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I recall about a month and a half ago, all of the xda peeps getting together and raising a big stink against viewsonic and nvidia about not supporting our choice of tablets, I also recall them saying that they were going to continue to support the tablet from that point on.
Well...... I haven't seen much from either of them and it seems that this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
First and foremost, this should not be in the development forum as it has nothing to do with development, it should be in General or Q/A.
To comment on your post, yes, we are probably **** out of luck.
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this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
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It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
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It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
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LOL ! ! RIP GTAB
actually there may be little stink becuase some people have realized that we dont' need VS to provide us what we need. They let the 1.2 bootloader out of hte bag, then closed the bag back up, rather quickly. The 1.2 bootloader is the same bootloader that Notion Ink uses on the Adam, also produced by Malata, also with the Tegra 2 Harmony hardware, and now also with the same bootloader as the G-Tablet.
So, since we've accepted that VS is going to be the proverbial dead beat dad, we've noticed that Notion Ink is a tad more responsible. So, what dad won't provide, maybe we can get from stepdad.
It's rumored that Notion Ink is getting an official GB update, with drivers from Nvidea. All VS had to do was make it possible for G-Tablet devs to port roms from Adam (done with 1.2 bootloader) and tada, they no longer need to support the device, because they can rely on others to do it for them.
We'd like them to continue providing updates, or at least admit that we are still here, but we don't necessarily NEED them to do it anymore.
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What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
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There are new and fresh ROMs around for the tablet. Our "community" is fairly large and crosses many forums.
are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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Just have a look around. Roebeet is working on a HC port. Adam evs have begun working on a port for HC, and Roe is working on fixing the bugs to make it work on the G-Tablet. It's still in Alpha versions, but has caused some pretty big waves in the community...but, video drivers are proviing to be the deal breaker there right now, too.
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are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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The CM7.1 nightlies are GB and have some hardware acceleration built-in now.
Sorry about posting in rom dev. I always check here first and was saddened by the lack of new items coming in.
It isn't just the software that I'm speaking of, what about all the hardware that other tablet vendors have available the docking stations actually made for their tablets, the cases and covers that fit without any modifications.
I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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That sounds like a sales pitch to me. Just because some people don't realize the potential of a product, doesn't make that product extinct.
My buyer's remorse is increasing...
They had 7" Galaxy Tabs on Woot.com for $260 yesterday. I wish I knew they were going to be lowered in price so much in anticipation of the 10" version coming soon, because I would gladly have bought one of these instead...
I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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Just becuase it doesn't have the latest and greatest that a $800.00 tablet has, it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
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I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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Seriously ! Samsung is just as bad as VS when it comes to support in any way. Be happy with your purchase and in a year get a transformer when the price drops to 250 and it already has a fat stack of roms to play with.
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...it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
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I read about it quite a bit here prior to my purchase and knew that I'd be able to at least get it rocking a solid and clean froyo.. If I can get GB and/or HC on it eventually that's just icing on the cake for me.. (I say eventually, because I won't jump until hw vid accel is nearly 100%)
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I look forward to kalel and the ice cream sandwich future. The only thing interesting to me in honeycomb are the pinch more tablet specific apps and the new 3.1 usb compatibility.
I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
as far as hardware and accessories, you'll just never get that with ANY android tablet. sure, you'll get some things from the manufacturer, like our dock, and official tablet, but there just isn't anything pushing third party vendors to make products specific to any android tablet. The main reason is that each tablet is just so different.
If we are going ot bite the bullet and insist n NOT getting an iThing, then we have ot accept that we won't have as many iAccessories or iDocks, or iCases, etc.
I bought a zune...2 of them actually, knowing that I wouldn't be able ot use any of the plethora of accessories that were made for the iPod.
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I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
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No Netflix.
Yes, I know there's another thread with the same title, more than likely right below this one. I have different questions though and wanted to make sure my thread was seen. Sorry if that upsets you. Anyway...
I've been debating back and forth to get a tablet lately for a variety of reasons. I want something that can be used for school, something my son can enjoy, something for trips, etc, etc. I am no stranger to the Android OS in general, as I have an HTC Inspire 4G running RCMix3D KINGDOM v2.0. So my question isn't so much about the device, but more about my options once I purchase it.
