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i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
and if there would be a dev willing to give it a go
Julianmgn said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816639
i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
and if there would be a dev willing to give it a go
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Is it just because you don't like KK? I know there is some sentiment on the forums about KK and there is some type of a flame war. Maybe some dev will pick this up.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816639
i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
and if there would be a dev willing to give it a go
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Haha, dude.. If you where a developer wouldn't you want done type of compensation for your efforts? If you want something that bad just party for it. We are lucky more of these guys do all of this for us without asking for anything in return. That said, 5$ for a rom is not that bad man.. Thats less than 1 meal at a fast food place.
Support android, support our phone and the developers who make it better and better daily. I don't know, just my take on the situation.
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WOW dude u are so cheap damn these dudes stay up all day and night to make these for us and u act like 5 dollars a month is really goin to break u. SMDH that just dont make no sense no appreciation.
Julianmgn said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816639
i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
and if there would be a dev willing to give it a go
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Just asking but how much are you paying for cell service? How much did you pay for the phone that came not fully functional? Seems if you want to OC to 1.3 and have it fully functional $5 is a small price to pay considering the amount of work involved.
I'm with the OP on this one. I think it's retarded to pay a subscription to be a "premium member". I don't know why people felt they needed to attack the OP....to each their own I guess.
I dont think they attacked the op, but most of this community knows that developers put alot of hardwork and effort into kernels, roms, ect. They have to put up with complaints, and people whinning. They have to offer assistance for issues, and asnwer thousands of questions. 5 dlls is a small fee to pay
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I'm with the OP on this one. I think it's retarded to pay a subscription to be a "premium member". I don't know why people felt they needed to attack the OP....to each their own I guess.
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I'm sorry if you feel we are attacking the OP. Do a quick search and you will see he has posted this same topic several times in the last 24hrs. Maybe that's part of the reason. In my opinion, if he want's that extra bump it would seem like a small price to pay. Phone is plenty fast enough for most users at 1.2 and that's free thanks to the contributions from users and the kindness and dedication of the developers here. Just my 2 pennies.
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I'm with the OP on this one. I think it's retarded to pay a subscription to be a "premium member". I don't know why people felt they needed to attack the OP....to each their own I guess.
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Yeah, at least for me, I have no problem paying developers for their hard work, but over the course of a year, 5 dollars a month becomes 60 dollars which, yeah, is really more that this is worth, especially if we want to spend it on other things as well (other software, etc). Just saying. 5 dollars once is one thing, 5 dollars / month is another.
I don't really understand what the problem is here, ask king for his code. It's the beauty of the GPL. It would be nice to get that code, Eugene's 2.2 kernel source and that nice I9000 filesystem mod all together in a neat little kernel for 2.2 on the vibrant.
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the way things are going with htc, motorola, etc. locking the roms with acutal hardware - whats the point.
if we keep gabbing over 5 bucks what is going to keep devs willing to spend their time and brains, if people are going to cry about it once they release it.
pretty soon it won't be the developers or google we are yelling about it will be the handset manufactur and the provider.
What gets me is there are several people over at KKs board right now that have paid and have received no password for platinum access nor has anyone even tried to help. That isn't right.
If you head over to kks forum under the Vibrant development you'll see several people that have paid days ago with no password nor any help. Not cool.....
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My thoughts are scattered. At one point i'd say a 1.2 oc is not going to pale much in comparison to a 1.3. My other thoughts would be a one time fee is more reasonable but also harder to swallow. Would you rather pay fifteen dollars straight up or monthly cost. I can't see anyone paying fifteen straight up.
Other thoughts. It's disappointing how much well get for free and are not satisfied. However I think donating is a good way to show appreciation I do not believe these things should be done with the intention of making money but if they at putting this much time into it and not getting enough donations to make it worth it to where they have to feel the need to charge. That's just too bad. In the end if you don't like the cost of a product don't buy it...
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My thoughts are scattered. At one point i'd say a 1.2 oc is not going to pale much in comparison to a 1.3. My other thoughts would be a one time fee is more reasonable but also harder to swallow. Would you rather pay fifteen dollars straight up or monthly cost. I can't see anyone paying fifteen straight up.
