Not sure if this belongs in Q&A but I'm looking for guidance. I just purchased the G Tab and I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed. Screen I can deal with, no rear camera I can deal with, it's the lack of hardware acceleration that bothers (I don't know how I missed this). I'm considering returning this item and possibly waiting for the new Acer to be in stock somewhere. I would just keep the Viewsonic if hardware acceleration were looking likely. What do you guys think? Wait or return? Looking for some guidance from my community
The day I can run 2.3+ and play videos without issues will be a happy day
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Not sure if this belongs in Q&A but I'm looking for guidance. I just purchased the G Tab and I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed. Screen I can deal with, no rear camera I can deal with, it's the lack of hardware acceleration that bothers (I don't know how I missed this). I'm considering returning this item and possibly waiting for the new Acer to be in stock somewhere. I would just keep the Viewsonic if hardware acceleration were looking likely. What do you guys think? Wait or return? Looking for some guidance from my community
The day I can run 2.3+ and play videos without issues will be a happy day
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HW acceleration exists in the Froyo roms - this should have been something you discovered in the first 10 minutes of browsing around here and elsewhere on teh internets prior to purchase.
If you need HW acceleration, just run a Froyo custom rom - slap any of the nice tablet launchers on it, put in an OC kernel, and hey presto you're good to go on the video front. Or, use rockplayer's software decoding with an OC kernel, and most stuff will playback smoothly.
Some HW acceleration is trickling out in the CM7 codebase, there's no reason to think that eventually it won't get there sooner or later. Mostly later.
The "last year's technology + enthusiast hackers" path isn't for everyone. No shame in that - if you want out of the box HC with full hardware support, just return the gtab, and get one.
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HW acceleration exists in the Froyo roms - this should have been something you discovered in the first 10 minutes of browsing around here and elsewhere on teh internets prior to purchase.
If you need HW acceleration, just run a Froyo custom rom - slap any of the nice tablet launchers on it, put in an OC kernel, and hey presto you're good to go on the video front. Or, use rockplayer's software decoding with an OC kernel, and most stuff will playback smoothly.
Some HW acceleration is trickling out in the CM7 codebase, there's no reason to think that eventually it won't get there sooner or later. Mostly later.
The "last year's technology + enthusiast hackers" path isn't for everyone. No shame in that - if you want out of the box HC with full hardware support, just return the gtab, and get one.
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Thanks. I am currently running a froyo rom which I did discover quickly I just love my gingerbread. I didn't know that software acceleration was being committed to cm7. Im running an oc kernel know which launcher pro and am pretty happy with the combo, just hoping to not be stuck here: )
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I didn't know that software acceleration was being committed to cm7.
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limited HW accel in CM7.0.2 reported here on XDA - a couple days ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1049398
It probably won't be too long before Nvidia releases HW acceleration for Gingerbread. I've enjoyed mine since December and with VEGAn Tab Ginger RC1 + Clemsyn 1.5gHZ kernel... it rocks!!
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Not sure if this belongs in Q&A but I'm looking for guidance. I just purchased the G Tab and I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed. Screen I can deal with, no rear camera I can deal with, it's the lack of hardware acceleration that bothers (I don't know how I missed this). I'm considering returning this item and possibly waiting for the new Acer to be in stock somewhere. I would just keep the Viewsonic if hardware acceleration were looking likely. What do you guys think? Wait or return? Looking for some guidance from my community
The day I can run 2.3+ and play videos without issues will be a happy day
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If you can get passed the screen, I would say keep. Few questions to ask yourself.
What type of vids are you planning to play? Are we talking about blu-ray rips? Do you really need 2.3? What features of 2.3 are you needing that 2.2 doesn't have?
If I were answering the above questions, I would keep it. Because I'm happy with the 2.2 based ROMS. All the vids I have put on my gtab play fine. The highest resolution that my vids are converted to is 720p and there are not many. I'm happy with how all my videos look on my gtab.
I believe the CM team is making great progress with GB and I believe they are doing this without any help form Nvidia or Viewsonic. I could be wrong.
Buuuuuuut....if you really like the Acer then I would consider it.
