is disappointing, but on the other hand a lot of Android apps are nothing impressive.
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There are far too many pointless apps out there both in the android market place and the store for that "i-thingy" that people are always harping on about
My needs are simple...
1) A web browser that works and has decent flash support - Check
2) Skype Video - Check
3) SSH Client - Check
4) VNC Client - FAIL
5) Occasional HD video playing (Kinda check)
I'm really hoping that a proper VNC client is developed, then I can forget about android.
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I also managed to get a stupidly cheap touchpad and I have to say, I really don't know why webOS has been taking such a beating. Ok, the app support is very limited but I really like it, ok i've OC'd and tweaked a little but im more than happy with its performance. The only thing that I am missing is VNC and yes I know there is a VNC app in preware but it doesnt work on the touchpad, certainly not without a hardware keyboard anyway.
There are several website sites that just don't work on any of the android browsers I've tried but the touchpad handles them flawlessly. I have skype video which I can't get on Android either.
I'll be keeping webOS unless two things happen...
1) Android is available as a dual boot solution
2) There is no performance loss running Android
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I agree with you guys that WebOs isn't that bad... However, I am going to port Android on mine for sure. The problem is the severe lack of apps. Developers are not going to want to develop for it since the Touchpads are dead. Yes they sold a crap ton of them in a matter of days but who wants to develop for an Os that will most likely be dead in a matter of years.
Something I would really like to see is a split keyboard like Thumb Keyboard or Swifkey Tablet. And Ad-Hoc Support would be nice too.
That's just my 2 cents.
Well my problem is that the SSL web login for my university wifi doesn't even work on the touchpad, which pretty much deem the tablet useless.
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I dunno if you knew about this, but WebOS natively supports USB-Host accessories. Look at that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRcvN50-nU (i am not the author, and not even an owner of touchpad yet)
it's on russian, but you can get the main idea: without any modifications, using microusb host cable and powered hub you can attach any USB KB to TP.
I have to say I agree with the OP in some sense. I'm an avid Android fan and I was once an avid windows mobile fan. WebOS seems like the marrying of Android, with its openness, and iOS, with its idiot proofness. I am excited about a dual boot but to be honest i won't see myself using android much on this tablet. I'm liking webOS more and more everyday.
i would actually want webOS with a sort of android app emulator if the apps is what you're after....otherwise i'm pretty happy with it, just wish someone would optimise the OS cuz i'm sure there's a lot of room for improvement
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I have to say I agree with the OP in some sense. I'm an avid Android fan and I was once an avid windows mobile fan. WebOS seems like the marrying of Android, with its openness, and iOS, with its idiot proofness. I am excited about a dual boot but to be honest i won't see myself using android much on this tablet. I'm liking webOS more and more everyday.
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I couldn't agree more, with the Touchpad updated to 3.0.2, overclocked to 1.8ghz on both cores and all the tweaks installed, it's a pretty good OS. I was looking ofrward to Android, now I think I'll stick with WebOS, or at most Dual-Boot, though as we've seen before, Android 2.3 doesn't work that fantastically on a tablet anyway...
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i would actually want webOS with a sort of android app emulator if the apps is what you're after....otherwise i'm pretty happy with it, just wish someone would optimise the OS cuz i'm sure there's a lot of room for improvement
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Did you load preware and overclock that helps smooth out the os quite a bit
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For me the 1990's era stock browser is the only major problem in the otherwise outstanding OS. I don't understand the logic of using such a basic featureless browser for such a critical aspect of the device.
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For me the 1990's era stock browser is the only major problem in the otherwise outstanding OS. I don't understand the logic of using such a basic featureless browser for such a critical aspect of the device.
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Yep. The awful browser and no alternatives is what makes webOS useless for me. Love the concept of the OS, but damn is it buggy. Have to reboot mine twice a day because the sound stops working. Haven't rebooted my iPad in over 3 months.
