Yes, I know there's another thread with the same title, more than likely right below this one. I have different questions though and wanted to make sure my thread was seen. Sorry if that upsets you. Anyway...
I've been debating back and forth to get a tablet lately for a variety of reasons. I want something that can be used for school, something my son can enjoy, something for trips, etc, etc. I am no stranger to the Android OS in general, as I have an HTC Inspire 4G running RCMix3D KINGDOM v2.0. So my question isn't so much about the device, but more about my options once I purchase it.
At $250.00 through Amazon.com I would be stupid not to get this tablet over the Archos 101 in my opinion. It's twice the specs at only 20 or 30 more dollars. Anyway, on to my question... Once I get the tablet in hand, what ROM should I use that will be stable and fast, but also give me the most bang for my buck? Side question here is if it's also possible to get HTC Sense working on this device at all?
As well as that, what's this I hear about this device dual booting with Windows 7? I read that it could, then that it couldn't, then that it was another Viewsonic device that could and got confused with the G tab. What's the real deal here? Google has not been my friend on this particular question.
the Gtablet will not run windows. There is another Viewsonic device that does have dual boot, but it's most definitely not this one.
As far as the other questions, I'll let somebody else address them, as I'm pretty much committed to never recommending any viewsonic device to anybody that I may have respect for. I'm in full on boycott mode, here.
TJEvans said:
As far as the other questions, I'll let somebody else address them, as I'm pretty much committed to never recommending any viewsonic device to anybody that I may have respect for. I'm in full on boycott mode, here.
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Care to go into that statement at all? I'd like to hear what happened, specifically if it pertains to the device in question that I'm about to buy.
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Care to go into that statement at all? I'd like to hear what happened, specifically if it pertains to the device in question that I'm about to buy.
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Read the thread in the general section entitled "disappointed at Viewsonic." I'll sum it up for you:
gtablet released, people bought it, software sucked, Viewsonic releases a series of updates to improve their horrible firmware. It doesn't matter, becuase people started using exclusively 3rd party roms to make it a useful tablet, not a hunk of junk.
Viewsonic released it's last update in January. It was update 1.1.3588. i bought my Gtablet in March. No joke, the day after I received it in the mail, there was a campaign unleashed to attempt to get Viewsonic ot update their firmware yet again, since it was used for the source for some roms...things needed fixed still, etc.
In April, because of hte pressure, they released an update 1.2.4349. It changed the bootloader of the Gtablet, which is why there are roms made for 2 different bootloaders. Unfortunately, this 4349 update did very little to fix existing issues and caused some others. For instance, Gtablet stock firmware users lost HD video playback, and the ability to change wallpapers.
And then....silence for (let's see, it's July, that was April) 3 months so far. I know that 3 months doesn't sound like much, but the device has only been available for 8 months.
The bigger issue is that the 4349 update was pulled 24 hours after it's release. So, anyone that updated to it had no way of reverting back to 3588, where things worked a bit. they've also been selling them in Woot Tiger Direct and Amazon deals with the broken 4349 firmware preinstalled.
In addition, they outsourced their customer support to a company called US Merchants, a repackager (their name is also on the back of the tablets, too) who really know nothing about technology, or customer support. They even, at one point, pointed tech support questioners to THIS forum to get support.
Now, Notion Ink Adam and Advent vega have identical hardware to the Gtablet. Vega's OS was superior and then ported to the gtablet (VegaNTab). Notion Ink is actually attempting to get Honeycomb to run on their devices, with the help of the 3rd party developer community. What has Viewsonic done for their customer base....that's right, NOTHING.
The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I had an online chat with Viewsonic technical support. I asked a simple question of "Peggy," "Is Viewsonic intending on updating their firmware, or attempting to request drivers from NVidea so that 3rd party developers can work on accelerated gingerbread and honeycomb roms?"
The answer I received was to call (US Mechants) for technical support, that they handle the Gtablet, now. I asked if anyone at Viewsonic had anything to do with the Gtablet, and they responded that they "Have no informaiton regarding the Gtablet in their resources." To me, that read, Viewsonic no longer develops or supports the Gtablet in any way.
SO...buy it if you will, 3rd party development is wonderful for this thing. even the Froyo Roms are exceptional to work with. I'm running Calkulin/Clemsyn combo, and it's great. The tablet hardware is excellent, the 3rd party development is top rate, but if you ever expect the manufacturer ever give a ****, then I suggest you get an Acer Iconia, Motorola Xoom, or Asus Transformer. I know that Motorola has already updated their OS from 3.0 to 3.1, then 3.2. We've been on 2.2, then, slightly better 2.2, then oh wait, let's break 2.2, then your stuck on broken 2.2.
TJEvans said:
Read the thread in the general section entitled "disappointed at Viewsonic." I'll sum it up for you:...
...then your stuck on broken 2.2.
