So my ****hole of a country just announced we're getting the Samsung Galaxy S2 with the Trega 2 processors at 1.0 Ghz, but at least it's with the SAMOLED+.
It's the i9103 I'm guessing?
So are there any test or benchmarks of this version of the Galaxy S2 anywhere?
All of civilized civilization got the Exynos and obviously it a very good CPU. So all of the reviews out there are indeed of the 1.2 Ghz Exynos model.
So I can't really find a benchmark on the Terga 2 version.
Does anyone know of any tests?
UPDATE
In the end it turns out that this was just a press release mixup and Croatia is indeed getting the exynos version!
I feel you man But we'll be in the same boat when the NFC i9100 comes along...
I'd sure like to believe that... but considering that literally no one in Croatia uses NFC I doubt we'll get it at all.
It sucks. I guess that I will buy my device in Slovenija. Guess they will have exynos version?
One of my friends say:"My country-little banana"
Not a ****hole, it's a really nice country
Anyway, you can always import one from other countries, I imported mine from UK. Of course guarantee might be a problematic issue if anything goes wrong, but oh well...
I wouldn't be that concerned if I were you
Mew178 said:
So my ****hole of a country just announced we're getting the Samsung Galaxy S2 with the Trega 2 processors at 1.0 Ghz, but at least it's with the SAMOLED+.
It's the i9103 I'm guessing?
So are there any test or benchmarks of this version of the Galaxy S2 anywhere?
All of civilized civilization got the Exynos and obviously it a very good CPU. So all of the reviews out there are indeed of the 1.2 Ghz Exynos model.
So I can't really find a benchmark on the Terga 2 version.
Does anyone know of any tests?
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At least you won't have problems with playing 3D games.
valdigre said:
Not a ****hole, it's a really nice country
Anyway, you can always import one from other countries, I imported mine from UK. Of course guarantee might be a problematic issue if anything goes wrong, but oh well...
I wouldn't be that concerned if I were you
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hrcro said:
It sucks. I guess that I will buy my device in Slovenija. Guess they will have exynos version?
One of my friends say:"My country-little banana"
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Yeah problem is I don't really have 600€ or more to spend on the device I'd only get it on T-mobile because I have tons of points and I waited 6 months to renew the contract. So It would be more along the lines of 100~200€ with the contracts and stuff...
Also I live in Osijek and thats really far away from Austria, Italy or Slovenia...
It wouldn't bother me if the UK version was the Tegra 2, previously had a Optimus x2 with tegra 2 and it was nice and fast, wouldn't have concerned me either way but maybe look at some Optimus X2 benchies to give you an idea.
Before I sold the 2x to get this phone I had it clocked up to 1.4 gig without any issues but I can't for the life of me remember the quadrant score I got on it
It will probably be faster clock for clock....
valdigre said:
Not a ****hole, it's a really nice country
Anyway, you can always import one from other countries, I imported mine from UK. Of course guarantee might be a problematic issue if anything goes wrong, but oh well...
I wouldn't be that concerned if I were you
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Warranty means a lot these days...
As always, we in Croatia get crumbs...sad, real sad
At least with the Tegra 2, it will play all the new 3D HD-version games being released in the market whereas the Exynos version needs to wait for someone to hack the apk.
lol at OPs reference to his country
Anyway I had an atrix which I canned for an SGS2. I realize its not comparing apples to apples but the samsung feels a lot snappier / faster / smoother. I have the sammy powered with the exynos.
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It wouldn't bother me if the UK version was the Tegra 2, previously had a Optimus x2 with tegra 2 and it was nice and fast, wouldn't have concerned me either way but maybe look at some Optimus X2 benchies to give you an idea.
Before I sold the 2x to get this phone I had it clocked up to 1.4 gig without any issues but I can't for the life of me remember the quadrant score I got on it
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May I ask why you sold it to get the S2?
I think we can run the tegra games with the chainfire driver now cant we so that may no longer be an issue?
I also think that Exynos will start picking up support in some games anyway if it sells well enough.
I feel for you tegra lot
Performance Tests
You Can test it self download Quadrant standart from the android market
Exynos got = 3453 for me
Tegra got = ?
Just look at the tegra flash performance in web browsing. Exynos can take 1080 in web page. Can tegra do that?
We can tell: well it is not so bad, and lie to ourselves.
Do you think that all of the europe got exynos because it is worse? Do you think that they want so succeed more in Germany, France, UK or in Croatia? I think that they give best products to more "important", demanding, markets.
Seriously, the Tegra is not that far behind the Exynos, so as long as you get the SAmoled + screen and the full 1Gb Ram (which are the main differences with the optimus) you'll be fine.
If you see the benchmarks, the Tegra and the Exynos (optimus 2x vs SGS2) are pretty similar in performance, and both can be OCed if you need more power. The main difference in the benchmarks so far was the software (bloatware), and in your case, it'll be the same, no problems there. Simply wait for a good custom rom and enjoy!
Furthermore, you'll have better compatibility with games without hacks (God bless Chainfire!) and better texture support, so you'll be even better in some areas.