The reviews on the other tablets have not been stellar. Problems with lack of apps and honeycomb in general have led to the so so reviews. Dolphin hd browers runs hbo go without a hitch, stock browers couldn't without stuttering. Hardware xcelleration is not that far off in the distance if you can wait. Running vegan ginger stable and it has been awesome.
Thanks for the advice without flames This is exactly the feedback I was looking for. I especially didn't know CM was making soooo much progress. I'm going to stick around, but if it weren't for XDA this thing would be going back
I mostly rip movies and watch youtube videos which has greatly improved since switching to Vegan Froyo. I live there for a while.
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Ok, so I tried the new netflix .apk on the stock G-tablet rom, and it would refuse to play video.
I had seen people mention it working perfectly on Cyanogen Mod 7, so I picked up the most recent stable CM7, and flashed it. Works great. But I'm noticing the Tablet is a bit slower in other areas now- Just heard that Gingerbread and our display drivers are having trouble with acceleration?
So, I'd like the speed of a Froyo rom, but are any compatible with Netflix?
By default CM7.0.3 is under clocked. Go to Settings/Performance and adjust Max CPU to say 1.2GHz or even 1.4GHz. And your tablet will be working even faster then stock Froyo ROM.
someboy on another website got Netflix working on Brilliant Corners. He's now working on getting it to work on Vegan-Tab (since they are essentially the same)
unfortunately, the green bar at the bottom is still present, but he's attempting to tweak it to get it to go away. He spent about 2 hours yesterday getting Netflix ot stream video...give him a week and I suppose it will more than likely be perfected.
Of course, you won't find any information about this here on XDA...
I actually dropped a post on the VEGAn thread (it does work there, as well). And I'm going to sporatically post here - I think enough time has passed, and things are a little less crazy than they were a month back - at least as far as I can tell.
Caveats are the green bar and strange color banding - this is essentially a hack of the libs in stock 3588 that somehow make Netflix work. Also, I've heard that the hack breaks the YouTube app, so it's certainly not perfect.
But, if you have to have your Netflix, I guess it's better than nothing at all. I'm not sure if this is fixable because I don't even know why the 3588 libs work in the first place.
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someboy on another website got Netflix working on Brilliant Corners. He's now working on getting it to work on Vegan-Tab (since they are essentially the same)
unfortunately, the green bar at the bottom is still present, but he's attempting to tweak it to get it to go away. He spent about 2 hours yesterday getting Netflix ot stream video...give him a week and I suppose it will more than likely be perfected.
Of course, you won't find any information about this here on XDA...
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roebeet posted the fix here too in the vegan tab 5.1.1 thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14491114&postcount=1680
I'm happy just to see him post on xda again.
edit: nevermind, the man himself beat me in my slowness.
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But, if you have to have your Netflix, I guess it's better than nothing at all. I'm not sure if this is fixable because I don't even know why the 3588 libs work in the first place.
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Yes, I'm aware of the green line and color shift problem, I have that on my LG Optimus as well. But something CM7 does seems to fix that completely (on the Optimus, too). I've heard it has to do with the way the LCD is accessed, but I have no idea.
So as far as "better than nothing", CM7 runs it PERFECTLY. But I'm not happy with the overall speed of the device. Perhaps I'll look into overclocking as was suggested earlier here. Still, even with the overclock I've heard that CM7 (or rather, gingerbread) lacks hardware acceleration, which means I'd be overclocking and using more juice just to keep up, wouldn't it?
"Better than nothing at all" meaning on a modded Froyo ROM, not CM7.
Some people had asked for this given that 3588 stock was known to work (with the color issues), so I spent several hours yesterday trying to figure out why.
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So as far as "better than nothing", CM7 runs it PERFECTLY. But I'm not happy with the overall speed of the device. Perhaps I'll look into overclocking as was suggested earlier here. Still, even with the overclock I've heard that CM7 (or rather, gingerbread) lacks hardware acceleration, which means I'd be overclocking and using more juice just to keep up, wouldn't it?
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As I understand problem with Netflix - inside Netfilx.apk there are somewhat 5 different native libs/players to support different hardware. When there is a time to stream movie - java front-end (UI) just launches one of them accordingly.
