Are they even a credible site for mobile news?
Could that be the reason for the "delay" if there even was a delay..
Don't cry about putting this another thread or whine about another bootloader thread being made I'm not gonna dig up a old thread to post this.
If this is old new let it die with the multiple duplicate threads by not commenting or posting.
http://www.mobilestorm.co.uk/news/2...nokia-boss-dismisses-microsoft-takeover-talk/
HTC also sends phone specs and documents to the FCC
Looks like a sail is on the horizon where saved!
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It's.the.first I heard of it actually happening..it eludes that HTC had to backtrack..seems to be the reason for the.delay good find
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It's.the.first I heard of it actually happening..it eludes that HTC had to backtrack..seems to be the reason for the.delay good find
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Yeah I checked before posting but since this was posted today I figured it would be worth its own thread
And yeah first time I herd the word "backtrack" on the evo 3d
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"Back tracking" to remove the lock on the bootloader was my suspicion the whole time. Begs the question, why not provide an OTA update to unlock it? This is going to be the longest 3 weeks ever
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"Back tracking" to remove the lock on the bootloader was my suspicion the whole time. Begs the question, why not provide an OTA update to unlock it? This is going to be the longest 3 weeks ever
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I was thinking it would be a OTA updated but I guess they literally unboxed hundreds of thousands of phones to do what we wanted them to do...
We win the bootloader battle but lose to the waiting game ..
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Idk, I have a hard time believing they unboxed every phone to update its bootloader, but I guess we will know when our phones arrive if that had been the case, I think they'll be locked when we get them... we're talking millions of phones here.
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Idk, I have a hard time believing they unboxed every phone to update its bootloader, but I guess we will know when our phones arrive if that had been the case, I think they'll be locked when we get them... we're talking millions of phones here.
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Not millions they only make so many at first...
Then after there stock runs low they just order more to be made
I had 3 g2x's in a weeks time all with manufactured dates no later than a week old...
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Not millions they only make so many at first...
Then after there stock runs low they just order more to be made
I had 3 g2x's in a weeks time all with manufactured dates no later than a week old...
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hmm, well its a lot of phones... its not like its just a 5,000 phones (which is a lot all in itself)
and as far as dates go, that **** can get silly, the galaxy s vibrant was a bit screwed up for some people, volume rocker wasn't helping us get to recovery like it was supposed too.. and there was a whole big date time of frame where people thought it was the issue, and the dates were really odd.. def more than a week or two old before they were received.
Yeah I'm not saying the manufactured dates are all correct I also remember the vibrant button recovery problem
But if it was suppose to launch the 4th of June and now the 24th its not that unreasonably for them to do it...
When I worked at a plastic factory and a company sent back " bad or faulty" parts we would rework them in days where talking millions of parts...
They have the unlock codes and thousands of employees to do it... honestly in a 12 hour shift a single person could do a few thousand phones alone. Now times that by a thousand employees and a few weeks its done in no time
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I would highly doubt that is the reason for the delay and to be honest, no one said the EVO 3d was delayed except for people posting bogus dates on this site.
It is not like Sprint said the EVO 3d is getting released on June 4th. It was all speculation that it was being released the same day as the original EVO and I have yet to see anything from Sprint that says otherwise.
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I would highly doubt that is the reason for the delay and to be honest, no one said the EVO 3d was delayed except for people posting bogus dates on this site.
It is not like Sprint said the EVO 3d is getting released on June 4th. It was all speculation that it was being released the same day as the original EVO and I have yet to see anything from Sprint that says otherwise.
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That's why I said IF there was ever a delay...
But the phone is coming soon
HTC just released the phone to the FCC
http://m.pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo-3d-drops-a-boatload-of-fcc-docs
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The word "backtracked" meant they back tracked on policy. Before open bootloaders, then locked bootloaders, backtracked to open It will be locked when released, a OTA will fix it OR a "leak". Perhaps it may be unlocked when released, due to the real release date, when ever that is. It was never coming on June 4th like everyone hoped/dreamed. I mean it is just now getting sent to the FCC, you think they delayed sending off to the FCC for a bootloader? lol
Reality Sucks!
Just because they "back tracked" on the e3d DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE UNBOXING ALL THOSE PHONES. It very well could mean they backtracked their thought process and it'll still be OTA. because it also states the "back tracking effect future phones. So I doubt for fun they are going to lock those bootloaders, package them and then un box them. just to unlock the boot loader. It didn't say that was the cause of the phone not being out or even a delay.
