Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
Only froyo has full he acceleration.
Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
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You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
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Or just generously donate to Rayman .. he is getting there sooner than later.
Well that looks awesome, is hey on xda at all or should I be signing up for an account over there?
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Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
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I'm on Caulkulin+Clemsyn Combo v6 (Froyo) and mine runs Galaxy on Fire 2 perfectly.
This rom is working for me fantastically as well- played the game for an hour last night smooth as can be reminds me of old school "free lancer"
GoF worked fine on Stock and now it works on Vegan 5.1.1.
Could you have some resourse-intensive background app that needs to be killed?
Think you misread- ive got it working fully in a 2.2 rom (c+c) ...
Was wondering about this:
http://tabletroms.com/forums/showthread.php?1525-Umodified-Honeycomb-on-Kernel-2.6.36-Updated-23-07-2011
If i was to take a stock, unmodified HC rom from perhaps a acer500 as rayman did- would it boot at all on the gtablet?
I figure they are all, at their core built to run android...
Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Soft brick. Unless the software tells the hardware to do something destructive, you can't harm the hardware with software.
Many have tried to just put the image straight from other HC devices into this. Will not run without some tweekings.
Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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I wouldn't bother with it right now, seriously, there is those out there who will seamlessly port it as soon as its in good shape.
Righto' will let it be, thanks for the information
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I noticed that as well and wasn't sure what he meant, getting full HC hardware acceleration would have garnered bigger fanfare.
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I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I would take that with a grain of salt,
This isn't the first time some claims were made about this ROM that turned out to be false later
How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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Illuminate claims that it is the most stable Honeycomb ROM, so I'd give it a try first.
The only issue I have with Illuminate is My Locations (through Wifi) doesn't work in Google Maps.
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FlashBack is very, very nice. It's stable, fairly speedy (despite the lack of HW accel in all HC gTab ROMs), all the software I want runs on it although I'll admit my list is short and only includes a few games.
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Not sure if this belongs in Q&A but I'm looking for guidance. I just purchased the G Tab and I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed. Screen I can deal with, no rear camera I can deal with, it's the lack of hardware acceleration that bothers (I don't know how I missed this). I'm considering returning this item and possibly waiting for the new Acer to be in stock somewhere. I would just keep the Viewsonic if hardware acceleration were looking likely. What do you guys think? Wait or return? Looking for some guidance from my community
The day I can run 2.3+ and play videos without issues will be a happy day
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Not sure if this belongs in Q&A but I'm looking for guidance. I just purchased the G Tab and I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed. Screen I can deal with, no rear camera I can deal with, it's the lack of hardware acceleration that bothers (I don't know how I missed this). I'm considering returning this item and possibly waiting for the new Acer to be in stock somewhere. I would just keep the Viewsonic if hardware acceleration were looking likely. What do you guys think? Wait or return? Looking for some guidance from my community
The day I can run 2.3+ and play videos without issues will be a happy day
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HW acceleration exists in the Froyo roms - this should have been something you discovered in the first 10 minutes of browsing around here and elsewhere on teh internets prior to purchase.
If you need HW acceleration, just run a Froyo custom rom - slap any of the nice tablet launchers on it, put in an OC kernel, and hey presto you're good to go on the video front. Or, use rockplayer's software decoding with an OC kernel, and most stuff will playback smoothly.
Some HW acceleration is trickling out in the CM7 codebase, there's no reason to think that eventually it won't get there sooner or later. Mostly later.
The "last year's technology + enthusiast hackers" path isn't for everyone. No shame in that - if you want out of the box HC with full hardware support, just return the gtab, and get one.
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HW acceleration exists in the Froyo roms - this should have been something you discovered in the first 10 minutes of browsing around here and elsewhere on teh internets prior to purchase.
If you need HW acceleration, just run a Froyo custom rom - slap any of the nice tablet launchers on it, put in an OC kernel, and hey presto you're good to go on the video front. Or, use rockplayer's software decoding with an OC kernel, and most stuff will playback smoothly.