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I dunno if you knew about this, but WebOS natively supports USB-Host accessories. Look at that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRcvN50-nU (i am not the author, and not even an owner of touchpad yet)
it's on russian, but you can get the main idea: without any modifications, using microusb host cable and powered hub you can attach any USB KB to TP.
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Tried this with my USB Host cable I have for my Xoom and it doesn't work. It does however work beautifully on my Xoom .
Is there something I have to load on the Touchpad for it to Work?
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Yep. The awful browser and no alternatives is what makes webOS useless for me. Love the concept of the OS, but damn is it buggy. Have to reboot mine twice a day because the sound stops working. Haven't rebooted my iPad in over 3 months.
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I don't understand how people are saying the browser is awful? Maybe I just haven't experienced the issues people are having. It loads fast, it renders the internet just as a desktop would, flash works flawlessly. This is by far the best web browsing experience i've ever had. The only other thing i would want is tabs and a search function. I know advanced browser has this but advanced browser is super buggy.
I think webos can be a real competitor to the ipad, but many of the blogs I've watched seem to downplay the touchpad. I think a lot of people fear the touchpad is taking all the attention away from other tablets and gadgets. I've seen lots of hope with the Amazon tablet, but if HP comes back with another round of $99 touchpads all other tablets will be sitting on their butts.
It cannot be said enough, webOS is the most complete and most functional multitasking mobile OS out there. My wife has been a webOS fan and we just got 2 Touchpads and we love them, so do our kids. The ONLY thing missing are some key apps (Netflix, Googles) or this pad would be unbeatable which it almost is right now.
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I don't understand how people are saying the browser is awful? Maybe I just haven't experienced the issues people are having. It loads fast, it renders the internet just as a desktop would, flash works flawlessly. This is by far the best web browsing experience i've ever had. The only other thing i would want is tabs and a search function. I know advanced browser has this but advanced browser is super buggy.
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Ive posted about it elsewhere so I'll make it short. Doesn't render pages right. Glitches text rendering sometimes. No background downloading in background cards. Multiple cards open leads to the browser never re-sharpening the text when switching between them occasionally (25% of the time prob) until you close the card and reopen a new one. No search in page. Barely any customization. Slower than my Epic4g and iPad 1 at rendering and downloading webpages.
Flash works alright though. I don't really get what there is to like about the browser. It would be awesome if I didn't have an iPad or android phone to compare it to I guess.
I just made a video. Loading engadget. Single core 800mhz Ipad 1 on the left, Dual core 1.5ghz overclocked Touchpad on the right. iPad is using Safari and loading with ads and all and Touchpad has flash OFF and is using an ad blocker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmUyADNN4w
Pathetic performance by the Touchpad frankly.
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.
Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.
That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.
Let me know if you have specific questions.
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sdynak said:
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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Sounds close to the same thing I said except in a paragraph instead of a sentence!
The prime in its current honeycomb state, especially after this most recent update, is right on par with the UI fluidity of ipad1 or 2. as I own one also. I stayed with ipad1 because ipad2 wasn't a big enough jump all around to jusitfy dishing out for a new one. I have used the new ones extensively also though. I am constantly using my devices day n and day out so I have a good scope of how they compare. If you decide to get the Prime, it would be a great choice. there have been some issues that has arised for some people but overall doesn't affect everyone. going from ipad2 to a Prime would be a huge upgrade all around the board. definitely check out the various threads, good ones and bad one, and be the judge. you have my vote for getting the prime though. as an Ipad owner also, ipad1 or 2 can't compare because of the larger number of things and customizations that comes with Prime and Android. Apple puts out some great products but you have to live by their rules in their closed ecosystem. with Android, there is alot more freedom. you have to jail break I devices just to do half the things Android does right out the box. that's what sold me on Android. what sold me on the Prime was its Superior Display, best out of any tablet period, the great battery life, best out of any Android tab and on par with ipad2 battery life, superior specs-more powerful by far than anything out now and more than likely next few months down the road. then you have the perfectly integrated keyboard dock option which even has built in battery and extends battery life eveb further. no other manufacturer has been able to replicate that as good. plus Asus has a proven track record of putting out firmwares the fastest and keeps supporting devices.
good luck on deciding.