I would go ahead and grab the Tegra version. It may respond 0.025 seconds more slowly when browsing, but most of the phone functions will work just the same, you'll be able to play games of the Tegra zone without any glitch, and you'll get the phone at a much lower price and still have the warranty in case anything goes wrong!
edit: and just in case, to give some numbers:
h t t p : // w w w .inspiredgeek.com/2011/03/13/samsung-galaxy-sii-s2-exynos-4210-vs-tegra-2-which-version-will-be-better/
We all know that benchmarks don't really mean anything, the important thing is the response of the phone once you have it in your hands, but I don't think it'll be a bad phone for having Tegra, in any case.
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I do not realy know when I needed my warranty last time - I belive it was with the Motorolo T920 or whatever was it (one of the first "colourfull" phones mamy years ago...).
I'w got my SGSII just yesterday and my first impression is - my SGS has better contrast then the SGSII...
hrcro said:
Just look at the tegra flash performance in web browsing. Exynos can take 1080 in web page. Can tegra do that?
We can tell: well it is not so bad, and lie to ourselves.
Do you think that all of the europe got exynos because it is worse? Do you think that they want so succeed more in Germany, France, UK or in Croatia? I think that they give best products to more "important", demanding, markets.
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It's not like I'm not used to it, its always been like that, we're just a second rate country.
I mean look at game prices here, hell even hardware prices like consoles at stuff.
300$ for a PS3 in America, 600$ for a PS3 in Croatia.
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Seriously, the Tegra is not that far behind the Exynos, so as long as you get the SAmoled + screen and the full 1Gb Ram (which are the main differences with the optimus) you'll be fine.
If you see the benchmarks, the Tegra and the Exynos (optimus 2x vs SGS2) are pretty similar in performance, and both can be OCed if you need more power. The main difference in the benchmarks so far was the software (bloatware), and in your case, it'll be the same, no problems there. Simply wait for a good custom rom and enjoy!
Furthermore, you'll have better compatibility with games without hacks (God bless Chainfire!) and better texture support, so you'll be even better in some areas.
I would go ahead and grab the Tegra version. It may respond 0.025 seconds more slowly when browsing, but most of the phone functions will work just the same, you'll be able to play games of the Tegra zone without any glitch, and you'll get the phone at a much lower price and still have the warranty in case anything goes wrong!
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Well actually you see I'll get the phone at an inflated Croatian price thats higher then most EU prices, Exynos prices. You see Tegra isn't a lower cost alternative to Samsung but not the the countries it's being sold to, here it costs just as much as a Exynos one.
But I can't just buy/import a 600€ I don't have that money for god sakes thats the average monthly pay here, so the only way I can get it is via contract.
And via contract it will cost 100~200€ with all kinds of benifits that I have while in the UK you get a Samsung Galaxy S2 with Exynos for 0 pounds with a 35 pound monthly contract.
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Made this thread, so people could decide whether or not to buy the Skyrocket without people trying to push their opinions on people.
Facts:
- 800x480 pixels*
- Super AMOLED Plus*
- 4.5 inch display*
- Approximately 4.66 oz.*
- 5.15 inches x 2.75 inches x 0.37 inches*
- 1.5 GHz dual-core processor (UNKNOWN WHICH---Do not listen to anyone claiming to know which one) *
- ??? amount of RAM, may be 1.3gb or 1024mb
- 4x Digital*
- 8-megapixel rear-facing camera with LED flash
-*2-megapixel front-facing camera
-*These specs are from Samsung's webpage, not recommended to trust other websites, as they have as little info as we do.
Unconfirmed:
- Snapdragon Chipset
- Exynos Chipset
Will update as soon as new info is available.
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(UNKNOWN WHICH---Do not listen to anyone claiming to know which one)
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I'll bet you the cost of your phone that it's Qualcomm. There is no 1.5Ghz Exynos - it's either 1.2Ghz or 1.4Ghz. The same thing happened with TSGS2 when they didn't initially announce which chipset it had. In all cases, when a phone's been Exynos, they've said so in advance. But, as you've said, don't listen to me.
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I'll bet you the cost of your phone that it's Qualcomm. There is no 1.5Ghz Exynos - it's either 1.2Ghz or 1.4Ghz. The same thing happened with TSGS2 when they didn't initially announce which chipset it had. In all cases, when a phone's been Exynos, they've said so in advance. But, as you've said, don't listen to me.
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You know that there's a possibility that it is neither? Yeah there's a high possibility that's a snappy, but till' they announce it, all we're doing is speculating.
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Honestly, what do you guys do with these phones that you NEED the BEST cpu speed and ram out there? Pr0n doesn't require much more than flash support. lol
Chances are they are using the same device as the Rogers LTE version which is the Galaxy S II LTE which is already out in Korean, that device is using a Qualcomm 1.5 DualCore Snapdragon just like the T-Mobile GSII The specs alone speak the world about it already.
Considering Samsung won't make multiple LTE versions you can rely in the specs that are already out there for the Samsung Galaxy S II LTE or the HD version of that one. In the end you have to look at what mobile processors are out there with that chipset speed. Considering the Eyxnos doesn't have a 1.5 Ghz variant the Qualcomm is a safe bet.