Other thoughts. It's disappointing how much well get for free and are not satisfied. However I think donating is a good way to show appreciation I do not believe these things should be done with the intention of making money but if they at putting this much time into it and not getting enough donations to make it worth it to where they have to feel the need to charge. That's just too bad. In the end if you don't like the cost of a product don't buy it...
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Yeah but you also have people over at kks forum that aren't receiving what they paid for nor any support on the matter so why would anyone that's been to that thread and seen that pay knowing they won't receive any support.
Now I've been giving money to developers for a long time but I'm not giving anyone my money that can't show a little support now and then.
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Unoffcial manufactures and carrier dev's
Yes let's not tinker with our electronics let's all run stock software on all our devices from smart-phones pc's sat receivers ect. Let's all pay out the ass every year for new hardware/software like I really need my phone oc to 1.5ghz I like being locked to a market and have to buy apps that the dev's of apps get taken for 20% by the market (apple, Google, ms) ect. I love my phone locked to the carrier that charges 10 cents a sms for 160 character e-mail. Let's just assume that a 1ghz smart-phone needs to be a quad core 4.0 with 2 gig internal ram. So I can play 3d games on a 4" screen while I work in open office on my power point pres. and sms and make a call at same time while my nice 27" computer is 20 feet away. I love having 10 old cell phones lying around love figuring out what the hell is this charger is for. For god sakes man please let me give US $$$ to the Asian countries instead.............. (they actually own everything anyway)
PC's get smaller Phones gets bigger and tablets are just baffling me. Cant's we just get an implant in our brains for all of it?
Sorry recieving an OTA update to my head have to lay down 8 hours so I have to end this rant....... Sure hope the gas.lib gets fixed this time it's been hell farting out of my ears........
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Yes let's not tinker with our electronics let's all run stock software on all our devices from smart-phones pc's sat receivers ect. Let's all pay out the ass every year for new hardware/software like I really need my phone oc to 1.5ghz I like being locked to a market and have to buy apps that the dev's of apps get taken for 20% by the market (apple, Google, ms) ect. I love my phone locked to the carrier that charges 10 cents a sms for 160 character e-mail. Let's just assume that a 1ghz smart-phone needs to be a quad core 4.0 with 2 gig internal ram. So I can play 3d games on a 4" screen while I work in open office on my power point pres. and sms and make a call at same time while my nice 27" computer is 20 feet away. I love having 10 old cell phones lying around love figuring out what the hell is this charger is for. For god sakes man please let me give US $$$ to the Asian countries instead.............. (they actually own everything anyway)
PC's get smaller Phones gets bigger and tablets are just baffling me. Cant's we just get an implant in our brains for all of it?
Sorry recieving an OTA update to my head have to lay down 8 hours so I have to end this rant....... Sure hope the gas.lib gets fixed this time it's been hell farting out of my ears........
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Hey at least your getting your sleep OTA update. I'm still lost due to my bad GPS update and don't get me started about my frozen yogurt. I'm just trying to get a better taste in my mouth!
I don't see the point of OC-ing any more. We only have one dev doing kernels. Also because once we like 1.4 GHz stable, then those same ppl asking for that kernel is gonna be complaining about the battery being drained too quick. U can't please noobs...its impossible to keep noobs .just my .02 opinion
Changing to my appreciation/donation fund. I know I'm new here, and want to contribute where I can. That being said I want to contribute to the Developer(s) that get the phone root for us. In appreciation.
I know I could wait for HTC (if they) unlock it. But let's face it, we want it now and who knows if/when HTC will come through.
Again this is to express appreciation to the dev's. And duce this will buy you a few gallons of haagen dazs
If I'm out of line here then a mod can delete this, otherwise I'll start by and will keep a tally updated:
w9sig - 25.00
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w9sig said:
I know I'm new here, and want to contribute where I can. That being said I want to contribute to the Developer(s) that get the phone root for us. In appreciation.
I know I could wait for HTC (if they) unlock it. But let's face it, we want it now and who knows if/when HTC will come through.
