I'm looking to get my first Android tablet. I've always rooted and run custom firmware on my Android phones, so I need a "cheap" Android tablet with a healthy developer community and a lot of support.
My first thought was to go for the $250 Nook Tablet, spec for spec it's better than the Kindle Fire; but didn't an update come out for it recently that made rooting it near impossible or so highly difficult that it hasn't been done yet?
Then the $200 Kindle Fire came to mind, very popular tablet must mean a very healthy/active hacking/dev community right? But isn't it also locked down in such a way it can't be rooted or modified anymore? I need a working Android Market (Oh I'm sorry, I mean <sarcasm>Play Store</sarcasm>) and good custom ROM's including ICS.
Then I see a $189 Lenovo A1 Tablet at Best Buy with decent specs. It's running Android 2.3 which I'd normally prefer over Android 3.0/Honeycomb but now that ICS/Android 4.0 is out, I'd definately want to run that on my tablet.
So is ICS running very good/stable on any sub $300 Android tablet? I wonder when the $250 Tegra3 based tablet from Asus (or is it Acer...) comes out. Suggestions on which route to go?
You should really do some reading/research because almost all of your perceptions are way off.
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Yeah, I plan on researching it to no end. That's what I tend to do, read through the various forums, FAQ's, etc. I don't purchase blindly (even for a 'budget' tablet), but before I did I wanted to drop these questions out there to see if somebody who's a lot more familiar with these devices has an opinion or if somebody who's already done a lot of research could pipe in. I wanted to use a combo of my own research and direct recommendations/observations from people more familiar with this Android tablets than I. I'm more into the Android Phone hacking community, I've rooted many various Android models and have run a lot of custom firmwares on various models. I'm sure I'll adapt quickly enough to the tablet scene but while I'm getting my feet wet I was hoping to hear from more experienced people.
Basic research leads me to believe the Nook Tablet has superior hardware but not as active a dev community as the others. It's a shame cause the hardware is nice. The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready. But CM7 seems to be a popular ROM for this tablet and it seems to be stable enough for Daily Driver status. I'm leaning more toward the Kindle Fire as they have ICS with only 3 real main known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p Video and Bluetooth). But I'm also seeing that they have CM9 running on the HP Touchpad (which has the best HW out of all these devices) but they have several more known issues. I like that the HP Touchpad can dual boot webos and Android though, always wanted to play with WebOS and the superior HW is nice (I mean it was a $500 tablet in its hay-day). Still researching.
The main problem is. initially the nook tablet was-and still is- locked down tighter than a virgin princess with a chastity belt, thus we only had a few devs working on it as most abandoned the tablet and moved to the fire/other tablets/phones, but we had adam and indirect and a few others tinker and twist and mangle and mutilate the tablet until we are where we are.
cm9 is behind the cm7 team only because they decided to do the 3.0 kernel? vs the 2.6.7(or something like that), and the 3.0 kernal has been giving them...issues that they are resolving one by one.
the cm7 team, conversely, has had an easier time since they ported the nook color's cm7, tweaked of course, and are fixing things that are/were not working correctly.
HW accellaration/720p accell is working on cm7,
bluetooth and multitouch(more tha 2 at a time) are on the list of things to get done BUT, B&N did not include the "key" to activate the bluetooth(and fm radio) part of the chip so that is WAY down on the list of things to do.
if the nook tablet was "exactly" like the kindle fire for bootup/hackability, then it would be way ahead of the kindle fire at this time, but due to the initial problems the devs had getting root/breaking the bootchain to install alternate OS's....they are behind.
hardware wise the NT is better than the kindle fire,
personally my next tablet will -most likely- be the new asus that is coming out in a few months (tegra quad core) that is going to be 250.
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Basic research leads me to believe the Nook Tablet has superior hardware but not as active a dev community as the others.
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Yes to the first part, no to the second part. You're mistaking size with activity. The Nook tablet community is one of the most active communities I've encountered among ~12 devices that I've followed. Its small and tight knit but people are working constantly. Pop into the IRC channel or read some of the threads and you'll see that.
It's a shame cause the hardware is nice. The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready.
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True. But again, dedicated developers working hard on it.
But CM7 seems to be a popular ROM for this tablet and it seems to be stable enough for Daily Driver status.
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Yep. I have a Xoom with ICS and I'm anxious for CM9, but CM7 is more than adequate for what I use the NT for.
I'm leaning more toward the Kindle Fire as they have ICS with only 3 real main known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p Video and Bluetooth).
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Meh. The fire is simply a sub par device. The lack of an sd slot is a deal breaker for me as well. The only reason it got more hype than the Nook tablet is because of the $50 cheaper price tag. If B&N had released the 8GB NT first or at the same time as the 16GB tablet, you'd hear a lot more about it.
