Does anyone know of a source for usb cables that'll fit the flyer?
It's a standard micro USB. Check monoprice if you can wait.
Otherwise, grab one that is labeled as ok for kindle or nook.
It's not a micro usb, at least on mine its not.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/flyer/specification.html
Should be.
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It's not a micro ish. At least on mine its not.
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I use a generic micro-usb on mine at night also. Don't get the micro and mini usb connectors confused. The micro is thinner than the mini... Also try turning the cable connector upside down... I think its opposite of my HTC phone.
Standard cables certainly fit. It's sort of similar to how the G2 had the weird mini compatable connector. Some accessories will be slightly different.
It's because the proprietary cable is ~10 volts; twice that of USB. But it will take a slower charge over micro USB. That is, they have an ideal solution given there is no higher voltage standard.
The ac adapter that comes with the flyer will output 9v (per the labeling) but if you were to use the included 12 pin USB cable instead, it will only pull 5v max as it just has a single USB-a end (or whateverthe output rating is of the power source > USB adapter). The extra pins in the htc cable are for audio throughput and not required for charging.
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Just checking, so any charger with micro usb would do? For instance if i grab blackberry charger, then it should be fine regardless diff voltage and watts?
Sorry..not an electrical engineer.. thanks!
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Just checking, so any charger with micro usb would do? For instance if i grab blackberry charger, then it should be fine regardless diff voltage and watts?
Sorry..not an electrical engineer.. thanks!
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My charger from my HTC EVO works fine on the flyer, but it is noticeably slower.
I use the Motorola Rapid Rate micro USB car charger, which you can get from Amazon for less than $4. Seems to work pretty well.
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I use the Motorola Rapid Rate micro USB car charger, which you can get from Amazon for less than $4. Seems to work pretty well.
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will this charge the tablet while its powered on?
errm.. just to bust the 'myth' of this thread.. No.. HTC Flyer doesn't use propriety USB cables.. just us any micro USB cables..
So far I have successful use of cables from Nokia, SE (One from Xperia and the other from Liveview), Morphie iPhone charger, Mackal retractables, Jawbone ERA and some no brands..
They all sync and charge..
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Anyone else charges their HTC Flyer in the car and, one takes a very long time and secondly if you are using the Flyer at the same time your charging it, it actually discharges. I am using a 2Amp car charger. I have never had a issue with other tablets I have.
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Are you using the actual custom tipped charger from HTC or a standard micro USB charger? Only the flyer specific plug charges at full speed.
I charge my evo view with the HTC included cable and it works just fine.
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Are you using the actual custom tipped charger from HTC or a standard micro USB charger? Only the flyer specific plug charges at full speed.
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That is wrong. The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip.. I try not to use anything else just for that reason but it's up to you....!
If you look carefully at the tip, it is longer and has a greater barrel contact area than a standard one giving a more secure connection.
I think a more likely reason for the OP's charging problem is that his 2amp power unit is not ACTUALLY delivering 2amps!
Some phone chargers, use a variable pulsed output for current regulation and the Flyer needs a continuous current.
Or it may just be faulty and not supplying enough!
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The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip..
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I thought it had more to do with the port on the Flyer having 12 pins (instead of the 5-pin standard for MicroUSB) in order to supply an HDMI output in addition to sync.charge. And also, so that people would not use the Flyer's 1.5 amp charger to charge an HTC or other smartphone (which normally use a 1 amp charger).
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I thought it had more to do with the port on the Flyer having 12 pins (instead of the 5-pin standard for MicroUSB) in order to supply an HDMI output in addition to sync.charge. And also, so that people would not use the Flyer's 1.5 amp charger to charge an HTC or other smartphone (which normally use a 1 amp charger).
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In part, that is true, but the extra connections are much further in for HDMI and the connector is longer.
The charger only reaches the standard USB pins.
Also, it does not matter if you put a higher amp charger on any modern unit, so long as the voltage stays the same, all required current is regulated by the internal charging circuitry and is OK.