Again this is to express appreciation to the dev's. And duce this will buy you a few gallons of haagen dazs
If I'm out of line here then a mod can delete this, otherwise I'll start by and will keep a tally updated:
w9sig - 25.00
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thats great that u wanna help.....more the merrier.......head over to HAUS's thread....that where all the BIG DEVs are trying to bust this out.....thats where everyone is heading to chip in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135100
All of the "BIG DEVS" ....heh
Anyways, Bounties always help drive developers to root things faster, Sounds cool to me.
1: Wrong section (this itself isn't development)
2: Bounties suck. Give someone a few bucks for helping you out if they're working on it. Don't hold money over their heads and tell them they can only have it if they drop their lives to give the public something that they're working on in their spare time.
Personally I think bounties just tend to start fights about who contributed what... hard to pay a bounty when 3 or 5 or 10 people contributed.
That said... I won't stop you from trying...
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1: Wrong section (this itself isn't development)
2: Bounties suck. Give someone a few bucks for helping you out if they're working on it. Don't hold money over their heads and tell them they can only have it if they drop their lives to give the public something that they're working on in their spare time.
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No they don't we don't expect them to "drop there lives" its just a bounty to raise money for the devs to show our appreciation and to reaffirm that all their hardwork will pat off besides rooting the evo out me down for five bucks
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Yeah big or small, doesn't matter to me. Since I'm such a newb, I don't know who is who.
Glad to see some think it's a good idea.
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All of the "BIG DEVS" ....heh
Anyways, Bounties always help drive developers to root things faster, Sounds cool to me.
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Did you get a 3d?
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Personally I think bounties just tend to start fights about who contributed what... hard to pay a bounty when 3 or 5 or 10 people contributed.
That said... I won't stop you from trying...
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Good point, ill just donate to those who I feel contributed the most I've read the whole wip s off thread so well see
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Haus isn't for bounties.. figured i'd relay his message since he's off doing better things
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Naw, no bounties please. They tend to make some people want to hoard information and are counterproductive
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Ok, I'll call it my appreciation fund. Thanks saw that.
0_o
Stericson said:
All of the "BIG DEVS" ....heh
Anyways, Bounties always help drive developers to root things faster, Sounds cool to me.
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Did you get a E3D? I'd love to see you developing again. I'm not too sure what you've been up to recently since I've had my N1 but I remember you from back in the G1 days. Big ups!
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No they don't we don't expect them to "drop there lives" its just a bounty to raise money for the devs to show our appreciation and to reaffirm that all their hardwork will pat off besides rooting the evo out me down for five bucks
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My reasoning is the same as what Haus said. If you offer a bounty, people stop sharing information and try to get it done first and quickest because they know that only the person that gives the answer will get the money.
Example:
If I were to offer $500 to the first person to answer 50 specific questions... Do you think anyone would answer a post that said "Hey what's the answer to number 7?" Everyone would want to keep to themselves and not help anyone else.
Obviously this is different, but that's a more extreme idea to get the point out there.
If you feel like someone is working hard, or has worked hard... Donate a few dollars to them to give them something for their time. I really don't like the idea of bounties because it then puts pressure on people to keep going and ignore other things, as only one person will get the big bounty (if people actually even pay what they said they would).
Holy... I think I just saw Stericson. This phone is bringing people from everywhere!
BANG! from my shooter...
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My reasoning is the same as what Haus said. If you offer a bounty, people stop sharing information and try to get it done first and quickest because they know that only the person that gives the answer will get the money.
Example:
If I were to offer $500 to the first person to answer 50 specific questions... Do you think anyone would answer a post that said "Hey what's the answer to number 7?" Everyone would want to keep to themselves and not help anyone else.
Obviously this is different, but that's a more extreme idea to get the point out there.
If you feel like someone is working hard, or has worked hard... Donate a few dollars to them to give them something for their time. I really don't like the idea of bounties because it then puts pressure on people to keep going and ignore other things, as only one person will get the big bounty (if people actually even pay what they said they would).
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fair enough, you got me lol down with this fund
Of course I'm not opposed to giving some loot to those that deserve it though. I need to talk to the wife to decide how much I can give up to Haus (and probably others, he isn't the only one I've taken notice of) for his work. I'm sure we'll get root soon, so I'm not worried about forking over some money now to let him know I appreciate the hard work.
I'm pretty sure we didn't need a bounty for this phone to get rooted.