Think about it. Most people don't know much about specs and what not. They look at the price, see that the two devices are very similar but one is $50 cheaper. B&N really dropped the ball here.
But I'm also seeing that they have CM9 running on the HP Touchpad (which has the best HW out of all these devices) but they have several more known issues. I like that the HP Touchpad can dual boot webos and Android though, always wanted to play with WebOS and the superior HW is nice (I mean it was a $500 tablet in its hay-day). Still researching.
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HP Touchpad is a great device (I snagged 5 on the firesale and resold 4, kept one for a while for tinkering then gave it to a friend), but here you're talking about completely different form factor. Its a 9.7" I think? It is however being worked on by the official CM team and those guys are extremely dedicated. And I know quite a few people that use the latest CM9 Alpha as a daily driver. And I think they got Netflix working on it (not 100% sure though, haven't checked it in a few weeks).
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the cm7 team, conversely, has had an easier time since they ported the nook color's cm7, tweaked of course, and are fixing things that are/were not working correctly.
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This was for the first Alpha release. Alpha Final is a build from scratch for the Nook tablet.
personally my next tablet will -most likely- be the new asus that is coming out in a few months (tegra quad core) that is going to be 250.
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Rumors of a nexus tablet around the same time (possibly built by Asus, for Google).
If that happens, the nexus tablet will likely be the way to go (unless it doesn't have an sd slot).
Very nice info. Thanks guys. Yeah I'm leaning toward HP Touchpad ($225) or a Kindle Fire for ($140) used. But if a good deal on a Nook Tablet comes along, at least I know I can drop CM7 on it and it'll run good; bluetooth doesn't concern me that much, but multi-touch is fairly important.
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Request a moderator to move it. Thanks
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Yep, crap, just saw that. Apologies everyone. You don't have to move this thread, you can just delete it or close it. I' tried to find controls to allow me to close or delete this thread but can't.
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The only real ICS ROM for the Nook Tablet is Alpha status with a lot of known bugs, no where near daily driver ready.
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I've been using it since the day Alpha 0 came out, and couldn't be much happier with it. The WiFi is a little wonky if I don't turn it off before I turn the screen off, but CM7 was the same for me. The video acceleration is a little off when doing things fast, but for all the video watching and game playing I've done (and my kids have done) it has not caused any problems.
I would say the HP Touchpad is a great choice. I have two of the 16GB that I got direct from HP for $99 each them running CM7. I mostly use them as photoframes and use an HTC Evo View (32gb onboard storage) or HTC Flyer (16GB onboard storage) for daily useage. But the HP touchpad has the more development. There is a fair amount of dev for the Flyer, but not much development for the View but after installing VTLauncher and rooting and installing NoLock I am satisfied. I have also owned the Nook Color and Nook Tablet... but sold them once I tried a Flyer ($199 refurb) .... and then a View ($239 new). The NC or NT are both nice you are primarily looking for a reader with a few tablet functions. The Nook Color has more development but the Nook Tablet is noticeably faster. BTW I actually prefer Gingerbread to HoneyComb on the flyer and view. They have hw buttons for home, back, menu buttons so don't have to lose any screen when in full screen games but you lose the HW buttons in HC.
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Why don't you try an [B][I]android tablet from ESPOW[/I][/B]?
Why don't you try an android tablet from ESPOW?
Compared with others,it's low price with just $139 but has a lot of functions,such as WiFi,Supports 3D Video Decoder, enables you to play 3D games
Has three modes of operation: buttons, touch screen and Capacitive Touch Sense
Supports HDMI video
PMU Intelligent power management, 30% power save and lengthen the battery using time
Support most of audio format, multi-sound effect and cycleplay mode, enable you to enjoy listening to music
Support AVI, RM, RMVB, FLV, MP4, WMV, 3GP, MKV, etc. video format and support as high as 3840*2160P revolution playing
Built-in microphone and speaker, supports a super long recording time.
Never heard of ESPOW...
I decided on an HP Touchpad. I mean it's a $500 tablet and I was able to pickup the 32gb one for $190 shipped on EBay. I could have got a 16gb model for $170 but since it doesn't have a MicroSD card I decided more internal storage is best. I've seen CM9 running on my boss's HP Touchpad and it's quite stable, only 2 issues are Camera and Microphone but they work fine in the WebOS side.
This will hold me over until the $250 Asus with the Tegra3 comes out in a few months, or the Nexus Tablet for $150 comes out. I then may buy another tablet, if I found it useful enough, or just sell the Touchpad and pay the difference to get the upgraded Asus.
