Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
When vista first came out, it was the latest and "greatest", and I was one of the first ones to "upgrade" to vista. After a week, I "downgraded" down to xp again because I was getting ready to throw my computer out the window with vista.
We know for a fact that honeycomb is buggy and laggy. It's not a 3.0 version. It's really a 1.0 version. Ginger lacks HW acceleration support.
Froyo, on the other hand, is fast, stable, and basically could do almost everything that ginger or honeycomb could.
As always, I highly recommend you sell your gtab and buy an ipad 2.
But really, do you value latest and "greatest" more than stability?
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Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
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I am not sure its correct to sum it like that, latest and greatest doesn't necessarily mean "unstable and slow".
Gingerbread based roms (though I can only personally speak for CM7) are as stable on my gtab as was any Froyo based rom. Overclocking on ginerbread is stable enough (@ 1.4ghz) that it certainly provides an acceptable HD video playback (even in the absence of hardware accelerated drivers on GB).
IMHO the way to move is forward, it might not as polished or as complete as what we currently have but it's certainly not unstable or slow as some might think (given that "forward" is within the limitations of our hardware). Without many of us adopting these upgrades it will never drive enough interest for developers to spend time polishing it and fixing the potential bugs.
Just my 2 cents,
goodintentions said:
Ok, it seems to me that a lot of people want to use ginger or honeycomb but then complain about the lack of HW acceleration support or whatnot. To me, this is an issue of latest and "greatest" versus stability.
As always, I highly recommend you sell your gtab and buy an ipad 2.
But really, do you value latest and "greatest" more than stability?
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I have no idea what others use their tabs for but for my own personal use (browsing on the couch, citrix work apps, ebooks, few games), the latest release of CM7 is stable enough for me. In fact, I really have no issues with it.
Is Apple paying for the free advert for iPad2? Who wants a tab without Flash content consumption? Who needs to be tied to iTunes? Google already has a good cloud service to plug into in their ecosystem. Where is Apple 's?
Since going to VeganGinger, Ive had practically zero qualms with it (atleast no more then Froyo). But did I go to it because its so much better and faster than Froyo? Not necessarily, unless we're talking the placebo effect. I moved to GB because it was the 'latest and greatest' and like aasoror put so eloquently thats the only way to move in the techy world. So what do I prefer latest/greatest or stability/speed? Both Who's to say I cant have my cake and eat it too?
As a side note: Vista IMO is a bad analogy here, mainly because it was $&%T and in MS's eyes merely a testing platform towards W7. And W7 is really just a stepping towards Midora, whereas Android's OS's (from what Ive learned in that past month atleast) are more of a particular flavor for each one which I'm falling in love with more every day
Ginger and honeycomb are why I got the gtab. To play with them. Oh, and it works well for actual use as a tablet, too.
I don't really get what hardware acceleration is....is it when you turn your device in portrait mode/landscape mode? because i heard that Vegan Tab GingerEdition doesn't support hardware Acceleration
Hardware acceleration allows a hardware to operate faster than what the software can do. In the gtab, when we say hardware acceleration we are actually referring mostly to audio and graphics hardware acceleration.
Try to think of it this way. Suppose you are put into a maze and you want to get the other side. Without a map, you'd be wandering around until you get to the end. If you're smart, you can mark where you were, draw out a map as you go along, and even explore the maze in a pattern that allows you to find the route faster.
But wouldn't it be much easier if someone gives you the map of the maze and all you have to do is follow the map and voila you're done?
That's what hardware acceleration is. The cpu is sequential, performing one function at a time. Just the software alone isn't enough to optimize the hardware (audio and graphics). We need the drivers for them for optimization.
Unfortunately, those bastards at nvidia and google decided orphan harmony users barely 4 months after its release. Greedy corporate SoBs.
that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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that's an awesome explanation, nice one!