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Made this thread, so people could decide whether or not to buy the Skyrocket without people trying to push their opinions on people.
Facts:
- 800x480 pixels*
- Super AMOLED Plus*
- 4.5 inch display*
- Approximately 4.66 oz.*
- 5.15 inches x 2.75 inches x 0.37 inches*
- 1.5 GHz dual-core processor (UNKNOWN WHICH---Do not listen to anyone claiming to know which one) *
- ??? amount of RAM, may be 1.3gb or 1024mb
- 4x Digital*
- 8-megapixel rear-facing camera with LED flash
-*2-megapixel front-facing camera
-*These specs are from Samsung's webpage, not recommended to trust other websites, as they have as little info as we do.
Unconfirmed:
- Snapdragon Chipset
- Exynos Chipset
Will update as soon as new info is available.
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Except if you look at the Specs for the already out LTE versions it states those use a Qualcomm Chipset. They aren't going to change it up that much, you re-purpose what you have, don't create a whole new device just for one carrier.
If 99% of the specs match up to an already in production device, chances are the other 1% match up as well.
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You know that there's a possibility that it is neither? Yeah there's a high possibility that's a snappy, but till' they announce it, all we're doing is speculating.
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I'll bet you the cost of your phone that it's Qualcomm. There is no 1.5Ghz Exynos - it's either 1.2Ghz or 1.4Ghz. The same thing happened with TSGS2 when they didn't initially announce which chipset it had. In all cases, when a phone's been Exynos, they've said so in advance. But, as you've said, don't listen to me.
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There is an Exynos 1.5ghz. The Exynos 4212. Announced 2 months ago...climb back under your rock.
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Stevenrogers_420 said:
There is an Exynos 1.5ghz. The Exynos 4212. Announced 2 months ago...climb back under your rock.
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You are right, there was one announced, but it's too late for the LTE version of the GSII. Remember just because a device/processor is announced doesn't mean it's being put into production right away. Think about this, the 1.5 was announced on October 1st. AT&T wouldn't be pushing out a device with an untested processor right away. They need to test a device for MONTHS before doing that. Factor in the timeframe from announcement to putting into production, then you may have a month timeframe, not enough time for AT&T to test a device to their standards. The Exynos will NOT be in this device.
Samsung isn't going to make a custom GSII LTE just for AT&T they will use what they already have. All the specs match up to the current GSII LTE including processor speed, by that reasoning the device will be the same specs as such.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/01/samsung-releases-1-5ghz-exynos-processor-and-16mp-cmos-for-mobil/
Samsung's just announced the newest and fastest version of its Exynos mobile processor. The 4212 is a dual-core ARM Cortex A9 clocked to 1.5GHz, built using a 32mn process that makes it 30 percent more efficient and 25 percent faster than the 4210. Last year's model was capable of many impressive feats, but its 3D abilities were hampered by the limits imposed by its HDMI 1.3 controller. The new boy gets version 1.4 and hence the freedom to run stereoscopic imagery at an impressive 70fps. The chips will be available in Q4 of this year, but only to "select customers" who -- we guess -- look after Mr and Mrs. Samsung's cats over the holidays. The chip comes too late for the Galaxy S II LTE but we can expect to see it in future superphones before too long.
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BarryH_GEG said:
I'll bet you the cost of your phone that it's Qualcomm. There is no 1.5Ghz Exynos - it's either 1.2Ghz or 1.4Ghz. The same thing happened with TSGS2 when they didn't initially announce which chipset it had. In all cases, when a phone's been Exynos, they've said so in advance. But, as you've said, don't listen to me.
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I would like in on this bet too? My SGS2 against your qualcomm SGS2? I would like your phone so let me know. I can sell it to some other sucker and buy another OG SGS2. So let me know soon. Thanks
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RockRatt said:
I would like in on this bet too? My SGS2 against your qualcomm SGS2? I would like your phone so let me know. I can sell it to some other sucker and buy another OG SGS2. So let me know soon. Thanks
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I'll be glad to take yours off your hands if you think there is going to be a 1.5 Exynos in the phone. No worries I will be gentle with your phone.
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...climb back under your rock.
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Then take my bet...
You're all boobs. Lol.
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"select customers" - do you HONESTLY think that AT&T, the launch partner for Samsung's biggest competitor, and a carrier that has shown CLEAR favoritism towards Apple for the past few years, is considered a "select customer" by Samsung?
Hell, we're lucky we didn't get the crippled Tegra2 variant of the non-LTE GSII that was reserved for "third world" markets. Seriously - there was a LOT of worry that the I777 would have a Tegra2.
The AT&T website....which I looked at while ""IN" the store showed a 1.3 gb of ram.... the manager, and another good friend (that works in the store) had quoted it is the exynos chipset....I hope so...that would be the selling point for me
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The AT&T website....which I looked at while ""IN" the store showed a 1.3 gb of ram.... the manager, and another good friend (that works in the store) had quoted it is the exynos chipset....I hope so...that would be the selling point for me
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Hopefully
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vuoflfan said:
The AT&T website....which I looked at while ""IN" the store showed a 1.3 gb of ram.... the manager, and another good friend (that works in the store) had quoted it is the exynos chipset....I hope so...that would be the selling point for me
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As an ex AT&T Employee, I can say that reps in the store know jack ****.