Folks this phone is coming when it's coming. I doubt there has even been so much as a delay. people really need to settle down. Its coming. HTC said so Sprint said so, and the FCC has paper work.
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Just because they "back tracked" on the e3d DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE UNBOXING ALL THOSE PHONES. It very well could mean they backtracked their thought process and it'll still be OTA. because it also states the "back tracking effect future phones. So I doubt for fun they are going to lock those bootloaders, package them and then un box them. just to unlock the boot loader. It didn't say that was the cause of the phone not being out or even a delay.
Folks this phone is coming when it's coming. I doubt there has even been so much as a delay. people really need to settle down. Its coming. HTC said so Sprint said so, and the FCC has paper work.
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how do we know these phones were all boxed to begin with? more more speculation. Everywhere here just assumes they were. I doubt they box them up 5 weeks ahead of time just to sit around. HTC Sprint want this out as soon as possible (hopefully while making sure its a finished product) so they can start to pay for the R&D
God,i can't wait for the dev section. So I dont have to read this garbage anymore.
R.I.P hd2 hello Evo 3d
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how do we know these phones were all boxed to begin with? more more speculation. Everywhere here just assumes they were. I doubt they box them up 5 weeks ahead of time just to sit around. HTC Sprint want this out as soon as possible (hopefully while making sure its a finished product) so they can start to pay for the R&D
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thats pretty much my point. WE KNOW NOTHING. but a lot of people around here assumes that they are 4 months delayed boxed and shrink wrapped with their names on it.
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God,i can't wait for the dev section. So I dont have to read this garbage anymore.
R.I.P hd2 hello Evo 3d
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Heck yes, with my epic i never go in the general section, now i remember why.
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God,i can't wait for the dev section. So I dont have to read this garbage anymore.
R.I.P hd2 hello Evo 3d
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Werd....
For a mobile blog they sure are behind with the news cycle...
Like others have said, there is NOTHING in this article that hasn't already been previously stated. The cost to HTC to fully backtrack the hardware already in the channel and NOT issue the update via OTA would be a joke.
Everybody just needs to chill out, be cool. We're all gonna be a bunch of Fonzies here.
BTW, the HTC EVO 3D is in the suitcase. Ringo gets greedy like some of us on this board, doesn't know how to be cool. Then we get into these stalemates.
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thats pretty much my point. WE KNOW NOTHING. but a lot of people around here assumes that they are 4 months delayed boxed and shrink wrapped with their names on it.
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Like I said before I know phones are not boxed 3 months before ... i just picked up a brand new white evo with a manufactured date of 1/17/11
A year old phone and the assumption that is was boxed for 3 months and sat on the shelf for another 3 months makes since.
But i also had 3 g2x's on launch day 4/15-4/25 all with dates close to a week before that.
I know Everything is speculation up until Sprint releases a real date.
A lot of us are sick of pointless triple posted threads with the same info.
This is some what "new ****" so before getting up on that high horse and telling people to stop posted crap you don't wanna read. And you can't wait for the Dev. Section.
why don't you point the finger back at your self and ask, why the **** you keep lurking the general section of a phone that doesn't have a official release date.
Just trying to bring the top new to you without you having to do the latest and greatest Google search...
Consider me Ron burgundy...
/rant and thread if need be
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Htc has made numerous statements that it will review the bootloader policy but as mentioned in many text we all know that just spin, I say we boycott HTC and dont buy on launch day unless the lock is down
Dear sir, I see this is your first post and I welcome you to the site, but how many of these threads do we really need?
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
Htc better care, who do you think makes all of the apps that are the reason why ios and android are what they are today? If they're not smart enough to care today then they'll start caring a few months from now when all of the 3D apps are designed for the optimus and the E3D is irrelevant.
Theyre already one of the last out the gate with dual cores
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HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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That is correct. But who do the majority come to when deciding which phone to buy? The geeks. Imagine if engadget, phonedog, cnet, etc... were to give the EVO 3D bad reviews? Can you imagine what the comments will say in those articles? Even if we can't make a direct impact with our own sales, we influence the minds of many of those people that are not as tech savvy as us. My whole family has HTC phones cause of me. That will soon change. I am sure we can have a very powerful impact.