Example, small 12 volt bulb on car battery only uses what current it needs... Car starter motor.... Not the perfect example but good enough.
Today I tested the same charger without having the Flyer on, and does charge it without any issues. The car charger is a Kingston 2Amp charger. I also have tried using the cable that came with the Flyer and still same results as using a microUSB cable. If Flyer is on it seems not to charge and sometimes actually drops one bar. I like using the Flyer on as I go on the road for GPS, but not liking that it will not charge. I never had this issue with the Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Maybe I can try another charger that has a higher output like maybe 9v?
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Today I tested the same charger without having the Flyer on, and does charge it without any issues. The car charger is a Kingston 2Amp charger. I also have tried using the cable that came with the Flyer and still same results as using a microUSB cable. If Flyer is on it seems not to charge and sometimes actually drops one bar. I like using the Flyer on as I go on the road for GPS, but not liking that it will not charge. I never had this issue with the Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Maybe I can try another charger that has a higher output like maybe 9v?
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Absolutely NOT!
The voltage HAS to be 5 volt or you will fry it...
If you have used the charger with the HTC USB cable then it proves it is not supplying 2Amp, this beastie needs that to power and charge simultaneously when fully active GPS, DATA and high screen brightness.
The only solution is to try to find a good charger.
I use the data sync cable with a cigarette to usb adapter.
For fast charging in a car, you must use HTCFlyerCarChargerCC C500(1.67Amp,9V). Else you only will be able to charge the Flyer when its idle.
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For fast charging in a car, you must use HTCFlyerCarChargerCC C500(1.67Amp,9V). Else you only will be able to charge the Flyer when its idle.
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Totally agree, the HTC dedicated chargers are 9 Volt but if you use any other micro-USB cable or charger it has to be 5 Volt.
They are redily available online, Mobilefun in UK have them, also Amazon.
Be aware, many are advertising standard car chargers for the Flyer, get the official one and save a load of grief.
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Totally agree, the HTC dedicated chargers are 9 Volt but if you use any other micro-USB cable or charger it has to be 5 Volt.
They are redily available online, Mobilefun in UK have them, also Amazon.
Be aware, many are advertising standard car chargers for the Flyer, get the official one and save a load of grief.
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Thanks, and I agree. I will have to get the official Flyer charger as I can only charge if the Flyer is turned off with other with other USB car chargers I have.
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That is wrong. The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip.. I try not to use anything else just for that reason but it's up to you....!
If you look carefully at the tip, it is longer and has a greater barrel contact area than a standard one giving a more secure connection.
I think a more likely reason for the OP's charging problem is that his 2amp power unit is not ACTUALLY delivering 2amps!
Some phone chargers, use a variable pulsed output for current regulation and the Flyer needs a continuous current.
Or it may just be faulty and not supplying enough!
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Actually I think the different tip is because it uses a different voltage to charge it though the AC adaptor (for faster charging) and it's so you don't accidently plug a phone into it and blow the phone
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That is wrong. The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip.. I try not to use anything else just for that reason but it's up to you....!
If you look carefully at the tip, it is longer and has a greater barrel contact area than a standard one giving a more secure connection.
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No, actually he's correct in that the HTC charger will fast-charge it while micro USB will not. I don't know how the Flyer can tell the difference between the two, or what the circuitry is, but the HTC Flyer charge clearly reads an output of 9 volts, considerably higher than standard USB, at 5 volts.
NT uses a 12pin micro USB cable as NC, it seems a special standard, if we use standard 5pin micro USB, only connect to computer is OK, but seems have some trouble to charge, could we find any replacement one?
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NT uses a 12pin micro USB cable as NC, it seems a special standard, if we use standard 5pin micro USB, only connect to computer is OK, but seems have some trouble to charge, could we find any replacement one?
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You'll need to purchase from B&N (unless somebody else can find another source). It is unique. If you look at it, the connector not only has 12 pins, but is longer. The extra length is what initiates contact for charging.
