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Changing to my appreciation/donation fund. I know I'm new here, and want to contribute where I can. That being said I want to contribute to the Developer(s) that get the phone root for us. In appreciation.
I know I could wait for HTC (if they) unlock it. But let's face it, we want it now and who knows if/when HTC will come through.
Again this is to express appreciation to the dev's. And duce this will buy you a few gallons of haagen dazs
If I'm out of line here then a mod can delete this, otherwise I'll start by and will keep a tally updated:
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w9sig said:
I know I'm new here, and want to contribute where I can. That being said I want to contribute to the Developer(s) that get the phone root for us. In appreciation.
I know I could wait for HTC (if they) unlock it. But let's face it, we want it now and who knows if/when HTC will come through.
Again this is to express appreciation to the dev's. And duce this will buy you a few gallons of haagen dazs
If I'm out of line here then a mod can delete this, otherwise I'll start by and will keep a tally updated:
w9sig - 25.00
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thats great that u wanna help.....more the merrier.......head over to HAUS's thread....that where all the BIG DEVs are trying to bust this out.....thats where everyone is heading to chip in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135100
All of the "BIG DEVS" ....heh
Anyways, Bounties always help drive developers to root things faster, Sounds cool to me.
1: Wrong section (this itself isn't development)
2: Bounties suck. Give someone a few bucks for helping you out if they're working on it. Don't hold money over their heads and tell them they can only have it if they drop their lives to give the public something that they're working on in their spare time.
Personally I think bounties just tend to start fights about who contributed what... hard to pay a bounty when 3 or 5 or 10 people contributed.
That said... I won't stop you from trying...
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1: Wrong section (this itself isn't development)
2: Bounties suck. Give someone a few bucks for helping you out if they're working on it. Don't hold money over their heads and tell them they can only have it if they drop their lives to give the public something that they're working on in their spare time.
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No they don't we don't expect them to "drop there lives" its just a bounty to raise money for the devs to show our appreciation and to reaffirm that all their hardwork will pat off besides rooting the evo out me down for five bucks
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Yeah big or small, doesn't matter to me. Since I'm such a newb, I don't know who is who.
Glad to see some think it's a good idea.
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All of the "BIG DEVS" ....heh
Anyways, Bounties always help drive developers to root things faster, Sounds cool to me.
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Did you get a 3d?
Sent from 3D land
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Personally I think bounties just tend to start fights about who contributed what... hard to pay a bounty when 3 or 5 or 10 people contributed.
That said... I won't stop you from trying...
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Good point, ill just donate to those who I feel contributed the most I've read the whole wip s off thread so well see
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Haus isn't for bounties.. figured i'd relay his message since he's off doing better things
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Naw, no bounties please. They tend to make some people want to hoard information and are counterproductive
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Ok, I'll call it my appreciation fund. Thanks saw that.
0_o
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All of the "BIG DEVS" ....heh
Anyways, Bounties always help drive developers to root things faster, Sounds cool to me.
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Did you get a E3D? I'd love to see you developing again. I'm not too sure what you've been up to recently since I've had my N1 but I remember you from back in the G1 days. Big ups!
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No they don't we don't expect them to "drop there lives" its just a bounty to raise money for the devs to show our appreciation and to reaffirm that all their hardwork will pat off besides rooting the evo out me down for five bucks
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My reasoning is the same as what Haus said. If you offer a bounty, people stop sharing information and try to get it done first and quickest because they know that only the person that gives the answer will get the money.
Example:
If I were to offer $500 to the first person to answer 50 specific questions... Do you think anyone would answer a post that said "Hey what's the answer to number 7?" Everyone would want to keep to themselves and not help anyone else.
Obviously this is different, but that's a more extreme idea to get the point out there.
If you feel like someone is working hard, or has worked hard... Donate a few dollars to them to give them something for their time. I really don't like the idea of bounties because it then puts pressure on people to keep going and ignore other things, as only one person will get the big bounty (if people actually even pay what they said they would).
Holy... I think I just saw Stericson. This phone is bringing people from everywhere!
BANG! from my shooter...
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My reasoning is the same as what Haus said. If you offer a bounty, people stop sharing information and try to get it done first and quickest because they know that only the person that gives the answer will get the money.
Example:
If I were to offer $500 to the first person to answer 50 specific questions... Do you think anyone would answer a post that said "Hey what's the answer to number 7?" Everyone would want to keep to themselves and not help anyone else.