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im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
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Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
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Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
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This. +1 (10 char)
I for one have a job with PHONE SALES, and i am sure i am not the only one. What we think will influence the customer greatly.
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Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
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Not true. We are the enthusiasts who shape consumer sentiment. This news has made it to all sorts of popular blogs recently. Even a friend of mine who rarely reads tech blogs stumbled across the news. My fiancee won't even think of buying it anymore obviously because I won't -- and I'll recommend other phones to her, my friends, and my family.
That's already ~10 devices for one pointless random person -- me. I know the effect isn't as dramatic for some others, but what we show off, what we brag about, what we get excited for and lust over... is highly contagious. The legendary HD2 didn't merely sell because of its "awesome features." It's still moderately (shockingly) popular today among enthusiasts and is happily sold and traded online -- because of the community.
Even if it's just a placebo effect for the masses (who won't ever know what "flashing" could possibly mean), placebo effect and public sentiment is one of the biggest influences the advertizing world has ever known.
Now the clincher -- many people besides the forum-goers here look to HTC as an alternative to Apple out of principle (or bad experience). They need just ask one enthusiast or read one of the many popular tech sites now posting this news to know that they shouldn't buy the device. How? They'll just read that it's "locked, unopened, encrypted, spurned by uber-geeks" just as the Apple product was.
Don't underestimate our power. Use it. Such social gathering and protest won revolts in random middle eastern countries. It even won a partial concession from Motorola and its formerly horrific bootloader policy. It's powerful, and it works. Vote now (link in sig, takes seconds) and/or contact HTC. Better yet, have your friends do the same. Welcome to Web 2.0 power, people.
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This. +1 (10 char)
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Actually, with the amount of discussion on the bootloader it might even make sense to have another subforum for it! Lots of useful content but it's all split between threads.
we need time to assess
Just tweeted this - not really any different than the others but still
@HTC - Say no to locked bootloaders and say yes to open development. #EVO3D - #Sprint - #youlockwewalk
Let's also get Sprint's attention! I just posted a thread on there. Respond or start your own. The more attention the better. I am sure Sprint is in on this also.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/comm...ew=discussions
I disagree with you completely. The N64 emulator and the 3D capability of the EVO 3d alone would attract so many people, its like a phone and a 3DS. We are a minority, we may be able to convince other people to not buy it, but a 3D phone is attractive to the masses sort of like an iPhone is.
it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
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Lol i say on htcs sites and email that i will not be gettin the evo 3d bc of this to try and change there mind . But really who thinks its gonna help ? Sprint and other carriers have a roll in this to they dont want you to be able to get hot spot free anymore,
Im gonna get thr evo 3d for the phone itself
No matter if they change it or not , the evo 3d is the bEst phone coming out soon its htc , htc has the best build quality other then apple and i hate apple
But you people or can say ur gettin samsung or lg can go ahead i will wait 6 months for a full root with a leaked eng bootloader half root wont hurt untill then . What will hurt is u people going to samsung or lg and couple months down the road ur phone falls apart i would rather a great phone then a phone with a unlocked bootloader
We will get full root, some how, some way. If htc does it the way that sony is (they unlock, flag as voided), I'm sure we will find a way to use that and unlock that biotch.
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Their is almost nothing on their facebook about the unlocked bootloader. Maybe they decided it is not worth their time since most people forgot about it already or simply do not care. We need to keep bombarding them with emails and posts just like we did when it was first announced. If HTC thinks that we have forgotten or no longer care then they might not even bother. Persistence is key!
its been done already. Trust me, if they wanna do it they will, if they go back on their word it will be a mess for them. I dont think the emails are going to do any better at this point, since they have already said it, and what more can we get from them? Now its in the hands of the decision makers as when to release it. Sending them email it probably a waste of your time and theirs, bunch of people have done and they say they will unlock it. I dont think you are going to hear anything different.
Its time for people to start actually returning their phones. Not only that, but post on FB/Twitter and tag HTC in the post.
its all about that people saw that devs here at xda are close to this, so they dont care anymore
Them not mentioning the bootloader is not a reason for everyone to just give up on the 3d. This is an extremely nice phone that hasn't been out for 2 weeks, be patient people it'll come.
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I just don't think that will be especially helpful. But I dont mind posting on their fb page later today. Ill just ask for a date.
