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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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anon2122 said:
From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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I did have a very good look at all three Froyos ROMs and then I installed 2.1 again, Android 2.1 is so far 100% better for the HTC Hero, in my opinion.
I don't think I miss much by having to individually update the apps, especially since I don't like being the first to update apps as not all updates are for the best (E.G. Astro (now with adds))
Although the Rom is meant to be faster I found it a lot slower, even though I was using Set CPU, only Fusion Rom was decent (but as other roms still had reliability problems). With 2.1 everything is much faster.
I will probably try Android 2.2 again, but I will probably wait till there is a version with Sense as in my opinion Launcher pro (plus) is so inferior in comparison. Sense is a very important feature in my opinion.
Between Android 1.5 > 2.1 there was a big difference and it was worth updating, here no such difference exist, and the main attraction of 2.2 the ability to play proper flash does not work with the Hero.
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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wayferer said:
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Yeah, i'd agree. Wait another week or two, till the issues start to go, then look again
tbh i think it is good that the scene is moving towards 2.2.
sure things dont fully work atm and certain features wont be beneficial on the hero, but at least there are people working on it so that there is an option if it is needed/wanted.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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I just posted (on my two posts) on what we have available at the moment, and what we know about Android 2.2 in relation to flash, app2sd and automatic updates. No matter what rom comes out in the future these problems will persist.
I agree that all the roms we have are just beta-like versions, and that I am hopeful that the roms will be faster in due time. I even mentioned in my 2nd post that I will try Android 2.2 again once someone manages to incorporate HTC sense to it.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
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I 100% agree with you, and I fully appreciate all the work that developers make in order to develop these roms. But at this moment in time, I found that upgrading my phone to Android 2.2 felt more of a downgrade (excluding Fusion, to some extent).
To be honest ill be very surprised, if we ever get a good Froyo rom, which is as fast as the 2.1 roms and works properly with flash. But we will have to wait and see.
Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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I can be even more specific. A few days after HTC does the first Sense Froyo ROM for Slide or Legend. But no idea how good these ROMs will be, as there will be porting needed.
Hi to all XDA members,
Got an X10a with Global 2.0.2.A.0.24 rooted with Dual Touch....
i want to change my ROM to a custom ROM.....
I went to XPERIA X10 Android Development sub-forum and found lots and lots of customed ROM.......
so i want to know and have suggestions which is the best custom (2.1)ROM for X10a which has least bug(rather say no bug) and can work blazing fast......
Also Is it possible that Flash (adobe flash) can be pushed in to 2.1 ???...... can it be done ?
" I m really sorry if this is re-post since i tried to find it on X10 Q&A sub forum didnt got any such details "
i'm Using Eminence and installed Eternity 2 in my friends X10 and i vote for Eternity 2 . it's more faster and easier and jit included.
pick one you like.
I recommend eminence v1.2
I'm obviously biased, but check out kX10: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913610
Why bother with a 2.1 rom when free10x has a working camera and is a million times better than any 2.1 rom? Get with the times
If you want something stable, use the modded SE roms like Eternity or X10iUser's rom. ( Basically Sony's normal 2.1, with some theming and tweaking; no Flash on these ones )
If you want to experiment with the newer Android versions, I'd suggest using Z's FreeX10 2.2 b2. However, this rom is still under beta stage, most of the functions work, but there will definitely be some glitches here and there. ( FreeX10 2.2 is capable of Flash 10.1 )
PS: do everyone a favour and make sure you READ all the info of that rom before posting in the dev section.
Best of luck.
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Why bother with a 2.1 rom when free10x has a working camera and is a million times better than any 2.1 rom? Get with the times
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True, the >2.1 ROMs are nice, but I completely rely on my phone. There's still too many bugs, and they aren't 100% stable. Plus I see no benefit other than Flash, which is not a benefit to me.
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True, the >2.1 ROMs are nice, but I completely rely on my phone. There's still too many bugs, and they aren't 100% stable. Plus I see no benefit other than Flash, which is not a benefit to me.
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I have not had a single reboot or issue whatsoever.. I have found it to be 100% stable..
Well if you consider having your quadrant score nearly double (mine is 1500+ now, was like 800 before), not to mention the far superior memory management of froyo, I think you'll see there are far more benefits than just flash. Do some research on it..
Well i use Eternity, and I love it, and its blazing fast with no problems
I would highly recommend that if you go for 2.1,
I can't say anything about the 2.2, because i'm holding back until the video capture works correctly (i think that the only problem now, right? or was that fixed?)