Obviously this is different, but that's a more extreme idea to get the point out there.
If you feel like someone is working hard, or has worked hard... Donate a few dollars to them to give them something for their time. I really don't like the idea of bounties because it then puts pressure on people to keep going and ignore other things, as only one person will get the big bounty (if people actually even pay what they said they would).
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fair enough, you got me lol down with this fund
Of course I'm not opposed to giving some loot to those that deserve it though. I need to talk to the wife to decide how much I can give up to Haus (and probably others, he isn't the only one I've taken notice of) for his work. I'm sure we'll get root soon, so I'm not worried about forking over some money now to let him know I appreciate the hard work.
I'm pretty sure we didn't need a bounty for this phone to get rooted.
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I'm pretty sure we didn't need a bounty for this phone to get rooted.
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Nope, just the encryption key or for HTC to get on it.
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No, I'm not happy to see you, that's a Shooter in my pocket.
Yea, I got a 3D
Who is the culprit here? Someone must have said something. Man up and apologize to him immediately. He's one of the best themers/ modders on this site and it will be so sad without him. Please everyone, show your support for this great guy who has been making mods for us since day one. Show some damn appreciation and thank him. Send a donation if you can.
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im not sure what his deal is? i haven't seen anybody post anything but thanks to him for his work. the last thing this community needs is to loose talented devs. maybe this has something to do with lack of donations perhaps?
Who is Mike D??
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Who is Mike D??
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check the theme section.
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Who is Mike D??
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Only one of the best modders this site had. Aside from good ole andybones too of course. It's a sad shame that Mike won't be modding for us. A damn shame
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my theory is that it's not an individual or a few but the community. everyone was ranting and raving and showing impatience for his upcoming themes. when the time came to release he was underwhelmed from the thanks/donations afterwards. I could be wrong but that's my guess
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my theory is that it's not an individual or a few but the community. everyone was ranting and raving and showing impatience for his upcoming themes. when the time came to release he was underwhelmed from the thanks/donations afterwards. I could be wrong but that's my guess
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id agree with this but there's nothing wrong about people being anxious to get his new theme either.
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id agree with this but there's nothing wrong about people being anxious to get his new theme either.
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I agree but it must have been the end results. just hope it's not about appreciation. he already started to purge files and links. that's a possible bad sign to encourage others to look elsewhere. sure hope not because the rez is a great device
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I agree but it must have been the end results. just hope it's not about appreciation. he already started to purge files and links. that's a possible bad sign to encourage others to look elsewhere. sure hope not because the rez is a great device
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as ive said we didn't need to loose any devs. xda is still pretty busy for the rezound. look at rootzwiki, no one posts there.
Well that sucks.
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I think he specifically said in his mods thread that it had nothing to do with lack of thanks/appreciation.
Mike D's themes were legit. Seeing what he was able to do has pushed me into learning how to theme roms
IM sure he will be back one day...
He is just working more hours... If he got more donations for his work I am sure he could cut back on his hours.
But no one ever donates to the guy!
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IM sure he will be back one day...
He is just working more hours... If he got more donations for his work I am sure he could cut back on his hours.
But no one ever donates to the guy!
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Well donations are optional plus times are tough. I know ive thanked the guy plenty. Hope he comes back one day.
perhaps I'll start doing small things in his place. I'm not good enough to do total themes but I can certainly decompile/recompile,edit png colors and switch font color hex codes in the xmls
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Well donations are optional plus times are tough. I know ive thanked the guy plenty. Hope he comes back one day.
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Sure, they are optional, but people start getting demanding and the money helps put up with the idiots. I think the enjoyment starts to go away.
I always donate to those whose work I consistently use. But then I also buy apps.
There's a reason why devs want to dev for iphone even though there are more android phones out there. Android users tend to be cheapskates who would rather steal an app than pay for it.
cant blame the community . this one is the same as others. i know someone who was working on bamf rezound in the beginning said hed stop cause of the "community" and he did . we're not THAT bad, but quitting cause of that is kinda lame- though i do understand in away .
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Sure, they are optional, but people start getting demanding and the money helps put up with the idiots. I think the enjoyment starts to go away.
I always donate to those whose work I consistently use.
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Yes you do, thank you!
