Anyone else charges their HTC Flyer in the car and, one takes a very long time and secondly if you are using the Flyer at the same time your charging it, it actually discharges. I am using a 2Amp car charger. I have never had a issue with other tablets I have.
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Are you using the actual custom tipped charger from HTC or a standard micro USB charger? Only the flyer specific plug charges at full speed.
I charge my evo view with the HTC included cable and it works just fine.
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Are you using the actual custom tipped charger from HTC or a standard micro USB charger? Only the flyer specific plug charges at full speed.
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That is wrong. The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip.. I try not to use anything else just for that reason but it's up to you....!
If you look carefully at the tip, it is longer and has a greater barrel contact area than a standard one giving a more secure connection.
I think a more likely reason for the OP's charging problem is that his 2amp power unit is not ACTUALLY delivering 2amps!
Some phone chargers, use a variable pulsed output for current regulation and the Flyer needs a continuous current.
Or it may just be faulty and not supplying enough!
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The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip..
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I thought it had more to do with the port on the Flyer having 12 pins (instead of the 5-pin standard for MicroUSB) in order to supply an HDMI output in addition to sync.charge. And also, so that people would not use the Flyer's 1.5 amp charger to charge an HTC or other smartphone (which normally use a 1 amp charger).
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I thought it had more to do with the port on the Flyer having 12 pins (instead of the 5-pin standard for MicroUSB) in order to supply an HDMI output in addition to sync.charge. And also, so that people would not use the Flyer's 1.5 amp charger to charge an HTC or other smartphone (which normally use a 1 amp charger).
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In part, that is true, but the extra connections are much further in for HDMI and the connector is longer.
The charger only reaches the standard USB pins.
Also, it does not matter if you put a higher amp charger on any modern unit, so long as the voltage stays the same, all required current is regulated by the internal charging circuitry and is OK.
Example, small 12 volt bulb on car battery only uses what current it needs... Car starter motor.... Not the perfect example but good enough.
Today I tested the same charger without having the Flyer on, and does charge it without any issues. The car charger is a Kingston 2Amp charger. I also have tried using the cable that came with the Flyer and still same results as using a microUSB cable. If Flyer is on it seems not to charge and sometimes actually drops one bar. I like using the Flyer on as I go on the road for GPS, but not liking that it will not charge. I never had this issue with the Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Maybe I can try another charger that has a higher output like maybe 9v?
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Today I tested the same charger without having the Flyer on, and does charge it without any issues. The car charger is a Kingston 2Amp charger. I also have tried using the cable that came with the Flyer and still same results as using a microUSB cable. If Flyer is on it seems not to charge and sometimes actually drops one bar. I like using the Flyer on as I go on the road for GPS, but not liking that it will not charge. I never had this issue with the Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Maybe I can try another charger that has a higher output like maybe 9v?
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Absolutely NOT!
The voltage HAS to be 5 volt or you will fry it...
If you have used the charger with the HTC USB cable then it proves it is not supplying 2Amp, this beastie needs that to power and charge simultaneously when fully active GPS, DATA and high screen brightness.
The only solution is to try to find a good charger.
I use the data sync cable with a cigarette to usb adapter.
For fast charging in a car, you must use HTCFlyerCarChargerCC C500(1.67Amp,9V). Else you only will be able to charge the Flyer when its idle.
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For fast charging in a car, you must use HTCFlyerCarChargerCC C500(1.67Amp,9V). Else you only will be able to charge the Flyer when its idle.
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Totally agree, the HTC dedicated chargers are 9 Volt but if you use any other micro-USB cable or charger it has to be 5 Volt.
They are redily available online, Mobilefun in UK have them, also Amazon.
Be aware, many are advertising standard car chargers for the Flyer, get the official one and save a load of grief.
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Totally agree, the HTC dedicated chargers are 9 Volt but if you use any other micro-USB cable or charger it has to be 5 Volt.
They are redily available online, Mobilefun in UK have them, also Amazon.
Be aware, many are advertising standard car chargers for the Flyer, get the official one and save a load of grief.
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Thanks, and I agree. I will have to get the official Flyer charger as I can only charge if the Flyer is turned off with other with other USB car chargers I have.
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Farsquidge said:
That is wrong. The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip.. I try not to use anything else just for that reason but it's up to you....!
If you look carefully at the tip, it is longer and has a greater barrel contact area than a standard one giving a more secure connection.