At $250.00 through Amazon.com I would be stupid not to get this tablet over the Archos 101 in my opinion. It's twice the specs at only 20 or 30 more dollars. Anyway, on to my question... Once I get the tablet in hand, what ROM should I use that will be stable and fast, but also give me the most bang for my buck? Side question here is if it's also possible to get HTC Sense working on this device at all?
As well as that, what's this I hear about this device dual booting with Windows 7? I read that it could, then that it couldn't, then that it was another Viewsonic device that could and got confused with the G tab. What's the real deal here? Google has not been my friend on this particular question.
the Gtablet will not run windows. There is another Viewsonic device that does have dual boot, but it's most definitely not this one.
As far as the other questions, I'll let somebody else address them, as I'm pretty much committed to never recommending any viewsonic device to anybody that I may have respect for. I'm in full on boycott mode, here.
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As far as the other questions, I'll let somebody else address them, as I'm pretty much committed to never recommending any viewsonic device to anybody that I may have respect for. I'm in full on boycott mode, here.
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Care to go into that statement at all? I'd like to hear what happened, specifically if it pertains to the device in question that I'm about to buy.
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Care to go into that statement at all? I'd like to hear what happened, specifically if it pertains to the device in question that I'm about to buy.
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Read the thread in the general section entitled "disappointed at Viewsonic." I'll sum it up for you:
gtablet released, people bought it, software sucked, Viewsonic releases a series of updates to improve their horrible firmware. It doesn't matter, becuase people started using exclusively 3rd party roms to make it a useful tablet, not a hunk of junk.
Viewsonic released it's last update in January. It was update 1.1.3588. i bought my Gtablet in March. No joke, the day after I received it in the mail, there was a campaign unleashed to attempt to get Viewsonic ot update their firmware yet again, since it was used for the source for some roms...things needed fixed still, etc.
In April, because of hte pressure, they released an update 1.2.4349. It changed the bootloader of the Gtablet, which is why there are roms made for 2 different bootloaders. Unfortunately, this 4349 update did very little to fix existing issues and caused some others. For instance, Gtablet stock firmware users lost HD video playback, and the ability to change wallpapers.
And then....silence for (let's see, it's July, that was April) 3 months so far. I know that 3 months doesn't sound like much, but the device has only been available for 8 months.
The bigger issue is that the 4349 update was pulled 24 hours after it's release. So, anyone that updated to it had no way of reverting back to 3588, where things worked a bit. they've also been selling them in Woot Tiger Direct and Amazon deals with the broken 4349 firmware preinstalled.
In addition, they outsourced their customer support to a company called US Merchants, a repackager (their name is also on the back of the tablets, too) who really know nothing about technology, or customer support. They even, at one point, pointed tech support questioners to THIS forum to get support.
Now, Notion Ink Adam and Advent vega have identical hardware to the Gtablet. Vega's OS was superior and then ported to the gtablet (VegaNTab). Notion Ink is actually attempting to get Honeycomb to run on their devices, with the help of the 3rd party developer community. What has Viewsonic done for their customer base....that's right, NOTHING.
The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I had an online chat with Viewsonic technical support. I asked a simple question of "Peggy," "Is Viewsonic intending on updating their firmware, or attempting to request drivers from NVidea so that 3rd party developers can work on accelerated gingerbread and honeycomb roms?"
The answer I received was to call (US Mechants) for technical support, that they handle the Gtablet, now. I asked if anyone at Viewsonic had anything to do with the Gtablet, and they responded that they "Have no informaiton regarding the Gtablet in their resources." To me, that read, Viewsonic no longer develops or supports the Gtablet in any way.
SO...buy it if you will, 3rd party development is wonderful for this thing. even the Froyo Roms are exceptional to work with. I'm running Calkulin/Clemsyn combo, and it's great. The tablet hardware is excellent, the 3rd party development is top rate, but if you ever expect the manufacturer ever give a ****, then I suggest you get an Acer Iconia, Motorola Xoom, or Asus Transformer. I know that Motorola has already updated their OS from 3.0 to 3.1, then 3.2. We've been on 2.2, then, slightly better 2.2, then oh wait, let's break 2.2, then your stuck on broken 2.2.