Also the only reference on att.com to the Skyrocket is in the press release that shows ANYTHING specwise. Not sure what site you looked at but that's about all that has been released specwise, which matches up with Samsungs Galaxy S II LTE version which is already released in Korea WITH the Qualcomm Chipset
Samsung Galaxy S™ II Skyrocket™
Lightning fast reflexes powered by a 1.5 GHz dual core processor and AT&T 4G LTE speeds make the Galaxy S II Skyrocket faster for Web browsing and all your favorite apps. A SuperAMOLED Plus display spanning 4.5-inches is the brightest, most colorful screen on the market.
4.5-inch SuperAMOLED Plus display(800x480 pixels)
Android Gingerbread (2.3.5)
1.5 GHz dual-core processor
8-megapixel rear-facing camera with LED flash, with 2-megapixel front-facing camera
1080p HD video recording
16 GB of on-board memory, microSD expandable to an additional 32 GB
The Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket will arrive in AT&T company-owned retail stores and online Nov. 6 for $249.99 with a two-year commitment. Customers can learn more at www.att.com/speed.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Then take my bet...
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I'll be the middle man.
Anyway, is anyone contemplating between HTC Vivid or Skyrocket? Really cant decide right now.
Entropy512 said:
"select customers" - do you HONESTLY think that AT&T, the launch partner for Samsung's biggest competitor, and a carrier that has shown CLEAR favoritism towards Apple for the past few years, is considered a "select customer" by Samsung?
Hell, we're lucky we didn't get the crippled Tegra2 variant of the non-LTE GSII that was reserved for "third world" markets. Seriously - there was a LOT of worry that the I777 would have a Tegra2.
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Not even just that, I totally didn't read the full quote. The quote states the chipset won't be produced to Q4. Says it all. No 1.5 Exynos
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I'll be glad to take yours off your hands if you think there is going to be a 1.5 Exynos in the phone. No worries I will be gentle with your phone.
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Wait that was my bet!!! My att SGS2 with the exerynos chip against the person who THINKS it will be the 1.5Ghz exerynos... it wont be and can't be... it is gonna be the same as the OTHER qualcomm Ltd phones out there already.
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You guys interpreted what you read wrong, misleading information to others. Samsung announced their 1.5 exynos chip last month, that's all they did "ANNOUNCE". Where in the press release did they say its not ready or they still working at it? For all we know it could be on any of the upcoming phone including the skyrocket? Do you guys work for Samsung? Just because they Announce it last month that does not mean it has not been in production for months or in testing again for months. Who knows? again only "Samsung'' That been said I highly doubt is the exynos chip inside the skyrocket. As of yet it has not been confirm. I hope it is though
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Dxtra said:
You guys interpreted what you read wrong, misleading information to others. Samsung announced their 1.5 exynos chip last month, that's all they did "ANNOUNCE". Where in the press release did they say its not ready or they still working at it? For all we know it could be on any of the upcoming phone including the skyrocket? Do you guys work for Samsung? Just because they Announce it last month that does not mean it has not been in production for months or in testing again for months. Who knows? again only "Samsung'' That been said I highly doubt is the exynos chip inside the skyrocket. As of yet it has not been confirm. I hope it is though
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From the press release:
" Samsung’s new Exynos 4212 application processor will be sampling to select customers in Q4 2011. "
That means that selected customers (which ATT is probably not top tier) will get samples of the technology to start looking at in Q4. Even if ATT was lucky enough to get their hands on a sample on October 1st do you really think that they could have tested, customized, ordered and mass produced a brand new phone by Nov. 6th?
The same ATT that took over 6 months to bring the OG SGSII to market with very minor changes? The same ATT that still hasn't released Gingerbread for their version of the Galaxy S that has been available for over a year?
Don't have to work for Samsung for this one to add up.
Now is it impossible? NO. But winning the lottery and retiring tomorrow is not impossible either, but I am not holding my breath
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Hey guys, I've got kinda a two parter question..
The first is this, do you think the SGS2 will be able to keep up as a leading Android phone or at least pretty high end for another year or two? Also will development keep up for much longer? Or would it be more logical to wait for the SGS3 and go for that?
And, assuming it would stay active and strong, do you think the price would drop once the SGS3 comes out dramatically? As in is it worth getting it now or should I wait for the SGS3 one way or the other.
Thanks in advanced!
The hardware of the sgs II is pretty nice. As you can see, the xperia s and the new htc smartphones (one s, one x) got sgs II-hardware.
This means our lovely galaxy will stay at top of all for at least a few more month. Then the sgs III will be released.
Thanks to apples 4s, htc one s x and the xperia s the sgs II is nowhere near being outdated.