I just can't thank everyone enough for their kind and genuine responses..
This type of feedback is exactly what I was looking for.. I hate to admit it but I was not aware of the Opera browser. I tried Dolphin on the G-Tab which is very fast on my Photon and thought maybe it was related to the G-Tab. Now I know..
What I take from the responses is that ICS will certainly be something that will take advantage of the Primes true capabalitites. I am willing to give and take.. not one sided and understand that some things will be better and some not so much but the majority of my use is really plain browsing and e-mail. I don't do gaming at the moment so the real thing I want to maintain is a snappy browser and UI.
Sounds like I need to keep the Prime on the list for sure.. thanks again.. really could not ask for more than the true feedback here and not some bias article on the net.
Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL!!
Stan
ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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make sure to update device to latest system firmware. 33. it speeds things up and fixes alot of bugs.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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optimization is the name of the game. so far with most devices that have early builds of ICS on them, everything seems faster, so theoretically the prime should scream.
just a couple weeks and we'll see.
as to the OP's question, i've played with an ipad2 and owned an ipad1, i feel like with a few tweaks (change the launcher, use a different browser) the prime is just as fast if not faster than the ipad2 for most things even on HC.
iOS def has android beat when it comes to the amount of tablet optimized apps and games though, hopefully android will pick up the pace after ICS helps to unify the phone/tablet fragments. i am quite impressed with the tegra3 optimized games quality and fluidity though.
Just bought my tab 10.1 like a week ago, but as soon as I turned it on, I could noticeably see it run much slower than my Desire..
By slow, I mean the homepages take so long to rotate, bringing widgets or apps to homescreen or relocating them takes a few long seconds etc
the actual running of apps is not a problem
dunno.. dualcore, 1GB RAM.. thought it would make me wanna throw my phone away but it's completely the opposite atm..
Stock with all the apps loaded and the system not cleaned up, yes the tablet will be a lot slower, the displays anywhere will almost never give you the real experience because its soo overwhelmed with crap to show how fast it is. If you keep tasks killed via the Samsung task killer and don't just leave the tablet to fend for itself then it will be just as fast as your phone, for a faster than phone experiance, root, and install task 14 or overcome and your tablet will cruise and do so much more and fastern than your phone
At least we couldn't brick our cell phones back in the 80s ... they were already bricks
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My galaxy s2 feels like it's on par with my tablet on task ROM. Plays games and videos just as good
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Just bought my tab 10.1 like a week ago, but as soon as I turned it on, I could noticeably see it run much slower than my Desire..
By slow, I mean the homepages take so long to rotate, bringing widgets or apps to homescreen or relocating them takes a few long seconds etc
the actual running of apps is not a problem
dunno.. dualcore, 1GB RAM.. thought it would make me wanna throw my phone away but it's completely the opposite atm..
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I feel you dude, the tab is seriously slow on touch widz 3.1. Since its using the slowest dual core, the tegra 2.
My sgs2 is much faster in every way. Even apps are smoother.
Flash overcome rom made it much better since its upgraded to 3.2.
But still slower than a phone.
Finally the kang ics rom made it on par in terms on UI smoothness.
Sorry you receive so much bad comments here. Most people don't feel the pain.
After spending so much money, naturally we expect the best experience out of the box.
Sgs2 is great, superbly smooth without the need of any mod or custom roms.
But the tab out of the box experience is just bad.
Don't be a whiner, you already bought the tab, learn the flash custom rom and you'll be happy,
Despite being slower than sgs2, I still prefer using the tab as bigger screen is really much comfortable for browsing.
@Ray1, It isn't the whole idea of raging at someone over a touch device, Hell even the first Glofish/Windows based touch phones were slow as HELL, I just feel that people have forgotten what it's like to have, I don't know, patience?
