I don't really get what hardware acceleration is....is it when you turn your device in portrait mode/landscape mode? because i heard that Vegan Tab GingerEdition doesn't support hardware Acceleration
Hardware acceleration allows a hardware to operate faster than what the software can do. In the gtab, when we say hardware acceleration we are actually referring mostly to audio and graphics hardware acceleration.
Try to think of it this way. Suppose you are put into a maze and you want to get the other side. Without a map, you'd be wandering around until you get to the end. If you're smart, you can mark where you were, draw out a map as you go along, and even explore the maze in a pattern that allows you to find the route faster.
But wouldn't it be much easier if someone gives you the map of the maze and all you have to do is follow the map and voila you're done?
That's what hardware acceleration is. The cpu is sequential, performing one function at a time. Just the software alone isn't enough to optimize the hardware (audio and graphics). We need the drivers for them for optimization.
Unfortunately, those bastards at nvidia and google decided orphan harmony users barely 4 months after its release. Greedy corporate SoBs.
that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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Unfortunately, if you're referring to the viewsonic 7 incher HC tab, it's not exactly a sister of the gtab. The gtab is an adopted child and the 7 incher is a birth child.
And also unfortunately, if you're referring to the adam, NI didn't release a HC update from the google source code. They released a hacked version ripped from the transformer.
Just stick with froyo for now.
OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Can you recommend me some Froyo ROMs that are stable, fast, fully functional, and has good battery life?
Thanks.
Vegan 5.1.1 is an old rom but all the hardware works. Plants vs Zombies works, but Gun Bros doesn't (at least on mine).
problem with 5.1.1 is that there isn't much support going on and some of the code is outdated.
Over at slatedroid, I'm trying out Brilliant Corners (based on vegantab, but more updated kernel, etc) and so far its everything 5.1.1 offers and then some. Quite happy with it, and everything seems to run full speed.
When I was running Ginger roms a month ago, I happened to review a Samsung Galaxy tab 10 and some other tablets with the same tegra 2 chipset as ours. I was so disappointed in my G-tab, I didn't realize how slow it had gotten without HW acceleration. Since installing Brilliant Corners, I'm much happier with it.
Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Includes an updated kernel with overclocking ability, etc, built in. You could technically flash your own kernel to use with Vegan, but I think there are some more little bugfixes as well since someone is actively working on it. For example, when Netflix wasn't working on it (before the recent update), Roebeet was actively trying to find out what made it work in CM7 so that the changes could be applied to his roms. He eventually did release some patches to get it partially working. VeganTab doesn't get that kind of love at the moment.
Caulkin
Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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caulkin's rom has issue with sound in mobo player. sound is extremely small almost muted. because of this, i'm going to beasty rom and so far happy with it
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Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
When vista first came out, it was the latest and "greatest", and I was one of the first ones to "upgrade" to vista. After a week, I "downgraded" down to xp again because I was getting ready to throw my computer out the window with vista.
We know for a fact that honeycomb is buggy and laggy. It's not a 3.0 version. It's really a 1.0 version. Ginger lacks HW acceleration support.
Froyo, on the other hand, is fast, stable, and basically could do almost everything that ginger or honeycomb could.
As always, I highly recommend you sell your gtab and buy an ipad 2.
But really, do you value latest and "greatest" more than stability?
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Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
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I am not sure its correct to sum it like that, latest and greatest doesn't necessarily mean "unstable and slow".
Gingerbread based roms (though I can only personally speak for CM7) are as stable on my gtab as was any Froyo based rom. Overclocking on ginerbread is stable enough (@ 1.4ghz) that it certainly provides an acceptable HD video playback (even in the absence of hardware accelerated drivers on GB).
IMHO the way to move is forward, it might not as polished or as complete as what we currently have but it's certainly not unstable or slow as some might think (given that "forward" is within the limitations of our hardware). Without many of us adopting these upgrades it will never drive enough interest for developers to spend time polishing it and fixing the potential bugs.
Just my 2 cents,
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Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
As always, I highly recommend you sell your gtab and buy an ipad 2.
But really, do you value latest and "greatest" more than stability?
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I have no idea what others use their tabs for but for my own personal use (browsing on the couch, citrix work apps, ebooks, few games), the latest release of CM7 is stable enough for me. In fact, I really have no issues with it.