One more thing, 4.3 inch is the limit for me! I dont see why people would buy the sgs III with a 4.65 inch display.
thats true haha, the size is the thing that worries me... however the screen covers more of the front so im thinking the actual SIZE of the phone won`t be that much greater
I can get a rooted with ICS installed SGS2 for 400$... is that good you think?
the only thing pulling me to SGS3 is how much longer itll probably last than the SGS2 just being released over a year later... but price worries me of it too since people are guessing over 800 and thats too much for me :S
Also would be nice for continued dev support
Try and get it cheaper without root and ICS as you can apply both of those yourself with all the guides available here. I'm not sure what the selling price is for the gs2 is in $, so the price you quoted could be cheap as it is lol
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TeamKilo said:
Try and get it cheaper without root and ICS as you can apply both of those yourself with all the guides available here. I'm not sure what the selling price is for the gs2 is in $, so the price you quoted could be cheap as it is lol
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Yeah no they're all around 400$ give or take 25, all i would need is to make sure that the screen has NO scratches and that it works XD the root and ICS was just a bonus haha
I'm guessing it's probably best to get a phone that hasn't been flashed or altered. At least that way you'll know the original firmwares etc of the phone.
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I'm guessing it's probably best to get a phone that hasn't been flashed or altered. At least that way you'll know the original firmwares etc of the phone.
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That's a good point... less risky. My main thing is, is the SGS3 gonna be worth the 2 month+ wait and the extra like 300$+... waiting isn't a big deal, 300-400 dollars is XD
Pretty much in the same boat as you. My contract with Sprint will be up this Summer, so looking into a GS3 (or other quadcore handset). I've heard the GS3 may launch next month in England, though not sure about the rest of the world. I've read conflicting reports on whether there will be a unified global launch, so it's possible N. America will have to wait until Fall again.
Another thing to note is that while Tegra 3 is benchmarking better than all the dual core ARM processors out there, it performs really poorly compared to Apple's A5X chip. Given this, it's probably not a stretch that SG3's Exynos 3 will outperform it as well. There's also Snapdragon, though that isn't expected until Q4.
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Another thing to note is that while Tegra 3 is benchmarking better than all the dual core ARM processors out there, it performs really poorly compared to Apple's A5X chip. Given this, it's probably not a stretch that SG3's Exynos 3 will outperform it as well. There's also Snapdragon, though that isn't expected until Q4.
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That's probably because the iPad 3 has a quad core gpu. Plus you have to remember Tegra 3 was already late to the game. It was supposed to be out last summer but as usual Nvidia can never deliver anything on time!
Also no apps seem to be using more than 2 cores. Most are only utilizing 1.
The quad Exynos will only come close to the A5X gpu performance if they use at least a dual core Mali 600.
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One of the main reasons im considering the SGS3 is cause i think that android and apps are starting to become optimized for more than single core.
For me though the main selling point isn't actually the GPU, but rather the huge battery (anything over 2k is awesome!) and the tons of RAM, nice internal storage, SD card, and if this phone is any indication, probably good dev support I would get the HTC One S if it werent for the no SD card and pretty small battery :/
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Also no apps seem to be using more than 2 cores. Most are only utilizing 1.
The quad Exynos will only come close to the A5X gpu performance if they use at least a dual core Mali 600.
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Really? That's unfortunate. I thought ICS automated much of this, though I suppose it makes sense that each developer would need to add support from their end.
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I would get the HTC One S if it werent for the no SD card and pretty small battery :/
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I know. The Nexus Prime has that issue as well. I'd imagine flashing ROMs would be unnecessarily complicated, since they have one giant partition.
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I know. The Nexus Prime has that issue as well. I'd imagine flashing ROMs would be unnecessarily complicated, since they have one giant partition.
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I'm not so sure about that, i think it wouldn't cause too much trouble, but the thing is with 16 gb of internal memory, after ICS and sense and bloat, that'll leave probably less than 10gb of actually usable memory which is too little for me in the long run :/
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Really? That's unfortunate. I thought ICS automated much of this, though I suppose it makes sense that each developer would need to add support from their end.
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I believe it is up to the developer. Same as hardware acceleration.
Hell even Adobe Photoshop only used a single core all the way up to CS5.
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I would just go for the S2 as soon as the retailers in your area starts to sell them out cheap (to get rid of stock before launch of S3).
It's a great phone, still getting updates from Samsung - resulting in great mods from the XDA community.
And when the time comes that you'll be needing more power, just overclock it - extending the lifetime of it (for your use, NOT the phone itself).
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I would just go for the S2 as soon as the retailers in your area starts to sell them out cheap (to get rid of stock before launch of S3).
It's a great phone, still getting updates from Samsung - resulting in great mods from the XDA community.
And when the time comes that you'll be needing more power, just overclock it - extending the lifetime of it (for your use, NOT the phone itself).
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Yeah that was definitely one of things I was considering, IF the price drops by saaay.. 30%? Bring it from 600 to 400 new, I think I could go for that. But if the SGS3 is less than 800 its definitely in my radar
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This sounds very much like the deliberation I have when buying any new piece of tech, such as a laptop, always looking for the next new thing and wondering whether to wait or take the plunge now.