Although its slower to charge attached to the PC (500mA instead of 2A), it does charge. I left mine overnight and it was fully charged using a standard micro-usb cable.
My Samsung Galaxy Tab is like this. There is a software work around that makes it charge faster over USB (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323957). This gives hope that someday we get similar functionality.
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Although its slower to charge attached to the PC (500mA instead of 2A), it does charge. I left mine overnight and it was fully charged using a standard micro-usb cable.
My Samsung Galaxy Tab is like this. There is a software work around that makes it charge faster over USB (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323957). This gives hope that someday we get similar functionality.
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I have heard it will only charge on PC via USB if the screen is off. Otherwise, it uses too much power to really charge it.
What would happen if I put the USB port into a power adapter? I use them to charge my phones when I don't have access to my laptop's USB ports.
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What would happen if I put the USB port into a power adapter? I use them to charge my phones when I don't have access to my laptop's USB ports.
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Make sure it provides the correct amount of power first.
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Although its slower to charge attached to the PC (500mA instead of 2A), it does charge. I left mine overnight and it was fully charged using a standard micro-usb cable.
My Samsung Galaxy Tab is like this. There is a software work around that makes it charge faster over USB (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323957). This gives hope that someday we get similar functionality.
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only the output will affect? if i found a charge head that provides 2A output will it work?
FWIW...
I tried using the official Nook cord with an Apple iPad (2 amp) usb charger. The NT never indicated that it was charging.
I tried using a quality micro USB cord with an iPad charger and with the official Nook charger, but it never indicated that it was charging.
I haven't tried a standard micro USB cord to a PC (yet).
So far, only official Nook cord and official Nook charger work for me. Alas.
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FWIW...
I tried using the official Nook cord with an Apple iPad (2 amp) usb charger. The NT never indicated that it was charging.
I tried using a quality micro USB cord with an iPad charger and with the official Nook charger, but it never indicated that it was charging.
I haven't tried a standard micro USB cord to a PC (yet).
So far, only official Nook cord and official Nook charger work for me. Alas.
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using the nook cord here with my htc phone charger. all works well
None of my generic USB cords work.
USB Extension cables appear to work with charger
I tried a USB extension cable with the Nook charger and it does work. That means, I think, that the A end of the USB is standard.
I know nobody wants to sacrifice the Nook cable but I'm surprised no one has done this yet. I thought at least the Nook Color cable would be cross-compatible with the NT and someone would have buzzed out the Color cable by now.
There's the bi-color charge LED, but I can't see how they could put a charge chip in there; no room.
This cable is unique....and poorly constructed/misaligned to the 2 prong AC adapter. The USB does not fully insert into the AC Adapter. If not perfectly placed/propped while plugged in to charge, the NT does not charge or charges slowly.
My remedy has been to move the NT closer to the plug so that there is little to no bend in the cable leading to NT.
Will B&N send another if I request online/call? Or, must I unroot and go to a B&N?
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FWIW...
I tried using the official Nook cord with an Apple iPad (2 amp) usb charger. The NT never indicated that it was charging.
I tried using a quality micro USB cord with an iPad charger and with the official Nook charger, but it never indicated that it was charging.
I haven't tried a standard micro USB cord to a PC (yet).
So far, only official Nook cord and official Nook charger work for me. Alas.
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I have an Apple USB extender between the Nook wall plug and USB cable. Charges fine.
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This cable is unique....and poorly constructed/misaligned to the 2 prong AC adapter. The USB does not fully insert into the AC Adapter.
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Yeah, it's terrible. I don't have any charging issues, but the misalignment causes a ton of electricity to leak, so don't leave it on a couch or a fuzzy blanket unless you want (shockingly) pleasant surprises for hours. I wish they would make an all-in-one-piece as well (do they? would be a good add-on). Sheesh, poor design.