Thanks all for the advice though. I was down to the Kindle Fire or HP Touchpad and the HW is far superior in the Touchpad. The Kindle Fire though was cheaper/smaller/thinner/lighter and may have been a better option for my 2 year old who loves to play Angry Birds but the touchpad's hardware and fact that the wife would be using it a lot as well drew me to the touchpad.
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Listen, I understand how people are looking at KF and thinking - man, it's already rooted, has CWM and ROMS are but a minute away. Our NT is still locked down, and we're being told it may stay this way.
So naturally, being in your return period, you're thinking about switching boats to KF.
I have one word explaining why that's a real bad idea: SPECS.
Ok, say you have a KF running CM on it.
RAM - you have 512MB RAM. That's low, not enough for GB or ICS. No need arguing that GB will run on it - yes it will, but it'll never be as smooth as a 1GB RAM device. Android will keep closing apps to free up mem, that creates response lag.
Anybody who had an original SGS with GB on it knows - you just can't make an SGSII out of it, it will always lag here and there. Read engadget review - they are complaining about how laggy it is.
Memory - You've got 6GB memory. That's it. You'll never have any more. That means you'll constantly feel deprived of space - you can't load full HD movies to watch, you can't load your music collection on it. You'll constantly be sacrificing something.
Books/Media store - you only have access to Amazon media store, since B&N doesn't have a store you can install and use. On a NT, though, without any root we already can stream Amazon content, read Kindle books, and that's all with native support of everything B&N has to offer.
No MIC - forget about using your Fire with Google Voice. There's no mic. Also forget about recording yourself reading books to your kids, to use in case you're on vacation or something.
Amazon Cloud you say? Yes, but only where you have a good WiFi connection. As soon as you're out of range - the fun stops. Phone tethering you say? Those 2GB will disappear MEGA FAST if you stream to your KF.
Amazon videos you say? Sure, but remember - that ain't free. Pay Amazon Prime membership fee, then also pay for movies themselves. And again, only when on WiFi and you don't get to keep it.
On the other hand, consider this:
With NT, even without root, we already have a device that's:
Very snappy
Able to sideload apps
Able to run a different launcher
Able to run Opera browser - nice n fast
Able to run 720p videos in browser, full screen
Able to play almost any video up to full-HD 1080p BlueRay
Able to play AVI files with free third-party players (no need for conversion)
Has 33GB+ of memory with an added SD card. I've just loaded tons of movies, books, magazines and music on it, and still have space remaining
Will be able to be used as a phone with Google Voice
Run Amazon Market (some have reported that even older Android Market APK works)
Run both Amazon's and B&N's premium content.
Think about it. Yes, KF was hacked faster than our NT was, but in the end, we already have almost everything we need, AND we have a much more powerful device.
KF was quicker at the start, but it has almost depleted its potential as a modern Android tablet, considering what future versions of Android need. Our device still has tons of untapped potential.
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Engadget released a comparison between the two HERE.
Here are some interesting parts for the lazy:
Both tablets are a good size for one-handed reading, though the Nook edges out the Kindle here a bit, with its slightly lighter weight (14.1 ounces to the Fire's 14.6). The Nook's subtly convex back and plastic bezel make a bit easier to hold.
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Both devices rock 1GHz dual-core processors, but the Nook has an edge here, with its 1GB of RAM to the Fire's 512MB -- and certainly the difference is noticeable, even when booting up something as simple as a game like Angry Birds. Things are even more pronounced during video playback. We took Shutter Island for a spin via Netflix streaming on both devices, and it was really like night and day. Motion is far less choppy on the Barnes & Noble device. The HD playback on the Nook also picked up subtle imagery like patterns on ties, which were largely lost on the Fire.
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tl;dr version: PATIENCE!
+1 to NT and I repped you too!
oh wait..not SD. LOL
That is why everyone needs to pull their pants back up and wait.
It will be rooted.
I also voted this thread up!
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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In my opinion, a locked NT as it is right now is still much better than a KF running CM.
But given that they locked it down, don't you think it was a mistake/accident that they allowed apk installs through the browser? When they push the first update will that ability still be there?
DarkDvr, normally i would agree with you if the market only have two 7inch tablet to choose from (KF and NT). However this is not the case, we have tons of options in 7inch tablet market, and if B&N really is being an ass to lock down the NT, then people can choose other tablets that might fit their need better.
Last year when NC came out there was only two 7inch tablet (NC, and Samsung Tab), so we get a lot more developer support, and people are willing to be more patient, but this is no longer the case.
7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
And those are only the major brands, there are other off brands like Archos, Velocity Micro, Coby, that i didn't include.
So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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7inch tablets:
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Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
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True, I definitely think that locking NT was a huge mistake that B&N will pay for, but for some of us NT IS the best option.