But yes, no gingerbread support for our hardware's drivers which means things will rely more on CPU power and take more resources to do. Currently, since the device shipped with Froyo, Froyo drivers are all we got. However, if I understand correctly, an official Honeycomb rom was released for one of our sister devices, and we may be able to get native drivers from that.
We'll see.
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Unfortunately, if you're referring to the viewsonic 7 incher HC tab, it's not exactly a sister of the gtab. The gtab is an adopted child and the 7 incher is a birth child.
And also unfortunately, if you're referring to the adam, NI didn't release a HC update from the google source code. They released a hacked version ripped from the transformer.
Just stick with froyo for now.
OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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OK so you're telling me that i'm better off running a Froyo Rom then the GtabComb that is currently out just because of hardware acceleration?
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Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
Dishe said:
Sort of. He's saying that the only native hardware support currently exists in Froyo, so if you want everything to work as intended, that's really the best option.
If you want bleeding edge, its cool that we CAN run Honeycomb, but they are mostly frankenroms, pieced together from various sources and don't work 100%. I've noticed a dramatic difference in the way my tablet runs when I go back to Froyo from anything else- the transitions are smoother, response is faster, clicks more responsive, more apps work, hardware like the camera works, etc., and with hardware acceleration you can watch an HD video without resorting to overclocking and winding down your battery faster in the process.
Really, IMO, everything is better in Froyo and the only reason to have so much interest in the newer roms is for intellectual purposes (or just to say you can). They really don't run as well yet.
Now, there was a bit of a splash recently when someone on tabletroms managed to get a Honeycomb kernel from the Acer Iconia to boot on a Notion Ink Adam (very similar hardware to ours) without any modification. That means a lot of native driver support for Honeycomb might be coming soon. But not yet.
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Can you recommend me some Froyo ROMs that are stable, fast, fully functional, and has good battery life?
Thanks.
Vegan 5.1.1 is an old rom but all the hardware works. Plants vs Zombies works, but Gun Bros doesn't (at least on mine).
problem with 5.1.1 is that there isn't much support going on and some of the code is outdated.
Over at slatedroid, I'm trying out Brilliant Corners (based on vegantab, but more updated kernel, etc) and so far its everything 5.1.1 offers and then some. Quite happy with it, and everything seems to run full speed.
When I was running Ginger roms a month ago, I happened to review a Samsung Galaxy tab 10 and some other tablets with the same tegra 2 chipset as ours. I was so disappointed in my G-tab, I didn't realize how slow it had gotten without HW acceleration. Since installing Brilliant Corners, I'm much happier with it.
Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Brilliant Corners is a respected ROM and seems to be the best choice if you want to go to the 1.2 bootloader, but I'm not aware of anything in BC that is so much better than Vegan to make me bother changing.
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Includes an updated kernel with overclocking ability, etc, built in. You could technically flash your own kernel to use with Vegan, but I think there are some more little bugfixes as well since someone is actively working on it. For example, when Netflix wasn't working on it (before the recent update), Roebeet was actively trying to find out what made it work in CM7 so that the changes could be applied to his roms. He eventually did release some patches to get it partially working. VeganTab doesn't get that kind of love at the moment.
Caulkin
Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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Caulkin's Rom (Froyo) I feel is the best, minus the fact that the stock browser for it is awful. I've found it to be the fastest, and most stable with the best support for usb devices and mounting the gtab to a pc. Also, I would recommend installing pershoots Froyo kernel.
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caulkin's rom has issue with sound in mobo player. sound is extremely small almost muted. because of this, i'm going to beasty rom and so far happy with it
Hi,
I'm using a LG Optimus One right now and I'm looking to upgrade to the atrix.
I'm temporarily in the US and have found a really good deal on a used Atrix so I'm really tempted, however I've still got some questions:
1. Is the atrix able to run all games (even the dual-core ones) when it's running on stock rom?
2. Do you think it's worth for me to spend about 100 $ more to get a newer phone like the HTC Sensation? (I mean I'm not sure how big the difference between this two would be, and the atrix even has more ram)
3. How good does the fingerprint sensor work? It sounds really cool in theory but how good is it really?
4. Do you think in terms of overall experience (speed, smoothness of scrolling) the atrix is comparable to the iPhone 4?
Thanks in advance!