Some HW acceleration is trickling out in the CM7 codebase, there's no reason to think that eventually it won't get there sooner or later. Mostly later.
The "last year's technology + enthusiast hackers" path isn't for everyone. No shame in that - if you want out of the box HC with full hardware support, just return the gtab, and get one.
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Thanks. I am currently running a froyo rom which I did discover quickly I just love my gingerbread. I didn't know that software acceleration was being committed to cm7. Im running an oc kernel know which launcher pro and am pretty happy with the combo, just hoping to not be stuck here: )
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I didn't know that software acceleration was being committed to cm7.
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limited HW accel in CM7.0.2 reported here on XDA - a couple days ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1049398
It probably won't be too long before Nvidia releases HW acceleration for Gingerbread. I've enjoyed mine since December and with VEGAn Tab Ginger RC1 + Clemsyn 1.5gHZ kernel... it rocks!!
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Not sure if this belongs in Q&A but I'm looking for guidance. I just purchased the G Tab and I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed. Screen I can deal with, no rear camera I can deal with, it's the lack of hardware acceleration that bothers (I don't know how I missed this). I'm considering returning this item and possibly waiting for the new Acer to be in stock somewhere. I would just keep the Viewsonic if hardware acceleration were looking likely. What do you guys think? Wait or return? Looking for some guidance from my community
The day I can run 2.3+ and play videos without issues will be a happy day
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If you can get passed the screen, I would say keep. Few questions to ask yourself.
What type of vids are you planning to play? Are we talking about blu-ray rips? Do you really need 2.3? What features of 2.3 are you needing that 2.2 doesn't have?
If I were answering the above questions, I would keep it. Because I'm happy with the 2.2 based ROMS. All the vids I have put on my gtab play fine. The highest resolution that my vids are converted to is 720p and there are not many. I'm happy with how all my videos look on my gtab.
I believe the CM team is making great progress with GB and I believe they are doing this without any help form Nvidia or Viewsonic. I could be wrong.
Buuuuuuut....if you really like the Acer then I would consider it.
The reviews on the other tablets have not been stellar. Problems with lack of apps and honeycomb in general have led to the so so reviews. Dolphin hd browers runs hbo go without a hitch, stock browers couldn't without stuttering. Hardware xcelleration is not that far off in the distance if you can wait. Running vegan ginger stable and it has been awesome.
Thanks for the advice without flames This is exactly the feedback I was looking for. I especially didn't know CM was making soooo much progress. I'm going to stick around, but if it weren't for XDA this thing would be going back
I mostly rip movies and watch youtube videos which has greatly improved since switching to Vegan Froyo. I live there for a while.
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Ok, so I tried the new netflix .apk on the stock G-tablet rom, and it would refuse to play video.
I had seen people mention it working perfectly on Cyanogen Mod 7, so I picked up the most recent stable CM7, and flashed it. Works great. But I'm noticing the Tablet is a bit slower in other areas now- Just heard that Gingerbread and our display drivers are having trouble with acceleration?
So, I'd like the speed of a Froyo rom, but are any compatible with Netflix?
By default CM7.0.3 is under clocked. Go to Settings/Performance and adjust Max CPU to say 1.2GHz or even 1.4GHz. And your tablet will be working even faster then stock Froyo ROM.
someboy on another website got Netflix working on Brilliant Corners. He's now working on getting it to work on Vegan-Tab (since they are essentially the same)
unfortunately, the green bar at the bottom is still present, but he's attempting to tweak it to get it to go away. He spent about 2 hours yesterday getting Netflix ot stream video...give him a week and I suppose it will more than likely be perfected.
Of course, you won't find any information about this here on XDA...
I actually dropped a post on the VEGAn thread (it does work there, as well). And I'm going to sporatically post here - I think enough time has passed, and things are a little less crazy than they were a month back - at least as far as I can tell.