Samsung Tab - 10 inch heavy shovel - screw that
NC - too weak and laggy, even after mods
Lenovo - 512 RAM, weak
Acer Iconia - I see $330+ price even for 8GB version
Kobo Vox - 512 RAM and don't trust that brand
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus - 400+tax for a tablet is overpriced
Samsung Tab 7.7 - even more expensive?
HTC Flyer - slow and laggy, overpriced since day 1
Dell Streak - slow and laggy, low res screen
What I'm saying is that when you, like me, are in the market for a cheap tablet, there's only 2 good options - NT and KF. Rest of them are either overpriced as a device (going into netbook or UP category, where they just can't compete) or some shady brands.
At least that's my thinking.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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Agreed, and given a choice, I'd always go for a company that doesn't insult my intelligence and doesn't treat its customers as morons. However, I have full faith in XDA community and still believe this will get hacked. And when it does, I'll be pointing finger at KF and laughing maniacally.
Depending on the weather here on the forum in the next 12 days, B&N may be losing my $260 to a Samsung G 7+ (maybe even a KF if I'm feeling crazy). Or just wait a few months see what turns up after Christmas.
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So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
I agree that there are lots of other options, but it's disheartening when none seem to have the build quality and specs in the same price range as the Nook models, excluding BF sales that might be hard to get. The IdeaPad looks intriguing at first glance but is the same basic hardware as the year-old NC and with a worse screen (and eww: the $200 version has 2GB storage that probably won't ever fit ICS). Acer A100 looks nice but also has a cheaper screen and a small battery.
DarkDvr while i am like you, think that the NT might be the best fit for my use case also. But with so many choices out there, i think our dev and support community won't be anywhere near the same as it was with NC. Plus with the bone headed move on B&N part, i don't see many true devotee sticking to the NT like yourself. And that is the ultimate problem, without a strong dev community, the NT most likely won't get all the goodies like CM7/CM9, which is what made the NC awesome.
By the way the Samsung Tab i was referring to earlier is the 7inch model, the same one that came out right before NC. Both are rocking Cortex-A8 processor.
I am honestly VERY happy with the status of my KT right now. As it stands, with a launcher, widgetlocker app and all the other sideloaded apps I wanted I have everything i wanted.
I dont care if I lose amazon marketplace support, because honestly I can find any apk I want all amazon does is give me a way to read reviews (which i can through the browser + android market)
the only thing, and trust me it is a HUGE thing, i am terrified of is that come day 15 or 16 or even 30, B&N releases a firmware update i cannot click 'no' to and it updates my nook and closes the hole we've been using. I dont know if its possible, but I reckon it is and that would make me a very sad camper since stock, this thing is a total piece of **** software wise (nook market is worthless), i bought a tablet, not an ereader.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Because I live in Italy I'll receive my NT only on 26Nov. (if I will lucky), so no give back option for me
So.. I really, really hope that a hack will be found. Just the root will be enough for me
With the root we'll be able to run custom recovery, trow away what we don't need and add what is missing (settings, etc).
BTW for me realease the source and lock the bootloader is a nonsense!
First post.
I'm a full-time iOS developer with about 6 iOS devices on my desk right now. I really like iOS and love developing for it. Having said that....
I picked up a Kindle (e-ink) about a year ago and then switched to a Nook Simple Touch the day they were released. I've been watching the KF/NT release with great interest.
I eventually decided on the Nook Tablet and stumbled across this site the day I got it (the 16th). I have been blown away by the things you people have accomplished in just a couple of days and I've had a blast watching the hour-by-hour discoveries.
My main reason for getting the NT was as a reader and everything you folks are doing is icing on the cake. Very nice icing!
I'm also very optimistic that breakthroughs will continue even if the pace slows a bit. For me the KF is just too restricted in capability--even it if can be rooted.
As an aside, I also have access to a handful of Android devices including a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and a Lenovo Ideapad K1 (it helps when the company is buying), but I prefer the Nook Tablet to either.
As long as I can keep side-loading apps I'll be happy. I certainly understand the sentiments of those not wanting to reward B&N for what appears to be a snub. At the same time as long as they continue to allow me some method to get a few more apps on the device I'm good with it.
It's been my experience that once I get a device setup--either iOS or Android--I really only end up using a handful of apps (after trying dozens)--but I want them to be very good apps that *I* get to choose.
Thank you to you all!
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Good point, we are certainly a vocal and influential bunch. However lots of those "normal" consumers would never check any place like Engadget for any review and have probably never heard of it. Mentions of modding/hacking/flashing in online store reviews go right over lots of people's heads too. Amazon and B&N are going to sell a ton of their tablets through physical stores like Walmart, Target, BestBuy, etc where most people still shop too. I agree that we probably do have more influence than just 3%... and now I'm not even sure where I was going with this point, lol
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This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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I completely agree with that, but this thread serves as a reminder why it is still better than the Fire, to those that might not know.