Edit: I want to be able to ocassionally do stuff on my phone with one hand? This is possible on smaller screens like my Optimus One but is it possible on the atrix?
I haven't had a lot of gaming experience (at least on the phone), but all the games I've tried that are compatible from the Market runs pretty smoothly on the Atrix.
To answer your question about the fingerprint sensor, it works quite well as an unlock safety mechanism, for me at least. Especially with the volume button unlock mod, and if you are willing, on custom roms that greatly reduced the lag that stock rom has for unlocking with finger swipe.
Other people also have luck in utilizing the sensor as a trackball during navigation or text selection.
As for one hand usage, I use the phone mostly with just one hand, and I'm even using swype exclusively to type. To me it's perfectly comfortable and I feel like it wouldn't be so if the phone was any bigger.
Here's what I think:
Q. Is the atrix able to run all games (even the dual-core ones) when it's running on stock rom?
A: So far I've been able to play everything I've thrown at it (stock or not), even the latest and greatest games. And if you mean dual-core games as Tegra games, of course it can play them, the Atrix is a Tegra 2 phone.
Q. Do you think it's worth for me to spend about 100 $ more to get a newer phone like the HTC Sensation? (I mean I'm not sure how big the difference between this two would be, and the atrix even has more ram)
A: You preatty much have it sorted out, I personally wouldn't go for the Sensation (or any other dual-core at the moment), in that case I would wait a bit longer to get a Tegra 3 phone.
Q. How good does the fingerprint sensor work? It sounds really cool in theory but how good is it really?
A: For me it's been a really great and useful feature since I track my car and control many of it's features (locks, alarm, etc) and also control several video survelliance cameras right from the Atrix, so the FP is a must for me.
Q. Do you think in terms of overall experience (speed, smoothness of scrolling) the atrix is comparable to the iPhone 4?
A: I consider the Atrix far superior than the iPhone 4 (this has been discussed over and over). I can list the features but it will get very lenghty. I will just mention a few:
1. Atrix is a 1 Ghz (overclockable) Dual-Core nVidia powered device. IPhone 4 is an 800 single core.
2. Removable (longer lasting) battery. The iphone's battery doesn't perform very well at all.
3. Android OS, subjective I know, but I rather have complete control of the OS since it's MY phone.
4. More RAM. Very important for performance.
5. Webtop and real HDMI output
Q: I want to be able to ocassionally do stuff on my phone with one hand? This is possible on smaller screens like my Optimus One but is it possible on the atrix?
A: Of course, I always install two different Keyboard layouts, Swift X Pro for two thumb typing, and Swype for one hand typing.
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Hi,
I currently own a Touch pad running Cyanogen Mod, Version 4.2.2 which I installed in 2013.
I'm confused about upgrading as their is many ROMS to choose from.
Can someone recommend me a stable rom with the latest version on android available for the touchpad, something that has everything working.
preve83 said:
Hi,
I currently own a Touch pad running Cyanogen Mod, Version 4.2.2 which I installed in 2013.
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A lot changed since 2013.
preve83 said:
I'm confused about upgrading as their is many ROMS to choose from.
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Does the Tablet has WebOS, or only Android?
New ROMS requires the system partition to be larger.
preve83 said:
Can someone recommend me a stable rom with the latest version on android available for the touchpad, something that has everything working.
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A ROM that all works, Bluetooth, Stable Wifi and camera is:
Evervolv 7.1.2 Android Nougat
My recommendation is to set the system partition to allow the installation of newer ROMS. Then any Android version can be flash until 9.
The Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with _Swap
Can be flash and will take care of everything, follow this guide, it also provides all the links to all ROMS.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
Any ROM can be flash ( install ), just wipe everything using TWRP 3.2 download zip files, copy to tablet and flash.
@HP_TOUCHPAD , Hello, I still can't believe we have support for the touch pad....
I flashed Evervolv 7.1.2 in my 1gb rab (black touchpad) and it didn't work quite well, it would often crash and every app would either become slow and unresponsive or simply crash..
The ram in my tp is just around some 830 mb and I noticed that the OS would use up as much as 220 to 250 mb. The touch pad was dead a long ago and I revived it back today, and I am planning to delete the Evervolv ROM and flash something else that wouldn't stuck or crash a lot, I only want to use it for Youtube and google searches(if not google app, maybe at least internet browsing using a browser).
What rom would you recommend that's not floppy and laggy and at the same time the one that can support Youtube and Internet browser ?
Now I know you said use the Evervolv 7.1.2, but I think I have either missed something while I was flashing or I downloaded an experimental rom, the Touchpad would literally become unresponsive to the touch(well ironically it's named "touchpad"), and a lot of times just drain the battery.
And, Yes I still have the web OS with the Evervolv9it was my first time flashing a rom so I let the Web OS stay as a fail safe, coz I was 15 when I first flashed a custom rom to the touchpad).
I just want to give it to my mom, so I want it to work smooth and stable(more importantly, I just want it to run youtube in a stable and smooth state)....
LN11211 said:
@HP_TOUCHPAD , Hello, I still can't believe we have support for the touch pad....
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I can not believe that my original touchpad from the fire sale still has a battery capacity as NEW, that one I do not use much. But I have others that do specially as a music player, yes is louD ! Best device that I will ever have.
LN11211 said:
I flashed Evervolv 7.1.2 in my 1gb rab (black touchpad) and it didn't work quite well, it would often crash and every app would either become slow and unresponsive or simply crash..
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Did you get the ROM from this guide?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
You are using WebOS, there is no need to do the Automatic Wipe All.
A lot has changed since 2011, is 2021 now and all ROMs have more memory up to the full 1GB and the highest CPU frequency.
LN11211 said:
The ram in my tp is just around some 830 mb and I noticed that the OS would use up as much as 220 to 250 mb. The touch pad was dead a long ago and I revived it back today, and I am planning to delete the Evervolv ROM and flash something else that wouldn't stuck or crash a lot, I only want to use it for Youtube and google searches(if not google app, maybe at least internet browsing using a browser).
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Dead long ago and it came back, it almost sound as the new Messiah that everyone has been waiting for !
It all depends on the kernel version, the MaXtreme 1836 is the fastest with more RAM.
There are other alternatives to youtube and the best browser to use is : https://www.bromite.org/
youtube alternatives apps.
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What rom would you recommend that's not floppy and laggy and at the same time the one that can support Youtube and Internet browser ?
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Evervolv 7.1.2, ( it all depends on the Kernel version that is use ) Do not use it with the original kernel, look at the guide of the different options.
LN11211 said:
Now I know you said use the Evervolv 7.1.2, but I think I have either missed something while I was flashing or I downloaded an experimental rom, the Touchpad would literally become unresponsive to the touch(well ironically it's named "touchpad"), and a lot of times just drain the battery.
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If that battery was not in use for a long time, it may actually have less capacity left.
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And, Yes I still have the web OS with the Evervolv9it was my first time flashing a rom so I let the Web OS stay as a fail safe, coz I was 15 when I first flashed a custom rom to the touchpad).
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Flashing is now done with TWRP 3.2 and all ROMs can be flash easily, working 100% all the time.
LN11211 said:
I just want to give it to my mom, so I want it to work smooth and stable(more importantly, I just want it to run youtube in a stable and smooth state)....
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The HP Touchpad works perfectly as a streaming device, either for music or video. But there are ways to set it up to get the most out of it that will allow it to perform. It can not be compare to an actual device in performance or user experience.
