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Second and/or third opinion. All areas of the screen do not respond to touch on a normal basis. Soft keys work fine. 3 different ROMS tried, froyo, gb, and eclair.
Informed opinion is saying digitizer is not working?
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Second and/or third opinion. All areas of the screen do not respond to touch on a normal basis. Soft keys work fine. 3 different ROMS tried, froyo, gb, and eclair.
Informed opinion is saying digitizer is not working?
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My money is on the informed opinion at 20:1
The digitizers can be replaced for about $30 if you are a little bit handy - this post over on AF contains a link to a useful video of the procedure on YouTube. I suppose it's feasible that the problem is as simple as a "loose connector", but that's still a hardware problem, not software.
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/371983-help-save-brick-5.html#post2941531
Search around (both here and on AF) in the Eris forums for "screen replacement" or "digitizer"; you might find some links to inexpensive sources for the digitizer and cover glass
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Good to have a second opinion though. Haven't used this phone in about a year anyway, not sure if I have a plan for fixing it or not to be honest.
FYI, it occurred to me that many of the folks that have replaced their digitizer did so because of one or two different scenarios:
- they dropped their phone and cracked or smashed the cover glass
- portions of the touchscreen stopped working.
In your case, because you don't have partial functionality of the touchscreen, the possibility exists that the problem is elsewhere (for instance in the electronics or wiring which "talk" to the digitizer).
It would be disappointing to go through the trouble of replacing the digitizer only to find out that you had spent the money for no result; but cut-n-try is the name of the game in electronics repair.
I mentioned the other possibility of a simple case of a loose connector - before you spend the money, you might try popping the Eris open and then disconnecting and reconnecting the flex-cable connectors to see if its an easy fix like that.
bftb0
Since I don't use it and it has been in a drawer since September of 2010 I might get around to it but I really don't think so.
I am half tempted to just mail it off to the first person that wants it.
i just recently replaced my digitizer, but like the previous post said, the problem was that only certain parts had no touch. i actually started to have another problem where pushing the back soft key would then initiate a barrage of pushes from all over the screen. honestly, if the soft keys are working and the rest of the screen isnt, i doubt that its a loose connection.
i found my digitizer on ebay for around $30 give or take a dollar or two. and its honestly not too hard to replace if you watch youtube videos on it. the only hard part is taking off the original digitizer (seriously u feel like its going to snap from how much pressure you need to put on the adhesive they used before) and trying to clean all that adhesive they had on before. but i was very pleased after replacement to have my eris working wonderfully, lol mainly because my upgrade at the time wasnt for another month!! and just think, with the condemned soul wifi fix for non-serviced phones, you can have the almost equivalent of an ipod touch with $30 n a little bit of handywork )
So I am on the fence between which one to buy. Besides the price point and the mod for the Atrix lapdock, are there any differences between the two? Does the Atrix mod keep the photon securely in place when docked? Are there any hardware differences?
TIA
Julian
Atrix lapdock requires modification. According to someone who posted in another thread the Bionics doesn't, but the Photon doesn't sit on it perfect either. There is talk of the Photon getting it's own lapdock, maybe it will even be cheaper.
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Atrix lapdock requires modification. According to someone who posted in another thread the Bionics doesn't, but the Photon doesn't sit on it perfect either. There is talk of the Photon getting it's own lapdock, maybe it will even be cheaper.
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Thanks for your reply. Yea I was the one that confirmed that the Bionic lapdock works with the Photon and although I know it does not sit flush with the dock, the phone is secure.
I was wondering if there were really any differences regarding the keyboard or mouse pad for the two lapdocks. Anyone have any input?
I ended up getting the Bionic Lapdock. So far so good. I actually went through 4 Bionic lapdocks before finally getting one that did not have a defect with it. The first three had dead pixels. Luckily the Verizon stores were kind enough for me to try all their stock. I cleaned out two local Verizon Corp stores of the lapdock stock since all of them had dead pixels.
BUYER BEWARE: Please try using the actual lapdock you are going to buy before committing. you never know if there will be dead pixels!
Other than the occasional lag and the insane palm sensitivity of the track pad, i love this thing!
**Hint: When typing a long post such as this, you can temporarily disable the track pad by tapping on the white led twice. tapping twice again will activate the track pad.
Well I got my Atrix Lapdock in last night and swapped the ports around and have some initial impressions.
FIT:
Photon does fit snugly but you have to be careful because the ports do not line up exactly. If you notice the videos people have posted you notice that they have to wiggle the Photon to get it to fit. Well once I saw that I immediately took it apart and placed a very small piece of hard plastic under the USB port. To lift is to the proper angle. Once I did this now the Photon slides into the dock very smoothly it’s not perfect and hangs every now and then but it also does the same in the cardock.