I think a more likely reason for the OP's charging problem is that his 2amp power unit is not ACTUALLY delivering 2amps!
Some phone chargers, use a variable pulsed output for current regulation and the Flyer needs a continuous current.
Or it may just be faulty and not supplying enough!
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Actually I think the different tip is because it uses a different voltage to charge it though the AC adaptor (for faster charging) and it's so you don't accidently plug a phone into it and blow the phone
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That is wrong. The pin connections are exactly the same as a standard micro-USB but HTC have utilized a more robust housing for the connector as many on XDA and other forums have suffered broken sockets on other devices due to bad insertion of a tiny tip.. I try not to use anything else just for that reason but it's up to you....!
If you look carefully at the tip, it is longer and has a greater barrel contact area than a standard one giving a more secure connection.
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No, actually he's correct in that the HTC charger will fast-charge it while micro USB will not. I don't know how the Flyer can tell the difference between the two, or what the circuitry is, but the HTC Flyer charge clearly reads an output of 9 volts, considerably higher than standard USB, at 5 volts.
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Does anyone know of a source for usb cables that'll fit the flyer?
It's a standard micro USB. Check monoprice if you can wait.
Otherwise, grab one that is labeled as ok for kindle or nook.
It's not a micro usb, at least on mine its not.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/flyer/specification.html
Should be.
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It's not a micro ish. At least on mine its not.
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I use a generic micro-usb on mine at night also. Don't get the micro and mini usb connectors confused. The micro is thinner than the mini... Also try turning the cable connector upside down... I think its opposite of my HTC phone.
Standard cables certainly fit. It's sort of similar to how the G2 had the weird mini compatable connector. Some accessories will be slightly different.
It's because the proprietary cable is ~10 volts; twice that of USB. But it will take a slower charge over micro USB. That is, they have an ideal solution given there is no higher voltage standard.
The ac adapter that comes with the flyer will output 9v (per the labeling) but if you were to use the included 12 pin USB cable instead, it will only pull 5v max as it just has a single USB-a end (or whateverthe output rating is of the power source > USB adapter). The extra pins in the htc cable are for audio throughput and not required for charging.
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Just checking, so any charger with micro usb would do? For instance if i grab blackberry charger, then it should be fine regardless diff voltage and watts?
Sorry..not an electrical engineer.. thanks!
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Just checking, so any charger with micro usb would do? For instance if i grab blackberry charger, then it should be fine regardless diff voltage and watts?
Sorry..not an electrical engineer.. thanks!
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My charger from my HTC EVO works fine on the flyer, but it is noticeably slower.
I use the Motorola Rapid Rate micro USB car charger, which you can get from Amazon for less than $4. Seems to work pretty well.
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I use the Motorola Rapid Rate micro USB car charger, which you can get from Amazon for less than $4. Seems to work pretty well.
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will this charge the tablet while its powered on?
errm.. just to bust the 'myth' of this thread.. No.. HTC Flyer doesn't use propriety USB cables.. just us any micro USB cables..
So far I have successful use of cables from Nokia, SE (One from Xperia and the other from Liveview), Morphie iPhone charger, Mackal retractables, Jawbone ERA and some no brands..
They all sync and charge..
I would like to cut the htc usb cable and replace it with a standard micro usb piece. I am just not sure if the charging current of the htc is not to high for other devices like my galaxy s.
For the people who like to ask "why do you want,..."; I don´t like to carry thousands of cable with me and the standard micro usb chargers charge the flyer slowlyer than the original.
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standard usb chargers can only yield 5W, which is why HTC has provided a customized charger for the flyer / view.
you're out of luck. undesirable I know.
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rubensun said:
standard usb chargers can only yield 5W, which is why HTC has provided a customized charger for the flyer / view.
you're out of luck. undesirable I know.
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does it mean I would grill other devices with the htc charger?
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does it mean I would grill other devices with the htc charger?
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You could always perform an experiment. Let us know what happens.
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Drives me nuts that they changed the connection. Finding the stupid ExtMicro or what ever they call it is hard. I ordered two last week and I won't get them until the end of this week. If anyone knows where to get them please let me knowing.... I think they come from the UK. You have to be really careful when buying cables, if it doesn't say ExtMicro USB it won't work. I almost bought one at buy.com that said it was for the flyer so I called them I the rep said that all the cables that say HTC flyer won't work unless it says ExtMicro USB. Good luck
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The HTC charger supplies 9 volts @ 1.2 amp. Which it clearly states on the label.