Sure it's a smart device, but also realize that the loading is based on how much information it has to process, Compare a 4" screen to something that is 10" it's like comparing Windows 95 and Windows XP, In a 4" device you would have everything served asap only because the DPI is lesser compared to the tablet, I feel that your comparison of the fastest smartphone in the market at the moment versus the tablet which was supposed to be an upgrade of the 7" tablet is somewhat unfair. I guess some people can't learn to appreciate, and it's all about bringing up the "car theory" of what is the fastest.
Just so you know, no offence in any of this, but the tablet was built to handle ICS. If the Google Nexus was running HC or Gingerbread, you would even rage at how horribly slow it is. Don't blame the system for being slow, blame the OS, just a minor update, Smartphones had the evolution of smoothness from Eclair>Froyo>Gingerbread where as tablet's are still in their first era of figuring out its era of smoothness, however ICS is the perfection of what HC had failed to provide and they just didn't care about pushing it out onto the next HC update because it would be pointless to try and fix something that was way past it's testing phase, better example would be trying to upgrade a Windows XP when you have an i7, you wouldn't touch the XP now that you have an i7 now would you?
@Benzo I completely agree with you on your POV
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@xcly - Yes you are right it seems. Many smartphones are faster than tablets.
My wife's Droid (something) I can't remember the model, I just tested switched screens instantly while my tablet takes a second to render the graphics and move to a different screen. Sorry you're disappointed with your purchase.
My starting post:
Is this where that rant was?
Must have got reported and deleted.
So we can complain, but not complain about the complaining? Now that makes my day. LOL
What a double standard. But, still makes me laugh.
EDIT: Looks like this "is" where several posts got deleted, not just my own, because we "complained" with reason based explanations about posts complaining about bananas not being as red as apples. 'nuff said.
@ The Mod who removed my post(s) I send a thank you because it showed how old people get grumpy and vocal sometimes when they disagree with what's being stated.
@Misledz - It appears your latest post doesn't agree with the OP and gives reasoning. So I might expect it to be gone soon too. As will this one probably will be also. I'm off to bed.
get cm9
You should definitely try out the cm9 pre alpha build, my tablet was equally as slow, almost unbearably, to the point where there was lag when using the keyboard. But cm9 is quick and speedy and if you don't mind losing the camera on ur tab for awhile definitely worth the update.
ah well at least i know i'm not alone in this tablet slowness :/
you know.. i would've rooted it the first second i got it out of the box but it's not just for my own use so really don't have a choice on flashing a better ROM
will probably have to get meself a new phone instead lol
Tablets are also pushing more pixels than a phone with the same processor hence the UI lag
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Compare a 4" screen to something that is 10" it's like comparing Windows 95 and Windows XP, In a 4" device you would have everything served asap only because the DPI is lesser compared to the tablet, I feel that your comparison of the fastest smartphone in the market at the moment versus the tablet which was supposed to be an upgrade of the 7" tablet is somewhat unfair.
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its been awhile since i check this thread.
seems that some post were deleted. lol...
seeing how long post gets deleted, i shall keep my opinions as brief as possible.
excuse for tab10 being slow due to big screen resolution is invalid.
galaxy note and tab 7.7 similar resolution, but they are very smooth with no lag.
great experience out of the box.
reason: they use the exynos chipset similar to sgs2.
the performance is great. such as loading apps, actually running them, scrolling, rotating. there is virtually no lag.