PORTS:
I have seem numerous posts where people have asked about swapping the ports so the Photon would sit flush. Well sad to say it’s not possible. Two things make this not possible. One the ports on the Photon make the phone where with either method the phone will stick out. Second you would have to cut the hole larger on the Micro HDMI side to fit the USB which would cause the port to wobble and not sit properly.
SPEED:
As other users have posted it is not the fasted in the world. But this may be attributed to the fact that from what I have read one core is disabled on the Photon. Also I notice on the Phone Mirrored screen under notifications it shows. " This device is not optimized to work with the Lapdock model" now everything I have tried has worked and mind you has worked well. I would compare this to my old HP 1000nr netbook in terms of speed. I am running the latest update with Webtop version WT-1.2.0-160.
SOUND:
The speakers seem to work well. I would compare them to be as loud as say an Ipad or Touchpad. You also have the option under settings to use the phones speakphone if you prefer.
SCREEN:
Well the screen is very crisp and the videos I played seems to look very nice. When I blew up the phone screen I didn’t notice much pixilation and everything looked nice. But then again I am not very picky and as just as happy with a 720p TV as I am with a 1080P.
BATTERY:
Will have to update on this later since I’ve only had it for a day but it is very nice to know that you can use this and your phone will be charged when you pull it off.
CASES:
Photon will not work in the lapdock with any cases currently avaliable. I have a case that i cut to fit in the cardock which it works in the cardock but does not work in the lapdock.
If you want something small to throw in a bag and send a lot of texts or emails this is great. Will work for web browsing but it is about as slow as a netbook so at time you may be frustrated.
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So I am on the fence between which one to buy. Besides the price point and the mod for the Atrix lapdock, are there any differences between the two? Does the Atrix mod keep the photon securely in place when docked? Are there any hardware differences?
TIA
Julian
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I am going to wait the several weeks until the Motorola electrify lapdock should be out. The Electrify is a photon twin announced by U.S. Cellular, so there should be no worry of the photon falling out when you move the lapdock. As noted on another thread, the elctrify lapdock was confirmed by U.S. Cellular.
I ended up buying the bionic lapdock and I'm loving life.. yea I spent $300 on it, but it was worth it =)
Hey all,
I recently had an accident with my 32GB Touchpad I managed to recover from, so I thought I'd share the story for the benefit of anyone else who encounters the same issue. That said, if you do have this problem, proceed at your own risk. I am not advising you to do anything I did below, rather I am sharing my own experience.
Basically it got dropped around 6-8 feet down a carpeted stairwell. It appeared to land on the side edge with the volume button. To my surprise, the screen wasn't cracked and the buttons responded, but it wouldn't respond to touch.
First, I know this isn't covered by the warranty. [SOAPBOX] Of course, one could just lie to tech support and possibly get it covered, but that isn't how I roll. I've gotten by well in life by being straight with tech support but not taking any bs, not gonna change now.[/SOAPBOX] So, I did a live chat with tech support just to see what it would cost. Short answer, $238 for a tablet I paid $150 for. So no, I decided that if I couldn't fix it myself I'd part it out to others with broken displays etc, or give it to a dev. If I got any money for it, I'd buy an actual android pad.
Once again, PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK! I take no responsibility if you damage or brick your device.
Past experience told me that most likely a connector inside was the culprit. I search the forums and interwebs for dissembly instructions. I couldn't find any good ones, but managed to figure it out from the following two links;
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/environment/productdata/Countries/_MultiCountry/disassembly_handhe_2011617223529.pdf
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-hp-touchpad/6253940?seq=8&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto
If anyone knows a good dissasembly tutorial i missed on youtube or elsewhere, please post it. Anyway, I found the ribbon cables from the panel were indeed partially pulled from their connectors (see attached ribbon 1.jpg). Flipping up the black covers (see attached ribbon 2.jpg) I was able to reposition it and flipped the covers back down.
After a bit of trouble reassembling it (due to my being rough with the side catches around the bezel), my Touchpad is back to its former self, not counting a few scuffs in the plastic around the bezel from by hamfisted work. I'm happy, and my wife is happy I'm not eyeing the Touchpad I just gave her for her birthday . I hope someone benefits from this post, as I've benefited from others' posts here. Just trying to give back.
interesting read. Knowing what you know now, how long would think the whole process would take?
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interesting read. Knowing what you know now, how long would think the whole process would take?