This may be too much for some USB devices.
USB chargers supply 5 volts usually at .5 amp.
The Flyer has two batteries inside and really needs the extra power.
The ExtMicro connector is HTC proprietary.
Ok, So will it hurt my Flyer to use a standard Micro USB? I know it's not the correct Voltage and Amperage but it does keep my tab charged while i'm at work.
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Ok, So will it hurt my Flyer to use a standard Micro USB? I know it's not the correct Voltage and Amperage but it does keep my tab charged while i'm at work.
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it won't hurt it.
won;t hurt, but s USB port will not supply enough juice to charge while you have the Flyer on. If you turn it off or off the screen it will charge it......... s l o w l y...
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Drives me nuts that they changed the connection. Finding the stupid ExtMicro or what ever they call it is hard.
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But the different connection has a deeper sense.
Using the original cable, the flyer is charged with 9V @ 1,2Amps, which is about 4-times faster then a standard microUSB can handle.
So changing the connector of the original carger will kill all "normal microUSB" devices.
Nevertheless, a standard microUSB-cable can be used too, but charging will take much longer. Even more, on heavy use, you will get the warning, that the drain of the battery is higher than the charging current.
I don't think the cable matters? I understand that the charger matters as it provides different amount of volt/amperage, but I thought the cable it self merely passes through whatever electricity is provided?
I use the same cable, the one that came with my Kindle to charge my Samsung Focus and the Evo View, and it seems to work just fine - i haven't tried watching a movie while charging, however.
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I don't think the cable matters? I understand that the charger matters as it provides different amount of volt/amperage, but I thought the cable it self merely passes through whatever electricity is provided?
I use the same cable, the one that came with my Kindle to charge my Samsung Focus and the Evo View, and it seems to work just fine - i haven't tried watching a movie while charging, however.
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Any regular micro USB will charge the view. It will charge, but it will not charge as fast as it would with the charger it comes with. I have tried charging my rezound with that charger, and it will not charge it, probably because of the huge output. So changing the tip to micro USB would probably work to charge the view, but trying to charge another device with it could probably fry it. There are quite a few places that sell the OEM charger like HTC pedia. Its a bit expensive but I would always recommend using the OEM charger.
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A standard USB charger will not charge the Flyer or View while operating. Its simply cannot provide the required supply of 9v @ 1.2 amp. that the Flyer need.
It will s l o w l y charge the Flyer while its off or asleep. And the special connector provides extra contacts to handle the additional current. It's HTC proprietary.
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I had the same problem. I broke my gf's Flyer charger. I had a hard time finding a replacement. However, Sprint and ATT carry similar chargers for their HTC tablets, View and Jetstream, respectively, The ATT Jetstream charger is $30 plus tax and the Sprint View charger is $35 plus tax.
The ATT charger is shown as white on their website. The Sprint charger is shown as being black.
Hope this helps.
So my charger met with an untimely demise. I am unable to get my hands on a replacement one at the moment.
I am currently using my computer's USB port which as you will know doesn't give quite enough juice. I have seen a microusb charger with 5V and 2A. Will this do a job (and also not get rid of the message that i am drawing more juice than the battery is getting)?
I use the charger that came with my Evo 4g. It needs to sit overnight, but it charges to green.
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So my charger met with an untimely demise. I am unable to get my hands on a replacement one at the moment.
I am currently using my computer's USB port which as you will know doesn't give quite enough juice. I have seen a microusb charger with 5V and 2A. Will this do a job (and also not get rid of the message that i am drawing more juice than the battery is getting)?
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No.
The reason for the strange shape USB lead HTC have is that it gives 9V and 1.7A - 5V isn't going to cut it, it will charge but ever so slowly and if you try to charge whilst using it you'll probably find it doesn't, it just discharges more slowly.
If I were to take an old wall wart I have here that is 9V and 2A and wire a standard micro USB cable to it, would that work to charge my flyer quickly? In other words is the strange connector necessary or just the 9V and 2A?
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If I were to take an old wall wart I have here that is 9V and 2A and wire a standard micro USB cable to it, would that work to charge my flyer quickly? In other words is the strange connector necessary or just the 9V and 2A?
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NO, because the fast charge requires the special connector on the HTC power cord , a micro-usb will not allow the Flyer to draw the high current.