With the billions and billions of 3rd party cords out there, it seems amazing that none exist for the nook tablet. I don't really wanna pay 30 bucks for a backup charger.
2mA too much?
I noticed that the official Nook charger output is rated at 1.9mA - I've just bought a generic 2.0mA USB plug adapter and am hoping that it will work with the existing Nook USB cable. I'm hoping the extra 100mA won't fry the thing...
The extra pins in the Micro end of the Nook USB cable are used to support the higher power draw of the Nook when charging at full rate (2.0A) since the max rated current of a Micro-USB connector is only 1.8A. I am sure they also use the additional pins to make the cable proprietary and possibly also control the bi-color LED. The extra pins are set further into the connector so that they do not cause compatibility problems with standard Micro-USB cables.
In addition to this, the charger brick that comes with the Nook has its Data lines shorted, to each other I believe, to indicate to the Nook that it is plugged into an adapter and not a computer.
The combination of those two things is what is needed for the Nook to charge at its full charge rate. Since the USB A end of the cable is a standard 4-pin design, extension cables that offer all 4 pins/wires will work fine.
The Apple adapter (even the 2.0A version) will not work because it uses a voltage divider (couple of resistors) on the data lines to indicate to the iPod/iPhone what style charger it is (1.0A or 2.0A). One of the data lines is held at 2.1V and the other at 2.7V. Depending on which one (D+ or D-) is at what voltage determines what style charger it is. So the Nook does not recognize the "non-zero" voltage values on the data lines and assumes it is a PC, so it will only charge at 500mA.
Other vendors power bricks use the same "short the data lines" trick as the Nook adapter so several others will work. I believe as mentioned already in this post that HTC uses this same method.
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Be careful though because if the adapter is rated at less than 2.0A (e.g. 1.0A) you could cause damage or fire. I am not sure if the Nook will slow down charging if it detects the charge voltage dropping if it is trying to pull too much power out of an underrated supply.
If you really want to use your Apple IPad adapter with your Nook Color/Tablet cable you could modify a USB A/A extension cable to disconnect the Data lines and then tie together only the data lines on the side of the cable that will go to the Nook. Again, this can be dangerous, I can not take any responsibility if you attempt to do this.
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USB A/A Extension Cable
[ ] GND ----------------------------------------------------- GND [ ]
[ ] D+ ------} <-tied to D- cut and taped-> D+ [ ]
[ Nook ] D- ------} <-tied to D+ cut and taped-> D- [ Adapter ]
[ ] +5V ----------------------------------------------------- +5V [ ]
AdamOutler has confirmed that it will charge on any usb cable, but the tab must be off and it will not show signs of charging. I'm pretty sure that this was charging from the computer.
My device battery is way low.. I'm charging on normal USB so it's trickling up at a rate of about 0x0010 per 2 minutes. At this rate, the device will be ready to use in aproximately 1.5 hours... And until then i'm sure nothing will show on the screen.
This may or may not apply to using the Barnes and Nobel cable. I do not have one available though.
So, if you ever come across a situation where the device won't turn on even after being plugged in, leave it plugged in for a few hours. It could have a case of the "sleeping death".
Also, I'm able to verify that the device... even when totally powered off will charge on a standard USB cable.
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Has anyone else had issues with the end that plugs into the nook bending out of place and preventing the cable from working? Since its the cable that is not working and since the tab is still under warranty can I take it back and get the cable replaced for free?
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the charger brick that comes with the Nook has its Data lines shorted, to each other I believe, to indicate to the Nook that it is plugged into an adapter and not a computer.
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Ahhh... So we can't use a generic power brick or car charger and have the NT charge at full rate (unless we also muck with the USB cable). Thanks for this info!
I would like to cut the htc usb cable and replace it with a standard micro usb piece. I am just not sure if the charging current of the htc is not to high for other devices like my galaxy s.
For the people who like to ask "why do you want,..."; I don´t like to carry thousands of cable with me and the standard micro usb chargers charge the flyer slowlyer than the original.