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I'm pretty sure we didn't need a bounty for this phone to get rooted.
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Nope, just the encryption key or for HTC to get on it.
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No, I'm not happy to see you, that's a Shooter in my pocket.
Yea, I got a 3D
Apparently, I haven't posted enough to post to the development thread. Bummer. I wanted to thank Albert for his so easy to use thread on rooting my new Nook tablet. I made a donation, but then I got to worrying that I'm a cheap bastard, and didn't give enough.
So, my question is, what's generally considered a reasonable donation as a thank you to a developer?
Three dollar bill, y'all
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A donation is just that. It doesn't have to be any certain amount. I think the payee is happy to get anything. It's just basically a way to say "hey thanks for doing something productive that I use(d)"
Myself personally, I have received between 5-25 dollars previously. I normally spend about 5 when I donate.
Never feel like you didn't donate enough. I think 99% of the devs are happy you thought to donate anything.
Cheers.
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A donation is just that. It doesn't have to be any certain amount. I think the payee is happy to get anything. It's just basically a way to say "hey thanks for doing something productive that I use(d)"
Myself personally, I have received between 5-25 dollars previously. I normally spend about 5 when I donate.
Never feel like you didn't donate enough. I think 99% of the devs are happy you thought to donate anything.
Cheers.
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I dont think just useing the thanks button was enough. This was an awesome post.
I wanted to make sure Celtic had enough in donations to take his wife to a really nice restaurant, as I understand it she wasnt happy about how much time he spent the first two weeks of Development. So, I gave a bit less than $10 USD, figure they can go to just about any burger king in the UK for that much.
I agree. A thank you is always nice, but these people are working their collective tails off, and should be rewarded in a more tangible way!
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I agree. A thank you is always nice, but these people are working their collective tails off, and should be rewarded in a more tangible way!
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Indeed. However, times are tough all around. I try to donate at least a few bucks a couple of times a month. (paydays specifically) But there are so many awesome devs, it's hard to figure out who to donate to. I mean, at this point, fattire should at least have every flavor of nook device, considering all the work he has put into all of them. Bauwks, for obvious reasons. Indirect, Celtic, Gonce...all of them.
Hell for that matter, Steve Kondik should be able to retire.
This is an ics bounty thread, every donation is welcomed.
Guru_shastri 50$
kailashpchhabria $20
Juannicolas 30$
o0 DIDDY 0o 25$
mwoliver 50$
emuking - 50$
princesa2000 - $50
craig0r - 50$ (@ the dev forum)
frankieGom - 30$
DNarsingh - 20$
Total: 375$
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Lets get this going!!!!
guru_shastri said:
Well, since i see no other option for us getting ICS i'm willing to offer 50 of my finest dollars to the first fella bringing ICS to the Jetstream.
you'r all welcom to chip in.
guru_shastri - 50$
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I pledge 50$ to this bounty.
guru_shastri - 50$
mgori - 50$
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I pledge 50$ to this bounty.
guru_shastri - 50$
mgori - 50$
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I shall pledge $20 for now. Once get ahead with a job or post graduation, shall pool in more.
guru_shastri $50
Mgori $50
kailashpchhabria $20
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no one else?
I will go with a $30 for the moment.
Thanks, hopefully someone will pick up the project..
I'd do $25, then another $25 upon completion. Problem Is we would need to raise enough money for whichever Developer to buy a Jetstream to build with.
i know. i'm hoping one of the dev's already owning the jetstream (i think there's one or two other than task650) will keep it up..
if not - maybe we could get enough money to buy one..they are cheaper than they used to be
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i know. i'm hoping one of the dev's already owning the jetstream (i think there's one or two other than task650) will keep it up..
if not - maybe we could get enough money to buy one..they are cheaper than they used to be
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I brought it up to Newtoroot from mikmik, he said for it to be done he'd need the device. He's done amazing work over the years, recently he recoded the ril from the one x to bring sense 4 ICS for the the reZound.
i think there's an opportunity here.
if we could get enough money, and one of the members here would like to sell his device, maybe we can buy a device for development.
meanwhile we must wait for the bounty to grow..
guru_shastri said:
i think there's an opportunity here.
if we could get enough money, and one of the members here would like to sell his device, maybe we can buy a device for development.
meanwhile we must wait for the bounty to grow..