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NO, because the fast charge requires the special connector on the HTC power cord , a micro-usb will not allow the Flyer to draw the high current.
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so an adaptor with a usb slot and using the usb cable would work?
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so an adaptor with a usb slot and using the usb cable would work?
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If you're using the HTC-specific microUSB cable, the adaptor would have to provide the correct amount of power (9V and 1.7A). Most usb power adaptors do not provide the adequate amount. A little while back, I made the mistake of taking just my phone usb adaptor to charge everything on a trip out of the country for nearly two months. It worked great for everything except for my View. Even though I had the HTC-specific usb cable for the View, it was still like charging via a computer usb port. It would get the job done if I left it all day or all night, but it took forever to charge.
I really would try to track down an OEM charger. Even if you find a usb adaptor that puts out the right amount of power, it still might not provide the short amount of charging time that the OEM charger does. It should theoretically, but many users have had charging time woes when using anything but the OEM charger.
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NO, because the fast charge requires the special connector on the HTC power cord , a micro-usb will not allow the Flyer to draw the high current.
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No it doesn't. A member of my site took the OEM charger, wired a 90 degree micro USB port to it, charges at full speed.
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Volts and Amps - PowerFlask
From the posts on this subject it seems that the Powerflask 13000 mAh powerbank I bought today and which charges at 5.3 volt with a 1amp and 2.5 amp port won't properly charge my flyer?
Can I safely use the 2.5amp port or should I rather stick to the 1amp port.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Maffs,
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From the posts on this subject it seems that the Powerflask 13000 mAh powerbank I bought today and which charges at 5.3 volt with a 1amp and 2.5 amp port won't properly charge my flyer?
Can I safely use the 2.5amp port or should I rather stick to the 1amp port.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Folks on here have mentioned that the device (and other tablet/smartphone devices) will only draw the amount of current (amps) it needs. So using a charger with a higher amp rating is not a concern (in theory).
But I think others have debated this, and even made claims of higher volt/amp rated chargers damaging their devices (however anecdotal).
In any case, from the responses on this thread, it appears that any charger that doesn't have HTC's proprietary connector that they used for the Flyer, will charge the tablet very slowly. I just plugged my Flyer into a microUSB charger the other day (just got back from a trip, and my stock charger was still packed), and it charged extremely slowly. It was slower than I remembered it being. It was plugged in for maybe 4 hours, and only increased the charge by 10 or 15%.
PowerFlask Volts and Amps
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.
I ran a quick test and connected the Flyer to the battery pack.
The flyer charged from 76% to 84% in 30 minutes . I realise that such a short charge isn't a proper test but it looks promising.
I used the 1amp port and will as you cautioned avoid the 2.5 amp port.
Maffs
From the "Ultimate AT&T Galaxy Note Accessory Guide" thread:
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13. Car Charger + Power Inverters
$10 -- PowerGen Dual USB 2A Heavy Duty Ouput Car Charger for Apple iPad 2, iPhone 4 4s 3Gs 3G, iPod Touch (USB Cable not included) --- Review
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Has anyone else used the PowerGen car charger with the Note? I have a handful of other ones that all claim to fast-charge devices, but apparently it only works with iPhones and iPads. But since the PowerGen unit is on the list, can I assume people have used it and confirmed it will give me a 1A charge rate on the Note? I need a charger that can keep up with the Note occasionally drawing 1.4 A or more (display 100% brightness, GPS, LTE, Bluetooth all active, running Navigation).
A quick search for "powergen" in this forum only brings up the above thread.
Works like a champ. My battery was charging at 1600mAh while streaming soundcloud and using navigation. Definitely does the job.
I am using my car charger for galaxy tab 10.1 (2.0 amp) and it is working much better than any of the 1 amp chargers I have tried, OEM, boxwave, etc...
I also use the GT 101. 110V charging brick, so when I travel, only one brick and two cables. My experience is that the 2 amp charger works really well and will charge the phone while using GPS full time, where the OEM charger and other 1 amp chargers either maintain charge, or slightly discharge.
Thanks for the confirmation! Of course, now I discover Amazon won't ship that to Canada, and amazon.ca does not carry it. :crying: I'd go see what TELUS has to offer, but I'm sure it will be A) expensive and B) not have dual USB ports, or perhaps not even a detachable cord.
If you do find one, also buy a charge-only usb cord.
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If you do find one, also buy a charge-only usb cord.