And yes the second part of that statement tends to be true. Users forget that Dev's are people with real lives and real responsibilities and that Android Dev'ing, for the most, of us is just a hobby like collecting Stamps or baseball cards. They seem to think that because we make cool things we are some giant company with the resources of many when in fact we are only one person trying to bring some fun to your device. But anyways.. You know that already and I am grateful for your support!
I don't know about the iPhone thing though. I couldn't deal with it if I had to. I love Android. Never really liked Apple. Hahaha
-Scott
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Yes you do, thank you!
And yes the second part of that statement tends to be true. Users forget that Dev's are people with real lives and real responsibilities and that Android Dev'ing, for the most, of us is just a hobby like collecting Stamps or baseball cards. They seem to think that because we make cool things we are some giant company with the resources of many when in fact we are only one person trying to bring some fun to your device. But anyways.. You know that already and I am grateful for your support!
I don't know about the iPhone thing though. I couldn't deal with it if I had to. I love Android. Never really liked Apple. Hahaha
-Scott
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honestly, I would still be on wp7 if verizon had one with lte and a bigger screen. Really enjoyed my hd7. Spent more time using my phone. Tinkering with it is fun, but didn't miss it jumping from winmo to wp7. Used to build my own roms back then, but haven't had the time to really dive into what makes android tick.
Ok I'll fess up. It was silverxbv2 who did it.
Hahaha
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I've seen these in other parts of the community...
Given the recent events, I believe the creed going forward should be "show some love".
While I don't feel it's limited to just devs, as members make XDA go in circles also, I do think the devs here need to know they're loved.
That said, I'd like to start by saying thanks to JoelZ, DMeadows, Scott, Con and a non-dev, dev, Marine.
I'm sure I'm forgetting someone but these are the guys that come to mind first...
I have made it a point in my XDA history not to post unless it's necessary or I'm trying to be informative. I generally stay on-topic etc so count this as an exception, lol.
Anyways, guys, you've all been so helpful to me, on a personal level. I've pm'ed a couple of you on various things and you've always been quick and genuinely helpful in your responses and that is awesome.
It's because of you I will be hanging onto my rezound for awhile, as you've made a few months not having CM a little less painful with all of your hard work, friendliness and enthusiasm.
I encourage other users to post their feelings, remarks, comments to their favorite dev(s) and be let them hear how awesome-sauce they are.
Thanks again
Sincerely,
This Guy
To My Fellow Devs!
ATTENTION:
lllboredlll - Confirmation number: 26842307SM800591Y
newtoroot - Confirmation number: 3CX930251A7310703
scrosler - Confirmation number: 6D2900849M833534X
JoelZ9614 - Confirmation number: 4M802412FA196464C
con247 - Confirmation number: 1VF984498F355111E
NilsP - Confirmation number: 85H06658602955846
who_mike_d - Confirmation number: 6XS8202351620744L
chingy51o - Confirmation number: 8P54219799070904M
This is my personal thanks to all the Developers on here. Without you, we wouldn't have the great things we do now. I want you to be reminded that your hard work doesn't go unrecognized, and hopefully you can continue to deal with us, the people, and still provide us with awesome products. If you read this, hit thanks.
Edit: There are so many others who deserve thanks and appreciation. For example, andybones is one of them, who is always helping out those in need. Also, people like us, who like to help others as well, and keep our patience intact when times get tough.
Special Note: Protekk, I'm sorry for the ones who drove you away from the Rezound community. I didn't pay attention to any sort of progress you had going, but I'm sure it was great since you have done a lot as a developer. I doubt you'll ever read this, but if you did, just know a lot of members feel bad as to what happened. Leave your legacy, Protekk.
Don't forget Newt, his ril fix was impressive. Thanks to everyone that helps folks around here. We have a lot of folks new to Modding in this forum. Lets be patient and help one another so we can all get more from and enjoy our device.
One thing I notice is that a Dev will get 20 posts of people praising them for their work, clicking the thanks button, and then one person out of that 20 says something dumb or is unappreciative and that is the one that gets the attention, and the Dev getting irritated about it. I sucks that there are a few unappreciative people out there, but I think the Devs need to weigh that against the huge majority of appreciative and thankful people.
The devs here do great, amazing work and deserve all the thanks they get.
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One thing I notice is that a Dev will get 20 posts of people praising them for their work, clicking the thanks button, and then one person out of that 20 says something dumb or is unappreciative and that is the one that gets the attention, and the Dev getting irritated about it. I sucks that there are a few unappreciative people out there, but I think the Devs need to weigh that against the huge majority of appreciative and thankful people.