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No more than 15 minutes. Of course, I'd try to find a better tool like the one pictured in the linked PDF in my post above. Just gotta be sure the catches around the bezel are free so as not to pull up them up as you lift the lcd panel. They're actually separate pieces of plastic, not part of the bottom mold. One had slide out from under one of the PCBs. I had to remove a few screws to lift said PCB to reposition the catch, otherwise the panel wouldn't snap back in fully.
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If anyone knows a good dissasembly tutorial i missed on youtube or elsewhere, please post it.
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It's not a video, but the steps for various replacements are quite well explained here : http://www.ifixit.com/Device/HP_TouchPad
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It's not a video, but the steps for various replacements are quite well explained here : http://www.ifixit.com/Device/HP_TouchPad
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I definitely give the thumbs up with that tutorial. Very good. A pocket knife blade was my tool of choice to take the cover off!
Thanks for the tutorial.
Sorry to revive the old thread. However, my touchpad is not responding to touch, everything else is functional (it boots perfect and able to update using JC toolbox to latest 4.4.4).
I tried to plug unplug the video connector few times (after disassembling) but still it does not respond to touch. Any suggestion will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Do you still have WebOS or a touch enabled recovery installed? That could help determine if the problem is more likely hardware or software. If it is hardware you have already done what I could do.
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Do you still have WebOS or a touch enabled recovery installed? That could help determine if the problem is more likely hardware or software. If it is hardware you have already done what I could do.
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I have completely wiped the system and removed the WebOS by using JC toolbox. However, I do have touch recovery and while booting in recovery also have problem for touch(does not respond to touch, can select using volume up/down and home button). Does it mean touch screen is now defective? Can it be replaced and is it worth try? Appreciate your input.
Thanks
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I have completely wiped the system and removed the WebOS by using JC toolbox. However, I do have touch recovery and while booting in recovery also have problem for touch(does not respond to touch, can select using volume up/down and home button). Does it mean touch screen is now defective? Can it be replaced and is it worth try? Appreciate your input.
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I would agree it sounds like either the digitizer or control board may be bad. I don't know enough to say more though. As for if it is worth it, do a search on eBay. Used Touchpads sell for under $100. New for around twice that. Nonfunctional units sell for under $50. Maybe you get lucky and can buy one with a working digitizer. If it were me, I would buy a functioning used Touchpad and sell the bad one. Or keep it for spare parts. With current more powerful 10" tablets selling new for $300-500, I'd be careful not to put too much into it.
Good luck!
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I couldn'd find any "more powerful" tablets with 32GB ram and wireless charging. Do you know some? I bought a used touchpad then.
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I couldn'd find any "more powerful" tablets with 32GB ram and wireless charging. Do you know some? I bought a used touchpad then.
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You got me on wireless charging. ☺ Not counting that I was thinking of a Nexus 9 or 10, or a Galaxy Tab. A Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1" 16GB goes for $320. It has a microSD slot and an Exynos 5 Octa CPU.
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Well if my son continues to beat my TP up the way he does, I will definitely look at this method for the first step to solving possible touchscreen issues haha, thanks
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Hey all,
I recently had an accident with my 32GB Touchpad I managed to recover from, so I thought I'd share the story for the benefit of anyone else who encounters the same issue. That said, if you do have this problem, proceed at your own risk. I am not advising you to do anything I did below, rather I am sharing my own experience.
Basically it got dropped around 6-8 feet down a carpeted stairwell. It appeared to land on the side edge with the volume button. To my surprise, the screen wasn't cracked and the buttons responded, but it wouldn't respond to touch.
First, I know this isn't covered by the warranty. [SOAPBOX] Of course, one could just lie to tech support and possibly get it covered, but that isn't how I roll. I've gotten by well in life by being straight with tech support but not taking any bs, not gonna change now.[/SOAPBOX] So, I did a live chat with tech support just to see what it would cost. Short answer, $238 for a tablet I paid $150 for. So no, I decided that if I couldn't fix it myself I'd part it out to others with broken displays etc, or give it to a dev. If I got any money for it, I'd buy an actual android pad.
Once again, PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK! I take no responsibility if you damage or brick your device.
Past experience told me that most likely a connector inside was the culprit. I search the forums and interwebs for dissembly instructions. I couldn't find any good ones, but managed to figure it out from the following two links;
[Removed Links... Noobie here]
If anyone knows a good dissasembly tutorial i missed on youtube or elsewhere, please post it. Anyway, I found the ribbon cables from the panel were indeed partially pulled from their connectors (see attached ribbon 1.jpg). Flipping up the black covers (see attached ribbon 2.jpg) I was able to reposition it and flipped the covers back down.