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Is that still needed if the charger itself correctly supports fast charging? The cord I use now is the one from my Touchpad. I get 1 A to the Note from the AC plug, and the Touchpad gets around 1.8 A. I do also have a charge-only cable (much thinner cord, only two wires), but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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Is that still needed if the charger itself correctly supports fast charging? The cord I use now is the one from my Touchpad. I get 1 A to the Note from the AC plug, and the Touchpad gets around 1.8 A. I do also have a charge-only cable (much thinner cord, only two wires), but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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The cord from the touchpad is probably wired correctly internally for fast charge. I bought a similar dual car charger and did not see a difference with the micro usb sync cable. I only saw a difference with a charge-only micro usb cable. The phone sees what pins are connected and determines if it is going to charge in usb charge mode(<=500ma) or AC charge mode(>=500ma).
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The cord from the touchpad is probably wired correctly internally for fast charge. I bought a similar dual car charger and did not see a difference with the micro usb sync cable. I only saw a difference with a charge-only micro usb cable. The phone sees what pins are connected and determines if it is going to charge in usb charge mode(<=500ma) or AC charge mode(>=500ma).
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So you use the Touchpad USB micro cable to charge your Note in the car? I thought the cable is too short? I am looking for a LONG USB micro cable that is shorted so it will give >500mA.
I am planning to buy the PowerGen but I need recommendation on the CORRECT USB cable that is long enough.
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slapshot591 said:
Works like a champ. My battery was charging at 1600mAh while streaming soundcloud and using navigation. Definitely does the job.
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What cable do you use?
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The cord from the touchpad is probably wired correctly internally for fast charge.
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I don't think it is, because it also works as a normal USB data cable. If pins 2 and 3 are shorted (D+ and D-), then the cable become "charge only" and cannot be used for data.
I bought a similar dual car charger and did not see a difference with the micro usb sync cable. I only saw a difference with a charge-only micro usb cable.
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Then it sounds like that car charger was an "iPad-compatible" one, i.e.: it does not have D+/D- shorted out to indicate to non-Apple devices that it is capable of more than 500 mA.
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So you use the Touchpad USB micro cable to charge your Note in the car? I thought the cable is too short?
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The cable is about a meter in length. I only need about half that to reach from the plug to the phone mount on the dash.
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I don't think it is, because it also works as a normal USB data cable. If pins 2 and 3 are shorted (D+ and D-), then the cable become "charge only" and cannot be used for data.
Then it sounds like that car charger was an "iPad-compatible" one, i.e.: it does not have D+/D- shorted out to indicate to non-Apple devices that it is capable of more than 500 mA.
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So then how does it charge fast then? If the cable isn't shorted? Motorola does the same thing. IIRC its a shorted setup to allow for fast charging. All of my USB cables come from Samsung, HP, and Motorola and I use them as data cables as well
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So then how does it charge fast then? If the cable isn't shorted?
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You short the pins inside the AC adapter or car charger, rather than the cable. If I understand correctly, the danger of using a charge-only cable is if you plug it into an actual USB port that isn't designed to supply more than 500 mA. Your device could then try to pull down, say, 2000 mA and potentially damage the power supply on your laptop or desktop.
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You short the pins inside the AC adapter or car charger, rather than the cable. If I understand correctly, the danger of using a charge-only cable is if you plug it into an actual USB port that isn't designed to supply more than 500 mA. Your device could then try to pull down, say, 2000 mA and potentially damage the power supply on your laptop or desktop.
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Ahh OK. Well, the cigarette lighter/USB converters must act like shorted out wall chargers.
That's my setup.
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I'm using the Rocketfish 3.1A Model# RF-M657D with my Note. While using Google Nav, lowest brightness, keys backlight off, Sync off, HSPA+, the phone still loses charge (albeit, slowly). I'm assuming this is because the charger is not internally shorted between pins two and three as it is marketed as a iPad/iPhone charger. I'm using a Belkin Data/Charge cable so I know that is not shorted.
I have been doing some reading and last night, I purchased the "Satechi Smart Adapter Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S (I can't post links yet, google it.) so I will report back when I receive and pair it with the Rocketfish.
One thing I can't understand is how some of you have reported 1600mA from your car chargers. I am reading that without this adapter/cable mod, the Note will only run 460mA or so. With the adapter/cable mod, the Note's hardware maxes out at 960mA. Also, is their an app that allows me to see how much amperage the Note is receiving or are you guys pulling out the multimeter?
slapshot591 said:
Works like a champ. My battery was charging at 1600mAh while streaming soundcloud and using navigation. Definitely does the job.