Is a device that can be fully customized to fit your specific needs. Flashing the ROM properly with the best kernel option is as important as the type of Apps. The Android options are too many and the user needs to experiment on it's own.
I also have a Touchpad with 4.2.2. that I installed on it and I'm wondering if there's any advantage of upgrading to another newer rom. The main issue here is this device is old and not very fast and so maybe its best to keep it on 4.2.2, unless someone can tell me that a newer rom would make this faster. New features in newer roms don't matter much if the speed becomes slower and if the OS takes more RAM etc. On top of that some people are reporting issues with the stability of a newer rom (change the kernel or not).
It doesn't look like its possible to have a stable rom that is newer and has more features and provides us a faster user interface.
So.... does any one know of any advantages of using a newer ROM on this device?
alan-31 said:
I also have a Touchpad with 4.2.2. that I installed on it and I'm wondering if there's any advantage of upgrading to another newer rom.
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Android 4.2.2 is no longer supported by google. With a never ROM everything works, the ones that supports all the hardware is evervolv 7.1.2.
alan-31 said:
The main issue here is this device is old and not very fast and so maybe its best to keep it on 4.2.2, unless someone can tell me that a newer rom would make this faster.
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Yes it is an old device, but what matters are the settings and how is been use.
With the settings from this guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
The cpu can be set in all the ROMs up to 1836 ( that is for each core ). All the ROM RAM is optimized to use almost the full 1GB, versus the original that can only use a little over 800 MB.
What makes the Tablet slow are the google services ( play store ).
The tablet can be use with no gapps and set up to use bromite, newpipe and many other googles alternatives.
alan-31 said:
New features in newer roms don't matter much if the speed becomes slower and if the OS takes more RAM etc.
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The features are provided by the hardware which is the same for all the ROMs, WiFi, Bluetooth, sound and camera.
New Android version use more RAM only if the play store is use, and the speed can be set the same to all the ROM.
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On top of that some people are reporting issues with the stability of a newer rom (change the kernel or not).
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All ROM posted on the mentioned guide are 100 % stable if the kernels use are the one listed.
Stability issues are due to users installing optimizing Apps to make things faster, which takes more RAM and create problems.
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It doesn't look like its possible to have a stable rom that is newer and has more features and provides us a faster user interface.
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Yes all ROMs are stable, Wifi works better until 7.1.2, it works on 8 and 9 but may not reconnect, but al depends on the user router.
alan-31 said:
So.... does any one know of any advantages of using a newer ROM on this device?
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A newer ROM provides support from google and all new apps can be use. This has always been the same with all PC operating system, a 10 year old OS is not supported any longer and even a basic web browser will not work.
The same will happen when google stops supporting Android PIE, no more apps will run one it not even a web browser.
That could probably happen 10 years from now or sooner, by then the tablet could only be use as a local media player, for music, video or pictures.
Example: https://www.bromite.org/ The best full browser to use on the tablet with no need of the play store.
But it can only be use on Android Lollipop 5.0 and above (SDK21)
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
Android 4.2.2 is no longer supported by google. With a never ROM everything works, the ones that supports all the hardware is evervolv 7.1.2.
Yes it is an old device, but what matters are the settings and how is been use.
With the settings from this guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
The cpu can be set in all the ROMs up to 1836 ( that is for each core ). All the ROM RAM is optimized to use almost the full 1GB, versus the original that can only use a little over 800 MB.
What makes the Tablet slow are the google services ( play store ).
The tablet can be use with no gapps and set up to use bromite, newpipe and many other googles alternatives.
The features are provided by the hardware which is the same for all the ROMs, WiFi, Bluetooth, sound and camera.
New Android version use more RAM only if the play store is use, and the speed can be set the same to all the ROM.
All ROM posted on the mentioned guide are 100 % stable if the kernels use are the one listed.
Stability issues are due to users installing optimizing Apps to make things faster, which takes more RAM and create problems.