After a bit of trouble reassembling it (due to my being rough with the side catches around the bezel), my Touchpad is back to its former self, not counting a few scuffs in the plastic around the bezel from by hamfisted work. I'm happy, and my wife is happy I'm not eyeing the Touchpad I just gave her for her birthday . I hope someone benefits from this post, as I've benefited from others' posts here. Just trying to give back.
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I've been researching Tablets and i must be able to write notes with ease. I've read the best stylus is the Jot Pro which i've gone and purchased. I've also read that writing with a active digitizer is the best for taking hand notes.
i've yet to read about "active digitizer" in any of the specs for the TP so i was wondering how it would compair to a active digitizer screen? Also to what degree would it be better or worse?
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I've been researching Tablets and i must be able to write notes with ease. I've read the best stylus is the Jot Pro which i've gone and purchased. I've also read that writing with a active digitizer is the best for taking hand notes.
i've yet to read about "active digitizer" in any of the specs for the TP so i was wondering how it would compair to a active digitizer screen? Also to what degree would it be better or worse?
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Trust me, if you put conductive grease in your jot ball, you won't see any difference between using that on the TF or TFP and a tablet with digitizer.
Active digitizer has pressure sensitivity. Although it can be... less precise than Adonit (because some active digitizers are innacurate when holded on different angles).
Unfortunetaly Transformer doesn't have one. Adonit was supposed to show active digitizer for all tablets on CES. I wonder what they will make.
Thanks. I ask because i was watching a video smackdown between the TFP vs. Motorola Droid XYBoard and she specifically made a point that Active Digitizer screens are better for note taking.
She did not mention how much better these screens are and with all the people here saying the Jot Pro is amazing with the TFP, it can't be that much better.
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Thanks. I ask because i was watching a video smackdown between the TFP vs. Motorola Droid XYBoard and she specifically made a point that Active Digitizer screens are better for note taking.
She did not mention how much better these screens are and with all the people here saying the Jot Pro is amazing with the TFP, it can't be that much better.
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I know what video you're talking about. Reviewers are not gods. They know a lot of official stuff, but they don't know **** about real life stuff. Most reviewers still say the ipad2 is much much much better than the tf. The tf has been out for how long? Most reviewers still criticize the tf keyboard for not being able to disable the touchpad. Hint, its a shortkey on top somewhere.
Reviewers are good at giving you first impressions. But they suck at telling you about real life applications.
If you'd rather put your trust in reviewers, then you should get a motor xyboard. I'm telling you from real life experience. You won't notice a difference.
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I know what video you're talking about. Reviewers are not gods. They know a lot of official stuff, but they don't know **** about real life stuff. Most reviewers still say the ipad2 is much much much better than the tf. The tf has been out for how long? Most reviewers still criticize the tf keyboard for not being able to disable the touchpad. Hint, its a shortkey on top somewhere.
Reviewers are good at giving you first impressions. But they suck at telling you about real life applications.
If you'd rather put your trust in reviewers, then you should get a motor xyboard. I'm telling you from real life experience. You won't notice a difference.
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Wonderful. I really didn't read to much into it. I watch/read to get a good overview per say. As someone with zero experience with tablets that is why i come here, to the people with them, to ask these questions not answered in these reviews.
Thanks again
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Wonderful. I really didn't read to much into it. I watch/read to get a good overview per say. As someone with zero experience with tablets that is why i come here, to the people with them, to ask these questions not answered in these reviews.
Thanks again
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Yeah, people tend to trust those with authority these days. Somewhere along the line, people lost their trust in real life experience.
Take my g/f's dad, for example. His win7 computer stopped animating the windows when he move them around. It bothered him so much that he called in a geek squad guy. The geek squad guy said there was nothing he could do but reinstall win7 OS. Wanted to charge him $200 for it. My g/f and I happened to walk in at the time. My g/f told her dad to let me try fixing it. He hesitated (because I wasn't a geek squad... and geek squad knows everything, right?), and said sure why not. It took me a whole 2 minutes to fix his problem. All I did was went into the windows animation settings and reset the damn thing.
Think about it. He came this close to paying $200 for a geek squad know-it-all to re-install windows for a settings problem.
To this day, I still write to reviewers every time they got something wrong. What's disappointing is after I've written my lengthy correction, they still get it wrong in their next review. The TF keyboard is a perfect example. Back in May, reviewers were all criticizing the TF keyboard for not having the option to disable the touchpad. I promptly wrote to every one of them informing them of the 4th button from the left top row. The same reviewers are now *****ing about the prime keyboard not having the option to disable the touchpad. It seems like these guys picked up the TF, xoom, or whatever, used it for a whole 5 minutes, and then declare themselves experts of all things tablets. It's effing annoying as hell reading their reviews. They get so many things wrong!