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Read the thread in the general section entitled "disappointed at Viewsonic." I'll sum it up for you:...
...then your stuck on broken 2.2.
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First off, shortened the quote because I don't feel people wanna read 8000 lines of the same text. But anyway, I loved your "review" of the product and the background. Basically what I got from it was that it's a great device, with plenty of options that go with it if you are willing, and that manufacturer support absolutely sucks on this device. Kind of sucks too becuase I do like it, but it also makes me not want to give my $250.00 to a company that couldn't give two ****s about the product they sell.
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First off, shortened the quote because I don't feel people wanna read 8000 lines of the same text. But anyway, I loved your "review" of the product and the background. Basically what I got from it was that it's a great device, with plenty of options that go with it if you are willing, and that manufacturer support absolutely sucks on this device. Kind of sucks too becuase I do like it, but it also makes me not want to give my $250.00 to a company that couldn't give two ****s about the product they sell.
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I like your nutshell...
Alternatives aren't as bad as you might think. My stepfather bought an iconia a week ago from staples for $299...of course, he used a $100 off coupon they had. Be patient and another deal will be around shortly.
I have some ideas for 2nd init that I am going to try today. Going to see exactly how 2nd init on the X used a hijack zip rather than just init.rc like we have now. It seems like it's executing in the right spot. Just not loading what we need to.
Sounds Pike a good start keep us posted. This is exciting
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Good stuff...u gonna be on IRC today?
Ill be checking it occasionally when I have time...at work now.
good luck
Well I cant do much today but I looked at some more documentation on the atrix's 2nd init and the actual init part came straight from the Defy like the x's did. Going to try making a wrapper to load the x's hijack which should load a hijack zip and then we could load everything properly. Our 2nd init works via moto_charge_mode or w/e that bin is (something like that) which is why it needs to be plugged in to drop into 2nd init. So I was gonna write a wrapper to try and load the hijack bin from the X since we don't natively have a hijack file. Essentially what it will do is try to load charge_mode and then the actual file would load hijack inside of it. We did something similar to delay the RIL loading on the D2G
Its nice to know you are actually doing something with the phone. Last time we donated a phone to a dev, we didn't hear a peep from him until he said he was getting rid of it to CVPCS. Which is good he got it to CVPCS but he never kept us updated. I for one love knowing what's going on and wish you the best of luck in getting us some CM7 and MIUI love. I can't wait to make hybrid of my Molten ROM and CM7
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Its nice to know you are actually doing something with the phone. Last time we donated a phone to a dev, we didn't hear a peep from him until he said he was getting rid of it to CVPCS. Which is good he got it to CVPCS but he never kept us updated. I for one love knowing what's going on and wish you the best of luck in getting us some CM7 and MIUI love. I can't wait to make hybrid of my Molten ROM and CM7
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Wow that was lame of him lol. Anyways I am doing it because I started falling out of love with my d2g after seeing the X. Not to mention it wasn't a challenge anymore to work on. I do see a lot of potential in the phone given that it scores the same as my D2G in quadrant with my ICS MIUI rom when I have gingerblur on the phone. So it impressed me a bit, especially since it doesnt have neon.
Edit: Speaking of cvpcs I have been keeping in touch with him via twitter as well. I get along with all the other devs out there =). Haven't gotten to touch base with koush yet but I do speak to p3droid and cvpcs from time to time.
This is good news. I've been dying for CM7 since I heard of it after I got the X2.
Keep up the good work and if there's anything I can do to help out just let me know.
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cvpcs from what I can gather from his twitter is trying to port ICS over to the X and isn't (and pretty much has no plans to) helping us with the X2.
And ace, I think you're doing is right in theory, but I know we aren't going to be able to use charge_only_mode to use the hijack/2nd-init unless we're going to want to plug in our phones to the wall every time we turn on the phone. The reason our BSR uses it is because you can't draw to the screen without certain services being started (which are started when charge_only_mode is). We aren't going to need those services started if we're just going to hijack and then 2nd-init. I can show you the script I use to hijack/2nd-init for porting over the CWMR and the one I have for when I was working on CM7. It's basically like the hijack binary that is compiled for the X and the others, but in a shell script (that works for our phone).