Yes all ROMs are stable, Wifi works better until 7.1.2, it works on 8 and 9 but may not reconnect, but al depends on the user router.
A newer ROM provides support from google and all new apps can be use. This has always been the same with all PC operating system, a 10 year old OS is not supported any longer and even a basic web browser will not work.
The same will happen when google stops supporting Android PIE, no more apps will run one it not even a web browser.
That could probably happen 10 years from now or sooner, by then the tablet could only be use as a local media player, for music, video or pictures.
Example: https://www.bromite.org/ The best full browser to use on the tablet with no need of the play store.
But it can only be use on Android Lollipop 5.0 and above (SDK21)
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Some of this is just wrong. Yes, 4.4 isn't supported. But that doesn't mean you can't use it. YouTube v14 will run fine, so will NewPipe. You can use Google Chrome 80-something, and that works perfectly fine for browsing the web, it's still new enough to render almost everything properly. Bromite of that same version should work as well on 4.4. You can also use Yalp Store instead of Aurora to use 4.4 without Gapps. If apps are unsupported, you could download old versions from apkmirror, they usually still work fine, even the internet based ones.
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Some of this is just wrong. Yes, 4.4 isn't supported. But that doesn't mean you can't use it.
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What makes a device to be functional is the Operating System. That is the reason we are in the XDA Web Site forum and not HP or WebOS. The Tablet can be use even with WebOS and many still do because they do not want to upgrade.
You can use it any way you want it, but is not the optimal or best way to get the full functionality that it can offer.
Sanras said:
YouTube v14 will run fine, so will NewPipe. You can use Google Chrome 80-something, and that works perfectly fine for browsing the web, it's still new enough to render almost everything properly. Bromite of that same version should work as well on 4.4. You can also use Yalp Store instead of Aurora to use 4.4 without Gapps. If apps are unsupported, you could download old versions from apkmirror, they usually still work fine, even the internet based ones.
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Why try to work with old software when new ones are available and works perfectly with the Tablet?
On the news today, January 4 of 2022:
https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/support/devices/end-of-life
BlackBerry 7.1 OS and earlier, BlackBerry 10 software, BlackBerry PlayBook OS 2.1 and earlier versions, will no longer be available after January 4, 2022. As of this date, devices running these legacy services and software through either carrier or Wi-Fi connections will no longer reliably function, including for data, phone calls, SMS and 9-1-1 functionality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10
On 14 May 2013 BlackBerry OS 10.1 was launched.
The HP Touchpad was released July 1, 2011 (WebOS), is two years older than the BlackBerry released in 2013.
The HP Touchpad is 100% functional, due to the great job of many developers that got Android on it.
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
What makes a device to be functional is the Operating System. That is the reason we are in the XDA Web Site forum and not HP or WebOS. The Tablet can be use even with WebOS and many still do because they do not want to upgrade.
You can use it any way you want it, but is not the optimal or best way to get the full functionality that it can offer.
Why try to work with old software when new ones are available and works perfectly with the Tablet?
On the news today, January 4 of 2022:
https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/support/devices/end-of-life
BlackBerry 7.1 OS and earlier, BlackBerry 10 software, BlackBerry PlayBook OS 2.1 and earlier versions, will no longer be available after January 4, 2022. As of this date, devices running these legacy services and software through either carrier or Wi-Fi connections will no longer reliably function, including for data, phone calls, SMS and 9-1-1 functionality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10
On 14 May 2013 BlackBerry OS 10.1 was launched.
The HP Touchpad was released July 1, 2011 (WebOS), is two years older than the BlackBerry released in 2013.
The HP Touchpad is 100% functional, due to the great job of many developers that got Android on it.
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4.x Android is simply faster than Android 7.1. That's why you would bother with using old builds of software on an outdated OS. No matter how optimized it is, or how much you overclock it, 7.1 will always be a heavier OS than 4.4. I've seen it before, and on low end devices, that speed difference really matters.