Caveats are the green bar and strange color banding - this is essentially a hack of the libs in stock 3588 that somehow make Netflix work. Also, I've heard that the hack breaks the YouTube app, so it's certainly not perfect.
But, if you have to have your Netflix, I guess it's better than nothing at all. I'm not sure if this is fixable because I don't even know why the 3588 libs work in the first place.
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someboy on another website got Netflix working on Brilliant Corners. He's now working on getting it to work on Vegan-Tab (since they are essentially the same)
unfortunately, the green bar at the bottom is still present, but he's attempting to tweak it to get it to go away. He spent about 2 hours yesterday getting Netflix ot stream video...give him a week and I suppose it will more than likely be perfected.
Of course, you won't find any information about this here on XDA...
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roebeet posted the fix here too in the vegan tab 5.1.1 thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14491114&postcount=1680
I'm happy just to see him post on xda again.
edit: nevermind, the man himself beat me in my slowness.
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But, if you have to have your Netflix, I guess it's better than nothing at all. I'm not sure if this is fixable because I don't even know why the 3588 libs work in the first place.
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Yes, I'm aware of the green line and color shift problem, I have that on my LG Optimus as well. But something CM7 does seems to fix that completely (on the Optimus, too). I've heard it has to do with the way the LCD is accessed, but I have no idea.
So as far as "better than nothing", CM7 runs it PERFECTLY. But I'm not happy with the overall speed of the device. Perhaps I'll look into overclocking as was suggested earlier here. Still, even with the overclock I've heard that CM7 (or rather, gingerbread) lacks hardware acceleration, which means I'd be overclocking and using more juice just to keep up, wouldn't it?
"Better than nothing at all" meaning on a modded Froyo ROM, not CM7.
Some people had asked for this given that 3588 stock was known to work (with the color issues), so I spent several hours yesterday trying to figure out why.
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So as far as "better than nothing", CM7 runs it PERFECTLY. But I'm not happy with the overall speed of the device. Perhaps I'll look into overclocking as was suggested earlier here. Still, even with the overclock I've heard that CM7 (or rather, gingerbread) lacks hardware acceleration, which means I'd be overclocking and using more juice just to keep up, wouldn't it?
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As I understand problem with Netflix - inside Netfilx.apk there are somewhat 5 different native libs/players to support different hardware. When there is a time to stream movie - java front-end (UI) just launches one of them accordingly.
It's happened that CM7.0.3 DRM/OMX stack fulfilled one of the players requirements (actually the second one - libnetflix_device2.so), so it does streaming fine.
There is no way, somebody would disassemble one of those 5 players and make it work on general hardware without source code and/or deep knowledge about Netflix streaming protocol - that would be kind of hacking Netflix protocol... well, may be it's possible but VERY VERY non trivial.
This will leave us a one of two possibilities:
first one, wait for Netflix to support more hardware... I cannot tell that they anxious to support even legit Android HC tablets such as Xoom, Transformer, Samsung 10.1 I/O...
second, make that DRM/OMX stack happened on particular hardware by joggling with libs from another Android device where Netflix is working...
Speaking about CM7.0.3 - I was on a fence regarding hardware acceleration. But all I lost since I have flashed CM7 - ability to play 1080p wmv/wma coded video.
All HD contents I have, usually have AC3/DTS sound tracks in them and those does not have hardware decoder, so I'm forced to use software decoder anyway and it does fine on 720p.
Btw, difference in current consumption is not that big of a deal... I would say it's about 30-40mA when CPU is doing software decoding vs. hardware. Or it's about 10-12% (300mA vs. 330mA).
I hope all of that will help to make informative decision.
Thanks for all the helpful responses.
Wondering if there are any updates on this yet- any froyo roms play netflix as well as cm7 yet? I see netflix updated their app, but doesnt seem to be supporting more devices.
Ok, been floating around here for months... I've tried most of the roms out there..
Right now I'm using Cyanogen 7...