They have already stated that they will unlock the 3D but they are working out the details. It will happen but it might be another month or more before it actually happens. Emailing them isn't going to make it happen faster. And returning your phone isn't going to cause them to do anything either. We are a minority ourselves and then there is a minority of the minority that would be willing to return their phones which isn't enough volume to make HTC even blink.
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Their is almost nothing on their facebook about the unlocked bootloader. Maybe they decided it is not worth their time since most people forgot about it already or simply do not care. We need to keep bombarding them with emails and posts just like we did when it was first announced. If HTC thinks that we have forgotten or no longer care then they might not even bother. Persistence is key!
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what do you mean 'YOU people'???
So, what happens if I do return the Evo 3d? If I don't get another phone, and use an older phone that I have, will my upgrade status be set to a full upgrade? Or do I have to get another new phone? Will I still have a 2 year contract, or will it be reset to what it was? Just wondering, because I don't know what other phone I would get. Also If I return it now, can I buy it again at discount price once Htc unlocks it? I know there are a lot of people here who work for sprint. Also, I purchased it from RS if that makes a difference. Thanks
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What do YOU mean "you people"?
Htc does not care if you return your phone. Sprint buys the phones from HTC, then sprint sells the phones with their plans. HTC has their money they already sold the phones to sprint. So if you return the phone HTC could care less its no money out of their pocket. It would be sprints loss more then anything.
Let's not forget that HTC NEVER said they would unlock the EVO 3D bootloader. They said they would change their policies on FUTURE devices. They also stated that since the EVO 3D was already far into production that their statement did not apply to the EVO 3D but that they are reviewing whether or not to unlock the bootloader for the EVO 3D.
I'm all for being patient and the phone is currently still kicking ass in spite of Sense..but...we are losing developers. Perhaps not right this second, but, with every minute that goes by we march closer and closer the the 30 day window closing more and more devs are wondering what to do, keep it or get the SGS2 which will be no problem to dev for?
It's going through nearly ever users mind (here) and probably every devs mind. HTC is dragging their heels, developers are losing interest, users are getting scared...HTC has their money, what do they care if they take 3 months? By then developer interest will be close to gone and if/when we get CM8 it will be extra buggy for us for a while...and a month or two later the next big phone I'm going to get will be announced...
I think this screen is absolutely gorgeous and going to the SGS2 would be a giant downgrade in resolution--screw the overblown colors, compare your EVO3D to your EVO4G side by side...the resolution difference will be missed...
...but, I miss theming, custom roms, custom kernels, overclocking, wifi tether, the security in having a nandroid backup, the security in knowing that if I **** something up *I* can fish around in there and fix it--which I currently lack.
I amazing devs are doing all they can, and I thank them graciously for their efforts...and perhaps HTC will unlock the phone--eventually--but will that be soon enough to save our "scene"?
After keeping an eye on the dev threads for the 3D and Sensation I see a lot of brilliant ideas being thrown around. Some seriously clever people in there...but also some very major roadblocks in this phone, all very intentionally engineered to keep us out.
I guess what I'm getting at is: What is everybody elses "worst case scenario" plan? If i bring the phone back and it gets cracked the next day I can always go buy another one. What phone will most of the user community migrate to? What of developers?
Mine is to bring back my phone on the 30th day if it is not cracked or officially unlocked. Then wait for for the SGS2...(my only concern being the crappy radio, but, the EVO3D has a pretty weak radio too). If during my wait the EVO3D is cracked or unlocked I have the option to buy that again, or even wait longer...
thoughts?
You're complaining about unlocked bootloader..?
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You're complaining about unlocked bootloader..?
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Read the tag on this thread.
Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
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The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
omgtheybetterfixitinthenexttwelvesecondsorimsogoingtoreturnthisphonegoddamn
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
their reply.
I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
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I just spoke to sprint costumer service and they did infact told me that htc evo 3d is not getting ics. I also asked if we would be able to get an erly upgrade becouse of this and they said no. They also told me that if you get a new htc evo 4g lte or samsung galaxy s3 insurance will increase to 11 dollars and 99 cents a month. Deductable also increases to 200 dollars for this phones. By the way i got s-off 1.50 using the wire trick very easy i just thoght you should know.