Also, PM me if you ever need to bounce ideas off of me or want me to try something out.
Yeah, shoot whatever you got to me. I wonder if we could use just a wrapper for hijack. Idk if anyone has tried that yet. Those services may not start inside the bin. idk enough about the charge only mode except it kicks off when its plugged in
If you could just post that here or get it to me as well i would be interested. I have not seen any actual implementation that works on the x2 so far so i would be super interested in what you have done.
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cvpcs from what I can gather from his twitter is trying to port ICS over to the X and isn't (and pretty much has no plans to) helping us with the X2.
And ace, I think you're doing is right in theory, but I know we aren't going to be able to use charge_only_mode to use the hijack/2nd-init unless we're going to want to plug in our phones to the wall every time we turn on the phone. The reason our BSR uses it is because you can't draw to the screen without certain services being started (which are started when charge_only_mode is). We aren't going to need those services started if we're just going to hijack and then 2nd-init. I can show you the script I use to hijack/2nd-init for porting over the CWMR and the one I have for when I was working on CM7. It's basically like the hijack binary that is compiled for the X and the others, but in a shell script (that works for our phone).
Also, PM me if you ever need to bounce ideas off of me or want me to try something out.
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=( the motherboard I bought for my thinkpad was bad. Just contacted the seller (it was supposed to be 100% tested.... yeah..) It isn't that it doesn't turn on... its the it has bad ram on the gpu in it. I get screen corruption in the bios, in windows (in windows it's so bad it bsod's) and on and off the dock. That wrecked my plans yesterday to dev at night. Like I said, I can use my work laptop.... just sucks having to adb push everything. Not to mention my thinkpad has a more complete set of tools. I don't have the rom signer or anything else on here. I even have my boot.img decompiler on there.
You need an early christmas gift for yourself man! There are some pretty good laptops out there for under $400. Not going to set any speed records, but they have some pretty high end tech in them that is only a generation or so old. I was looking for laptops for both my parents and came across a ton of good deals! I personally prefer my built desktops though.
PC Direct is down the road from me, so I trust them a lot. Here are a couple examples.
http://pcdirect.com/laptops/hppadv15wiam.html
http://pcdirect.com/ganv15lawiin.html
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You need an early christmas gift for yourself man! There are some pretty good laptops out there for under $400. Not going to set any speed records, but they have some pretty high end tech in them that is only a generation or so old. I was looking for laptops for both my parents and came across a ton of good deals! I personally prefer my built desktops though.
PC Direct is down the road from me, so I trust them a lot. Here are a couple examples.
http://pcdirect.com/laptops/hppadv15wiam.html
http://pcdirect.com/ganv15lawiin.html
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Eh, my thinkpad is a t60p (came out in late 2006) It has a Core Duo 2.16 ghz, 4 GB of ram and a dedicated video card. My old one had a FireGL V5250 but the new board only has an X1400 in it. So it's pretty decent imo. My work laptop is an Elitebook 8440p and is much more powerful... Just that its much more locked down too lol. The seller did say he's shipping a new motherboard tomorrow thankfully.
Edit: Oh and the hard drive is a 320 GB 7200 RPM drive
Edit2: yay, its not totally ruined lol. Safemode's framebuffer doesn't have any issues. So until my new board comes im gonna run it without the proper drivers =)
Ahh, well when I think of thinkpad I think of my girlfriends old POS that I taught her how to swing a sledge hammer at after I bought her a new Sony Vaio Z Series lol.
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Eh, my thinkpad is a t60p (came out in late 2006) It has a Core Duo 2.16 ghz, 4 GB of ram and a dedicated video card. My old one had a FireGL V5250 but the new board only has an X1400 in it. So it's pretty decent imo. My work laptop is an Elitebook 8440p and is much more powerful... Just that its much more locked down too lol. The seller did say he's shipping a new motherboard tomorrow thankfully.