It works great, it's fast, 99% of everything works... except... the camera and HW video acceleration...
Which rom should I use if I want 100% of the device to work.
If I switch over to a Vegan 5 rom, the cam works, but then my 32 gig sd card doesn't show up....
So, I'm asking for someones opinion...
What is the best 100% working rom... Plus'es and Minus'es on it, work-arounds?
I can bounce around in a file manager and get things off the sd card, but the kids and wife can't... that's why I haven't stuck with Vegan 5...
Any help/opinion would be great.
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Tim
Get "Camera Fun" from marketplace. Works fine on a Gtab using C M 7.
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Rooted stock.
But for family friendly use, its hard to beat. After the market fix that is.
Or VEGAN Ginger 7.0
I am back on rooted 4349 because the kids can use it. VEGAN Ginger seems 40% faster than stock though.
That's what I am/was leaning towards, however I can't figure out how to have the system load from my 32 gig sd instead of the internal...
The kids have movies that eat up the internal rather quickly
Thanks for the reply.
Tim
But netflix works on cm 7 and not on vegan. Cm 7 is the most advanced
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CM7.1 RC1
works the best just replace the DSPmanager with the one from nightly 83
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CM7.1 RC1
works the best just replace the DSPmanager with the one from nightly 83
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Gets my vote too, everything works great: Netflix, YouTube, games like asphalt 6 etc.
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But netflix works on cm 7 and not on vegan. Cm 7 is the most advanced
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Netflix works on vegan GE now with a little tweaking. Check out this helpful post. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15147560&postcount=13
C7 better than caulk Clemson v6? I never used CM7. what are the major pros for cm7. This is my first rom. Thx
ONLY a froyo rom will work 100%, since that's the only android source that is available to work from. Ginger and HC are frankensystems, taking code from here and there to get a working OS.
I'm on Calk/Clem v6 1.2 bootloader and everythign is working fine. You'll get hardware acceleration, you'll have a working camera, you'l have access to SDcard. you won't have Netflix, but honestly, people, is the selection of netflix movies that stream really that great? Besides that, you'll need a wifi connection to stream them anyway. You mentioned that you have movies on the SD, then do you really need netflix? I only ever access netflix at home, through my Wii, so, no need for it on the tablet.
besides...check out "megaviewer pro"
Agreed 100 % with Calkulin/Clemsyn combo. Used it for a while until I tried Beasty2.2.a/Clemsyn combo on 1.2bl and stayed there since. Same if not better, and can play PlantsVsZombies.
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ONLY a froyo rom will work 100%, since that's the only android source that is available to work from. Ginger and HC are frankensystems, taking code from here and there to get a working OS.
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See, that's what I thought so I've been looking for a good Froyo rom, but apparently now everyone is going gaga about Vegan GE. Folks claim its just as fast as the froyo edition (most forms of HW acceleration are now working, aside from HD playback if I understand correctly).
Also, wasn't a HC rom released last week for one of the sister tablets to our G-tab (think it was the Adam)? That should mean native driver support for HC.
But honestly, now I don't know what to think, and since I share this tablet with my wife and kids, I can't afford to go testing all the roms out there to find a good one.
you won't have Netflix, but honestly, people, is the selection of netflix movies that stream really that great? Besides that, you'll need a wifi connection to stream them anyway. You mentioned that you have movies on the SD, then do you really need netflix? I only ever access netflix at home, through my Wii, so, no need for it on the tablet.
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See, I hate it when people say that. That's what people say when they want to justify their choices and just accept the lot given to them. Remember when iOS users said they don't really need MMS because they have email? Or that they really didn't need multitasking? But when they got all those things, suddenly they turned from "who needs that" to "look what the iPhone can do!". How many iOS users say they don't really need flash anyway, and secretly loathe that we can do it and they can't?
I'm glad you are happy streaming netflix with your wii. Do you remember last year when that didn't work yet? Every day I would check and see "Coming Soon" on their website. Did you feel like "meh, I don't need it on my Wii- I have it on my laptop!"?