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I just spoke to sprint costumer service and they did infact told me that htc evo 3d is not getting ics. I also asked if we would be able to get an erly upgrade becouse of this and they said no. They also told me that if you get a new htc evo 4g lte or samsung galaxy s3 insurance will increase to 11 dollars and 99 cents a month. Deductable also increases to 200 dollars for this phones. By the way i got s-off 1.50 using the wire trick very easy i just thoght you should know.
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i'll believe it ... when .. I see it?
thanks for the warning. but what sprint customer service knows changes every time u talk to someone at sprint.
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I just spoke to sprint costumer service and they did infact told me that htc evo 3d is not getting ics. I also asked if we would be able to get an erly upgrade becouse of this and they said no. They also told me that if you get a new htc evo 4g lte or samsung galaxy s3 insurance will increase to 11 dollars and 99 cents a month. Deductable also increases to 200 dollars for this phones. By the way i got s-off 1.50 using the wire trick very easy i just thoght you should know.
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Hey look another crap post about ics
Every thing you just said is junk. The deductable won't double the phone is the same price.
Also the 3D is definitely getting ics.
Also no Sprint rep really knows much about the updates ever
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In before the lock. This guy must've talked with a rookie.
What did the soup Nazis used to say on Seinfeld:
"NO SOUP FOR YOU"
Haha. I think if I were a Sprint customer service rep, it would be fun to mess with people calling up all the time asking when they were going to get the upgrade.
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Hey look another crap post about ics
Every thing you just said is junk. The deductable won't double the phone is the same price.
Also the 3D is definitely getting ics.
Also no Sprint rep really knows much about the updates ever
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Hey man, a lil hostile there eh?
1) how do you know for certain Sprint will release ICS for the EVO 3D? Do you have a contact in Sprint? If so, pic or your lying out your ass.
2) I like how you shot down his notion that the price will increase. When has prices in this economy ever decreased or stayed the same (especially in the telecom business!). I feel you just want to start beef with OP.
3) Now lets see...this is a forum about phones, and specifically in this section we are talking about general EVO 3D subjects. Since our phone is indeed able to run ICS, what's the problem about talking about the official update in the forum? Its not like this subject is way off topic, its regarding a much anticipated update for our phones. Stop being a Negative Nancy, get off your high horse, and say something positive.
I may have not been around during the Hero days but I was around during the OG EVO incarnation (I still remember toastcfh's God Mode). I feel XDA been getting more hostile by the day and its sad to see such a good community get tainted by negative nancys.
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Hey man, a lil hostile there eh?
1) how do you know for certain Sprint will release ICS for the EVO 3D? Do you have a contact in Sprint? If so, pic or your lying out your ass.
2) I like how you shot down his notion that the price will increase. When has prices in this economy ever decreased or stayed the same (especially in the telecom business!). I feel you just want to start beef with OP.
3) Now lets see...this is a forum about phones, and specifically in this section we are talking about general EVO 3D subjects. Since our phone is indeed able to run ICS, what's the problem about talking about the official update in the forum? Its not like this subject is way off topic, its regarding a much anticipated update for our phones. Stop being a Negative Nancy, get off your high horse, and say something positive.
I may have not been around during the Hero days but I was around during the OG EVO incarnation (I still remember toastcfh's God Mode). I feel XDA been getting more hostile by the day and its sad to see such a good community get tainted by negative nancys.
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These posts are old and just misguide people.
And no I have no inside source. But wanna bet me ics won't make it to the 3D?
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Guys if you disagree with a post just ignore it. Flaming back only encourages useless posts like these and I guarantee you the mods have better threads to moderate then another ICS update thread full of crap.
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Maybe it feels hostile because of the redundant **** that keeps getting posted. Or how about the continuous negative feedback that people post that the EVO 3D isn't getting this, or it can't do that, or that this new phone is better.
I know I get irritated when I constantly see posts like that.
Not saying yours is, but that's the feeling I've been getting when I sit down and try to catch up on my forum when I'm finally off work.
Personally, I'd rather see threads that talk about what my phone can do, not what it can't. Don't know about others, but I have this phone for another year. Not trying to constantly read about my phone's deficiencies.
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Hey man, a lil hostile there eh?
1) how do you know for certain Sprint will release ICS for the EVO 3D? Do you have a contact in Sprint? If so, pic or your lying out your ass.
2) I like how you shot down his notion that the price will increase. When has prices in this economy ever decreased or stayed the same (especially in the telecom business!). I feel you just want to start beef with OP.