I would vote for an SGS2. It's a super phone with a massive modding community behind it to at least push it for another 1.5 to 2 years. I've had mine since July of last year and I'm only now seeing other phones catching up so you certainly would be behind the times with an SGS2.
I haven't really been keeping up with the new phones and the ones coming out, I had no intention of selling my amaze anytime soon.. but I found this page(http://www.digitaltrends.com/highlight/t-mobile/) and saw they are still listing our amaze - I thought for sure websites would have stopped pushing it.. then I saw that tmobile is now selling the amaze for free! Damn you tmo!
But I was wondering what people thought about other phones that are coming out? I did some light researching and the galaxy s3 euro version looks pretty nice, with the quad core - why the US versions they keep pulling that out, I have no idea.. but 2100mah battery (that can be accessed!) and external sd, the camera pics and video look good(but still not as good as ours) - overall it seems a good competitor.
But rather than do tons more research, I'm sure some people here have some phones they are salivating about, or perhaps pissed off(dual core S2 for the US, wtf?!) about.. and I figured I'd say hi here rather than just stalk the development forums like usual!
So what's good?
I'm keeping it simple, first quad core HTC phone T-Mobile gets will be mine! Keeping my amaze until then
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For all phone goodies I check gsmarena.com
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Im going to wait for the Samsung note 2 with hopes that it will be sold in T-Mobile and quad-core.
fuego77 said:
I'm keeping it simple, first quad core HTC phone T-Mobile gets will be mine! Keeping my amaze until then
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that is about how I feel, but I'm not a true htc cannot yet.. so I won't discriminate yet. My old vibrant was okay, but I felt the quality was low enough I'd be hesitant to go with Samsung again..
Everyone else is fair game, if another manufacturer makes a quality quad core, that is when I'd consider a jump from the amaze.. but I haven't been doing a lot of research into what is coming out till now.
And can ANYONE explain why these manufacturers thing quad core is good over seas, but dual core is what WE want? Or do they think we'll just buy it if they just sell it!?
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And can ANYONE explain why these manufacturers thing quad core is good over seas, but dual core is what WE want? Or do they think we'll just buy it if they just sell it!?
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That's because we US folks complain about battery life all the f**** time. Many will even sacrifice performance for battery life like underclocking the Amaze from 1.5 to 1.2Ghz. Sarcastically speaking... these folks will buy a quad-core only to find themselves again complain about battery life. What do they do? They will downgrade to dual-core to have a couple of more hours of battery. Companies are hearing these folks.
Flame on folks. Lol
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xxxman999 said:
That's because we US folks complain about battery life all the f**** time. Many will even sacrifice performance for battery life like underclocking the Amaze from 1.5 to 1.2Ghz. Sarcastically speaking... these folks will buy a quad-core only to find themselves again complain about battery life. What do they do? They will downgrade to dual-core to have a couple of more hours of battery. Companies are hearing these folks.
Flame on folks. Lol
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that is true. But with the Galaxy s3 coming out with dual core here in the U.S, main reason is quad core exynos doesn't support LTE just yet.
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wait for one of the AOSP devices coming to Tmobile. Show these manufacturers that they need to stop focusing on coding unnecessary skins and leave the Android system vanilla, and instead focus on making better hardware that utilizes the power of the processing chips more efficiently in the way that WP phones do out of the box. and better cameras, better quality materials and most importantly, maximizing battery life.
i know i'll be going for whatever Jelly Bean device i'm assuming Tmobile will get. if not i'll just purchase whatever GSM unlocked one Google Play decides to sell.
Actually the reason why they us in the US are getting dual cores and not quads is due to a chipset issue, apparently only qualcom has the rights/patents to make modems for US bands, mainly the HSPA+ and LTE band we use, so in order to use those bands on the original chipset that they use for the international version, they'll have to add an extra chipset, the qualcom chipset modem, which will give you the US radio, but will increase battery use, which basically no company wants, apple does this but it's kicking their ass as well with multiple chipsets in a device. So you gotta thank US patents/copyrights along with qualcom for us being stuck with a dual core and at the rate things are going, we'll be pretty much stuck with what qualcom puts out yearly in our devices for quite a few years to come. Though if T-Mobile refarms that 1900 band we should be able to start picking up a few international versions and using them on T-Mobile, though I doubt T-Mobile as a carrier is gonna offer them if they're not packing 42mbps, until they throw out LTE.
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Actually the reason why they us in the US are getting dual cores and not quads is due to a chipset issue, apparently only qualcom has the rights/patents to make modems for US bands, mainly the HSPA+ and LTE band we use, so in order to use those bands on the original chipset that they use for the international version, they'll have to add an extra chipset, the qualcom chipset modem, which will give you the US radio, but will increase battery use, which basically no company wants, apple does this but it's kicking their ass as well with multiple chipsets in a device. So you gotta thank US patents/copyrights along with qualcom for us being stuck with a dual core and at the rate things are going, we'll be pretty much stuck with what qualcom puts out yearly in our devices for quite a few years to come. Though if T-Mobile refarms that 1900 band we should be able to start picking up a few international versions and using them on T-Mobile, though I doubt T-Mobile as a carrier is gonna offer them if they're not packing 42mbps, until they throw out LTE.