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standard usb chargers can only yield 5W, which is why HTC has provided a customized charger for the flyer / view.
you're out of luck. undesirable I know.
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standard usb chargers can only yield 5W, which is why HTC has provided a customized charger for the flyer / view.
you're out of luck. undesirable I know.
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does it mean I would grill other devices with the htc charger?
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does it mean I would grill other devices with the htc charger?
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You could always perform an experiment. Let us know what happens.
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Drives me nuts that they changed the connection. Finding the stupid ExtMicro or what ever they call it is hard. I ordered two last week and I won't get them until the end of this week. If anyone knows where to get them please let me knowing.... I think they come from the UK. You have to be really careful when buying cables, if it doesn't say ExtMicro USB it won't work. I almost bought one at buy.com that said it was for the flyer so I called them I the rep said that all the cables that say HTC flyer won't work unless it says ExtMicro USB. Good luck
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The HTC charger supplies 9 volts @ 1.2 amp. Which it clearly states on the label.
This may be too much for some USB devices.
USB chargers supply 5 volts usually at .5 amp.
The Flyer has two batteries inside and really needs the extra power.
The ExtMicro connector is HTC proprietary.
Ok, So will it hurt my Flyer to use a standard Micro USB? I know it's not the correct Voltage and Amperage but it does keep my tab charged while i'm at work.
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Ok, So will it hurt my Flyer to use a standard Micro USB? I know it's not the correct Voltage and Amperage but it does keep my tab charged while i'm at work.
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it won't hurt it.
won;t hurt, but s USB port will not supply enough juice to charge while you have the Flyer on. If you turn it off or off the screen it will charge it......... s l o w l y...
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Drives me nuts that they changed the connection. Finding the stupid ExtMicro or what ever they call it is hard.
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But the different connection has a deeper sense.
Using the original cable, the flyer is charged with 9V @ 1,2Amps, which is about 4-times faster then a standard microUSB can handle.
So changing the connector of the original carger will kill all "normal microUSB" devices.
Nevertheless, a standard microUSB-cable can be used too, but charging will take much longer. Even more, on heavy use, you will get the warning, that the drain of the battery is higher than the charging current.
I don't think the cable matters? I understand that the charger matters as it provides different amount of volt/amperage, but I thought the cable it self merely passes through whatever electricity is provided?
I use the same cable, the one that came with my Kindle to charge my Samsung Focus and the Evo View, and it seems to work just fine - i haven't tried watching a movie while charging, however.
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I don't think the cable matters? I understand that the charger matters as it provides different amount of volt/amperage, but I thought the cable it self merely passes through whatever electricity is provided?
I use the same cable, the one that came with my Kindle to charge my Samsung Focus and the Evo View, and it seems to work just fine - i haven't tried watching a movie while charging, however.
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Any regular micro USB will charge the view. It will charge, but it will not charge as fast as it would with the charger it comes with. I have tried charging my rezound with that charger, and it will not charge it, probably because of the huge output. So changing the tip to micro USB would probably work to charge the view, but trying to charge another device with it could probably fry it. There are quite a few places that sell the OEM charger like HTC pedia. Its a bit expensive but I would always recommend using the OEM charger.
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A standard USB charger will not charge the Flyer or View while operating. Its simply cannot provide the required supply of 9v @ 1.2 amp. that the Flyer need.
It will s l o w l y charge the Flyer while its off or asleep. And the special connector provides extra contacts to handle the additional current. It's HTC proprietary.
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I had the same problem. I broke my gf's Flyer charger. I had a hard time finding a replacement. However, Sprint and ATT carry similar chargers for their HTC tablets, View and Jetstream, respectively, The ATT Jetstream charger is $30 plus tax and the Sprint View charger is $35 plus tax.
The ATT charger is shown as white on their website. The Sprint charger is shown as being black.
Hope this helps.