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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...Excuse me?
Forgive me for not appreciating your "experience" on XDA since, omg, feb 2010, but this is a General NT forum, and this thread is very much important to people who are right now at a tipping point between NT and KF, considering the latest root news for both devices.
So drink some coolaid and move along, kid.
Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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Thanks! Ill give you a thumbs up or thanks or whatever this forum uses when I get home because I cant do it from tapatalk. Ill look up that acer tablet now and edit this post after that.
Edit: Wow! It has a tegra 2 as well! 2 cameras as well! Jeez an its about the same price as the nook tablet was. Thanks! Im gonna look in the dev section for this tablet on the forums and see what I can find
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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Oh alright, well I need a good battery because I will be brining it o school and such. The NT would be a good choice for me because I want to run emulators and such, so I would think that having a more powerful cpu would do well with that.
Yeah ive seen zedomax install the android market on it, so I know its not totally locked up. I just want to be able to install roms in the future, thats all. Ive seen my friend with his nexus s and it looks like load of fun tweaking with it. Thts the main reason Im selling the ipod and want to swtich to a small android tablet.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out...and more will come as ICS gets on more devices.
>Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out
Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
HC is dead. From Google's version tracker, active HC devices stand at 2.4% of total Android. Apart from GNexus, ICS won't show up until next year, and it'll take much longer for ICS-specific apps to show up. By that time, we'll already be jabbering about the Nook 3.
Speaking of which, I do expect B&N to keep in lock-step with Amazon, in releasing a larger tablet come spring. Video content (read: Netflix & co) has the highest pull, and 7" is too small for good video playback. May be B&N can call this the Nook XL.
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Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
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IMHO there are enough 3.0+ apps or apps with tablet versions that only work in 3.0+ to make the difference appreciable, especially if you want landscape mode to be more usable. Google has tablet-optimized versions of Gmail and Reader with split panes. File Manager HD has a nice menu pane. IMDB's app has a very nice layout for 3.0+ tablets. Mizuu and Reddita are 3.0+ only
There's a large selection of Tablet apps, use this to get the list https://market.android.com/details?id=com.andromo.dev86.app119
And ICS is coming to many devices early next year. Companies have already announced ICS tablets and more will be announced at CES.
Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
Yes, I was being a bit facetious, hence the smilie.
The point stands that HC is irrelevant going forward. Per graph below, it's just a blip on the Android radar. (Now we know why vendors aren't so keen on releasing more HC tablets.) Devs base their decision on market size. Whatever tab-specific action that will happen will be with GB and ICS later. Despite the "ICS is coming" hoopla, software is typically one cycle behind the OS. That won't change, especially with the unproven state of the Android tablet market. For the near future, most Android apps/games will still be phones-first.
>Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
The reality is that GB will still be predominant for most if not all of 2012. It'll take about that long for ICS to achieve critical mass. The whole horde of Android phones that are on 2-yr contracts won't be ditched overnight.
It's academic anyway since we're talking about a 7" device. Most current tab-specific apps are optimized for the larger real-estate of 9/10" units. In fact, you can wander over to the Iconia A100 forum and hear the laments of incompatible apps on that HC 7" device.
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I read through it all but since Im on an ipod its a pain to quote everythig. But anyway Im just gonna search for a tablet that is good in that price range and is fun to play around with. Ill give you all thumbs up when I get home, sorry, I didnt get home til 11 last night so I couldnt even get on my computer to even view the thread to give you all thumbs up.
I understand that the nook tablet doesnt have what I want and the nook color has the rooting features and development that I want but it has weaker hardware so I wouldnt be able to install ics or something else on it in the future.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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Yeah idc about size, if it fits in my backpack, it works for me. Thanks for the recommendations!
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I own both the NC and NT...
I have owned the NC since Jan 2011. Dual boot, run cm7 off sd card, does all that it can. I have over 80 apps working on it. Have read 35+ books on the NC.
I also own the NT since mid Nov 2011. It does Hulu + great just finished watching a 2 hour movie. And have rooted it and it getting mods made for it. I really like the 2 cpu's and snappy screens. It just works for me. Really like reading more on NT than NC, just faster screen stuff. I have all the same apps on it that I have on the NC.
I also own a full windows 7" tablet, but NT is my choice at the end of the day, it does it all.
BloodyRory said:
Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
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Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
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If you want storage space, or the ability to play *almost* hd video, then do not get the kindle fire.
Many of us bought the NT because NC had an unlocked boot loader, thinking that NT will also be unlocked.
Now how many of us will buy the next Nook.....I'm already out.