In addition, most of the tech industry have been taken over by apple fanboys. Take a look at the following article written just a few days ago.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/01/ces-tablets-redemption/all/1
Notice that the transformer was not mentioned at all in that article. Instead, the writer pointed to all the failed tablets (xoom, touchpad, etc.) declaring them to be the only examples of non-ipad tablets. As a matter of fact, even as the prime is being rolled out, reviewers continue to ignore the asus TF/TFP. Despite the fact that the TF is now the most successful android tablet, reviewers still want to pretend like it doesn't exist and that the game really is about between the ipad2 and the xoom.
But I guess I'm just a nobody and they are reviewers so they must know everything there is to know about these devices.
Its called ignorance
So about taking notes with a pen like the JotPro, is it cool? I mean would you guys go into a semi important meeting with just the prime and no paper?
And is there a note taking app that lets you rest your hand on the tablet in any way while writing (some dedicated space would be fine i guess)?
->nevermind this, just found that in another thread:
(5) Writepad stylus - note taking app with palm rejection, meaning you can rest your hand on the screen and still be able to write. Can save your notes as pdf docs.
Had the jot pro, disliked it enough that I returned it this morning. Half of the time it missed the lines I was writing. I switched to a targus and it works much better. I think the JOt Pro has such a small surface that it just lost connectivity with the screen. I tested it on a screen with no protection on it btw. It probably would have been worse with a screen protector.
I have not found a note taking app that does good with hand rejection. I just use the hover above method.
That being said, I do only take the Prime to meetings, no paper, and take notes all the time. Works great.
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Trust me, if you put conductive grease in your jot ball, you won't see any difference between using that on the TF or TFP and a tablet with digitizer.
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I Googled "conductive grease" and found around 20 different options on the first page of websites plus the dude at bestbuy never herd of it. If you could give me a link to a product to look for that would be fantastic. By chance do you have a screen protector on your tablet?
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I Googled "conductive grease" and found around 20 different options on the first page of websites plus the dude at bestbuy never herd of it. If you could give me a link to a product to look for that would be fantastic. By chance do you have a screen protector on your tablet?
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(1) I just talked to the entire tablet department of bestbuy and none of them knew the tegra 3 had a 5th core.
(2) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BODU66/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details
(3) I don't use a screen protector. Been using it since may. Not a single scratch on my screen. And I don't even have a sleeve for it.
I was very curious about this, it looks like it works great on the galaxy note particularly because it has a fine tip rather than the thick ones
I was curious to see if anyone has tried it on their prime or on another tablet and if it works well or not cuz im really interested in getting one if it does?
i dont know about samsung s-pen, but htc ST C400 almost dosn't work on prime ^(
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I was very curious about this, it looks like it works great on the galaxy note particularly because it has a fine tip rather than the thick ones
I was curious to see if anyone has tried it on their prime or on another tablet and if it works well or not cuz im really interested in getting one if it does?
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Of course it doesn't work. Different technologies, the galaxy note uses a wacom digitizer which is pressure sensitive and compactive thus it can us a fine point stylus. While the TFP uses a now standard compactive digitizer it can only use those fat point stylus. But since the TFP's digitizer is made by atmel, Atmel themselves said they were going to release a stylus called maxstylus which is a fine point stylus and is compatible with atmels digitizer.
I was wondering if the "wacom technology" is a software thing or real hardware parts (like on the wacom tablets)
as far as i know the wacom pens send the info to the surface, the surface itself doesn't recognise pressure. If "just" software reads out the capacative infos shouldn't it be possible to get the drivers and drawing software from the note onto the prime?
I'm just thinking out loud here, i have no hard information. but I am very interested, if a port would somehow be possible ^^
Just to address some stuff here...
A Wacom digitizer is a combination of hardware and software technology that exists both in the tablet and the stylus. The sensors in the tablet screens are sensitive to the nibs of digitizer pens.
The Amtel MaxStylus has already been confirmed to not work on the TF201. The chip that is in the TF201 would only support the pen on a 7" screen or smaller.
Wow, that's disappointing.
Will the Prime ever get some stylus love?
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Wow, that's disappointing.
Will the Prime ever get some stylus love?
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Take a look at the accessories forum for the TF201...there are recommendations for capacitive styli that may work for you.
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Take a look at the accessories forum for the TF201...there are recommendations for capacitive styli that may work for you.
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I use a Amazon capacitive, less accuracy but works, Samsung isn't a normal stylus that's why they named it "S Pen"