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Well i use Eternity, and I love it, and its blazing fast with no problems
I would highly recommend that if you go for 2.1,
I can't say anything about the 2.2, because i'm holding back until the video capture works correctly (i think that the only problem now, right? or was that fixed?)
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higher battery consuming (around 20 hours) - Many Apps FC Specially Task Managers - other small bugs . Z Did a Great Job in his FW but still not completely stable .....as a smartphones user who likes to show his X10 to his friends you don't want to see your x10 reboots more than 1 time per a day. It's annoying . Once the camcorder is implemented and these bugs are fixed i will directly install the 2.2 fw on my smartphone . I'm Really Excited .
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higher battery consuming (around 20 hours) - Many Apps FC Specially Task Managers - other small bugs . Z Did a Great Job in his FW but still not completely stable .....as a smartphones user who likes to show his X10 to his friends you don't want to see your x10 reboots more than 1 time per a day. It's annoying . Once the camcorder is implemented and these bugs are fixed i will directly install the 2.2 fw on my smartphone . I'm Really Excited .
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You don't need task managers or killers with froyo, they have issues even on official froyo. Read up in it.
I have not have even one reboot.. also the battery consumption is actually better than 2.1 due to the better memory management.
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I have not had a single reboot or issue whatsoever.. I have found it to be 100% stable..
Well if you consider having your quadrant score nearly double (mine is 1500+ now, was like 800 before), not to mention the far superior memory management of froyo, I think you'll see there are far more benefits than just flash. Do some research on it..
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I didn't mean to offend you. I have read up on it, and while the higher Quadrant scores are nice, I didn't see any real-life performance improvements over a tweaked 2.1. Maybe others do, I don't know. I'm just saying that for me, I would rather have a rock solid ROM than a few bells and whistles.
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higher battery consuming (around 20 hours) - Many Apps FC Specially Task Managers - other small bugs . Z Did a Great Job in his FW but still not completely stable .....as a smartphones user who likes to show his X10 to his friends you don't want to see your x10 reboots more than 1 time per a day. It's annoying . Once the camcorder is implemented and these bugs are fixed i will directly install the 2.2 fw on my smartphone . I'm Really Excited .
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That's exactly why I can't use 2.2 as a daily ROM. If they ever get 2.2 or 2.3 out of beta, I will definitely use that instead of 2.1.
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You don't need task managers or killers with froyo, they have issues even on official froyo. Read up in it.
I have not have even one reboot.. also the battery consumption is actually better than 2.1 due to the better memory management.
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Everyone's experiences will vary.
my new Atrix came with 2.2 froyo dont laugh but i do love this stock rom more than the new gingerbread my friends just keep telling me to upgrade my phone and my question here is what is the benefits of upgrading other than the icons, themes , widgets ...ect thanks
More features, availability of ROMs, unlocking etc. Currently on neutrino gt... if you like froyo more than neutrino...please, go jump off the biggest building you can find...lol. its not possible
1. off all its the visual telephony option for me.
2. Froyo doesn't use the two cores. so, the speed isn't so good.
3. 2.3.6 has firefox 8 for the webdock. it's faster and better if you use it.
a lot more customizability and performance
Would you please link me some of the best custom roms thanks in advance .
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Would you please link me some of the best custom roms thanks in advance .
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574 2.3.7 very good, very stable, long batterylife, no webtop
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430608 2.3.6 with blur, very smooth, but its in the beginning of development, so it has some bugs
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1. off all its the visual telephony option for me.
2. Froyo doesn't use the two cores. so, the speed isn't so good.
3. 2.3.6 has firefox 8 for the webdock. it's faster and better if you use it.
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Its been a while but I seem to remember that Moto's Froyo on the Atrix was "optimized" for two cores, not sure exactly what they did to "optimize" it, but I would say that #2 on this list is not correct.
The biggest thing and the one reason you should ALWAYS upgrade is for security reasons, the new features are great, but with each new version come bugfixes and security enhancements and those you should not pass on.
Hey All,
What is the best stable (full featured) ROM for the x10i? Last ROM I installed was TEAM ROM v4.0 a year ago, recently upgraded to an S3 and am handing down old faithful to my daughter and want to get it running smoothly for her....she is technically inclined so I need something that is G2G no additional flashing or modding required. Any current recommendations appreciated...I realize that most ICS ROMS will be out of the questions...that is fine, GB = Happy. Thanks in advance.
PS - When I wiped the phone the home button lost its binding...working to wake the screen, but not as a multifunction button.