Guys there a deal for today at ebay.com for Nook Tablet from B&N that gives it for only 199$
yep.. couldnt refuse at that price point.. they got rid of the coupon.. so just $199 outright.. so saves on taxes if your state requires collecting it.. debated.. but i just cant say no to a deal like that.. loved the original NC.. was a solid piece of kit.. so i know i'll love the tablet..
I would get it as well but I live outside USA so.... :/
I jumped on this too. I've been following various websites for a better price and this is by far the best I've found (without having to do any pricematch/coupon shenanegans).
And the offer runs to Feb 23, apparently. Hope this establishes the new price point !
B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it.
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Thanks, talked me out of it in the nick of time!
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B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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damnnn uhh now I don't want the nook tablet anymore
edit: there doesn't seem to be much development for Asus tabs?? ? why is there no cm9 alpha or anything I know these usually have honeycomb stock...
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Well I for one am still very happy with mine. The wifi bug isn't that bad, and I have confidence the devs will get it under control. I have no problem accessing ask the space I need, and the battery life is incredible.
Having great dev support is not something to take lightly. The guys working on the NT are doing a great job. My Samsung Fascinate didn't have a usable CM7 until it had been out for almost a year. I wouldn't put it past them to get better multi-touch support for this device as well.
All in all, it's a great device, and the great dev support makes it even better.
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B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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I thought the Kindle Fire only recognized 2 points on the touch screen as well. At least thats what many review for the game Nova (kindle fire edition) on the Amazon app store say. http://www.amazon.com/Near-Orbit-Va...1?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1329581136&sr=1-1
Hi couple of questions before i decide to take the plunge
1)Have the devs found out how to use the 12GB space that BN owns
2)How easy is this to root?
thanks!
I ordered it two days ago, can't wait to get it in the mail now.
The B&N - not a good deal at $250?
Oh, come on. There's always something "new" in the horizon - better, faster and cheaper (ie, the Quad Core Asus). And if you wait long enough for the Asus, something *even* better will be "just around the corner".
The B&N is, for me, an*incredible* deal. I own a Galaxy SII, a Motorola Atrix (heavily modded) and I got an iPad 2 at the office. I can't believe how much I got when I bought my Nook for $250. I'd definitely do it again. It's *not* only a good eReader - it's a tremendous game machine (I haven't yet found a single game with any sort of lag), a great browser, a perfect multimedia device... the list goes on and on. IMHO, I'd rather have the Nook than my iPad, it's far, far more useful right now (rooted, with GoLaunch EX and minor tweaks). CM7 will only make things better.
Its problems are trivial. No true multitouch? Why would it be a dealbreaker? Wi-Fi bug? I've seen it every once in a while - my HP laptop is far, far worse. What else is there? Nothing. Again, to me, it delivers far more than I ever expected out of it.
I've seen cheaper tablets around - some chinese junk running at 1.5 GHz (LOL). They look cheap and have no warranties whatsoever. For me, the NT and the KF are what tablets are all about, and I'd rather own either one of them than wait for something that may or may not come out soon (the Asus Quad Core).
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The B&N - not a good deal at $250?
Oh, come on. There's always something "new" in the horizon - better, faster and cheaper (ie, the Quad Core Asus). And if you wait long enough for the Asus, something *even* better will be "just around the corner".
The B&N is, for me, an*incredible* deal. I own a Galaxy SII, a Motorola Atrix (heavily modded) and I got an iPad 2 at the office. I can't believe how much I got when I bought my Nook for $250. I'd definitely do it again. It's *not* only a good eReader - it's a tremendous game machine (I haven't yet found a single game with any sort of lag), a great browser, a perfect multimedia device... the list goes on and on. IMHO, I'd rather have the Nook than my iPad, it's far, far more useful right now (rooted, with GoLaunch EX and minor tweaks). CM7 will only make things better.
Its problems are trivial. No true multitouch? Why would it be a dealbreaker? Wi-Fi bug? I've seen it every once in a while - my HP laptop is far, far worse. What else is there? Nothing. Again, to me, it delivers far more than I ever expected out of it.
I've seen cheaper tablets around - some chinese junk running at 1.5 GHz (LOL). They look cheap and have no warranties whatsoever. For me, the NT and the KF are what tablets are all about, and I'd rather own either one of them than wait for something that may or may not come out soon (the Asus Quad Core).
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Well said i think exactly as you do and not because the a new tablet with more specifications with same or better price is round the corner means the quality will be good and the development for it will be fast, so far with the nook tablet devs have done an amazing job far before than what i ever expected. There is always people that do not appreciate the work that is being done and on top of that they ask for more, unfortunately XDA has got many of those, its a shame.