The devs here do great, amazing work and deserve all the thanks they get.
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This, exactly.
It's not the community that's bad, it's one or two individuals.
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ATTENTION:
lllboredlll
newtoroot
scrosler
JoelZ9614
con247
NilsP
who_mike_d
chingy51o
This is my personal thanks to all the Developers on here. Without you, we wouldn't have the great things we do now. I want you to be reminded that your hard work doesn't go unrecognized, and hopefully you can continue to deal with us, the people, and still provide us with awesome products. If you read this, hit thanks.
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All of these guys are absolutely amazing at what they do. Thanks for the hard work. I appreciate all you guys do to make my phone better.
dont forget about the lurkers like myself. I don't say much, but i always hit thanks on a helpful post or anything i D/L. I don't say very much at all but I would like to thank all of the people out there who make this phone way awesomer than it already is. I'm not gonna drop names, but if youve contributed even in a small way, THANKS! (yes i just used the word awesomer)
I just wanted to bump this to the top so it is easily seen. I have modded multiple devices, and can say that the rezound has been the one with the longest learning curve. Our forum is junked up because we, as a community, have allowed it to happen. Instead of one newb learning, and posting a definitive guide on how to do some of the stuff, or a simple walk thru explanation, we have twice the threads. Before anyone jumps on me to do it, or that is why we need to search, XDA search sucks. I don't know enough to do this. I am still confused about the multiple hboots, and would want someone who knows their stuff, so would you. If you look at our stickies, they are all old. I have been on forums where all of the important info is in the top 2 stickies. Hell, Fattire helped the nook color forum learn how to build cm9 from source. (should check it out, that thread is amazing)So Veterans attacking newbs has got to stop. Newbs attacking Vets, and Dev's has got to stop. Attacking Marcus has got to stop. If we tried helping people instead of wasting all of our time holding them down, we would evolve as a community. I am not harassing, or blaming anyone. Thank you to all of those that blaze the trail ahead of us. Thank you to Nils, Joel,Bored, Newt, DMeadows, Protekk, paulie vicious, Con, and everybody else that has contributed to the Rezound. I may post here again to bump it up because this is one of the most important threads in general.
Edit: also want to thank all of the kernel developers, themers, and newbs.
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One thing I notice is that a Dev will get 20 posts of people praising them for their work, clicking the thanks button, and then one person out of that 20 says something dumb or is unappreciative and that is the one that gets the attention, and the Dev getting irritated about it. I sucks that there are a few unappreciative people out there, but I think the Devs need to weigh that against the huge majority of appreciative and thankful people.
The devs here do great, amazing work and deserve all the thanks they get.
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Cosign
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Thirded.
Andybones!!!!
Just saw your post in the other thread... that sucks, please don't be a stranger, you helped me a lot too... one of 2 XDA people I've ever bothered to Gtalk with, thanks for all you've done sir
Another bump. I have mostly been quiet unless I thought my contributions could help. I think the devs generally get the thanks they deserve, but not always.
Thanks, Scott, Con, antp, graymonkey44, NilsP, Newt, and SO many more. Don't let the negative get to you. There are SO many people here who never post a word who appreciate your work.
And to those of you who take it as your personal responsibility to jump on or flame noobs or anyone, just chill, ok?
I believe we can all be civil to one another and still have fun and teach/learn.
Thanks again to everyone who puts their time in and makes this a better place.
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I'm a big fan of many of the Devs here. Some I met in the Incredible forums. All of them are brilliant at what they do. Joel, Newt, bored, Nils, you guys are my personal favorites.
Some devs here are more humble and down-to-earth than others. Some are total head cases! LOL!
Nils is a prime example of a Dev who does amazing work, but doesn't make a spectacle of himself by obnoxiously tooting his own horn. But you can tell by his legion of loyal ROM flashers that his work is top shelf. He is very patient, helpful, and probably the best of the bunch when it comes to troubleshooting and technical support. Obviously, I'm a big fan. He's a class act.
Some folks here can't resist telling us over and over about how great they are, and it can get a little tedious. If your work is good, your 'thanks' meter, positive feedback, and donation balance should reflect that and be ego boost enough. Let the masses tell you how good you are. It'll carry more weight.
If we all tried a little harder to keep it classy and respect each other, this place might attract devs instead of running them off.
Thanks,
BBEgo
A whole lotta thanks son!