My hate here, and rant, is mainly towards NVIDEA and their hopelessly weak procerssor and GPU. tegra2 is failure, tarnish android image. so sad that all first gen tablet uses it. makes majority average users feel android is slow.
lets make playing field fair and compare base on category.
tablet: tab7.7 powns tab10.1 and every other tegra2 tab out there. benchmark and real life usage.
phones: sgs2 powns lg optimus 2x and motorola atrix(use tegra2 as well). if want to be more fair, just compare optimus 2x, since atric has qhd screen.
i always knew tab10.1 use tegra2, but i still bought it thinking there isn much difference(i was so naive at that time). but its really really bad. HC makes it even worst. as the thread starter mention, its really a shame tab slower than phone.
look at the competition. i'm not apple fan, but i admit it, ipad2 is just soooo smooth and fast. (of cos it has its limitation and weakness), but over all user experience is smooth. the tab10.1 in the out of the box state is just.....sad.(dont want to elaborate).
i'm not a whiner. since i spend so much $$ for it.
i force myself to learn about rooting, and flashing rom. now on kang ICS, the performance is in the acceptable range.
tegra2, the first dual core, also the weakest and slowest.
tegra3, first quad core. but i'm not interested, will wait and see what TI and samsung offer.
take a look how tegra 3 get powned by TI's dual core.
being the first does not guarantee good performance.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/watch-a-pa...thrash-the-tegra-3-in-a-lenghty-browser-test/
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its been awhile since i check this thread.
seems that some post were deleted. lol...
seeing how long post gets deleted, i shall keep my opinions as brief as possible.
excuse for tab10 being slow due to big screen resolution is invalid.
galaxy note and tab 7.7 similar resolution, but they are very smooth with no lag.
great experience out of the box.
reason: they use the exynos chipset similar to sgs2.
the performance is great. such as loading apps, actually running them, scrolling, rotating. there is virtually no lag.
My hate here, and rant, is mainly towards NVIDEA and their hopelessly weak procerssor and GPU. tegra2 is failure, tarnish android image. so sad that all first gen tablet uses it. makes majority average users feel android is slow.
lets make playing field fair and compare base on category.
tablet: tab7.7 powns tab10.1 and every other tegra2 tab out there. benchmark and real life usage.
phones: sgs2 powns lg optimus 2x and motorola atrix(use tegra2 as well). if want to be more fair, just compare optimus 2x, since atric has qhd screen.
i always knew tab10.1 use tegra2, but i still bought it thinking there isn much difference(i was so naive at that time). but its really really bad. HC makes it even worst. as the thread starter mention, its really a shame tab slower than phone.
look at the competition. i'm not apple fan, but i admit it, ipad2 is just soooo smooth and fast. (of cos it has its limitation and weakness), but over all user experience is smooth. the tab10.1 in the out of the box state is just.....sad.(dont want to elaborate).
i'm not a whiner. since i spend so much $$ for it.
i force myself to learn about rooting, and flashing rom. now on kang ICS, the performance is in the acceptable range.
tegra2, the first dual core, also the weakest and slowest.
tegra3, first quad core. but i'm not interested, will wait and see what TI and samsung offer.
take a look how tegra 3 get powned by TI's dual core.
being the first does not guarantee good performance.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/watch-a-pa...thrash-the-tegra-3-in-a-lenghty-browser-test/
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Completely agree. Nvidia is the main problem with HC tablets. Remove tegra 2 and instantly awsome tablet
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I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 with MIUI.
I have a P7500 3G with CM9 KANG ICS.
I have used both for web browsing and I did see my phone as faster until I set my CPU of my tablet to 1.4ghz.
It really has made a difference and my tablet browsing is awesome and quick.
I would also try using the Google Chrome Beta Browser. It makes web browsing a dream
Is there any way of speeding up the scrolling between homescreens? I prefer not to root.
Also for me the speed is disappointing. Used to the Ipad and Galaxy S2.
Without widgets it is somewhat faster but widgets is the nr. 1 reason to go for Android.
Huib
Wow this thread is over a year old now lol. You can't do much without rooting I'm afraid..
Disable all system apps you don't use and see if that makes any difference. Otherwise, it's root and freeze more apps or flash custom roms.
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just was given a hp tp. i currently own a ipad 1. i want to sell one of the... the ipad will sell for more. How does a hp tp on cm9 compare? iIuse the ipaf for web browsing and YouTube only.. sometimes hulu and a couple games.