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Yes. Agreed. Please guys pool in. Even if we don't get a member to sell the device, I think a new one would be like $550 or something with contract. Let's see. Hopefully Russ's contact also comes through. He will post details himself once any news available.
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I would consider selling mine at a discount to a developer or trade for a thinkpad. Otherwise I would be willing to contribute to the bounty. IDK, it depends if anyone really thinks they can do it, but I've lost faith in HTC and hope in XDA.
They are selling refurbs outright for 350 on atts site right now
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I've got a little bit of experience with compiling Cyanogen. Work is crazy-busy for me lately, so I'm not sure when I'll have time to work on it, but I will do whatever I can to get this working.
I'm not much of a developer, so any help I can get will be appreciated. We'll need to look for other devices already running ICS that have similar hardware.
Like I said, work's crazy busy, so right now I don't have much time to hunt for this info.
However, I may be able to use the HP Touchpad (which I also have, running CM9) as a starting point. The Jetstream has a Qualcomm MSM8260 CPU, where the TP is using a MSM8060. They're similar, yet obviously not identical CPUs.
We'll also need to figure out the other hardware, like what display, touchscreen, wifi, etc. hardware the Jetstream is using.
With any luck, we'll get something. It sucks that Honeycomb is closed source. That'll make things a little bit harder. At least the kernel's open source still.
I'm going to post this over in the Dev section, for anyone who wants to help with data mining.
Oh, and I don't want the bounty. Just getting ICS on this device would be enough reward for me.
craig0r said:
I've got a little bit of experience with compiling Cyanogen. Work is crazy-busy for me lately, so I'm not sure when I'll have time to work on it, but I will do whatever I can to get this working.
I'm not much of a developer, so any help I can get will be appreciated. We'll need to look for other devices already running ICS that have similar hardware.
Like I said, work's crazy busy, so right now I don't have much time to hunt for this info.
However, I may be able to use the HP Touchpad (which I also have, running CM9) as a starting point. The Jetstream has a Qualcomm MSM8260 CPU, where the TP is using a MSM8060. They're similar, yet obviously not identical CPUs.
We'll also need to figure out the other hardware, like what display, touchscreen, wifi, etc. hardware the Jetstream is using.
With any luck, we'll get something. It sucks that Honeycomb is closed source. That'll make things a little bit harder. At least the kernel's open source still.
I'm going to post this over in the Dev section, for anyone who wants to help with data mining.
Oh, and I don't want the bounty. Just getting ICS on this device would be enough reward for me.
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Thank you. Would you be able to do something about s-off too? BOGMOH has got a s-off device. He is willing to help in order to aid us others to get the same. If you have some know how, could you help out for that too?
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Thank you. Would you be able to do something about s-off too? BOGMOH has got a s-off device. He is willing to help in order to aid us others to get the same. If you have some know how, could you help out for that too?
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Doubtful. Like I said, I'm not a super-dev or anything, and things like bypassing/decrypting security are beyond me.
There's a couple people over in the Development forum who are buzzing about this. Apparently there *may* be an HTC dev willing to help out, if I understood correctly.
Let's push this!
this needs to get more attention. Otherwise it's just going to die off, I think for a developer to be truly interested we need more then $300, because building ICS for this device won't be easy. I know task has tried before and he said that he could not get it to work but I'm not sure how much time he had to play around with it since his daughter is sick. Maybe we can reach out to some tech media like Engadet, Boy Genius Report, or Tom's Hardware or even contact XDA and see if they can make a post about this on the portal homepage and really it this idea put there. I'm pretty sure that the jetstream has a bigger community then this just they might not know about xda...
its a matter of time, mainly.
this forum was never alive for more than a few days in a row..
people doesnt come here to often. we need to try and wait, and keep the posts going.
also - if someone feels the sums are too high, any contribution will count! even 5-10 dollars from a few people could make a change.
in the event of this not working, try signing my petition here, http://www.thepetitionsite.com/480/...ew-jetstream-jetstream-4g-android-40-upgrade/
What is the most insulting about the whole process is that HTC is discontinuing support (which is the only way to describe not updating software even a few months after release) and still insistent on keeping the device locked down for "user experience". I mean they could almost get XDA devs to do the support for free if they weren't so possessive about the device after the POS. Fingers crossed on that contact pulling through.