Is Apple paying for the free advert for iPad2? Who wants a tab without Flash content consumption? Who needs to be tied to iTunes? Google already has a good cloud service to plug into in their ecosystem. Where is Apple 's?
Since going to VeganGinger, Ive had practically zero qualms with it (atleast no more then Froyo). But did I go to it because its so much better and faster than Froyo? Not necessarily, unless we're talking the placebo effect. I moved to GB because it was the 'latest and greatest' and like aasoror put so eloquently thats the only way to move in the techy world. So what do I prefer latest/greatest or stability/speed? Both Who's to say I cant have my cake and eat it too?
As a side note: Vista IMO is a bad analogy here, mainly because it was $&%T and in MS's eyes merely a testing platform towards W7. And W7 is really just a stepping towards Midora, whereas Android's OS's (from what Ive learned in that past month atleast) are more of a particular flavor for each one which I'm falling in love with more every day
Ginger and honeycomb are why I got the gtab. To play with them. Oh, and it works well for actual use as a tablet, too.
Just got my G Tablet... wondering what the best ROM is to install on this thing? seems like there are sooo many different options!!!
Fortunately, you're right, there are tons of options...
Unfortunately, everyone will give you the same answer, "It's up to you."
I know it's a cop out, but it's really true. I suggest that you search for some videos on youtube of the different roms. Reviewers more than likely have used different ones and will give decent reviews, as well as why they stuck with the one they are on, currently.
One MAJOR decision is whether to stay with the 1.1 bootloader, ot update to the 1.2 bootloader. Robeets worked hard at getting most of the 1.1 Roms translated to the 1.2 branch. So, if you prefer TNT lite (1.1), then go for Mountain Laurel (1.2). Vegan 5.1.1 (1.1) flash brilliant corners (1.2).
When I got mine, it came with Tnt lite installed. I didn't care ofr it much, so I flashed Vegan 5.1.1. I used it for about 3 weeks, then did the update procedure and flashed Brilliant Corners, and haven't looked back. It's stable, everything but hardware acceleration works (but that doesn't work on any Rom at this point)
If you want to go with the honecomb development, then you need to be on 1.2 bootloader. Put it this way. There are 2 major "styles" of rom that you will NOT be able ot use on 1.2, they are Vegan Ginger, and CM7. There is one "style" of rom that you can NOT use on 1.1, that being Honeycomb (Bottle of Smoke)
Pretty muc all other popularly used roms can exist on one or the other in their specific arrangements.
When I did the update process, it required me to flash to the stock 4349 update, and to be perfectly honest, it really wasn't that bad. You can apply market fixes to it, to pretty much make it fully functional. It's not a bad starting point if you want ot play around, and get used to the tablet before jumping to a new rom. it will also give you a chance to figure out what you do and don't like about the stock setup, and what you'd be looking for in a custom rom.
That's the most diplomatic I can be, but once again, ultimately, it's all up to you.
Just got my last Thursday. Spent the entire weekend playing around.
Started at VeganGinger but I just found it to be a little unstable but I loved the speed. Also has some video issues and since this was primarily for my kids to watch movies while on the go that was not acceptable.
Went back to VeganTab 5.1.1 and loved it. Extremely stable and everything worked but I really missed GingerBread.
Finally took the plunge to CM7 nightly last night and I can't find any problems so far. Very stable and I love all the tweaks for tablets. Video works great. HD video in youtube starts off a little shaky for the first few seconds but stabilizes after a few seconds. Other movies play great in rockplayer and ASOP video player.
I like to stay a little more on the bleeding edge than leading edge with ROMs but I am just not ready for 1.2/HoneyComb yet. It looks awesome but I think they have a few more bugs to work out before the noobs like me jump on.
Hope this helps.
Depends on what you want to use the tablet for. I am just using mine to play around with - a new toy and a first time android user.
In 2 weeks, I have installed VEGAn-TAB Ginger and then moved on to CM7 to get netflix app working and now on the Honeycomb alpha.
Of these, I liked CM7 as it seemed to be more stable. Not a whole lot wrong with Vegan-tab ginger either. Both will run fine if you want to use it daily. The HC alpha is unstable but fun, and a work in progress.