The best thing I like is the battery. iI charge it onceevery few weeks. It just never dies. how does the tp compare?
keep whichever you are happier with
touch pad for the win. tp with cm9 blows the doors off a first gen ipad hands down. there isnt even room for argument. i can go into all the specifics and details but just do the right thing and sell the icrap.
Agreed!
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if battery life is a big deal and you don't do much with a tablet.. keep the ipad.. you will not be happy with battery of the hptp
I can't stand Apple products because of their restrictions and how the company is run (patent trolls), so I'd probably take a TP over an iPad 4 (if I had to use them and couldn't sell). But from a neutral point of view here is my opinion.
The 1st iPad is not receiving updates anymore, its stuck on iOS 5. But there is a vast library of apps that will run on it but I'm not sure how the Apple ecosystem works with unsupported devices. Meaning if an app gets a new version that requires iOS6 is the iOS5 version still available or does it get pulled, on Android its up to the dev. Officially the Touchpad is also done receiving updates and WebOS has a lot fewer apps than iOS. Its great for Youtube and web surfing as both WebOS and Android have Adobe Flash. Flash Android and you'll get many more apps but it won't be as stable of an OS so you may have to deal with some random reboots and battery drain, but its not that bad.
For pure hardware, the Touchpad is much better than the 1st iPad. It has much more RAM, a camera, and a dual core processor. If you want something with a stable OS and a lot of apps keep the iPad. If you want something that runs a stable OS with limited apps plus the ability to boot other ROMs with more apps and customizability, go for the Touchpad. For me, half the fun of the Touchpad/Android is the ability to tinker and customize.
Stick with the ipad, it'll feel faster. While the hardware in the TP is better than the ipad 1, Apple really has the 60fps-everything-drawn-by-GPU thing going for it, which makes everything else feel dirt slow in comparison. Better specs don't mean much when the experience is subpar.
I think the iPad 1s have had statistically better scores on graphics benchmarks compared to many of the top performing android tablets, probably because of it's software and anti-multitask (don't quote me on that). If you don't want to think too much or love the 3rd party support keep the iPad. But the touchpad does wonders for the price since it has better hardware besides graphics. Plus with camera almost fully functional on cm9 you can oovoo and stuff
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Stick with the ipad, it'll feel faster. While the hardware in the TP is better than the ipad 1, Apple really has the 60fps-everything-drawn-by-GPU thing going for it, which makes everything else feel dirt slow in comparison. Better specs don't mean much when the experience is subpar.
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I'd disagree. The Touchpad is very quick and smooth. I wouldn't say it feels like dirt compared to an iPad 1. Far from it.
If you want a 100% "no thought no effort" experience, stick with the iPad. The TouchPad still has some "quirks" though it is 99% there.
If you prefer more free apps and Google's services, then you're a Droidhead and you'll put up with that 1% of "issues" and keep the TouchPad.
The big advantage to the touchpad is dual booting, webos and Android.
You won't get good battery life in android, but you will in webos.
There are still cm9 nightlies being put out for the touch pad, even though now they are more like weeklies. Dorregaray has put out a camera patch that works with the official nightlies, so now you have a camera available for Android.
If all you'll be using it for is emails, websurfing and video watching, I would recommend the touchpad. You can do all that perfectly well in webos and have a great battery life. If you want a better selection of apps, then use android, even though the battery life won't be as good.
You need to know more techie stuff with the touch pad, whereas the iPad just works, as the apple adds say. But I enjoy the touch pad much more than the iPad. I have access to 2 touch pads and 2 iPads, so I have compared them before.
Whatever decision you make you'll be fine. They're both good tablets.
Good luck.
the dual boot webos/droid is a big advantage, as previously stated.
when im home i use droid for all features.. networking, printers etc..but battery life is bad..
if i take hptp out, i use webos to use the internet, email internet radio etc..
plus, i have kalemsoft player to let me access my home pc media to watch movies etc... and still get good battery life..i can video skype ..