It's happened that CM7.0.3 DRM/OMX stack fulfilled one of the players requirements (actually the second one - libnetflix_device2.so), so it does streaming fine.
There is no way, somebody would disassemble one of those 5 players and make it work on general hardware without source code and/or deep knowledge about Netflix streaming protocol - that would be kind of hacking Netflix protocol... well, may be it's possible but VERY VERY non trivial.
This will leave us a one of two possibilities:
first one, wait for Netflix to support more hardware... I cannot tell that they anxious to support even legit Android HC tablets such as Xoom, Transformer, Samsung 10.1 I/O...
second, make that DRM/OMX stack happened on particular hardware by joggling with libs from another Android device where Netflix is working...
Speaking about CM7.0.3 - I was on a fence regarding hardware acceleration. But all I lost since I have flashed CM7 - ability to play 1080p wmv/wma coded video.
All HD contents I have, usually have AC3/DTS sound tracks in them and those does not have hardware decoder, so I'm forced to use software decoder anyway and it does fine on 720p.
Btw, difference in current consumption is not that big of a deal... I would say it's about 30-40mA when CPU is doing software decoding vs. hardware. Or it's about 10-12% (300mA vs. 330mA).
I hope all of that will help to make informative decision.
Thanks for all the helpful responses.
Wondering if there are any updates on this yet- any froyo roms play netflix as well as cm7 yet? I see netflix updated their app, but doesnt seem to be supporting more devices.
I don't really get what hardware acceleration is....is it when you turn your device in portrait mode/landscape mode? because i heard that Vegan Tab GingerEdition doesn't support hardware Acceleration
Hardware acceleration allows a hardware to operate faster than what the software can do. In the gtab, when we say hardware acceleration we are actually referring mostly to audio and graphics hardware acceleration.
Try to think of it this way. Suppose you are put into a maze and you want to get the other side. Without a map, you'd be wandering around until you get to the end. If you're smart, you can mark where you were, draw out a map as you go along, and even explore the maze in a pattern that allows you to find the route faster.
But wouldn't it be much easier if someone gives you the map of the maze and all you have to do is follow the map and voila you're done?
That's what hardware acceleration is. The cpu is sequential, performing one function at a time. Just the software alone isn't enough to optimize the hardware (audio and graphics). We need the drivers for them for optimization.
Unfortunately, those bastards at nvidia and google decided orphan harmony users barely 4 months after its release. Greedy corporate SoBs.
that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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Unfortunately, if you're referring to the viewsonic 7 incher HC tab, it's not exactly a sister of the gtab. The gtab is an adopted child and the 7 incher is a birth child.
And also unfortunately, if you're referring to the adam, NI didn't release a HC update from the google source code. They released a hacked version ripped from the transformer.
Just stick with froyo for now.
OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Can you recommend me some Froyo ROMs that are stable, fast, fully functional, and has good battery life?
Thanks.
Vegan 5.1.1 is an old rom but all the hardware works. Plants vs Zombies works, but Gun Bros doesn't (at least on mine).
problem with 5.1.1 is that there isn't much support going on and some of the code is outdated.
Over at slatedroid, I'm trying out Brilliant Corners (based on vegantab, but more updated kernel, etc) and so far its everything 5.1.1 offers and then some. Quite happy with it, and everything seems to run full speed.
When I was running Ginger roms a month ago, I happened to review a Samsung Galaxy tab 10 and some other tablets with the same tegra 2 chipset as ours. I was so disappointed in my G-tab, I didn't realize how slow it had gotten without HW acceleration. Since installing Brilliant Corners, I'm much happier with it.
Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Includes an updated kernel with overclocking ability, etc, built in. You could technically flash your own kernel to use with Vegan, but I think there are some more little bugfixes as well since someone is actively working on it. For example, when Netflix wasn't working on it (before the recent update), Roebeet was actively trying to find out what made it work in CM7 so that the changes could be applied to his roms. He eventually did release some patches to get it partially working. VeganTab doesn't get that kind of love at the moment.
Caulkin
Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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caulkin's rom has issue with sound in mobo player. sound is extremely small almost muted. because of this, i'm going to beasty rom and so far happy with it
Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
Only froyo has full he acceleration.
Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
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You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
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Or just generously donate to Rayman .. he is getting there sooner than later.
Well that looks awesome, is hey on xda at all or should I be signing up for an account over there?
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Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
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I'm on Caulkulin+Clemsyn Combo v6 (Froyo) and mine runs Galaxy on Fire 2 perfectly.
This rom is working for me fantastically as well- played the game for an hour last night smooth as can be reminds me of old school "free lancer"
GoF worked fine on Stock and now it works on Vegan 5.1.1.
Could you have some resourse-intensive background app that needs to be killed?
Think you misread- ive got it working fully in a 2.2 rom (c+c) ...
Was wondering about this:
http://tabletroms.com/forums/showthread.php?1525-Umodified-Honeycomb-on-Kernel-2.6.36-Updated-23-07-2011
If i was to take a stock, unmodified HC rom from perhaps a acer500 as rayman did- would it boot at all on the gtablet?
I figure they are all, at their core built to run android...
Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Soft brick. Unless the software tells the hardware to do something destructive, you can't harm the hardware with software.
Many have tried to just put the image straight from other HC devices into this. Will not run without some tweekings.
Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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I wouldn't bother with it right now, seriously, there is those out there who will seamlessly port it as soon as its in good shape.
Righto' will let it be, thanks for the information
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I noticed that as well and wasn't sure what he meant, getting full HC hardware acceleration would have garnered bigger fanfare.
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I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I would take that with a grain of salt,
This isn't the first time some claims were made about this ROM that turned out to be false later
How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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Illuminate claims that it is the most stable Honeycomb ROM, so I'd give it a try first.
The only issue I have with Illuminate is My Locations (through Wifi) doesn't work in Google Maps.
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FlashBack is very, very nice. It's stable, fairly speedy (despite the lack of HW accel in all HC gTab ROMs), all the software I want runs on it although I'll admit my list is short and only includes a few games.
I have searched around on this a little and didn't find much. Doer anybody know if any of the development are working on porting over a version of 3.1 or 3.2 to our gtablets? I really love this tablet. Honeycomb is slightly buggy but for the $170 i paid for this thing it was welllll worth it. I love flashback but would love to have the resizeable Widgets option.
So what's the word on the street? I read in the illuminate changelog it was started birthstone is all i could find on this subject.
Thank you.
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I think once they get that .36,.38 kernal working with hardware acceleration. that should really help the chances.
If I was betting my own money, I'd say no--the guys on here can only go so far, and after that it takes a paid professional to put in the work to get over the hump. See CyanogenMod not having working HW acceleration, etc. For the length of time it'd take to get HC completely rolled out, something else will have rolled out from Google by that point, and everyone will be on to that.
I'm looking to get my first Android tablet. I've always rooted and run custom firmware on my Android phones, so I need a "cheap" Android tablet with a healthy developer community and a lot of support.
My first thought was to go for the $250 Nook Tablet, spec for spec it's better than the Kindle Fire; but didn't an update come out for it recently that made rooting it near impossible or so highly difficult that it hasn't been done yet?
Then the $200 Kindle Fire came to mind, very popular tablet must mean a very healthy/active hacking/dev community right? But isn't it also locked down in such a way it can't be rooted or modified anymore? I need a working Android Market (Oh I'm sorry, I mean <sarcasm>Play Store</sarcasm>) and good custom ROM's including ICS.
Then I see a $189 Lenovo A1 Tablet at Best Buy with decent specs. It's running Android 2.3 which I'd normally prefer over Android 3.0/Honeycomb but now that ICS/Android 4.0 is out, I'd definately want to run that on my tablet.
So is ICS running very good/stable on any sub $300 Android tablet? I wonder when the $250 Tegra3 based tablet from Asus (or is it Acer...) comes out. Suggestions on which route to go?
You should really do some reading/research because almost all of your perceptions are way off.