From the "Ultimate AT&T Galaxy Note Accessory Guide" thread:
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13. Car Charger + Power Inverters
$10 -- PowerGen Dual USB 2A Heavy Duty Ouput Car Charger for Apple iPad 2, iPhone 4 4s 3Gs 3G, iPod Touch (USB Cable not included) --- Review
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Has anyone else used the PowerGen car charger with the Note? I have a handful of other ones that all claim to fast-charge devices, but apparently it only works with iPhones and iPads. But since the PowerGen unit is on the list, can I assume people have used it and confirmed it will give me a 1A charge rate on the Note? I need a charger that can keep up with the Note occasionally drawing 1.4 A or more (display 100% brightness, GPS, LTE, Bluetooth all active, running Navigation).
A quick search for "powergen" in this forum only brings up the above thread.
Works like a champ. My battery was charging at 1600mAh while streaming soundcloud and using navigation. Definitely does the job.
I am using my car charger for galaxy tab 10.1 (2.0 amp) and it is working much better than any of the 1 amp chargers I have tried, OEM, boxwave, etc...
I also use the GT 101. 110V charging brick, so when I travel, only one brick and two cables. My experience is that the 2 amp charger works really well and will charge the phone while using GPS full time, where the OEM charger and other 1 amp chargers either maintain charge, or slightly discharge.
Thanks for the confirmation! Of course, now I discover Amazon won't ship that to Canada, and amazon.ca does not carry it. :crying: I'd go see what TELUS has to offer, but I'm sure it will be A) expensive and B) not have dual USB ports, or perhaps not even a detachable cord.
If you do find one, also buy a charge-only usb cord.
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If you do find one, also buy a charge-only usb cord.
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Is that still needed if the charger itself correctly supports fast charging? The cord I use now is the one from my Touchpad. I get 1 A to the Note from the AC plug, and the Touchpad gets around 1.8 A. I do also have a charge-only cable (much thinner cord, only two wires), but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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Is that still needed if the charger itself correctly supports fast charging? The cord I use now is the one from my Touchpad. I get 1 A to the Note from the AC plug, and the Touchpad gets around 1.8 A. I do also have a charge-only cable (much thinner cord, only two wires), but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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The cord from the touchpad is probably wired correctly internally for fast charge. I bought a similar dual car charger and did not see a difference with the micro usb sync cable. I only saw a difference with a charge-only micro usb cable. The phone sees what pins are connected and determines if it is going to charge in usb charge mode(<=500ma) or AC charge mode(>=500ma).
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The cord from the touchpad is probably wired correctly internally for fast charge. I bought a similar dual car charger and did not see a difference with the micro usb sync cable. I only saw a difference with a charge-only micro usb cable. The phone sees what pins are connected and determines if it is going to charge in usb charge mode(<=500ma) or AC charge mode(>=500ma).
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So you use the Touchpad USB micro cable to charge your Note in the car? I thought the cable is too short? I am looking for a LONG USB micro cable that is shorted so it will give >500mA.
I am planning to buy the PowerGen but I need recommendation on the CORRECT USB cable that is long enough.
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slapshot591 said:
Works like a champ. My battery was charging at 1600mAh while streaming soundcloud and using navigation. Definitely does the job.
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What cable do you use?
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The cord from the touchpad is probably wired correctly internally for fast charge.
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I don't think it is, because it also works as a normal USB data cable. If pins 2 and 3 are shorted (D+ and D-), then the cable become "charge only" and cannot be used for data.
I bought a similar dual car charger and did not see a difference with the micro usb sync cable. I only saw a difference with a charge-only micro usb cable.
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Then it sounds like that car charger was an "iPad-compatible" one, i.e.: it does not have D+/D- shorted out to indicate to non-Apple devices that it is capable of more than 500 mA.
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So you use the Touchpad USB micro cable to charge your Note in the car? I thought the cable is too short?
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The cable is about a meter in length. I only need about half that to reach from the plug to the phone mount on the dash.