I tried to keep up with WebOS but after a year or so I just gave up. I haven't booted to WebOS in some time now. I own an iPhone 4 and two Android Tablets. I've come to prefer the flexibility that Android give you and have been able to do anything I do on my iPhone on my tablets. If all the OP is doing is what they described, it doesn't really matter what tablet they keep but it's nice to know that there is still custom ROM development going on with the HP Touchpad and I personally think it is a lot more fun to own a tablet that keeps me interested in development, flashing new ROM's and keeping up with the forums.
Stick with iPad 1 and just jailbreak for added functions
I say get sell the ipad ... iOS has become so basic if u happen to be under 13 stick with the basics that apple gives you with their cheap hardware but I got to give it to them they know how to make a lot out of their products... I personally will sell both and get a galaxy note 10 or a Asus transformer
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sell both of them, acquire ipad2 or an asus tf300 lol. I'm an android guy, but I do recognize that the ipad is very smooth and really good for people who don't like to tinker, or aren't very tech savvy. My parents have an ipad2 and it's still a very good tablet, and its buttery smooth.
The asus tf300 prices are dropping fast, and a really good bargain for what you get (micro SD slot, quad-core tegra 3, fast updates from asus, good screen). If you like to tinker a bit, you'll like the tf300.
CM9 has gotten so mature on the Touchpad I sold my iPad3 for it.
twentythreemx said:
iIuse the ipaf for web browsing and YouTube only.. sometimes hulu and a couple games.
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Pretty basic needs-
1) iOS Safari will feel pretty smooth and is quite fast- the stock AOSP browser for CM9/10 is also quite good (nice features like incognito / auto-login / request desktop site). You also have other options on Android (Dolphin is fastest, has nice gestures. Chrome has nice sync features, seems a little buggy though (may have been fixed in yesterday's update).
2) The Android Youtube app is phenomenal far superior to anything available on iOS (Protube doesn't come close).
3) Games run surprisingly well on the Touchpad. Check out Dead Trigger- you will be impressed!
twentythreemx said:
The best thing I like is the battery. iI charge it onceevery few weeks. It just never dies. how does the tp compare?
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Battery isn't bad. I would say its definitely not the iPad's equal, but its reasonable and the Touchstone is very nice.
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So to answer your question, based on your needs and my experience I would sell the iPad. Install -SGA-'s custom ROMs or try out Jelly Bean. The community's dedication to the HP Touchpad has really won me over to Android. Very impressed to say the least.
If optimized (supercharged, 1.5ghz, 30-40% up threshold in setcpu) the Touchpad with CM10 will completely outperform the 1st iPad in general web browsing, it is much closer to (even surpassing) the iPad 2. Not to mention it has 4x the amount of ram of the iPad 1 and 2x the amount of the iPad2, that means more tabs and apps open without reloading when switching from app to app.
The app store is an advantage for the iPad as there are still a lot more apps compared to the Play store. Also, the battery on the Touchpad is not going to come close to any iPad.
I know that benchmarks don't usually mean much but here are a few anyway..
1.7ghz PA 2.99
And to compare with a recent some recent tests by Toms Hardware and AnandTech
The Touchpad has really improved over the last few months.
pbassjunk said:
Stick with the ipad, it'll feel faster. While the hardware in the TP is better than the ipad 1, Apple really has the 60fps-everything-drawn-by-GPU thing going for it, which makes everything else feel dirt slow in comparison. Better specs don't mean much when the experience is subpar.
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This has been almost completely fixed with JellyBean.
twentythreemx said:
just was given a hp tp. i currently own a ipad 1. i want to sell one of the... the ipad will sell for more. How does a hp tp on cm9 compare? iIuse the ipaf for web browsing and YouTube only.. sometimes hulu and a couple games.
The best thing I like is the battery. iI charge it onceevery few weeks. It just never dies. how does the tp compare?
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I like my touchpad as I have an android phone so I can use all the same google apps on both abd don't mind putting the tp on the charger every other day. My brother and his wife both have macbooks and iphones so they took their touchpads back and purchased ipads.