I think the nook tablet is an investment and i feel very happy with it, i will for sure enjoy it for a while and once another good deal like the NT comes out with decent hardware (not Chinese junk as @fjhuerta say) and green lights for development maybe then i would think in upgrade.
~ Veronica
openallnight said:
Hi couple of questions before i decide to take the plunge
1)Have the devs found out how to use the 12GB space that BN owns
2)How easy is this to root?
thanks!
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1) yes
2) very easy...check put the development forum and you'll see the one click root. In a few days CM7 will be released in greater fashion than previously. In a month or so the nook tablet and its downfalls will be completely absent. The devs have been incredible with this device and it's only getting better and better. I purchased mine on release day and my love for it grows by the day. I've owned the kindle fire as well...but I did return it because it lacked the ram power of the nook tablet, and I could certainly tell(yes I was rooted on it as well).
Trust your gut. In the long run, I think if you choose the nook tablet, you'll be extremely happy.
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Got my tablet for $150 on craigslist WITH a 16gb SD card and a case included! *steal*
Bought my girl the NC off eBay for $150. Not bad I guess.
NT rooted with CM7
NC rooted with ICS CM9
I think I like the NC better now lol. Will the NT ever see ICS?
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Got my tablet for $150 on craigslist WITH a 16gb SD card and a case included! *steal*
Bought my girl the NC off eBay for $150. Not bad I guess.
NT rooted with CM7
NC rooted with ICS CM9
I think I like the NC better now lol. Will the NT ever see ICS?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440438
Got mine too
though as ever as soon as I buy something they announce the next version
I wonder if this deal involves the new model of NT with only 8G of internal memory (instead of 16G)? This model can also be purchased from the BN website:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969?ean=9781400501779
take note of the 512mb ram as well so not only is the 8 gig model less storage space...but also down to 512mb system ram. I was hoping they'd keep the 1 gig ram but just lower the 'hdd' shame not :/
Hi All,
I know, there are many threads about KF vs NT, sorry for another one, I just haven't found my answer yet about following.
I'm visiting US and plan to buy a souvenir - either Kindle Fire or Nook Tablet. I lean towards NT slightly - because of the SD slot and RAM. I'm worried about locked bootloader however.
I would like to use the tablet for video playback, surfing the web, playing some games.
I'd like to have there ICS/CM9 one day. And that's the question. We have seen big progress in NT hacking recently, but it's definitely behind the state of KF development (of course thanks to B&N obstacles).
Is it only a matter of time and effort till NT gets working ICS (capable of reasonably smooth performance including video playback, etc.), or is it still a mystery, whether we ever get there? How big is the risk of ending with devs giving up due to some B&N obstacle?
Thanks for your opinions/knowledge, I'm scratching my head for 1,5 months already
Aleq
Based on what we're seeing with CM7 I don't see any impossible hurdles for CM9. It's just a lot more work and a much less mature project. I'd say NT is a no brainer over KF.
Cool, Nook Tablet with only 8GB of storage was introduces for $50 less, $199 total. It keeps the SD slot so I'd say that's a great deal.
I just hope no new bootloader (with new hacking countermeasures) comes with it or it gets cracked soon.
UPDATE: Too bad, the RAM has been cut from 1GB to 512MB :-(
I am a amazon prime member/amazon fanboy try to buy everything there and was really excited in the summer when I heard amazon was making their own line of tablets.
Then it was finally announced and I was like wtf seriously... 8gb or storage and no sd card slot plus the dreaded power button and no volume control buttons. I was massively disappointed and planned to wait till they updated the kindle but since the NT was on sale for 200 I bought it and couldn't be happier for my needs. Before I was using a coby tablet with lower res screen and no development since no firmware is public.
KF seems useless until updated with sd card/moved power button
Aleq said:
Hi All,
I'd like to have there ICS/CM9 one day. And that's the question. We have seen big progress in NT hacking recently, but it's definitely behind the state of KF development (of course thanks to B&N obstacles).
Aleq
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I am really interesting in this problem too, NT hardware is much better but software development it’s far behind than KF.
What B&N obstacles are you taking about?
Judging by the youtube videos I have seen, CM9 is coming along nicely. I think once a 3.0+ working kernel is working, it will only be a matter of time.
The obstacles with the NT are B&N's bootloader being locked down and continuously changing. That keeps holding up development as new fixes are constantly being needed to progress further. Now, it seems, with the introduction of the 8GB version, it seems to be stalling a bit again while current progress is ported over to that build as well. I may be wrong on that, but that's the way it seems to me.
So I bought Nook Tablet and I'm loving it. Best souvenir from vacation ever
Running so far only rooted stock 1.4.2 + Android Market. Looking at CM7, looking forward to CM9.