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I don't think it is, because it also works as a normal USB data cable. If pins 2 and 3 are shorted (D+ and D-), then the cable become "charge only" and cannot be used for data.
Then it sounds like that car charger was an "iPad-compatible" one, i.e.: it does not have D+/D- shorted out to indicate to non-Apple devices that it is capable of more than 500 mA.
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So then how does it charge fast then? If the cable isn't shorted? Motorola does the same thing. IIRC its a shorted setup to allow for fast charging. All of my USB cables come from Samsung, HP, and Motorola and I use them as data cables as well
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So then how does it charge fast then? If the cable isn't shorted?
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You short the pins inside the AC adapter or car charger, rather than the cable. If I understand correctly, the danger of using a charge-only cable is if you plug it into an actual USB port that isn't designed to supply more than 500 mA. Your device could then try to pull down, say, 2000 mA and potentially damage the power supply on your laptop or desktop.
taob said:
You short the pins inside the AC adapter or car charger, rather than the cable. If I understand correctly, the danger of using a charge-only cable is if you plug it into an actual USB port that isn't designed to supply more than 500 mA. Your device could then try to pull down, say, 2000 mA and potentially damage the power supply on your laptop or desktop.
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Ahh OK. Well, the cigarette lighter/USB converters must act like shorted out wall chargers.
That's my setup.
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I'm using the Rocketfish 3.1A Model# RF-M657D with my Note. While using Google Nav, lowest brightness, keys backlight off, Sync off, HSPA+, the phone still loses charge (albeit, slowly). I'm assuming this is because the charger is not internally shorted between pins two and three as it is marketed as a iPad/iPhone charger. I'm using a Belkin Data/Charge cable so I know that is not shorted.
I have been doing some reading and last night, I purchased the "Satechi Smart Adapter Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S (I can't post links yet, google it.) so I will report back when I receive and pair it with the Rocketfish.
One thing I can't understand is how some of you have reported 1600mA from your car chargers. I am reading that without this adapter/cable mod, the Note will only run 460mA or so. With the adapter/cable mod, the Note's hardware maxes out at 960mA. Also, is their an app that allows me to see how much amperage the Note is receiving or are you guys pulling out the multimeter?
slapshot591 said:
Works like a champ. My battery was charging at 1600mAh while streaming soundcloud and using navigation. Definitely does the job.
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Where/how do you get this info? Asking because I'm curious to see how my car charger does. It has usb ports rated at 2A, and I think it's 2A shared instead of per port, but want to see how it actually does when plugged in.
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I'm using the Rocketfish 3.1A Model# RF-M657D with my Note. While using Google Nav, lowest brightness, keys backlight off, Sync off, HSPA+, the phone still loses charge (albeit, slowly). I'm assuming this is because the charger is not internally shorted between pins two and three as it is marketed as a iPad/iPhone charger. I'm using a Belkin Data/Charge cable so I know that is not shorted.
I have been doing some reading and last night, I purchased the "Satechi Smart Adapter Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S (I can't post links yet, google it.) so I will report back when I receive and pair it with the Rocketfish.
One thing I can't understand is how some of you have reported 1600mA from your car chargers. I am reading that without this adapter/cable mod, the Note will only run 460mA or so. With the adapter/cable mod, the Note's hardware maxes out at 960mA. Also, is their an app that allows me to see how much amperage the Note is receiving or are you guys pulling out the multimeter?
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My rocket fish model must put out more than yours. My pic is above your post. With Google Nav, Google play music (streaming, not native music), full sync, brightness to at least 50% it only lost 4% over 30-40mins.
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My rocket fish model must put out more than yours. My pic is above your post. With Google Nav, Google play music (streaming, not native music), full sync, brightness to at least 50% it only lost 4% over 30-40mins.
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From what I read, your charger is an .5 amp.