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Yeah, I plan on researching it to no end. That's what I tend to do, read through the various forums, FAQ's, etc. I don't purchase blindly (even for a 'budget' tablet), but before I did I wanted to drop these questions out there to see if somebody who's a lot more familiar with these devices has an opinion or if somebody who's already done a lot of research could pipe in. I wanted to use a combo of my own research and direct recommendations/observations from people more familiar with this Android tablets than I. I'm more into the Android Phone hacking community, I've rooted many various Android models and have run a lot of custom firmwares on various models. I'm sure I'll adapt quickly enough to the tablet scene but while I'm getting my feet wet I was hoping to hear from more experienced people.
Basic research leads me to believe the Nook Tablet has superior hardware but not as active a dev community as the others. It's a shame cause the hardware is nice. The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready. But CM7 seems to be a popular ROM for this tablet and it seems to be stable enough for Daily Driver status. I'm leaning more toward the Kindle Fire as they have ICS with only 3 real main known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p Video and Bluetooth). But I'm also seeing that they have CM9 running on the HP Touchpad (which has the best HW out of all these devices) but they have several more known issues. I like that the HP Touchpad can dual boot webos and Android though, always wanted to play with WebOS and the superior HW is nice (I mean it was a $500 tablet in its hay-day). Still researching.
The main problem is. initially the nook tablet was-and still is- locked down tighter than a virgin princess with a chastity belt, thus we only had a few devs working on it as most abandoned the tablet and moved to the fire/other tablets/phones, but we had adam and indirect and a few others tinker and twist and mangle and mutilate the tablet until we are where we are.
cm9 is behind the cm7 team only because they decided to do the 3.0 kernel? vs the 2.6.7(or something like that), and the 3.0 kernal has been giving them...issues that they are resolving one by one.
the cm7 team, conversely, has had an easier time since they ported the nook color's cm7, tweaked of course, and are fixing things that are/were not working correctly.
HW accellaration/720p accell is working on cm7,
bluetooth and multitouch(more tha 2 at a time) are on the list of things to get done BUT, B&N did not include the "key" to activate the bluetooth(and fm radio) part of the chip so that is WAY down on the list of things to do.
if the nook tablet was "exactly" like the kindle fire for bootup/hackability, then it would be way ahead of the kindle fire at this time, but due to the initial problems the devs had getting root/breaking the bootchain to install alternate OS's....they are behind.
hardware wise the NT is better than the kindle fire,
personally my next tablet will -most likely- be the new asus that is coming out in a few months (tegra quad core) that is going to be 250.
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Basic research leads me to believe the Nook Tablet has superior hardware but not as active a dev community as the others.
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Yes to the first part, no to the second part. You're mistaking size with activity. The Nook tablet community is one of the most active communities I've encountered among ~12 devices that I've followed. Its small and tight knit but people are working constantly. Pop into the IRC channel or read some of the threads and you'll see that.
It's a shame cause the hardware is nice. The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready.
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True. But again, dedicated developers working hard on it.
But CM7 seems to be a popular ROM for this tablet and it seems to be stable enough for Daily Driver status.
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Yep. I have a Xoom with ICS and I'm anxious for CM9, but CM7 is more than adequate for what I use the NT for.
I'm leaning more toward the Kindle Fire as they have ICS with only 3 real main known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p Video and Bluetooth).
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Meh. The fire is simply a sub par device. The lack of an sd slot is a deal breaker for me as well. The only reason it got more hype than the Nook tablet is because of the $50 cheaper price tag. If B&N had released the 8GB NT first or at the same time as the 16GB tablet, you'd hear a lot more about it.
Think about it. Most people don't know much about specs and what not. They look at the price, see that the two devices are very similar but one is $50 cheaper. B&N really dropped the ball here.
But I'm also seeing that they have CM9 running on the HP Touchpad (which has the best HW out of all these devices) but they have several more known issues. I like that the HP Touchpad can dual boot webos and Android though, always wanted to play with WebOS and the superior HW is nice (I mean it was a $500 tablet in its hay-day). Still researching.
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HP Touchpad is a great device (I snagged 5 on the firesale and resold 4, kept one for a while for tinkering then gave it to a friend), but here you're talking about completely different form factor. Its a 9.7" I think? It is however being worked on by the official CM team and those guys are extremely dedicated. And I know quite a few people that use the latest CM9 Alpha as a daily driver. And I think they got Netflix working on it (not 100% sure though, haven't checked it in a few weeks).