3) Now lets see...this is a forum about phones, and specifically in this section we are talking about general EVO 3D subjects. Since our phone is indeed able to run ICS, what's the problem about talking about the official update in the forum? Its not like this subject is way off topic, its regarding a much anticipated update for our phones. Stop being a Negative Nancy, get off your high horse, and say something positive.
I may have not been around during the Hero days but I was around during the OG EVO incarnation (I still remember toastcfh's God Mode). I feel XDA been getting more hostile by the day and its sad to see such a good community get tainted by negative nancys.
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First of all, the only definitive answer to this is that a person who is higher up in the food chain (Sprint Executive John Tudhope VP of Product David Owens) did slip out that it would be coming in mid-June. This was on Engadget. Granted, it's still not here, but this could've been misinterpreted by him to mean mid-July. The fact is, Sprint stands to lose A LOT if they don't release this update. Why it's taking so long, no one really knows.
Second, you're right in the fact that the increase is imminent. They even state when you buy the phone, and you must agree to it, that the insurance and deductible do go up for the phone.
Third, while this may be the place to talk about it, creating ANOTHER thread about a date where there still isn't ICS for the EVO 3D isn't exactly the way to go about it. I understand the frustration from many people about cluttered forums. This probably isn't a necessary thread. This should have, instead, been posted HERE.
I mean look at the title and its enough. No ics for evo and a date
Like he's Sprints ceo announcing it? Every one is aware that no one has any real clue when we're getting it. But it's about ninety percent sure we are.
Kthxbye another thread on the subject is never needed again, but we'll have three within the hour.
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First of all, the only definitive answer to this is that a person who is higher up in the food chain (Sprint Executive John Tudhope) did slip out that it would be coming in mid-June. This was on Engadget. Granted, it's still not here, but this could've been misinterpreted by him to mean mid-July. The fact is, Sprint stands to lose A LOT if they don't release this update. Why it's taking so long, no one really knows.
Second, you're right in the fact that the increase is imminent. They even state when you buy the phone, and you must agree to it, that the insurance and deductible do go up for the phone.
Third, while this may be the place to talk about it, creating ANOTHER thread about a date where there still isn't ICS for the EVO 3D isn't exactly the way to go about it. I understand the frustration from many people about cluttered forums. This probably isn't a necessary thread. This should have, instead, been posted HERE.
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Sprint isn't going to lose anything by not releasing the update.. what do you think they are going to lose?
You can follow me on Twitter - @NotSo1nter3stin
Fact is HTC has already put out ICS. Therefore they have to provide source and will for it. We don't need the official Sprint update. Just source. When that happens you'll see. Doesn't matter what Sprint does now at this point. We need kernel source which they have yet to provide but will and have to.
E=MC420
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Sprint isn't going to lose anything by not releasing the update.. what do you think they are going to lose?
You can follow me on Twitter - @NotSo1nter3stin
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Educate yourself.
Both Sprint and HTC are listed there. And to top it off, with an Executive (My apologies, this was actually David Owens, VP of Product that stated this) saying on a very well-known blog (on a video none-the-less), that the update is coming, I think that's a lot to look out for.
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How will you see it, if they don't do it??
Having been very satisfied with using MeanRom Gingerbread on my Evo 3D, I didn't know if I would like moving to ICS, but now I absolutely love it. After all, I could get nearly 2 days out of my battery with the cpu tweaks available for the GB ROMs, which are not available for ICS kernels yet.
That being said, from what I have been reading, it is a safe bet that your Evo3D will never see an OTA update from Sprint, and if you want ICS, you're gonna need to root your phone.
After being so impressed with MeanRom (GB), I decided to tryout the MeanRom ICS version, but the battery life is really not very good, and the phone seemed to lag terribly at times. I was holding out hope this would be improved, but considering the developer has recently purchased a Evo 4G LTE, I think he is moving on, and I have given up hope on this ROM. I considered going back to GB, but decided to try two other ICS ROMs that I really like. They are lightning quick, and have excellent battery life. First is Cool ICS, which has built in Beats Audio, and makes a surprising difference via Bluetooth to a Bose Soundlink (which is awesome, by the way).
The other ROM that I am fond of, but seems to be lacking a few features is the NegaLite BluRom ICS. I wanted to send a request to the developer, but unfortunately, I am unable to do so until I get 10 posts, so I guess this is why you had to see me ramble away on this reply.