It's not like my phone dies or anything, but it'll lose like 5% an hour and I could be exaggerating. Are you using a charge-only cable or modded cable/charger at all? Like I said, I think this phone is only pulling down 460mA without said mod and I find 1600mA to be incorrect as I read the Note will only pull down 960mA max. We'll see what this adapter does for my charge times.
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From what I read, your charger is an .5 amp.
It's not like my phone dies or anything, but it'll lose like 5% an hour and I could be exaggerating. Are you using a charge-only cable or modded cable/charger at all? Like I said, I think this phone is only pulling down 460mA without said mod and I find 1600mA to be incorrect as I read the Note will only pull down 960mA max. We'll see what this adapter does for my charge times.
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They only thing I'm using is that exact setup posted. RF adapter and a Motorola atrix desktop dock charge cable.. (basically just a longer version of the standard wall charger)
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They only thing I'm using is that exact setup posted. RF adapter and a Motorola atrix desktop dock charge cable.. (basically just a longer version of the standard wall charger)
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Ah, charge-only cable is the main factor here.
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Ah, charge-only cable is the main factor here.
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OK, I lied, I'm using the OEM cable that came with the Motorola Atrix 4G, not the longer cable from the desktop dock. I just checked my car and that's the cable that's in there.
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Can anyone else tell me if they have any issues charging the sony xperia using an adapter other than the one supplied?
I have one that I use for everything, iphone, kindle, garmin watch, sansa mp3 player. Yet when I hook up the sony usb charger cable to it the battery light blinks and viewing in the battery section of settings shows it alternating between 'charging' and 'discharging' at the same frequency as the flashing light. This frequency is roughly 1 second. I managed to stabalise the charging on this OEM adapter once. It always charges perfectly on the supplied adapter.
Also I have a portable 5V charger that again I use for all my gadgets as listed above. They all work fine. Not the sony tablet. 'Charging is not supported with this accessory' I'm told this time.
This tablet is looking worse and worse to me. The fact that this tablet was supposed to be bog standard 5V and came with the usb setup (making it simple to use with my portable charger) was one of the major reasons I bought it. Yet I can only use the supplied adapter and am stuck to the A/C supply.
Anyone else seeing similar problems?
Problem? Sony tableyt s dont use the usb port for battery charging
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Hernan1978 said:
Problem? Sony tableyt s dont use the usb port for battery charging
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Anyone that owns the tablet will understand what I am saying. The charger cable comes in a 2 piece. A usb to proprietary connector lead and an A/C adapter. You connect the proprietary end of the cable to the tablet. You connect the full USB connector end of the the cable to the adapter. You plug the adapter into the mains and it charges your tablet.
What I am saying is that if I use an alternate A/C adapter (i.e. one that accepts a USB connection and is rated for 1.5 amps and 5V) it does not charge the tablet correctly. I can't see why this would be as these adapters are all supposed to be built to a standard. Sony has something different in theirs I think. I believe it is non-standard.
(There is no USB port on the tablet so clearly this is not what I meant!!)
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Anyone that owns the tablet will understand what I am saying. The charger cable comes in a 2 piece. A usb to proprietary connector lead and an A/C adapter. You connect the proprietary end of the cable to the tablet. You connect the full USB connector end of the the cable to the adapter. You plug the adapter into the mains and it charges your tablet.
What I am saying is that if I use an alternate A/C adapter (i.e. one that accepts a USB connection and is rated for 1.5 amps and 5V) it does not charge the tablet correctly. I can't see why this would be as these adapters are all supposed to be built to a standard. Sony has something different in theirs I think. I believe it is non-standard.
(There is no USB port on the tablet so clearly this is not what I meant!!)
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From what I understand we should be able to use a 3rd party charger if it can supply at least 1.5 amps of current at 5VDC. The only limitations that I have seen is some of the 3rd party iPad chargers (USB plugs) won't work with some android devices so the USB standard must not be as standard as one would tend to think. If your charger is blinking and intermittently charging there is a good chance that it can't sustain the current that the tablet is trying to draw.