Meanwhile, netflix was actually one of the deciding factors to get a tablet. Right now, when we go on family trips we pack light and bring a netbook for casual browsing and mini-movies. Until I saw netflix running on the G-tablet via a youtube demo a couple of months ago, I didn't consider replacing it with a tablet as an option.
So, you might even say this is rather critical for some people. Heck, I've been stuck on CM7 all this time, which I don't particularly like, for this very reason. Just think before you say stuff like that, you know? Especially if you want folks to trust your opinion.
I got my gtab mostly for watching downloaded videos, web browsing, some gaming. My first rom upgrade was vegan-tab ginger edition. Did not play videos as well as I hoped(choppy). Had some minor issues with sound. I switched to calk/clem ver 5 and videos are smooth and most video players work. I'm not into neflix, but Hulu, Flash, slingplayer, all work. It may not be the best rom, but it works for me.
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I got my gtab mostly for watching downloaded videos, web browsing, some gaming. My first rom upgrade was vegan-tab ginger edition. Did not play videos as well as I hoped(choppy). Had some minor issues with sound. I switched to calk/clem ver 5 and videos are smooth and most video players work. I'm not into neflix, but Hulu, Flash, slingplayer, all work. It may not be the best rom, but it works for me.
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I'd guess that is because of the lack of HW acceleration in Ginger. Seriously, why is everyone running away from Froyo roms? ::scratches head:: what am I missing?
Meanwhile, does calk/clem support BT keyboards? I have a BT keyboard that is working great on the ginger roms I've tried. A little scared it won't work in Froyo...
@Dishe:
The netflix account I use isn't even mine, it's my stepfathers. He got it a while back, to get videos in the mail. Then he started streaming to his laptop. He gave me his password so that I could get it on my Wii. Since then, about Christmas time, I think I may have watched one complete movie at home. I just have never found their selection of streaming videos to be that great that it was an application that I absolutely needed. I usually download movies from ThePirateBay.org and watch them with my netbook connected to my TV.
So, for Me, Netflix isn't an application that I will justify not having by downplaying it. I didn't have it 7 months ago on anything. I tried it, and really couldn't find anything to like about it. When my stepfather offered my his account, I seriously thought that I would be able to rid myself of the over 300 DVDs that I own, because "I could just stream anything on Netflix." Well, I started searching their library for movies that I own, and pretty much none of them were available. So, I can be 100% sure that not having it on my G-Tablet isn't a justification of not being able ot have it. It's a realization that I hardly ever use it on a device that it runs flawlessly on, so it's not remotely necessary on a device that it might be able to run on.
I downloaded Megaviewer pro, which also streams videos, and it can actually find nearly every movie I search for.
I did take my g-tablet on a mini-vacation last week. I had "kidvideos" (good for cartoons for the little ones) and Megaviewer installed on it. I can honestly say that my son never even asked if he could watch a movie on it. The only time we could even consider it was when there was a network around that I could log into, anyway. So, you're anchored, and the selection is minimal.
MAybe if we had 3G capabilities, it might be worth it. But right now, the only place I can stream videos is at home, where netflix works fine on the 52 inch screen...rather than the 10 inch one.
for your BT question...I don't have one to test, but my BT GPS does work on it.
Edit: Oh, and why is everyone running away from Froyo....because it's old news. The tablet community is all about the latest and the greatest. Why did everyone want Vista when XP worked just fine? It's just a mentality that the newest product must be the best product. I never understood it either. I've been using Froyo since getting my tablet, and never even considered Gingerbread, knowing it's limitations. The basis of my opinion is that our devices came with Froyo, has drivers for Froyo, and works 100% with Froyo...
and yes, I'm still on XP, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Fair enough on the netflix thing. But other people love netflix streaming- myself included. I catch up on old TV shows and randomly pick new movies to watch. Something I forgot to mention is that its nice having it on the Tablet because sometimes there's a movie my wife doesn't care for, so I can watch it on my own anywhere instead of hogging the TV or computer. Its nice to watch it on a tablet from bed or the couch or places a laptop would be awkward to use.