Cheers to all the devs who work on all these ROMs. Great job
Watch some of the videos in the stickied topic in this general forum. Good idea what you are getting into.
What did you do to go from Vegan Ginger to CM7
Is there a link with a step by step instructions to move from Vegan Ginger to CM7? It is not clear what we have to clear. Do we need to wipe data as well as dalvich and partition?
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Is there a link with a step by step instructions to move from Vegan Ginger to CM7? It is not clear what we have to clear. Do we need to wipe data as well as dalvich and partition?
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I was hoping to do something similar.. from Vegan Froyo to CM7 but I've been putting it off
I use Brilliant Corners. Was on Vegan 5.1.1 first then Calkulin/Clemsyn and I'd have to say BC is my favorite out of the bunch. It's on the other forums, PM me if you don't know what I'm talking about. I'll probably be trying Honeycomb out once it hits beta.
sorry for the newbie question.. but what does all this mean.. Honeycomb, Gingerbread, Froyo, etc.?
they are nicknames given to the versions of the Android Operating system. equate them to 3.1, 97, 2000, XP, Vista, or 7 for Windows.
Froyo is version 2.2
Gingerbread is version 2.3
Honeycomb is version 3.0
If you see a tablet, or phone for sale that says it has Android version 2.2, then it's using the "Froyo" version.
Honeycomb is the first, and only (so far) Android operating system specifically designed with Tablet's in mind. All others are phone based.
There is a rumor that Google is designing an Android OS that will be a hybrid phone/tablet OS, it's rumored to be version 2.4.
The ultimate goal for the G-Tablet is to get a stable hardware accelerated honeycomb rom onto it. It would be the natural fit since the G-tab is a tablet, of course.
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you may now be asking, why don't all tablets use honeycomb, then.
The answer is, android tablets predate honeycomb. You might notice, if you flash Vegan5.1.1 for instance, that the dock on the right side contains a "phone" button. that's because the Froyo OS was designed for phones, not tablets. you can remove the icon, but it will still maintain scripts for phone function, though it can't actually be used as a phone.
This is where there is actually an advantage for iUsers. iTunes contains sections for iPods, iPhones, and iPads. You can download an app designed for an iPhone, and run it on an iPad, but it will only be seen on a small portion of the screen, but centered. You can resize it, but you'll lose some clarity in the image. However, you'll be unable to download an iPad app for your iPod, becuase it's specifically designed for the iPad.
In the Android market, there aren't any distinctions between 10" tablets, 7"tablets, or phones. you may download an app, thinking you can play it (try spiderman HD for instance) It will install, and work, but the image only takes up a 4" portion of the screen. The buttons are all out of whack, it's not centered, and you can't resize it. It's made for phones, and ONLY phones, but there's no way of knowing until you've tried it. Likewise, the reason we need to do market fixes and tweaks, is because hte market doesn't recognize the G-Tablet as a 10" tablet. So most tegra games will not show on the market. You need to trick the market into thinking that you have something different.
Getting a rom specifically designed for tablets is a step in the right direction for making the G-Tablet perform up to it's potential.
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Is there a link with a step by step instructions to move from Vegan Ginger to CM7? It is not clear what we have to clear. Do we need to wipe data as well as dalvich and partition?
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You probably should, but I didn't and have no problems.
where do I find these ROMs and the install instructions for them? I'm thinking I'm going to try CM7 first..
I went from Stock 3588 rom to Vegan 5.1.1 to CM 7.0.3. I really like CM7 it seems much more responsive I was concerned about the lack of hardware video drivers for the Ginger based ROMs but to be honest I have not had a problem and Netflix run very well on CM7 which was a big factor for me switching to CM7 from Vegan. I installed CM7 from CWM did the usual factory reset/delete user data and clear cache and it loaded fine. I am looking forward to a stable HoneyComb ROM
I figure you are asking for our opinion and not the absolute universal truth, so my opinion is that stock derivatives are the best. Only missing the tabs for text selection. Particularly, Calkulin's version is pretty good, and the one further refined by Clemsyn with overclocking which is the most solid performer I came across.
Check in the Dev section for the links.
did the latest CM7 nightly build today.. works good..