Edit: Oh and the hard drive is a 320 GB 7200 RPM drive
Edit2: yay, its not totally ruined lol. Safemode's framebuffer doesn't have any issues. So until my new board comes im gonna run it without the proper drivers =)
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I checked and i don't have any IBM's, but i have a lot of Dell, Alienware, and Asus. I mostly pick those to work on because of exandability. What would be an ideal laptop you would need for development? (screen size, cpu, gpu)? Of all the laptops i ever had i must say Fujitsu are my favorite by far, if you have/had one you understand. I don't have any portables except for a dell D430 12" only thing is that it has a zif drive not the fastest
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I checked and i don't have any IBM's, but i have a lot of Dell, Alienware, and Asus. I mostly pick those to work on because of exandability. What would be an ideal laptop you would need for development? (screen size, cpu, gpu)?
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Under 15 inches. At least a dual core, support DDR2 (Since thats the only ram I have, unless you throw some in) For gpu, anything but Intel and hopefully discrete if possible. Not going to be picky lol. Just needs to be similar to my thinkpad. My thinkpad has seen better days, thats for sure. Not gonna lie, they're tough mother ****ers. I actually jumped on mine with the lid shut before to show it won't hurt the screen.
I've been working in IT for over 15+ years and personally own about 6 IBM laptops, I'm also Lenovo Warranty Repair Certified and I'd still not jump on those things to prove their durability.
I've seen sales reps break their screens by sitting things on them much lighter than I am. I think the only laptop I would ever say would probably be OK if I jumped on it is a toughbook. Even then, I'm not sure proving its durability that way is all that sensible
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I've been working in IT for over 15+ years and personally own about 6 IBM laptops, I'm also Lenovo Warranty Repair Certified and I'd still not jump on those things to prove their durability.
I've seen sales reps break their screens by sitting things on them much lighter than I am. I think the only laptop I would ever say would probably be OK if I jumped on it is a toughbook. Even then, I'm not sure proving its durability that way is all that sensible
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Heh, I've been working on laptops for quite awhile myself. A+ and HP, Dell certified with experience in other brands but not certified yet. Essentially I knew it was reinforced with magnesium alloy (same stuff alloy rims are made of) plus I positioned my feet to not land dead center lol. I haven't had a support position for awhile but I still know my stuff. I script at the place I work at now.
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u do for Ritalin tho hahahaha.
sorry im done. I couldn't resist that one lol
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Don't you remember what happened in south park? They ended up having to take ritalout! XD
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Wow someone got po'd. My work laptop works fine. It's my thinkpad that doesnt. I brought up my thinkpad mobo that I brought being bad because people donated to help me get one. Stuff is still being worked on. I just havent had anything to report new yet =) Except that I am still waiting on Dragonzkiller to shoot me his files.
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Good luck, he got Skyrim! LOL.
In my opinion if you are here on xda you have general knowledge about android, rooting, multiple devices and development in general. I also believe that you probably know the tech industry decently well and follow the lifeline of a multitude of devices including android..So i pose this question to all you brand new xda prime owners...
Why would you buy a first generation transformer prime when you know it will probably have major defects that will be corrected in the second generation? I find it ridiculous that you complain about all these problem like you didnt know there would be hiccups in both design and software. We all know that when a new device launches the chances of it being "perfect" are slim to none in the first generation. This is why we wait until the second generation so all the flaws of the first are corrected.
So why is it when ever a new device launches all you smart, educated and sensible xda members turn into ignorant, over-enthusiastic tech noobs that blow their money on a device they end up RMA'ing within the first week? Does all your experience with new devices just fly out the window when ever a new one is launched? I honestly would like to know because i really do not understand...
...just wondering
What an extremely interesting thread start!
I just want to thank you for this very interesting question and I hope it's plenty of them to come! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
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There s a very simple answers to that.
We buy early product cause we love new stuff and are ready to pay the annoyance of returning 3 defective units just to be able to test those ourself.
Thoses issues have to be raised somewhere, by people that know what they re talking about: that's XDA.
Manufactures will also try to fix up known problems without thousands of rma send-ins. And "if" there would be a different model, i could imagine that they would completly remove the gps hardware - for example....
For me, the prime is a great step forward. I sold my TF101. Yes, its still far from beeing perfect, but thats just like the TF101 was at the beginning...
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There s a very simple answers to that.
We buy early product cause we love new stuff and are ready to pay the annoyance of returning 3 defective units just to be able to test those ourself.
Thoses issues have to be raised somewhere, by people that know what they re talking about: that's XDA.