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Right on! All issues can be overcome if they really want it badly. It's a matter of time. Business wise, time is what many companies cannot afford due to competition. Supply and demand in an overly competitive industry is at stake.
I haven't seen anything I'd like to upgrade to. The amaze is more then capable for what I need out of a phone, and will be plenty fast for the next year. Phones just aren't progressing as fast as they did even a couple years back. When I first got my hero there was a newer faster phone out almost monthly. Even with quad core, yes it may be faster on paper, 'woohoo quadrant drag racing my phone beat your phone', but when it comes to day to day use how much faster can you really go? My hero, when I first played with it I could see room for improvement, with the amaze, not so much.
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I haven't seen anything I'd like to upgrade to. The amaze is more then capable for what I need out of a phone, and will be plenty fast for the next year. Phones just aren't progressing as fast as they did even a couple years back. When I first got my hero there was a newer faster phone out almost monthly. Even with quad core, yes it may be faster on paper, 'woohoo quadrant drag racing my phone beat your phone', but when it comes to day to day use how much faster can you really go? My hero, when I first played with it I could see room for improvement, with the amaze, not so much.
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Actually, you made some really valid points - I was talking to someone yesterday about how technology hasn't really improved THAT much in the last 20+ years besides a few things, pretty much everything is the same and it is just getting smaller and faster.. and that is more so true at this point. Phones, computers, until they do something different or better, the increases in speed is becoming meaningless.
For me the selling point on the quad core is the 5th core with the lower clock speed that handles the non-heavy lifting and is supposed to increase battery. I would probably just shut off 2 of the cores and keep that benefit.. If you actually understand how multi-core cpus work then you know that they each handle a different thread(or task) - it has no benefit having more than 2 cores unless there are more than 2 things that need to be done at once(like processing video and audio at the same time).
The BIGGEST change I would like to see with all of these advances in technology - make a better battery. The military has several battery technologies that are far more efficient than what we have access to.. as soon as those things go public, THEN we might have some true awesomeness.. until then we can only make things faster and/or more efficient.
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I haven't seen anything I'd like to upgrade to. The amaze is more then capable for what I need out of a phone, and will be plenty fast for the next year. Phones just aren't progressing as fast as they did even a couple years back. When I first got my hero there was a newer faster phone out almost monthly. Even with quad core, yes it may be faster on paper, 'woohoo quadrant drag racing my phone beat your phone', but when it comes to day to day use how much faster can you really go? My hero, when I first played with it I could see room for improvement, with the amaze, not so much.
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I couldn't agree more !
So much, I will more than likely keep this phone till next contract, which is a year plus away. Does everything I need.
I probably stand a lone ground on this, but with what I said up top.....I would consider a BB10 phone as long as it is QWERTY. Really miss my physical keyboard. If they can bring some better apps to the table with a decent screen and still decent battery, I may switch. I don't care about market share ....I get what I want, not what is in....
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As soon as they finish setting up the 1900 service, I will be buying an iPhone. Hopefully the iPhone 5 came out by then.
Hi! I'd like US owners (Also Canadian and Japanese) of the LTE version of the GS3 to run some tests for me. So I'm still trying to decide if I should go for the US version or for the int version, so can you please try PSX and N64 emulators for me and tell me if they are running fine like on those video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa9d2cK6Ybs (1:40 for the N64 emulator) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAQkRNx4t_4
The GPU is really my main worry on the US version since CPU are almost equal.
Thanks!
That's going to be pretty hard to do, seeing as how their not being released until next week, June 21st.
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My bad I though the device was already released with some carriers, can we know if the GPU will have the same perfs or will a GPU be far behind the other?
I only read one comparison on GPU specs and they were claiming the US version was better. But I guess you cant rely on that till we can really compare the 2 side by side in the real world.
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I only read one comparison on GPU specs and they were claiming the US version was better. But I guess you cant rely on that till we can really compare the 2 side by side in the real world.
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Yes and they were comparing the old GPU (the one from the GS2 with lowers clocks etc...)
But the thing is that nobody really knows what GPU will be in the US version...1 guy speculated what they thought was on there so you can barely find the assumed 225 mentioned because nobody has a clue. Again until you see a real US version in the wild, its all guessing. Dont worry either way you will still have the best phone available right now. Then near the end of the year that will change, its ok and how it goes.
Just wanted to share this very direct comparison I found on YouTube, directly comparing the Snapdragon 855 to the Exynos 9820 both running on S10 software. Really not looking great for Exynos in relative comparison to the Snapdragon at least for the S10. Let me know what you guys think about this comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRnbm9wrzg
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Just wanted to share this very direct comparison I found on YouTube, directly comparing the Snapdragon 855 to the Exynos 9820 both running on S10 software. Really not looking great for Exynos in relative comparison to the Snapdragon at least for the S10. Let me know what you guys think about this comparison.