Its getting mighty chilly in here.
Me thinks the zero tolerance rules are about to kick in.
I usually optimistic regarding updates, especially with Sprint (HTC is ok, i feel someone in HTC is the source of our VM leak in the first place). However recently I've been feeling this phone is slowly becoming a bastard child for HTC/Sprint. They want to forget how they weren't able to hit their sales mark with this device and they are looking towards the future (One Series).
In a business sense, ICS will not give Sprint their ROI if they were to spend time delivering it as an OTA. They will rather allocate their limited man-power to supplement their latest and greatest devices. Sadly, its just business, and there's nothing we can do about it since we're sadly slaves to the Tele-gods.
Personally, now that I know I love rooting/hacking/modifying my phone, I know my next purchase will be a Nexus device that will bypass Telecoms entirely.
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I've been doing some searches regarding that 18-month upgrade cycle Google mentioned last year in their I/O conference. Sadly it was a hollow promise:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...nt-get-an-upgrade-to-ice-cream-sandwich/17295
Again we don't need Sprints update. Just HTC's source which they will provide. This is all useless.
E=MC420
Can we please get this worthless thread closed. On top of everything else that has been said, I do not believe that any of this information came from CS but from the OP's mind. This is nothing but a classic troll thread......
So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Everyone says sprint sprint sprint but is it not the manufacturer's that say what device they wanna tweak the os for? Besides if it was sprint that was delaying it why would the s3 already be confirmed to be getting the jelly bean update? HTC says they don't know if they will be updating it. And Idt sprint would hurt their own pockets like that. 2 have 2 flagship phones on the latest os faster and far less problems they would/should be jizzin in their pants for that chance.
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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U hit the nail on the head! Totally agree 1000%
I payed more for my phone than I did my laptop or tablet. Yet they get updates damn near everyday. And if android is open source I should be ableto get the updates on anyphone that runs Android as long as the specs are up to par for free correct. Just like linux. So y do they get to choose what we get so they can make money. I mean we do it here. So y can't they. Lol sry just rantin clearin my chest.
Me and the wife love HTC but we both agreed that even though we dislike the build quality of Samsung it may be our next phone just because things get updated and fixed a lot more frequently. Besides our phones stay deep inside great looking cases so how much does build quality mean to us anyway.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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Point taken. Bottom line is that "we" the customer, gets screwed. I would find it hard to believe that HTC and Sprint both "don't know" what people want. HTC makes great phones and the developers help us love them. Developers maximize the potential of our devices but if they're not getting what they need, it's a moot point and I'll probably leave Sprint and HTC altogether when I'm due for an upgrade. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. Patience only goes so far.
Not to mention still can't have caller id tones since last update n they can't fix that. Bs and I don't wanna switch roms cuz something always never works in roms.
have to admit if it wasn't for custom roms and the hard work of devs here I would have tossed this phone by now.
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Having been an android owner for the last three years (and an evo owner for the last 2), I've gotten used to the slower updates. It's always been explained away by saying that first HTC has to produce an update, then Sprint has to tweak the update, before we ever get the OTA. I know it's not a solution to the problem presented in the OP, but has anyone noticed that we have fantastic devs for this phone? The roms, kernels, and tweaks are not only being produced on a daily basis, but are frequently updated and provided with fantastic support. I can live with slow manufacture and provider updates as long we continue to have great devs.
Yes, but in a different way. I will not be purchasing another HTC product ever due to their slow update roll outs as well as their locking of the boot loaders. While they finally relented and let people unlock their bootloaders through their website, their previous and current stance on the issue is unacceptable to me.
You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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KLP isn't out yet. I never said i was leaving sprint just may leave HTC. for me sprint is the best deal besides pre-paid. if pre-paid got the hottest phones as well. I think the big 3 would be outta biz or would have to lower prices to compete. lol
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Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
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not really that is what they run off contract. bout $800 plus tax
this phone will probably be the last HTC phone I purchase... unless they change their policy on source and start to release it to dev's faster... it seems like there is a lot more activity for the S3....
If I get another HTC device it will be a nexus. If they dont make a nexus device im not getting it. I love htc build quality, it feels like a real device in my hand, but the lack of updates really turns me off.
Sorry to hear you paid $850 for this mech.. got mine free without upgrading because the 3ds were on backorder when mine broke... and i got that free also...