I do appreciate all of the Devs for putting real life things on hold to provide us those dope roms on their own time and dime. Words cannot express how grateful we should all be that these guys/gals put up a lot of their time and knowledge for us.
The least we can do is give a "Thanks" and search the Dev thread BEFORE you ask a question because 9/10 it has already been address/answered. Do not make your first post in a thread "When's the next update" or "Can you fix this" or "Why doesn't this work". If we were to do the simple things like that the Devs would be much happier.
Lastly, I would also like to point out there are many of us users who also spend quite a bit of time on this forum to help other users with the bit of knowledge they have. I think those guys/gals also deserve a shout out as well because they also do help make things a slight bit easier for the real deal Developers.
Just sayin
Favor
When I was young, when someone did something for you that they didn't HAVE to do, that was called a "favor". And the one lesson that I learned early in life is that you don't question a favor - you accept it. You say thank you. And just because you got one favor, don't assume you are going to get another one. You aren't "entitled" to anything as the result of a favor, nor does the person that did the favor HAVE to keep doing favors for you. He or she deserves your gratitude, if not a good deal more.
As far as I'm concerned these Devs, Themers, Contributors, Helpers, etc., are doing us, the Users, Flashers, Lurkers, etc., a FAVOR. Accept the favor, thank the person doing the favor, but don't question the favor.
Just sayin'......
Don't mean to be that guy but why didn't you include protekk.I appreciate his efforts and his willingness to come and help.I love all the devs and commitment just don't think we should leave out protekk
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Thanks to all of Developers and Themers here. Your work makes this stuff fun!
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Don't mean to be that guy but why didn't you include protekk.I appreciate his efforts and his willingness to come and help.I love all the devs and commitment just don't think we should leave out protekk
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you should explore other threads. the thought of a particular dev being aactive is up in the air right now
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you should explore other threads. the thought of a particular dev being aactive is up in the air right now
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i have read i just feel like he should not go unnoticed. to each is own. either way i think we all can agree we love each dev for the rezound
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i have read i just feel like he should not go unnoticed. to each is own. either way i think we all can agree we love each dev for the rezound
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I agree, although people may take it as a negative. We should stay positive for Protekk and hope maybe he really will give us the RIL.
I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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no hard feelings bro. id feel pretty pissed too if i donated money and it didnt lead to anything. this community, is broken right now. we have about three devs for cdma and 1 gsm left. i want to stay but it seems i cant! im pretty sure im leaving to get a GSM gnex and go to tmobile. its just better for me right now. believe me, THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!! if anyone gets offended, they are p*ssies
I started to think of the fact that the money I donated would have bought me almost a third of a One X at full retail price but developers do release ROMs before getting donations so I'm trying to see it as contribution done in the past, not in the future.
hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
hang in there, the source/ update drought cant last forever. If you can make it through the wait, it's inevitable that the combination of the hardware + the price of this phone will bring talent. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those folks you mention above make their way back here again. Being stuck on 2 year old software isn't really exciting for many devs, but it's where we're at for the time being.
Nice to see that you have a new outlook dude
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I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
I thank you all make good points and I feel the same way also and I'm so tired of all the childish stuff that just keeps going on iv been with most these dev's sense(pun intened) the inc and they all are very talented but really don't blame them for leaving whether it be personal or not.on that note thank you to all the modders themers and devs and anyone that's a helper and not a troll
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I don't blame people for wanting to go develop for a newer hardware platform, I would do the same and if I could afford it right now, I would buy a GNEX and let Google feed be with updates.
We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
I don't see the rage about the new S3, or Nexus (plus thought nexus was blocked for US sales??). I'm really enjoying the Resound and am having Zero issues at the moment with it. It would be nice to get some of the new updates rolling quicker with the phone, but the amount of work developers have put into the current roms is amazing. They are all very talented people, and there's no possible way to thank them enough for all they've done. I just do really hope some end up trailing back in our direction and bring/breathe more life into this phone..... Particularly Jellybean.
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hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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Let's see VZW/HTC stated this phone officially would have ICS Q1, it is now Q3 and they have yet to deliver. This phone has already passed it's shelf life so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't see the official ICS/source for another month, or two, or three. It sucks but you just gotta face it, this phone is dead. Great phone with a lot of potential, troll community destroys any hope of AOSP or the improvement of current roms.
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
Nic2112 said:
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
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This.