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1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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I am also curious to know how this translates. The guy who created this benchmarks specifically states its supposed to translate to real world performance pretty well, but that's taking his word for it. We will see.
https://www.androidauthority.com/speed-test-g-926659/
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1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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1. That depends on the user. Nobody really cares about a phone talking an extra second or two to open an app but if it's work related then your time wasted is money lost.
2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
3. It doesn't. There are videos on YouTube you can search for.
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1. That depends on the user. Nobody really cares about a phone talking an extra second or two to open an app but if it's work related then your time wasted is money lost.
2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
3. It doesn't. There are videos on YouTube you can search for.
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Do you happen to know which regions/models specifically will have an unlocked bootloader? How much development do you think we will see for those few models?
Really want an exynos chispset for the unlock, but none of them support band 71 as far as I know. Currently faced with a huge dilemma
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2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
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Any info on who's selling a S10 SD with an unlocked bootloader?
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Do you happen to know which regions/models specifically will have an unlocked bootloader? How much development do you think we will see for those few models?
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Any info on who's selling a S10 SD with an unlocked bootloader?
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I'm sorry, I was under the impression that the Latin American and Hong Kong Snapdragon variants were unlocked from the start (previous models) but turns out they need to be unlocked manually, I assume though some type of vulnerability.
People are talking about cancelling preorders... Kneejerk reaction, or justified? Hard to say, but I do know Samsung set loose the very first update of many. Perhaps it'll shrink the performance delta.
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People are talking about cancelling preorders... Kneejerk reaction, or justified? Hard to say, but I do know Samsung set loose the very first update of many. Perhaps it'll shrink the performance delta.
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Thinking serious kneejerk borderlining on freakout, but I'll know tomorrow night. Coming from a Pixel 3 so I have a good standard to judge performance from.
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Thinking serious kneejerk borderlining on freakout, but I'll know tomorrow night. Coming from a Pixel 3 so I have a good standard to judge performance from.
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What we've been shown won't necessarily translate to "real" usage. The iPhone XS blows just about everything out of the water. Despite that, certain Android phones match it in silly speed tests.
The average consumer uses social media, YouTube, navigation, browser, and streams music/movies. Considering how well these run on budget phones I'm certain the 9820 will meet - if not exceed the expectations of buyers. Now... the area everyone wants to know about is efficiency. Will the SD or Exy take the crown this year?
Samsung has proven it knows what it's doing with exynos in years past. If there does happen to be an issue, I'm certain they can issue a fix for their in-house built processor.
Isn't this just the same old fundamental issue Anandtech much talked about with the Exynos S9 last year? At least its not looking as bad as last year's SOC.
Exynos fares better here (compared to other reviews).
https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s10_plus-review-1901p5.php
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What we've been shown won't necessarily translate to "real" usage. The iPhone XS blows just about everything out of the water. Despite that, certain Android phones match it in silly speed tests.
The average consumer uses social media, YouTube, navigation, browser, and streams music/movies. Considering how well these run on budget phones I'm certain the 9820 will meet - if not exceed the expectations of buyers. Now... the area everyone wants to know about is efficiency. Will the SD or Exy take the crown this year?
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I can't post it because I'm new but Look at this one "Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs iPhone XS Max - Speed Test!" by XEETECHCARE, how can such "slow" chip defeat the XS Max most of the time? If Exynos is so crappy why does it still beat it?
Still no videos about the SD version against the iPhone, in theory it should beat it even harder, but I started to think that the power settings they use on the Exynos are more conservative, at least I hope that's the case.
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I can't post it because I'm new but Look at this one "Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs iPhone XS Max - Speed Test!" by XEETECHCARE, how can such "slow" chip defeat the XS Max most of the time? If Exynos is so crappy why does it still beat it?
Still no videos about the SD version against the iPhone, in theory it should beat it even harder, but I started to think that the power settings they use on the Exynos are more conservative, at least I hope that's the case.
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That is very impressive. Usually iphones are extremely hard to beat. It's good to see that Samsung is finally learning to remove bloatware and create much lighter software.
Here it is for anyone else;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uru9AnkgzHc
I think mostly the speed might come from UFS3.0. Soon someone will put snap vs exynos version next to each other, test it out and see which one is better so we will get a full picture. I don't play on my phone so day to day tasks and smoothness are the most important for me... Oh and battery life
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I think mostly the speed might come from UFS3.0. Soon someone will put snap vs exynos version next to each other, test it out and see which one is better so we will get a full picture. I don't play on my phone so day to day tasks and smoothness are the most important for me... Oh and battery life
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The S10 phones have UFS 2.1, the first phone with UFS 3.0 will be the Galaxy Fold
That xs max vs s10 video, scrolling was pretty choppy on the right phone.
The exynos model is alot better for battery life than the s9. As mentioned above the exynos model will usually run smoother and have better battery life.
Just got my S10e G970F setup and updated to the new patch with Feb security. This thing flies. Repeat.. no performance issues in casual use and I'm not sure under what conditions there would be issues. I'm sure Pubg runs just fine. Feels a noticable step faster than my Pixel 3, which is exactly what I was expecting. Full day battery test tomorrow..
Benchmarks are nothing.
(And really liking this phone so far)