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...while i see what your trying to say i dont agree. Im pretty sure on every thread i have read members here are not happy having to return defective units. Im pretty sure they would have preferred getting a good one the first time. Unfortunatey that leads back into my original question of why buy a first generation in the first place?
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Manufactures will also try to fix up known problems without thousands of rma send-ins. And "if" there would be a different model, i could imagine that they would completly remove the gps hardware - for example....
For me, the prime is a great step forward. I sold my TF101. Yes, its still far from beeing perfect, but thats just like the TF101 was at the beginning...
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Exactly my point! I own an original transformer and knew that the first generation would have problems. This is why i bought one after a couple months. Although i realy wanted one when it first came out i knew it was not smart. Sure enough, withing the first week i start hearing about power button issues, gps signals issues and keyboard dock issues.
Now dont get me wrong, the prime is amazing leap forward in tech and android. But my problem is not with the prime itself but with people buying the product literally the day its launched without allowing time for asus to fix any problems that come up.
I would expect people not really versed is android and tech, not members here on xda, to be early adopters and complaining about not getting simple functions like gps to work.
For me its a combination of awesome specs on paper, and the chance to get a unit that IS perfect (apparently there are some! )
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For me its a combination of awesome specs on paper, and the chance to get a unit that IS perfect (apparently there are some! )
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Haha true the specs do look awesome, but from the reports im seeing no one has a unit that is completely free of the gps issue. This is a complete design flaw that is currently being corrected for the second generation.
Well, based on Asus history, there won't really be a 'second generation Prime'. Next generation prime will be their next Transformer, possibly released in second half of this year.
The only difference so far has been the very first Primes that were recalled due to WiFi antennae issues. That's the only change we'll see.
Of course I may be wrong, but it is very unlikely that Asus will redesign current Prime's to work better with GPS and have less screen issues. It just isn't what they have done in the past.
That is not completely true. I bought first generation of GTAB 7, GTAB 10.1 and Galaxy Note among many other things in the past. I dont recall any hardware defects. Maybe some firmware or software glitches. Companies do through tests, prototypes and final tests before releasing products. We know that in business sciences every few units in the production line ( the first and the last ones) tend to be defective due to human faults. Tiredness, lack of attention, etc... That is said, this is the first time a company as big as Asus released a product without noticing that metal can prevent GPS signals. That is a first time in the recent past.
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Well, based on Asus history, there won't really be a 'second generation Prime'. Next generation prime will be their next Transformer, possibly released in second half of this year.
The only difference so far has been the very first Primes that were recalled due to WiFi antennae issues. That's the only change we'll see.
Of course I may be wrong, but it is very unlikely that Asus will redesign current Prime's to work better with GPS and have less screen issues. It just isn't what they have done in the past.
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Thats not true at all. Based on asus history they probably will have a second generation. Look at the original transformer. The dock was completely changed from the b50 models to the b60 to address the power drain issue ( could not be fixed with OTA update on models before). ALso to address the power button issue the design was tweaked in later models to avoid power button failures
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That is not completely true. I bought first generation of GTAB 7, GTAB 10.1 and Galaxy Note among many other things in the past. I dont recall any hardware defects. Maybe some firmware or software glitches. Companies do through tests, prototypes and final tests before releasing products. We know that in business sciences every few units in the production line ( the first and the last ones) tend to be defective due to human faults. Tiredness, lack of attention, etc... That is said, this is the first time a company as big as Asus released a product without noticing that metal can prevent GPS signals. That is a first time in the recent past.
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Im not sure about the galaxys as i have not owned any but im sure there were defects on some of their units as well. Yes you were probably one of the lucky consumers to purchase a product first generation and not have an issue. But you yourself just awknowledged that flaws are seen at the beginning and end of production lines. SO why would you take the risk of buying a first generation when you know thats when you are most likely to get a defective unit? Thats my question...
Its kinda like when you meet a woman .... you would do almost anything to get in her knickers ... regardless of her defects and instabilities.
After time you notice the defects and they start to piss you off ... the initial buzz you got subsides a bit untill a new update / model comes out that sets you off again ...
Tis the lure of something you dont have m'lad ... the grass is always greener on the other side n all that.