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lenardo said:
the cm7 team, conversely, has had an easier time since they ported the nook color's cm7, tweaked of course, and are fixing things that are/were not working correctly.
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This was for the first Alpha release. Alpha Final is a build from scratch for the Nook tablet.
personally my next tablet will -most likely- be the new asus that is coming out in a few months (tegra quad core) that is going to be 250.
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Rumors of a nexus tablet around the same time (possibly built by Asus, for Google).
If that happens, the nexus tablet will likely be the way to go (unless it doesn't have an sd slot).
Very nice info. Thanks guys. Yeah I'm leaning toward HP Touchpad ($225) or a Kindle Fire for ($140) used. But if a good deal on a Nook Tablet comes along, at least I know I can drop CM7 on it and it'll run good; bluetooth doesn't concern me that much, but multi-touch is fairly important.
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lavero.burgos said:
Questions go in the Q&A section. There is a sticky stating that.
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Yep, crap, just saw that. Apologies everyone. You don't have to move this thread, you can just delete it or close it. I' tried to find controls to allow me to close or delete this thread but can't.
glitchsys said:
The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready.
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I've been using it since the day Alpha 0 came out, and couldn't be much happier with it. The WiFi is a little wonky if I don't turn it off before I turn the screen off, but CM7 was the same for me. The video acceleration is a little off when doing things fast, but for all the video watching and game playing I've done (and my kids have done) it has not caused any problems.
I would say the HP Touchpad is a great choice. I have two of the 16GB that I got direct from HP for $99 each them running CM7. I mostly use them as photoframes and use an HTC Evo View (32gb onboard storage) or HTC Flyer (16GB onboard storage) for daily useage. But the HP touchpad has the more development. There is a fair amount of dev for the Flyer, but not much development for the View but after installing VTLauncher and rooting and installing NoLock I am satisfied. I have also owned the Nook Color and Nook Tablet... but sold them once I tried a Flyer ($199 refurb) .... and then a View ($239 new). The NC or NT are both nice you are primarily looking for a reader with a few tablet functions. The Nook Color has more development but the Nook Tablet is noticeably faster. BTW I actually prefer Gingerbread to HoneyComb on the flyer and view. They have hw buttons for home, back, menu buttons so don't have to lose any screen when in full screen games but you lose the HW buttons in HC.
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Why don't you try an [B][I]android tablet from ESPOW[/I][/B]?
Why don't you try an android tablet from ESPOW?
Compared with others,it's low price with just $139 but has a lot of functions,such as WiFi,Supports 3D Video Decoder, enables you to play 3D games
Has three modes of operation: buttons, touch screen and Capacitive Touch Sense
Supports HDMI video
PMU Intelligent power management, 30% power save and lengthen the battery using time
Support most of audio format, multi-sound effect and cycleplay mode, enable you to enjoy listening to music
Support AVI, RM, RMVB, FLV, MP4, WMV, 3GP, MKV, etc. video format and support as high as 3840*2160P revolution playing
Built-in microphone and speaker, supports a super long recording time.
Never heard of ESPOW...
I decided on an HP Touchpad. I mean it's a $500 tablet and I was able to pickup the 32gb one for $190 shipped on EBay. I could have got a 16gb model for $170 but since it doesn't have a MicroSD card I decided more internal storage is best. I've seen CM9 running on my boss's HP Touchpad and it's quite stable, only 2 issues are Camera and Microphone but they work fine in the WebOS side.
This will hold me over until the $250 Asus with the Tegra3 comes out in a few months, or the Nexus Tablet for $150 comes out. I then may buy another tablet, if I found it useful enough, or just sell the Touchpad and pay the difference to get the upgraded Asus.
Thanks all for the advice though. I was down to the Kindle Fire or HP Touchpad and the HW is far superior in the Touchpad. The Kindle Fire though was cheaper/smaller/thinner/lighter and may have been a better option for my 2 year old who loves to play Angry Birds but the touchpad's hardware and fact that the wife would be using it a lot as well drew me to the touchpad.