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Edit: Oh, and why is everyone running away from Froyo....because it's old news. The tablet community is all about the latest and the greatest. Why did everyone want Vista when XP worked just fine? It's just a mentality that the newest product must be the best product. I never understood it either. I've been using Froyo since getting my tablet, and never even considered Gingerbread, knowing it's limitations. The basis of my opinion is that our devices came with Froyo, has drivers for Froyo, and works 100% with Froyo...
and yes, I'm still on XP, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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See, I just had this conversation with someone in another thread!
Sometimes newer is better- Froyo brought JIT, voice search, and other great features and performance enhancements. Now it works great, and is exactly what our devices came with! But moving on to an unsupported rom just because its newer is EXACTLY like XP to Vista, IMO!
I love to trick out my machine, but at the end of the day I want it to work the best it possibly can. Vista didn't do that, so I stuck with XP until Windows 7 (which, btw, is a fantastic and worthy upgrade from XP). The same is true of tablets, however without continued support from Viewsonic, or Froyo roms from the community (and l0rd knows I don't have the time to pick up development myself anymore), I feel like certain bugs will never get fixed. Skype 2.0, btw, will apparently work with video chat on Gingerbread enabled devices with cameras (not on G-tablet yet, but with Galaxy working within hours of announcing the new Skype, I think it might soon). Between that and Netflix, I'm really not sure what I'd rather anymore.
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Skype 2.0, btw, will apparently work with video chat on Gingerbread enabled devices with cameras (not on G-tablet yet, but with Galaxy working within hours of announcing the new Skype, I think it might soon). Between that and Netflix, I'm really not sure what I'd rather anymore.
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Actually, skype video only work for ONE specific android device. This is not a bug. This is corporate incompetence.
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Actually, skype video only work for ONE specific android device. This is not a bug. This is corporate incompetence.
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Someone hasn't been reading the news...
http://techcitement.com/mobile/skype-2-0-for-android-brings-video/
Dishe...The XP to Win7 analogy is fitting here. Let's take my tiny little Acer Netbook here. Supposedly, it's not able to run win7, due ot hardware limitations. That's exactly the case with the G-Tablet.
Now, if Acer were to develop a way (drivers and such) that I was able ot run Win7, then I would probably switch. The fact is, my netbook was created to run XP, so, I know that XP is the only OS that will run properly on it.
The G-Tablet, has hardware that is CAPABLE of running Gingerbread and Honeycomb, and I assume, eventually Ice Cream Sandwich (why do these nicknames make me hungry?)
The problem, is that Viewsonic/Nvidea have failed at providing the drivers and such that will make it possible to run these newer Android versions.
Sure, I could attempt to install Win7 on my netbook, but then I'll be *****ing and complaining when things don't work, or won't work. Same as if I continue to lie to myself in thinking that Gingerbread or Honeycomb will work flawlessly within the constraints of the hardware that we are using.
I commend the people that try their hardest to get these things working. They do it for the joy of saying that they did it. They provide something to the users that gives them hope that it will eventually be a reality. I truly believe that it will be, as long as Nvidea cooperates, which they said they would, as long as device providers request the drivers...none have, as of yet. We thought that Notion Ink was, but they are using the pieced together rom that tabletroms developed...essentially failing their own community.
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Dishe...The XP to Win7 analogy is fitting here. Let's take my tiny little Acer Netbook here. Supposedly, it's not able to run win7, due ot hardware limitations. That's exactly the case with the G-Tablet.
Now, if Acer were to develop a way (drivers and such) that I was able ot run Win7, then I would probably switch. The fact is, my netbook was created to run XP, so, I know that XP is the only OS that will run properly on it.
The G-Tablet, has hardware that is CAPABLE of running Gingerbread and Honeycomb, and I assume, eventually Ice Cream Sandwich (why do these nicknames make me hungry?)