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Where/how do you get this info? Asking because I'm curious to see how my car charger does. It has usb ports rated at 2A, and I think it's 2A shared instead of per port, but want to see how it actually does when plugged in.
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I'm using the Rocketfish 3.1A Model# RF-M657D with my Note. While using Google Nav, lowest brightness, keys backlight off, Sync off, HSPA+, the phone still loses charge (albeit, slowly). I'm assuming this is because the charger is not internally shorted between pins two and three as it is marketed as a iPad/iPhone charger. I'm using a Belkin Data/Charge cable so I know that is not shorted.
I have been doing some reading and last night, I purchased the "Satechi Smart Adapter Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S (I can't post links yet, google it.) so I will report back when I receive and pair it with the Rocketfish.
One thing I can't understand is how some of you have reported 1600mA from your car chargers. I am reading that without this adapter/cable mod, the Note will only run 460mA or so. With the adapter/cable mod, the Note's hardware maxes out at 960mA. Also, is their an app that allows me to see how much amperage the Note is receiving or are you guys pulling out the multimeter?
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My rocket fish model must put out more than yours. My pic is above your post. With Google Nav, Google play music (streaming, not native music), full sync, brightness to at least 50% it only lost 4% over 30-40mins.
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My rocket fish model must put out more than yours. My pic is above your post. With Google Nav, Google play music (streaming, not native music), full sync, brightness to at least 50% it only lost 4% over 30-40mins.
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From what I read, your charger is an .5 amp.
It's not like my phone dies or anything, but it'll lose like 5% an hour and I could be exaggerating. Are you using a charge-only cable or modded cable/charger at all? Like I said, I think this phone is only pulling down 460mA without said mod and I find 1600mA to be incorrect as I read the Note will only pull down 960mA max. We'll see what this adapter does for my charge times.
btswein said:
From what I read, your charger is an .5 amp.
It's not like my phone dies or anything, but it'll lose like 5% an hour and I could be exaggerating. Are you using a charge-only cable or modded cable/charger at all? Like I said, I think this phone is only pulling down 460mA without said mod and I find 1600mA to be incorrect as I read the Note will only pull down 960mA max. We'll see what this adapter does for my charge times.
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They only thing I'm using is that exact setup posted. RF adapter and a Motorola atrix desktop dock charge cable.. (basically just a longer version of the standard wall charger)
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erick161 said:
They only thing I'm using is that exact setup posted. RF adapter and a Motorola atrix desktop dock charge cable.. (basically just a longer version of the standard wall charger)
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Ah, charge-only cable is the main factor here.
btswein said:
Ah, charge-only cable is the main factor here.
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OK, I lied, I'm using the OEM cable that came with the Motorola Atrix 4G, not the longer cable from the desktop dock. I just checked my car and that's the cable that's in there.
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When ever I drive, I have my phone hooked up to my Escort Red Line radar detector and my car's stereo via bluetooth (both). In order for me to use the radar detector effective, I need to have GPS and Blueooth enabled. This is a HUGE SUPER OMG battery drainer for my amaze. 20 minutes drive kills about 35% of the phone's power. My radar detector offers a slot to charge my phone BUT it still drains, not enough juice flowing in. Someone said it is because it's probably a .5amp.
So I am running a extension from the 12v lighter that's in the trunk to the front of my car. Amazon has a generic 2.1amp for 3 bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/Premium-Heavy...121&sr=8-1&keywords=htc+amaze+car+charger+amp
But on ebay, I found the original HTC car charger for 15 bucks which is a 1amp.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-Amaze-4...918506?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27c867022a
What do you guys recommend? My logic says go for the 2.1amp, the phone will draw as much as it needs from it.
The 1amp.
Anything higher you'll damage the phone or the battery.
A wall plug power supply or a usb supply is 5.0v/1amp.
The 2.1 amp is probably 1 amp per port. Although it does not seem to specify.
F9zSlavik said:
What do you guys recommend? My logic says go for the 2.1amp, the phone will draw as much as it needs from it.
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Right!:good:
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soundping said:
The 1amp.
Anything higher you'll damage the phone or the battery.
A wall plug power supply or a usb supply is 5.0v/1amp.