Hi bro,
if you like SONY's UI Achotjan V2 should be the best option, link :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690148
Some bugs was reported (MMS on some provider, Bravia Engine) fixed, try to find it on that thread.
FYI
SFL44 said:
Hey All,
What is the best stable (full featured) ROM for the x10i? Last ROM I installed was TEAM ROM v4.0 a year ago, recently upgraded to an S3 and am handing down old faithful to my daughter and want to get it running smoothly for her....she is technically inclined so I need something that is G2G no additional flashing or modding required. Any current recommendations appreciated...I realize that most ICS ROMS will be out of the questions...that is fine, GB = Happy. Thanks in advance.
PS - When I wiped the phone the home button lost its binding...working to wake the screen, but not as a multifunction button.
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I think the best ROM is donutHD. It's smooth(highest benchmark) and very stable.everything is working
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I agree with Jakuburban. DonatHD 2.2.9 is best GB rom for X10i. Recommendations......
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SFL44 said:
Hey All,
What is the best stable (full featured) ROM for the x10i? Last ROM I installed was TEAM ROM v4.0 a year ago, recently upgraded to an S3 and am handing down old faithful to my daughter and want to get it running smoothly for her....she is technically inclined so I need something that is G2G no additional flashing or modding required. Any current recommendations appreciated...I realize that most ICS ROMS will be out of the questions...that is fine, GB = Happy. Thanks in advance.
PS - When I wiped the phone the home button lost its binding...working to wake the screen, but not as a multifunction button.
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Hay ..
all ROM for Xperia is good, but for ICS and JB there are some bugs. For example, Video Recording. If you intend to try but note that there is a problem faced by other users who have installed first.:silly:
Cm7zmod is the best, hands down. The performance offered by ZMOD eclipses all other gingerbread roms, even donutHD.
Achotjan Stock Remplacement Rom V2 is my best rom :good:
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the best rom is donat hd
its smooth and stable and its jellybean/ics themed , its awesome
Few ROMs Usage - Comments
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a bit of my own personal experience with a few of the X10 roms i tried for some time.
Keep in mind that the daily use was more or less the same for all ROMs and is as follows:
Telephony(calls), data usage (both wifi & 3G), gaming (quite a lot actually), camera (videos + pics), music and even watching videos (rarely).
- Stock 2.3.3: used this for a long time, once it was officially released by SE. When i bought the X10 it had 1.6!! then went to 2.1.
Then i joined the xda family here. Anyways, the overall 2.3.3 rating was that UI is slow and battery drainage is high. (I even charged it twice during a single day!!!)
- CM7-ZMOD-003: used for months. Overall rating was that UI speed is noticeably much faster than stock, but battery drainage is slightly better than with stock 2.3.3.
What i did not like so much was that i had to add another launcher because most toggle widgets i use would not work on the built in loader. Don't know why.
- Then i went back to stock 2.3.3 and tried various themes, launchers (like GO EX, Galaxy S3) but this only made UI much slower (response) and battery drained faster.
The look was nice but as long as you add extra stuff, its only logic that the power drain increases and UI performance decreases.
- FeraLab*** ICS v4 (17/11/2012) - Finally, i wanted to try this (obviously)
Had to learn to unlock BL which was interesting and finally was able to do it ..(after reading carefully - many thanks to all who contribute).
Used it for a month until recently.
The major difference in my case, was that the battery drain was much much less than with any other ROM of the above. This is a major PLUS!.
The only downside was that UI is a little slower but this is expected as the 4.x OS needs more power to sustain, since the X10 was not built for 4.x OS.
Another major factor for me was that, some of the games i played on any 2.x.x OS, will not run on the 4.x OS, like Plants vs Zombies (which is one of my favorites),
I have 3 different apk's saved but either of them work on ICS. Probably they are written for 2.x OS only.
So, now i'm back to stock 2.3.3 and will try a few other candidates that are in xda and see if i finally decide to stay on one, or simply buy a newer phone and more powerful one.
Since i am rather new at all this, i would also like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who contributes to xda in any way.
Just wanted to share something back.
Regards,
Eros
dta1eros said:
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a bit of my own personal experience with a few of the X10 roms i tried for some time.
Keep in mind that the daily use was more or less the same for all ROMs and is as follows:
Telephony(calls), data usage (both wifi & 3G), gaming (quite a lot actually), camera (videos + pics), music and even watching videos (rarely).
- Stock 2.3.3: used this for a long time, once it was officially released by SE. When i bought the X10 it had 1.6!! then went to 2.1.