I had to manually download and install GAPPS and also do the Flash Player install and the marketplace fix. but now it works..
and I didn't know that the stock video player sucked.. so I had to download MoboPlayer.. seems to work for most download videos online..
when you click a video online like say a .avi or .mpeg it loads right up in MoboPlayer now.. is there a way to make it load from the web broswer into VPlayer or something else? everything goes to MoboPlayer now... and although MoboPlayer seems to play 90% of the videos... there are some that still don't play and only seem to play in VPlayer...
Anyone have any suggestions to this question, now that we're a few months further down the road?? Hopefully some of you have gotten a chance to load many of them and settle on one that you like best. I just got a gTablet (BL1.2), and can't wait to get CWM and a good ROM on this thing! So, at the present time, which are the most stable ROMs out there? I am looking for a Honeycomb based one specifically. Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
HC rom is not stable right now, due to the fact that HW acceleration and etc is not supported really well. It really boils down to two choices in HC rom, flashback or Gtabcomb. Flashback is still updated, while developer of gtabcomb has abandoned the rom, thus no more update. However, as so far i know , gtabcomb is more stable than flashback.
HC will have HW acceleration and have 3.2 ported, as talented folks are still porting .36 magical kernel to gtab. It's not yet complete, maybe another month or two?
As for stable roms, go for froyo. Calkulin and Clemsyn ver 6 froyo rom is fast, (1.5Ghz overclock), but it might result to overheat, thus you might want to tweak the clockspeed (doable in setCPU).
For gingerbread, go for vegan tab 7.10. Quite stable . the only deal killer is that pandora is not working well on Vegan.
In the end, it still boils down to choice of what u want
I have settled with the Beast 2.2.1 rom BL 1.2. I have figured that it is the only one that can display HBO go properly. The only down fall is that the front camera doesn't work, but don't use it anyways. Trying different things with it and everything seems to work perfect with it. It is a froyo based rom, but with a little display changes it displays exactly like VeganTab 7.0. I was even able to change the bootloader to the VeganTab Gingerbread.
Ok, so I tried the new netflix .apk on the stock G-tablet rom, and it would refuse to play video.
I had seen people mention it working perfectly on Cyanogen Mod 7, so I picked up the most recent stable CM7, and flashed it. Works great. But I'm noticing the Tablet is a bit slower in other areas now- Just heard that Gingerbread and our display drivers are having trouble with acceleration?
So, I'd like the speed of a Froyo rom, but are any compatible with Netflix?
By default CM7.0.3 is under clocked. Go to Settings/Performance and adjust Max CPU to say 1.2GHz or even 1.4GHz. And your tablet will be working even faster then stock Froyo ROM.
someboy on another website got Netflix working on Brilliant Corners. He's now working on getting it to work on Vegan-Tab (since they are essentially the same)
unfortunately, the green bar at the bottom is still present, but he's attempting to tweak it to get it to go away. He spent about 2 hours yesterday getting Netflix ot stream video...give him a week and I suppose it will more than likely be perfected.
Of course, you won't find any information about this here on XDA...
I actually dropped a post on the VEGAn thread (it does work there, as well). And I'm going to sporatically post here - I think enough time has passed, and things are a little less crazy than they were a month back - at least as far as I can tell.
Caveats are the green bar and strange color banding - this is essentially a hack of the libs in stock 3588 that somehow make Netflix work. Also, I've heard that the hack breaks the YouTube app, so it's certainly not perfect.
But, if you have to have your Netflix, I guess it's better than nothing at all. I'm not sure if this is fixable because I don't even know why the 3588 libs work in the first place.
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someboy on another website got Netflix working on Brilliant Corners. He's now working on getting it to work on Vegan-Tab (since they are essentially the same)
unfortunately, the green bar at the bottom is still present, but he's attempting to tweak it to get it to go away. He spent about 2 hours yesterday getting Netflix ot stream video...give him a week and I suppose it will more than likely be perfected.
Of course, you won't find any information about this here on XDA...
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roebeet posted the fix here too in the vegan tab 5.1.1 thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14491114&postcount=1680
I'm happy just to see him post on xda again.
edit: nevermind, the man himself beat me in my slowness.
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But, if you have to have your Netflix, I guess it's better than nothing at all. I'm not sure if this is fixable because I don't even know why the 3588 libs work in the first place.