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That means a higher capacity battery (more current NOT MORE VOLTAGE) will damage the phone?!!!!
Totally wrong!
A higher current will not damage the phone. A higher voltage will do it!
Please do not mix the current with voltage!
Voltage is same 5 Volts (±5%) for these “USB like” applications (1A or 2.1A power supply our case )They use USB socket/connector but usually only pin 1 and 4 (+ and-)
Regular computer USB port can supply max 0.5-0.9 A depending on version.
For battery charging devices the current can go to 5A.
Higher voltage will trip a warning window telling you to disconnect and use official HTC equipment.
The phone monitors input voltage to protect the equipment.
nyc_tdi said:
That means a higher capacity battery (more current NOT MORE VOLTAGE) will damage the phone?!!!!
Totally wrong!
A higher current will not damage the phone. A higher voltage will do it!
Please do not mix the current with voltage!
Voltage is same 5 Volts (±5%) for these “USB like” applications (1A or 2.1A power supply our case )They use USB socket/connector but usually only pin 1 and 4 (+ and-)
Regular computer USB port can supply max 0.5-0.9 A depending on version.
For battery charging devices the current can go to 5A.
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and to add to that... unless you take the charger apart and short pins 2 and 3, it will only ever draw 500mA, as it assumes that it is hooked up to a regular powered USB port... I have bought multiple car charger usb adapters, and I have taken all of them apart and soldered the 2nd and 3rd pins together... otherwise charge time = forever, and sometimes it won't even charge if you have wifi or data/gps/bluetooth all going at once...
I recently got an Amaze and am generally happy with it. The biggest problem I have right now is finding the right car charger for it because the car charger I previously used (a 1A monoprice car charger) doesn't give it enough charge. I have been reading through the forums and some has been saying that if the charger is not working properly, it will recognize it as charging via USB rather than AC. In my case, the phone seems to be reading it as charging through AC, but there still doesn't seem to be enough current going through it. The phone will only charge if NOTHING is going on (i.e. screen's off, no GPS, etc.). I've been using CoPilot GPS and it draws the battery like crazy. Anyone has any idea as to which car charger would work properly with the Amaze such that I'll be able to charge (or at least maintain the charge) while using it as a GPS? Do I need to go up to a 2.1A charger?
I would look for a 4-5 star rated 2.1a car charger on Amazon.
Just read through the comments and feedback and you'll find one that's right for you.
I prefer the USB charger base itself and then using the OEM cable that came with the Amaze.
It seems to charge faster with that cable, at least to me anyway.
Remember though if it's rated 2.1a but has two USB slots that 2.1a will be cut in half if used to charge two different devices.
Hope this helps.
I couldve sworn we talked about this months ago. Let me see if I can find the thread.
nguyendqh said:
I would look for a 4-5 star rated 2.1a car charger on Amazon.
Just read through the comments and feedback and you'll find one that's right for you.
I prefer the USB charger base itself and then using the OEM cable that came with the Amaze.
It seems to charge faster with that cable, at least to me anyway.
Remember though if it's rated 2.1a but has two USB slots that 2.1a will be cut in half if used to charge two different devices.
Hope this helps.
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you won't get the full 2.1a unless you usee a charge only cable or modify the charger as I stated above...
I ended up getting a 2.1A car charger and a USB charge only cable, and it's working perfectly. When I have the screen on full brightness and doing navigation with Co-Pilot GPS, my phone's no longer losing charge and is actually charging. The combo also works with my tablet as well.
blast0id said:
and to add to that... unless you take the charger apart and short pins 2 and 3, it will only ever draw 500mA, as it assumes that it is hooked up to a regular powered USB port... I have bought multiple car charger usb adapters, and I have taken all of them apart and soldered the 2nd and 3rd pins together... otherwise charge time = forever, and sometimes it won't even charge if you have wifi or data/gps/bluetooth all going at once...
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This is damn helpful! So THAT is why when driving and using gps or whatnot I would always lose more battery even on charger.. So basically I can just solder the middle 2 pins together to trick it into thinking it is being powered like a home charger? No chance it will hurt anything I assume?
Silentbtdeadly said:
This is damn helpful! So THAT is why when driving and using gps or whatnot I would always lose more battery even on charger.. So basically I can just solder the middle 2 pins together to trick it into thinking it is being powered like a home charger? No chance it will hurt anything I assume?
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I have done this to every single one of my USB car chargers... not a single issue...