P.S. ... my mrs will never read this lol
Danny-B- said:
Its kinda like when you meet a woman .... you would do almost anything to get in her knickers ... regardless of her defects and instabilities.
After time you notice the defects and they start to piss you off ... the initial buzz you got subsides a bit untill a new update / model comes out that sets you off again ...
Tis the lure of something you dont have m'lad ... the grass is always greener on the other side n all that.
P.S. ... my mrs will never read this lol
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Hahahahaha awesome post. Almost woke my mrs up reading this. But right you are sir...right you are!
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And "if" there would be a different model, i could imagine that they would completly remove the gps hardware - for example....
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No they won't. Google requires GPS.
I buy first generation anything, then I buy second generation, then third, etc etc. It's all about having the latest and greatest to me, and money is no object. I frankly don't care about some of these issues, nor ***** about them. The prime is still an amazing tablet, and if I need GPS I use my phone. I will never use a tablet for GPS.
For me, I will always have the best that's out.
chugger93 said:
I buy first generation anything, then I buy second generation, then third, etc etc. It's all about having the latest and greatest to me, and money is no object. I frankly don't care about some of these issues, nor ***** about them. The prime is still an amazing tablet, and if I need GPS I use my phone. I will never use a tablet for GPS.
For me, I will always have the best that's out.
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Then why do you have the HTC EVO Shift 4G? That's not a really new phone..
chugger93 said:
I buy first generation anything, then I buy second generation, then third, etc etc. It's all about having the latest and greatest to me, and money is no object. I frankly don't care about some of these issues, nor ***** about them. The prime is still an amazing tablet, and if I need GPS I use my phone. I will never use a tablet for GPS.
For me, I will always have the best that's out.
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uh huh...so you buy 3 generations of the same device? Cant argue with frivolousness...
JoeyLe said:
Then why do you have the HTC EVO Shift 4G? That's not a really new phone..
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haha good point
pierrekid said:
In my opinion if you are here on xda you have general knowledge about android, rooting, multiple devices and development in general. I also believe that you probably know the tech industry decently well and follow the lifeline of a multitude of devices including android..So i pose this question to all you brand new xda prime owners...
Why would you buy a first generation transformer prime when you know it will probably have major defects that will be corrected in the second generation? I find it ridiculous that you complain about all these problem like you didnt know there would be hiccups in both design and software. We all know that when a new device launches the chances of it being "perfect" are slim to none in the first generation. This is why we wait until the second generation so all the flaws of the first are corrected.
So why is it when ever a new device launches all you smart, educated and sensible xda members turn into ignorant, over-enthusiastic tech noobs that blow their money on a device they end up RMA'ing within the first week? Does all your experience with new devices just fly out the window when ever a new one is launched? I honestly would like to know because i really do not understand...
...just wondering
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Android, meet Pierre, because you clearly haven't met yet. Android doesn't have a "perfect" device. Perfect means old and antiquated. Apple makes perfect devices that are always technologically behind for the sake of "stability".
If you have watched the progression of Android you will know that they don't really make "second-generation" devices. It's always onward and upward with newer CPUs and GPUs and SoCs and FMLs .
"What we've got here is (a) failure to communicate". You are right that we on XDA are not the normal consumer. We are not who companies ::cough:Apple:cough::, excuse me, market their "perfect" devices to. In fact, for the sake of rooting/unlocking we rely on imperfections so the best among us can open our devices and let the games begin.
Technically, the Prime is a second generation device as it is the second of it's line. Following the original Transformer. TF201, meet your slower overweight older brother TF101. We love him just as much as you ::cough:bull****:cough::. As such I was certainly expecting this device to be exactly on par or better than the TF101 in every single regard. It is supposed to be better, faster, stronger and it fails in the better and the stronger. The biggest problem is that these problems should have been caught in the design phases.
I get the image of some incredulous electrical engineer looking around the table during R&D just waiting for someone to say "Hey ****tards, ALUMINUM BLOCKS RF FFS". I imagine this was a colossal blunder caused by group diffusion of responsibility allowed to go so far that ASUS had no way out. The initial supply issues were likely due to the real world tests showing the mistake. They decided to ship the device out and pray that they made enough money from people who didn't notice the problems. This seems unlikely in some regards, but I look at what happened. I pray that my limited understanding, I used to work as and electrician so I know more about light switches than chipsets, is wholly incorrect and they can fix this stuff in software. I don't suspect the bluetooth killing wifi can be attributed to bounce back from the aluminum rear panel but that doesn't rule it out.