Essentially newer OS means more reliable apps, but worse performance.
Older OS = better performance, worse apps.
It all depends on what you prefer. For me, so long as that old OS is useable enough, I prefer the outdated but fast OS over the fully useable slow one.
Let's take another example: Say you have one laptop to use in 2022. You've got a netbook with a 1.6Ghz Intel Atom n280, and 1GB of RAM.
You *could* technically run Windows 10 on here if you wanted to. The hardware technically supports it. But is it a good idea? No, not at all. It's gonna be extremely slow and annoying to use. I'd rather run Windows XP on such a device, use Firefox 52.9ESR and deal with some broken webpages than use Windows 10 and a modern browser. At least with XP you're gonna have a fast and snappy computer, even if you have to use some old apps to get things done.
(Of course, this is hypothetical. The true best choice in this situation would be a Linux install with a simple X11 window manager or Windows 7 without transparency effects)
Sanras said:
4.x Android is simply faster than Android 7.1. That's why you would bother with using old builds of software on an outdated OS. No matter how optimized it is, or how much you overclock it, 7.1 will always be a heavier OS than 4.4. I've seen it before, and on low end devices, that speed difference really matters.
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No, Android 4.x uses an old kernel, Android 7.1 and newer are built with a newer kernel providing better support for the hardware and software.
Android is not the native operating system for the Tablet, earlier version of Android had issues than with the time was improve.
Sanras said:
Essentially newer OS means more reliable apps, but worse performance.
Older OS = better performance, worse apps.
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It all depends on the settings and how is set up, but newer OS provides better support. Software is what makes the hardware to work.
Devices are not mechanical machines that works on the principal of physical parts, but works on code, software.
Sanras said:
It all depends on what you prefer. For me, so long as that old OS is useable enough, I prefer the outdated but fast OS over the fully useable slow one.
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Check this guide and see that all ROMs have the same settings, optimized to use the full 1GB of RAM and CPU speed plus swap partition.
Any original ( stock ) Android ROM can not provide the same settings even if the user try.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-max-1gb-ram-max-1836-frequency-for-all-roms.3973149/
Sanras said:
Let's take another example: Say you have one laptop to use in 2022. You've got a netbook with a 1.6Ghz Intel Atom n280, and 1GB of RAM.
You *could* technically run Windows 10 on here if you wanted to. The hardware technically supports it. But is it a good idea? No, not at all. It's gonna be extremely slow and annoying to use. I'd rather run Windows XP on such a device, use Firefox 52.9ESR and deal with some broken webpages than use Windows 10 and a modern browser. At least with XP you're gonna have a fast and snappy computer, even if you have to use some old apps to get things done.
(Of course, this is hypothetical. The true best choice in this situation would be a Linux install with a simple X11 window manager or Windows 7 without transparency effects)
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It all depends on how that laptop is setup and the drivers installed.
If the laptop is used with all the bloatware ( extra software ) and outdated display drivers, it can not be use.
A Windows 10 installation that has all the unnecessary software remove ( which is a lot ) will provide the basic to support the hardware of a 10 or 15 year old PC and performs very fast with even just 4GB of RAM. What makes the PC slow is all the extra Task ( background process ).
The same applies to any Linux OS now days. The installation automatically install a lot of extra software and services, it takes time to clean it up and make it efficient.
Same principal applies to Android, what makes the Tablet slow is the google apps and all the extras that are not need it. The Tablet is just a Linux laptop with a touch screen.
Look at this guide of ROM Reducer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-rom-reducer-for-more-ram.3954026/
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
No, Android 4.x uses an old kernel, Android 7.1 and newer are built with a newer kernel providing better support for the hardware and software.
Android is not the native operating system for the Tablet, earlier version of Android had issues than with the time was improve.
It all depends on the settings and how is set up, but newer OS provides better support. Software is what makes the hardware to work.