The problem, is that Viewsonic/Nvidea have failed at providing the drivers and such that will make it possible to run these newer Android versions.
Sure, I could attempt to install Win7 on my netbook, but then I'll be *****ing and complaining when things don't work, or won't work. Same as if I continue to lie to myself in thinking that Gingerbread or Honeycomb will work flawlessly within the constraints of the hardware that we are using.
I commend the people that try their hardest to get these things working. They do it for the joy of saying that they did it. They provide something to the users that gives them hope that it will eventually be a reality. I truly believe that it will be, as long as Nvidea cooperates, which they said they would, as long as device providers request the drivers...none have, as of yet. We thought that Notion Ink was, but they are using the pieced together rom that tabletroms developed...essentially failing their own community.
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We are in agreement.
I don't really get what hardware acceleration is....is it when you turn your device in portrait mode/landscape mode? because i heard that Vegan Tab GingerEdition doesn't support hardware Acceleration
Hardware acceleration allows a hardware to operate faster than what the software can do. In the gtab, when we say hardware acceleration we are actually referring mostly to audio and graphics hardware acceleration.
Try to think of it this way. Suppose you are put into a maze and you want to get the other side. Without a map, you'd be wandering around until you get to the end. If you're smart, you can mark where you were, draw out a map as you go along, and even explore the maze in a pattern that allows you to find the route faster.
But wouldn't it be much easier if someone gives you the map of the maze and all you have to do is follow the map and voila you're done?
That's what hardware acceleration is. The cpu is sequential, performing one function at a time. Just the software alone isn't enough to optimize the hardware (audio and graphics). We need the drivers for them for optimization.
Unfortunately, those bastards at nvidia and google decided orphan harmony users barely 4 months after its release. Greedy corporate SoBs.
that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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Unfortunately, if you're referring to the viewsonic 7 incher HC tab, it's not exactly a sister of the gtab. The gtab is an adopted child and the 7 incher is a birth child.
And also unfortunately, if you're referring to the adam, NI didn't release a HC update from the google source code. They released a hacked version ripped from the transformer.
Just stick with froyo for now.
OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Can you recommend me some Froyo ROMs that are stable, fast, fully functional, and has good battery life?
Thanks.
Vegan 5.1.1 is an old rom but all the hardware works. Plants vs Zombies works, but Gun Bros doesn't (at least on mine).
problem with 5.1.1 is that there isn't much support going on and some of the code is outdated.
Over at slatedroid, I'm trying out Brilliant Corners (based on vegantab, but more updated kernel, etc) and so far its everything 5.1.1 offers and then some. Quite happy with it, and everything seems to run full speed.
When I was running Ginger roms a month ago, I happened to review a Samsung Galaxy tab 10 and some other tablets with the same tegra 2 chipset as ours. I was so disappointed in my G-tab, I didn't realize how slow it had gotten without HW acceleration. Since installing Brilliant Corners, I'm much happier with it.
Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Includes an updated kernel with overclocking ability, etc, built in. You could technically flash your own kernel to use with Vegan, but I think there are some more little bugfixes as well since someone is actively working on it. For example, when Netflix wasn't working on it (before the recent update), Roebeet was actively trying to find out what made it work in CM7 so that the changes could be applied to his roms. He eventually did release some patches to get it partially working. VeganTab doesn't get that kind of love at the moment.
Caulkin
Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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caulkin's rom has issue with sound in mobo player. sound is extremely small almost muted. because of this, i'm going to beasty rom and so far happy with it
In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
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You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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Yes
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In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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Well, first reply not withstanding, I'm running Xrons 2.9.1 at 1.782GHz and it's as smooth as silk with no FCs, reboots or any other faults.
I had the opportunity of using an iPad and all I can tell you is that the iPad owner was looking a little sick when he tried mine!
I wouldn't swop what I have and when a stable fully working CM9 hits the streets it will only get better.