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Yes, I'm aware of the green line and color shift problem, I have that on my LG Optimus as well. But something CM7 does seems to fix that completely (on the Optimus, too). I've heard it has to do with the way the LCD is accessed, but I have no idea.
So as far as "better than nothing", CM7 runs it PERFECTLY. But I'm not happy with the overall speed of the device. Perhaps I'll look into overclocking as was suggested earlier here. Still, even with the overclock I've heard that CM7 (or rather, gingerbread) lacks hardware acceleration, which means I'd be overclocking and using more juice just to keep up, wouldn't it?
"Better than nothing at all" meaning on a modded Froyo ROM, not CM7.
Some people had asked for this given that 3588 stock was known to work (with the color issues), so I spent several hours yesterday trying to figure out why.
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So as far as "better than nothing", CM7 runs it PERFECTLY. But I'm not happy with the overall speed of the device. Perhaps I'll look into overclocking as was suggested earlier here. Still, even with the overclock I've heard that CM7 (or rather, gingerbread) lacks hardware acceleration, which means I'd be overclocking and using more juice just to keep up, wouldn't it?
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As I understand problem with Netflix - inside Netfilx.apk there are somewhat 5 different native libs/players to support different hardware. When there is a time to stream movie - java front-end (UI) just launches one of them accordingly.
It's happened that CM7.0.3 DRM/OMX stack fulfilled one of the players requirements (actually the second one - libnetflix_device2.so), so it does streaming fine.
There is no way, somebody would disassemble one of those 5 players and make it work on general hardware without source code and/or deep knowledge about Netflix streaming protocol - that would be kind of hacking Netflix protocol... well, may be it's possible but VERY VERY non trivial.
This will leave us a one of two possibilities:
first one, wait for Netflix to support more hardware... I cannot tell that they anxious to support even legit Android HC tablets such as Xoom, Transformer, Samsung 10.1 I/O...
second, make that DRM/OMX stack happened on particular hardware by joggling with libs from another Android device where Netflix is working...
Speaking about CM7.0.3 - I was on a fence regarding hardware acceleration. But all I lost since I have flashed CM7 - ability to play 1080p wmv/wma coded video.
All HD contents I have, usually have AC3/DTS sound tracks in them and those does not have hardware decoder, so I'm forced to use software decoder anyway and it does fine on 720p.
Btw, difference in current consumption is not that big of a deal... I would say it's about 30-40mA when CPU is doing software decoding vs. hardware. Or it's about 10-12% (300mA vs. 330mA).
I hope all of that will help to make informative decision.
Thanks for all the helpful responses.
Wondering if there are any updates on this yet- any froyo roms play netflix as well as cm7 yet? I see netflix updated their app, but doesnt seem to be supporting more devices.
Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
Only froyo has full he acceleration.
Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
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You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
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Or just generously donate to Rayman .. he is getting there sooner than later.
Well that looks awesome, is hey on xda at all or should I be signing up for an account over there?
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Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
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I'm on Caulkulin+Clemsyn Combo v6 (Froyo) and mine runs Galaxy on Fire 2 perfectly.
This rom is working for me fantastically as well- played the game for an hour last night smooth as can be reminds me of old school "free lancer"
GoF worked fine on Stock and now it works on Vegan 5.1.1.
Could you have some resourse-intensive background app that needs to be killed?
Think you misread- ive got it working fully in a 2.2 rom (c+c) ...
Was wondering about this:
http://tabletroms.com/forums/showthread.php?1525-Umodified-Honeycomb-on-Kernel-2.6.36-Updated-23-07-2011
If i was to take a stock, unmodified HC rom from perhaps a acer500 as rayman did- would it boot at all on the gtablet?
I figure they are all, at their core built to run android...
Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Soft brick. Unless the software tells the hardware to do something destructive, you can't harm the hardware with software.
Many have tried to just put the image straight from other HC devices into this. Will not run without some tweekings.
Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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I wouldn't bother with it right now, seriously, there is those out there who will seamlessly port it as soon as its in good shape.
Righto' will let it be, thanks for the information
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
martin88ca said:
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I noticed that as well and wasn't sure what he meant, getting full HC hardware acceleration would have garnered bigger fanfare.
martin88ca said:
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I would take that with a grain of salt,
This isn't the first time some claims were made about this ROM that turned out to be false later
How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
chmcclellan said:
How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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Illuminate claims that it is the most stable Honeycomb ROM, so I'd give it a try first.