Devices are not mechanical machines that works on the principal of physical parts, but works on code, software.
Check this guide and see that all ROMs have the same settings, optimized to use the full 1GB of RAM and CPU speed plus swap partition.
Any original ( stock ) Android ROM can not provide the same settings even if the user try.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-max-1gb-ram-max-1836-frequency-for-all-roms.3973149/
It all depends on how that laptop is setup and the drivers installed.
If the laptop is used with all the bloatware ( extra software ) and outdated display drivers, it can not be use.
A Windows 10 installation that has all the unnecessary software remove ( which is a lot ) will provide the basic to support the hardware of a 10 or 15 year old PC and performs very fast with even just 4GB of RAM. What makes the PC slow is all the extra Task ( background process ).
The same applies to any Linux OS now days. The installation automatically install a lot of extra software and services, it takes time to clean it up and make it efficient.
Same principal applies to Android, what makes the Tablet slow is the google apps and all the extras that are not need it. The Tablet is just a Linux laptop with a touch screen.
Look at this guide of ROM Reducer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-rom-reducer-for-more-ram.3954026/
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So you are saying the EV 7.1 build is as fast as CM11? (both same settings, no Gapps)? I really don't see how that can be the case. I have had A 7 on an old Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Nexus. On both devices, Android 4.4 (CM11) was quite a bit faster than the Android 7 builds (LOS 14.1). Ultimately, KitKat (2014) was made for the devices of its time, which were much less powerful than the devices of 2017, when Nougat launched. It makes sense that KitKat would thus run better on outdated hardware. Granted, those were native Android devices, but I think that should still apply to this touchpad, which is running an old Qualcomm CPU.
Anyway, once this boots, I'll test both JCSullins' CM11 and the EV 7 to see what is better. The only issue I really see with using 4.4 is the lack of Aurora Store, since that requires Lollipop at minimum. However, apkmirror should do fine for the few apps I need to install. YouTube Vanced 14.21.54 will work on KitKat as well.
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So you are saying the EV 7.1 build is as fast as CM11? (both same settings, no Gapps)? I really don't see how that can be the case. I have had A 7 on an old Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Nexus. On both devices, Android 4.4 (CM11) was quite a bit faster than the Android 7 builds (LOS 14.1). Ultimately, KitKat (2014) was made for the devices of its time, which were much less powerful than the devices of 2017, when Nougat launched. It makes sense that KitKat would thus run better on outdated hardware. Granted, those were native Android devices, but I think that should still apply to this touchpad, which is running an old Qualcomm CPU.
Anyway, once this boots, I'll test both JCSullins' CM11 and the EV 7 to see what is better. The only issue I really see with using 4.4 is the lack of Aurora Store, since that requires Lollipop at minimum. However, apkmirror should do fine for the few apps I need to install. YouTube Vanced 14.21.54 will work on KitKat as well.
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Is all about the settings and how is set up by the user and that applies to all devices, PC, smartphone even cars or anything !
You can see it with your own eyes, take a look at my youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKoir6bzzPU-Uq9UjcRR3hw
On this guide all the optimize settings are applied to all the ROMs to make them work the same.
I know there is a lot to read, but is 10 years of development.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
LN11211 said:
"@HP_TOUCHPAD , Hello, I still can't believe we have support for the touch pad....
The touch pad was dead a long ago and I revived it back today, "
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How did you revive your TouchPad??? Mine will not power on - there are no lights when charging. I have even replaced the battery with no difference.
Any Help is truly appreciated!
deegge said:
How did you revive your TouchPad??? Mine will not power on - there are no lights when charging. I have even replaced the battery with no difference.
Any Help is truly appreciated!
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Use original charger or equivalent.
Tablet must be in a warm environment of 80F. ( it won't take charge in the cold )
Check that the USB port is not damage, try the wireless charger if available.
Try to apply the de-brick process:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-debrick-linux-live-cd.4189245/