Basically what has happened here is not the growing pains of bleeding edge technology. We are seeing a major fiasco that will go down in history. It will be listed in some book one day next to the iPhone Deathgrip.
EDIT: To be clear, I couldn't give two ****s about GPS. I use maps on the tablet to look things up when I have and idea where they are and need to manipulate the map, but I have my phone and a Garmin unit for navigation. The tablet is too big and beautiful to waste on GPS anyway. My problem is that I cant use it to play music on my car stereo via Google Music because the second I turn on bluetooth my WiFi tethered from my Galaxy Nexus fails within 2 minutes at the longest. This is while the Original transformer works in the same condition for hours. Unacceptable.
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Then why do you have the HTC EVO Shift 4G? That's not a really new phone..
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keyboard says it all
No more CMXX for Tegra 2, at the very least not officially. This is due to the lack of Neon support on our chips. Just wanted to let erybody know.
If some one want to read it:
https://plus.google.com/117962666888533781522/posts/8wcuSVkr7zR
Well, it's not exactly that. CM10.1 doesn't have anything with NEON, but the keyboard, and it's easy replaceable.
But, as they suguess, probably, we won't get anything beyond CM10.1 - At least working at 100%.
It's a sad notice in did. But we will have Atrix for a while. Don't get upset. .
EDIT: If you read the comments, they said that maybe it's posible to emulate NEON instruction set. That might kill some RAM and CPU/GPU power, but if worth it, worth it. .
Well, since there are no official CM releases for the Atrix beyond CM7, I don't see how this is relevant. Besides, it's the Gapps that will explicitly require NEON support (for now). If KLP runs using the current Gapps, then we're in the clear. If not, well, this phone is getting to its 3rd year. That's, like, ancient in the tech world. And JB already brought a massive amount of improvement over Froyo anyway. Sticking to CM10.1 isn't such a bad idea, methinks.
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Well, since there are no official CM releases for the Atrix beyond CM7, I don't see how this is relevant. Besides, it's the Gapps that will explicitly require NEON support (for now). If KLP runs using the current Gapps, then we're in the clear. If not, well, this phone is getting to its 3rd year. That's, like, ancient in the tech world. And JB already brought a massive amount of improvement over Froyo anyway. Sticking to CM10.1 isn't such a bad idea, methinks.
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I didn't mean to come off as complaining. And I think it is relevant because this is a Tegra 2 device, one that soon could earn official CM releases since we'll have an appropriate kernel. Just wanted to share some news. All I care about is PlayStore and GMail myself, so not a huge loss here.
EDIT this is general. Why WAS THIS MMOOOVED?!
Nah but seriously.
I agree with quetzalcoatl2435, this is a 3 years old device, and ok, some of us have get the device late, maybe less than a year ago, but still a old device.
But, even that way, even if we stick to 4.2 - There is some hugh progress about that. Android 4.2 is like Android as it should have been always.
Plus, if you can notice, Google is moving to release the system apps in Google Play, it start with Keyboard, but I keep hoping they release Contacts, because it's the best contacts app.
Yeah, you could miss something, we are not losing, we won already. We won because we are a community, and we could made it beyond what motorola said that we could.
m1k3_ said:
I agree with quetzalcoatl2435, this is a 3 years old device, and ok, some of us have get the device late, maybe less than a year ago, but still a old device.
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I wish I knew why people keep saying it's a 3 year old phone. It's not even two and a half years old yet in the US, and barely a tick over 2 years old in the UK.
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I don't think it matters how old it is period. 1) That wasn't the point of the thread, it was to share the news. and 2) If it can run future versions, it can run future versions. Time is not a huge factor.
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I don't think it matters how old it is period. 1) That wasn't the point of the thread, it was to share the news. and 2) If it can run future versions, it can run future versions. Time is not a huge factor.
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Exactly on all points, which is why seeing posts like that irritate me.