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Locked bootloader, new firmwares removing root and preventing old rooting methods.
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The only thing I disliked about my Nook is the fact that the B&N store is useless outside the States.
So using CM7 is pretty much obligatory for me.
That's true, but partly the same applies to Amazon Store - foreigners are not allowed to make purchases there.
Hacking - root + Market (Play, eh.) or CM7 / CM9 (it's coming!) was always the main reason for me to get one. I wouldn't be buying either of two, if it would be locked to stock forever
Hello folks,
I have a question regarding the Nook tablet. I was making a delivery to a customer this morning and he has a Nook 16GBTablet. We got to talking and he indicated that he was going to sell it since his wife didn't use it. It looks like new physically and I am considering obtaining it for one of my grandsons, basically so I can get my Nook Color with CM7.2 on it back from him. Is the Nook Tablet a worthwhile barter or would something else be better? I bought a Samsung Tab2 7" tablet for a younger grandson a couple of weeks ago and he really likes it, But I don't think I can get a deal like I got for the Samsung. I only gave $169 for it new, still sealed in the box and I doubt I will find another deal like that as I'm pretty sure the fella sold it to me for less than he paid for it. I'm getting off track here, what I need to know is if the Nook Tablet is even a worthwhile Andriod tablet or would I be better off waiting a bit for the new, different brand tablets to come out?
Check swappa.com and see the prices for the tablets. Maybe you get to catch a good deal, I bought my Samsung captivate there and loving it. The nook is worth it in my opinion and the deal breaker is the sdcard slot . Nexus 7 temps me but no sdcard slot no way I buy it, anyways for what I do the nook tablet is enough. Tho I know kids love games and probably that is what they do in their tablets more than anything and the nook does a decent job with kids games, heavy games not that good.
Tablets with Tegra 2 chip is gamers glory and with dual/quad cores is a dream but your budget is not enough.
Good luck!
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The nexus 7 is ( in my humble opinion ) the product of the year. The other major producers were surprised and knocked back on their butt. Now they have to answer back with something equal or better. Then there is the argument that it is 'not' just the product but the 'exosphere' along with the product. Lastly, the Nook is a fine performing tablet.
The Nook Tablet, was made to be a reader, but the xda community saw it to having more potential then BN wanted it to. The Nook Tablet has gone far from becoming a full-fledged reader into a usable, 7-inch Android tablet wonder. The Nook was at the bottom along with it's brother in technology, the Kindle Fire, as it was a reader, but it has pushed to the top, and now is one of the most popular tablets out there. I have a Nexus 7 myself, and it is amazing, but was at the top from when it was born. The Nook, and the great devs of this forum, had to work it up there, while BN did not help even once, except for the kernel. We even have our own nearly working kernel, thanks to Rebellos, Chris, and Kuzma. We have succeeded in reaching the latest Google experience, Jelly Bean AKA Android 4.1, and the devs hope to keep working and catching up with Google. As the problems slide off the radar, more devs have appeared. The Nook may not be a Nexus 7, but it sure damn does the job like it.
From what I've heard/read/seen I could make such list of tablets in this class, from best to slighty worse
1) Nexus7
2) Nook Tablet
3) Kindle Fire (note this has got better Android support than NookTab for now <points at Hashcode>)
4) Nook Color
There are for sure others, but I don't know others.
Also, if you want to use it as overpowered Android device someday - get 16GB version, it has got 1GB of RAM, while 8GB ver got 512MB of RAM and it might be not enough for some games, more browser tabs, etc.
Thanks for the opinions.
If I and the owner decide to work out a barter I may do the deal. Cash purchases are not many, but I do quite a bit of bartering and it is a 16GB Tablet. Have a 14 almost 15 year old grandson that could make good use of it I believe. Don't know how savvy he would be to rooting the Nook though he is really good with computers, he fixes all my messups.
When the reboot bug gets squashed expect lovely things coming along.
I get 1.9Mpixel/sec on this test on default clocks.
http://www.ziilabs.com/products/software/mandelmark.php
0.1Mpixel/sec more than Galaxy nexus o.o
Imagine 2x1.2ghz and gpu from 308mhz to 384mhz that can be easily be achieved without any problems as our platform 2.3ES defaults to 1.2ghz.
Is not implemented yet because of the 1st priority is to fix that reboot bug!
Also new drivers for graphic card are release from ti DDK1.9 i guess more speed will be possible also with them implemented
http://www.omapzoom.org/?p=device/t...it;h=ad17249821001789f159a5d5c542302e5f38cd2e
When our developers finish with this board you will have nothing to be jealous from Nexus7.
You would be able to play anything you throw at it
Edit: 2.2 Mpixels/sec on DDK1.9