The only issue I have with Illuminate is My Locations (through Wifi) doesn't work in Google Maps.
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Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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FlashBack is very, very nice. It's stable, fairly speedy (despite the lack of HW accel in all HC gTab ROMs), all the software I want runs on it although I'll admit my list is short and only includes a few games.
The flyer is great little tab with a razor tight res screen and plenty fast enough single core CPU.
But its also semi orphaned since its too old for HTC to be expected to devote resources to an ICS upgrade.
So its kind of weird where all the ROM Development has switched to Android 3.0 which the consensus says runs so unsatisfactorilly on a Flyer that devs have released downgrades back to Android 2.3.x
What a mess. Do the custom 3.0 ROMs fix the probs? If so why all the down grades.
Apologies if this was dealt with somewhere but I searched, a link to same much appreciated
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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For me i like HC. Its performance was always good on mine Flyer. I used Leedroid 4.3 ROM. Pen full suport. nice Sense 3.0. Tablet look, a lot more nice widget suported. However, bluetooth gsm calls r not suported. I am using flyer as phone as well so this was an isue for me. Not for ppl with wifi flers thow.
So atm downgraded on GB. BT calls works great. Pen ofc only suported in note. Look is more as a phone and sense isnt as nice as in HC. Less apps suported. Performance might be slightlly better but nothing of worth puting as pro or contra.
ATM w8ing on and keeping x fingers for ICS developers to solve all the starting isues.
I never bothered with HoneyComb. I saw that there was less app support in HC (for example no HBO Go, and no MaxGo) and I decided to at least wait until app support appeared (thus far it has not).
I probably won't bother with custom ROMS, as I'm very picky and have never found a custom ROM on any previous device of mine that didn't have a few bugs or hiccups.
For honeycomb, Senseless 4.0 is fast as hell. Chaos's AOKP ICS rom is even faster, but its in its early stages ATM, so be prepared for bugs. If your willing to deal with that, its a great rom!
Honestly, I don't like Gb to be used in the Flyer (I don't like to see my tablet like a "Monster Phone"). Hc custom rom like Leedroid and Senseless are fast, but not so smooth like Chaos's rom. If the Flyer is Your primary device I think Hc must be the solution, otherwise You can contribute to Ics development and debugging
(I must dust off my bad English... )
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to both, the HC ROMS work great as long as they are modified correctly, for example MY ROM works with a few init.d Scripts and a couple of RAM scripts and as far as i can tell it runs like a dream, at least not many bugs have been brought to my attention.
My personal opinion of GB ist that it makes the TAB look like a GIANT PHONE, and that just annoys me because it is not a giant phone its a TABLET
Anyway RANT OVER and POINT MADE
I can honestly say I'm done with gingerbread on my flyer now. It ran pretty solid but I hated the big phone feel. Using the Sense launcher and apps helped, but it didn't help the gingerbread appearance of the google apps like youtube, gmail, google search, gvoice, Gtalk, etc.
Being on stock honeycomb isn't terrible depending on what you use it for, but it is noticeably slower than gingerbread. And if you want to play graphic intensive games like shadowgun, modern combat, etc forget it on stock honeycomb. They'll run, and I guess they are technically playable but they lag and hit frame rate slowdowns constantly.
But as ioiwillioi said, honeycomb can be pretty solid with the right amount of tweaking and he's done just that. His roms are every bit as quick if not quicker than the gingerbread roms we have. Overall honeycomb is the better OS for the tablet, it just has the tablet feel. You feel more like your running an android powered computer, not a gigantic phone. Gingerbread and earlier versions of android were never meant to run on tablets.
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
I like the original HTC Sense interface
I like the additional connectivity of this device as a desk speakerphone via Google Voice (no phone plan needed!)
The device hardware was built for Gingerbread, not Honeycomb.
Honeycomb didn't bring any significant new usefulness to the device.
Unlike the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, this upgrade didn't open the door for flash support or any other key technology breakthrough (for most people).
I'd compare it to an upgrade from Windows XP to Vista, or Windows 98 to ME. Most people will prefer the former option.