I've tested them side by side and while browsing Opera Mobile under XRON 2.9 @ 192mhz/1.5ghz (up threshhold @ 40%) the TP was about 80% as fast as the iPad 2 at general responsiveness (zooming, scrolling through pages on heavy sites), and a tie at loading pages - some loaded faster on the TP and vice versa.
I also tried the stock XRON browser, but it was too choppy and there was really no comparison.
Google Maps is much faster on the iPad 2 with less jumpiness and is overall just smoother.
Strangely, Google Earth feels much more fluid on the Touchpad with smoother zooming/panning and faster loading.
General responsiveness probably goes to the iPad 2, the home screen is just smoother and more responsive compared to every launcher I tried (VTL, ADW, SPB Shell 3D, Launcher Pro and a few others), and apps tend to open faster.
Netflix is much better on the iPad 2, video is sharper with less compression and scrolling is much smoother.. Not sure if it is playing HD but there is a noticeable difference for sure.
Things have changed quite a bit on ICS and it could be closer now.
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You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
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It's an Alpha build. If it were in Beta, or out of Beta, I'd consider it. But there are certain implications associated with the Alpha stages of software builds.
iPad 2's GPU outright slays all android devices, so as far as UI you're not going to find a device that even comes close that's out right now, including the Transformer Prime /:
I've heard good things about the Nexus Tablet though.....
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While I love my HP TouchPad I have to tell you that nothing can touch the current A5 CPU/GPU the iPad 2 uses. It's amazing to say the least. But the TouchPad is good for lots of other things
I've compared my TP (both WebOS and Alpha 3 CM7) to my cousin's iPad 2 and the browsing experience is much better on the iPad. But like sean said, if ICS were in beta or even out then it would be a close battle. I'm running an ICS beta on my Samsung Fascinate and it's the most beautiful rom I've ever played with. Hopefully the TP gets to that same level.
Its hard to compare since they are running 2 completely different operating systems and browsers. Chances are the iPad2 will be faster only because its running a stable OS (I'm not saying Android is unstable, just that its not OEM).
But with the Touchpad you get decent hardware for a lot cheaper and you can run CM.
I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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Thanks!
I find the ICS browser on the Touchpad to be great. Its the first all around great browser I've used in Android in terms of scrolling experience, UI, etc.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I more or less agree.
I've had few major problems with CM9a0.5. I'd say it is at least as stable as CM7, and WiFi has actually been more stable for me compared to XRON/CM7 (although still not perfect). And of course the "tablet" experience of ICS is worlds ahead of GB.
The biggest downside to CM9 is the lack of video acceleration therefore lack of Netflix/Youtube HD and high bitrate 720p/1080p videos.
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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Tykin said:
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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^^this
cm9 is just awsome. i wish i could get rid of the webOS part because it's a waste of space.
Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Probably not. Given the level of effort required for installation, maintenance, and learning the more technical side of things, she'd most likely stick with the iPad.
I dont know your work friend, but that's my guess.
People naturally think that because you managed to get the TP up and running with ICS, that it was worthless getting an iPad. But those people most likely are the same one's that don't have the knowledge to really enjoy the TP, not to mention put the effort into keeping it that way. And at the current state (not even to Alpha 1), it's no comparison.
i payed less than $100 for my touchpad............it now has ICS, it's as fast as any tablet on the market, and has great developmental support. why the hell would i want to pay $500 for another tablet? it's not just ipad, i had tossed around the idea of getting a transformer prime for a while and probably would have one if they weren't so hard to get. then ics hit the touchpad and well the rest is history. i'm happy now. but that's just me and my "$100 fast as hell ICS tablet" talkin.
The thing most people don't understand is if it's this close to an ipad WITHOUT hardware acceleration. It'll straight blow an ipad 2 out of the water when we get it. ICS is more like iOS in that it has hardware accelerated ui. Android never offered that before, which is why we have compensated with faster and more powerful processors up until this point.
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