Completely.
rsage said:
I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
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Maybe some people need to change their expectations.
I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
Nilsp's ROMs are just about the only ones I've used since I got my Rezound. I appreciate the consistent quality, that he'll answer a question almost anytime of the day or night without snark, and that his ROMs are in a constant state of improvement. I've bought him at least one beer if not two, and if he can get Sense 4 to run properly, I'll buy him a case.
BTW...Nilsp had to be coaxed into accepting donations. Like many of the devs, his satisfaction seems to come in beating the challenges and the simple thanks the users of his product give him. The rest...beer money.
I think another problem with this community is the sense that Verizon has practically orphaned this phone right out of the gate. It was supposed to be a top of the line phone...by technical standards, it's still one of their best phones eight months out of the gate, which is saying something...but they never promoted it, and the dragging of their feet with the ICS update is simply maddening, given that they implied it would be one of the first to get it.
I like this phone. I'm pretty much stuck with it for another year anyway, but I can't see the advantage to jumping at quad cores, especially since few apps can truly take advantage of the extra cores anyhow.
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I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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Nobody bought me a phone. I'm not buying someone else one.
I prefer developers who plan to use their phone and their ROMs as daily drivers...because that's how I use my phone. If I'm helping a dev buy a phone, he's only in it for the challenge. Once he thinks he's met that challenge, he's off looking for a new one...while I've still got a year or more to go on my contract. And all of that presumes we're talking about an ethical developer...one that's not using his buddy's phone to do the work and pocketing the donations. ---NOTE---that is not an accusation pointed at anyone, just a hypothetical.
I'm not the government. I don't pay for future development....because more times than not, it doesn't work out to be much of a bargain for the taxpayer.
GrayTheWolf said:
We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
BBEgo said:
Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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yeah, nils is the man. made some badass roms on the Inc, and continues to do so on the rezound.
As some of you may or may not know, Newtoroot is going through some personal issues at this time. I think it would be a great idea if we all came together and threw him some money. I just put a $600 deposit on an apartment with me and my girlfriend, but I'll still try to throw him $5 or so...
It has come to my attention that there is a donate button on the bottom of his signature. I'm sure he would appreciate anything, and if you can't donate, at least give him some kind words.
XDA is a Community, and together we can keep it great. The DNA would be far less enjoyable without his work and hours of work for free to bring us the best software on this device...
Thanks everyone!
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As some of you may or may not know, Newtoroot is going through some personal issues at this time. I think it would be a great idea if we all came together and threw him some money. I just put a $600 deposit on an apartment with me and my girlfriend, but I'll still try to throw him $5 or so...
It has come to my attention that there is a donate button on the bottom of his signature. I'm sure he would appreciate anything, and if you can't donate, at least give him some kind words.
XDA is a Community, and together we can keep it great. The DNA would be far less enjoyable without his work and hours of work for free to bring us the best software on this device...
Thanks everyone!
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He hasn't been around much cuz, i know being unemployed, it's hard to choose what bills to pay and last month he really had some hard personal times. I know he don't want me posting his business on here but man. Newt I pray for you and I hope you will get a job offer or win the lottery *that was a joke the second part*. I know you need to take care of your wife n kid so dont spend too much time on XDA (even though we love you and our updates). I'll send some $$ next time i get paid for you bro. Keep yo head up
thanks for the thread
any little bit counts, just donated. his rom is amazing on my DNA.
Donated $25 2435-3634-0227-7936
Kush, thanks for letting us know about this. We're a community and we try to help out each other.
I donated $50. Good luck NEWT!!!
I'd like to know what field he's in. I have a number of connections around the country and depending on the field I may be able to find something. Especially if he knows firewalls or other network security. Or lives in Omaha or Pittsburgh.
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afazel said:
I'd like to know what field he's in. I have a number of connections around the country and depending on the field I may be able to find something. Especially if he knows firewalls or other network security. Or lives in Omaha or Pittsburgh.
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You would have to contact him directly via PM or E-Mail
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Thanks for all you do newt!
Thanks everyone, I'm sure every bit helps. Newt, I hope you're doing okay and we are all here for you
Best wishes Newt. YG$
Man, he's been on the struggle for a while. I've donated to him several times previously but unfortunately I just don't have it to give right now. I'll certainly send all the positive vibes I can his way though.
I'm in for $10 confirmation 81T02030233966921
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Just did my second donation to him. Best wishes, Newt.