Then i joined the xda family here. Anyways, the overall 2.3.3 rating was that UI is slow and battery drainage is high. (I even charged it twice during a single day!!!)
- CM7-ZMOD-003: used for months. Overall rating was that UI speed is noticeably much faster than stock, but battery drainage is slightly better than with stock 2.3.3.
What i did not like so much was that i had to add another launcher because most toggle widgets i use would not work on the built in loader. Don't know why.
- Then i went back to stock 2.3.3 and tried various themes, launchers (like GO EX, Galaxy S3) but this only made UI much slower (response) and battery drained faster.
The look was nice but as long as you add extra stuff, its only logic that the power drain increases and UI performance decreases.
- FeraLab*** ICS v4 (17/11/2012) - Finally, i wanted to try this (obviously)
Had to learn to unlock BL which was interesting and finally was able to do it ..(after reading carefully - many thanks to all who contribute).
Used it for a month until recently.
The major difference in my case, was that the battery drain was much much less than with any other ROM of the above. This is a major PLUS!.
The only downside was that UI is a little slower but this is expected as the 4.x OS needs more power to sustain, since the X10 was not built for 4.x OS.
Another major factor for me was that, some of the games i played on any 2.x.x OS, will not run on the 4.x OS, like Plants vs Zombies (which is one of my favorites),
I have 3 different apk's saved but either of them work on ICS. Probably they are written for 2.x OS only.
So, now i'm back to stock 2.3.3 and will try a few other candidates that are in xda and see if i finally decide to stay on one, or simply buy a newer phone and more powerful one.
Since i am rather new at all this, i would also like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who contributes to xda in any way.
Just wanted to share something back.
Regards,
Eros
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If you have the money, go for a new phone. The X10 is more like a ghost these days. Or you could try CM10 by scritch007, which everyone says is really smooth. There's also donutHD, which will give a good stock-based ROM (imo not nearly as smooth as ZMOD, but has better battery life). Or you could try on of the gaming ROMs, those are sure to have the maximum free RAM available..
I'm just generally asking peoples opinions, not which rom is best, or which provides the most battery life. But just generally we all know there has been slight decrease in battery since ICS and Jellybean, and I do remember having at least a bit more battery life than I do now when I was on GB. So people's opinions, does anyone think it's worth going back to GB?
No. It's like asking 'Would you rather go back to Windoze 3.1 ?' (A: Only if I can go back to 1993). Making an absolute statement like 'Battery life running GB stock is better than running ICS or JB stock' is nonsense. For some people & some phone setups, sure, they might well get better battery life running GB stock. And for a whole bunch of other people, that won't be the case.
So it's not a particularly meaningful question to begin with due to the variables involved.
Bungle is right.GB is very old.A lot of apps are made to support Android 4.0/4.1 +.With GB you will lose this
Battery life was better on gb but jb is so much faster, smoother and better looking! so its worth the extra battery usage
Haha well I do like the extra performance and looks but I'd also like the extra battery life, trying to find a balance in ROMs and kernels just to find my phone to last a whole day without being used and losing 50% battery is really hard for me D:
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I used neatrom base 4.0.4 Ver 3.6 Battery is used 3h40' On Screen for Download, web.., Wait time: 12h.
mate i can use nearly 4+ oc browsing
battery depend on many things, gb is to old ,isc is crap ,wifh jb u have to options stock(custom) or cm10.1-2 4.2.2 just read anojt and chose .
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for me GB is an escape pod for people who needs a lot of ram and would like the old vs the new, since the JB uses up a lot of ram even from just stock apps but lacks style and interface, it's ugly when you look at it from a person who has a JB. S
Rooted stock GB for me,with speedmod kernel.
I wouldnt use anything else.
Why are you using GB theunderling? What are the exact benefits?
I'm also thinking about going back to GB
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Why are you using GB theunderling? What are the exact benefits?
I'm also thinking about going back to GB
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I use it because it works as it should and has the best battery life;for me.
Ive tried loads of custom roms and Ive found theres always one problem or other,or the battery life is poor.
This isnt criticism of developers work,but I just use what I said earlier with the Samsung bloatware removed.
And these type of threads arent advised,as theres 1000s of different setups available which work differently for each user;thus can result in arguments.
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for me GB is an escape pod for people who needs a lot of ram and would like the old vs the new, since the JB uses up a lot of ram even from just stock apps but lacks style and interface, it's ugly when you look at it from a person who has a JB. S
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mate on 4.2.2 + dorimax and system is smooth battery frindly when u how to set and i prepared system when boot i have nearly 500mb ram free and usualy 300+ and all aps work ,
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