I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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no hard feelings bro. id feel pretty pissed too if i donated money and it didnt lead to anything. this community, is broken right now. we have about three devs for cdma and 1 gsm left. i want to stay but it seems i cant! im pretty sure im leaving to get a GSM gnex and go to tmobile. its just better for me right now. believe me, THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!! if anyone gets offended, they are p*ssies
I started to think of the fact that the money I donated would have bought me almost a third of a One X at full retail price but developers do release ROMs before getting donations so I'm trying to see it as contribution done in the past, not in the future.
hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
hang in there, the source/ update drought cant last forever. If you can make it through the wait, it's inevitable that the combination of the hardware + the price of this phone will bring talent. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those folks you mention above make their way back here again. Being stuck on 2 year old software isn't really exciting for many devs, but it's where we're at for the time being.
Nice to see that you have a new outlook dude
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I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
I thank you all make good points and I feel the same way also and I'm so tired of all the childish stuff that just keeps going on iv been with most these dev's sense(pun intened) the inc and they all are very talented but really don't blame them for leaving whether it be personal or not.on that note thank you to all the modders themers and devs and anyone that's a helper and not a troll
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I don't blame people for wanting to go develop for a newer hardware platform, I would do the same and if I could afford it right now, I would buy a GNEX and let Google feed be with updates.
We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
I don't see the rage about the new S3, or Nexus (plus thought nexus was blocked for US sales??). I'm really enjoying the Resound and am having Zero issues at the moment with it. It would be nice to get some of the new updates rolling quicker with the phone, but the amount of work developers have put into the current roms is amazing. They are all very talented people, and there's no possible way to thank them enough for all they've done. I just do really hope some end up trailing back in our direction and bring/breathe more life into this phone..... Particularly Jellybean.
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hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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Let's see VZW/HTC stated this phone officially would have ICS Q1, it is now Q3 and they have yet to deliver. This phone has already passed it's shelf life so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't see the official ICS/source for another month, or two, or three. It sucks but you just gotta face it, this phone is dead. Great phone with a lot of potential, troll community destroys any hope of AOSP or the improvement of current roms.
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
Nic2112 said:
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
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This.
Completely.
rsage said:
I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
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Maybe some people need to change their expectations.
I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
Nilsp's ROMs are just about the only ones I've used since I got my Rezound. I appreciate the consistent quality, that he'll answer a question almost anytime of the day or night without snark, and that his ROMs are in a constant state of improvement. I've bought him at least one beer if not two, and if he can get Sense 4 to run properly, I'll buy him a case.
BTW...Nilsp had to be coaxed into accepting donations. Like many of the devs, his satisfaction seems to come in beating the challenges and the simple thanks the users of his product give him. The rest...beer money.
I think another problem with this community is the sense that Verizon has practically orphaned this phone right out of the gate. It was supposed to be a top of the line phone...by technical standards, it's still one of their best phones eight months out of the gate, which is saying something...but they never promoted it, and the dragging of their feet with the ICS update is simply maddening, given that they implied it would be one of the first to get it.
I like this phone. I'm pretty much stuck with it for another year anyway, but I can't see the advantage to jumping at quad cores, especially since few apps can truly take advantage of the extra cores anyhow.
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I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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Nobody bought me a phone. I'm not buying someone else one.
I prefer developers who plan to use their phone and their ROMs as daily drivers...because that's how I use my phone. If I'm helping a dev buy a phone, he's only in it for the challenge. Once he thinks he's met that challenge, he's off looking for a new one...while I've still got a year or more to go on my contract. And all of that presumes we're talking about an ethical developer...one that's not using his buddy's phone to do the work and pocketing the donations. ---NOTE---that is not an accusation pointed at anyone, just a hypothetical.
I'm not the government. I don't pay for future development....because more times than not, it doesn't work out to be much of a bargain for the taxpayer.
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We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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yeah, nils is the man. made some badass roms on the Inc, and continues to do so on the rezound.