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First off, shortened the quote because I don't feel people wanna read 8000 lines of the same text. But anyway, I loved your "review" of the product and the background. Basically what I got from it was that it's a great device, with plenty of options that go with it if you are willing, and that manufacturer support absolutely sucks on this device. Kind of sucks too becuase I do like it, but it also makes me not want to give my $250.00 to a company that couldn't give two ****s about the product they sell.
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First off, shortened the quote because I don't feel people wanna read 8000 lines of the same text. But anyway, I loved your "review" of the product and the background. Basically what I got from it was that it's a great device, with plenty of options that go with it if you are willing, and that manufacturer support absolutely sucks on this device. Kind of sucks too becuase I do like it, but it also makes me not want to give my $250.00 to a company that couldn't give two ****s about the product they sell.
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I like your nutshell...
Alternatives aren't as bad as you might think. My stepfather bought an iconia a week ago from staples for $299...of course, he used a $100 off coupon they had. Be patient and another deal will be around shortly.
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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
Asus got its own perks... and besides viewing angles this tablet is doing what I need. I see no other issues unless you have to have HC OS.
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
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How does this help him? Buy an Asus, ipad, xoom or whatever the flavor of the week is?
The dev community and the price tag make the g tablet a win. If you were forced to run stock that's a different story.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Don't forget to mention that the touchscreen itself is a pain - hardly multi-touch at all.....
thebadfrog said:
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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All nice...but...none of this is what the OP asked. He/She wanted to know was this a good purchase at a good price. I'm sure he/she saw other tablets on the market and shopped within budget. There's always a step up you can spring for, show me a better tablet at or under $300.00 and I'll recant.
Should I buy the BMW, why not the Mercedes.
I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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I believe my response answered the OP
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
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is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
Quality is everything to me, my Xoom does everything I need and it's stable, plus it will most likely get regular updates to issues and featurees. Still, it looks like a great tablet compared the Galaxy Tab.
Sent from my HTC Dream
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Well that's good news. Enjoy, they're pretty much gone and many stores stopped accepting back orders.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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I didn't seriously consider any tablet when they were 400 dollars or over. I would buy an Asus down the line (when it is close to obsolete) when it hits 299.99 or lower.
However I was not aware Viewsonic did not support the G-Tablet very well. Is support in this forum from developers going to dry up in the next year? If I could get year out of this tablet I would be happy. Obviously I hoping for Gingerbread. Or Honeycomb rather? I am a newbie. (can't you tell?)
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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There are different factors too.... Look at the Nexus One. Still getting updates (albeit it's Google's), but TMobile is still pushing updates for the myTouch.... The Evo is 1yr old. Others are older and still getting development from the community at-large. A company's willingness to be open to the community contributes as well....
I recall about a month and a half ago, all of the xda peeps getting together and raising a big stink against viewsonic and nvidia about not supporting our choice of tablets, I also recall them saying that they were going to continue to support the tablet from that point on.
Well...... I haven't seen much from either of them and it seems that this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
First and foremost, this should not be in the development forum as it has nothing to do with development, it should be in General or Q/A.
To comment on your post, yes, we are probably **** out of luck.
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this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
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It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
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It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
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LOL ! ! RIP GTAB
actually there may be little stink becuase some people have realized that we dont' need VS to provide us what we need. They let the 1.2 bootloader out of hte bag, then closed the bag back up, rather quickly. The 1.2 bootloader is the same bootloader that Notion Ink uses on the Adam, also produced by Malata, also with the Tegra 2 Harmony hardware, and now also with the same bootloader as the G-Tablet.
So, since we've accepted that VS is going to be the proverbial dead beat dad, we've noticed that Notion Ink is a tad more responsible. So, what dad won't provide, maybe we can get from stepdad.
It's rumored that Notion Ink is getting an official GB update, with drivers from Nvidea. All VS had to do was make it possible for G-Tablet devs to port roms from Adam (done with 1.2 bootloader) and tada, they no longer need to support the device, because they can rely on others to do it for them.
We'd like them to continue providing updates, or at least admit that we are still here, but we don't necessarily NEED them to do it anymore.
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What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
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There are new and fresh ROMs around for the tablet. Our "community" is fairly large and crosses many forums.
are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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Just have a look around. Roebeet is working on a HC port. Adam evs have begun working on a port for HC, and Roe is working on fixing the bugs to make it work on the G-Tablet. It's still in Alpha versions, but has caused some pretty big waves in the community...but, video drivers are proviing to be the deal breaker there right now, too.
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are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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The CM7.1 nightlies are GB and have some hardware acceleration built-in now.
Sorry about posting in rom dev. I always check here first and was saddened by the lack of new items coming in.
It isn't just the software that I'm speaking of, what about all the hardware that other tablet vendors have available the docking stations actually made for their tablets, the cases and covers that fit without any modifications.
I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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That sounds like a sales pitch to me. Just because some people don't realize the potential of a product, doesn't make that product extinct.
My buyer's remorse is increasing...
They had 7" Galaxy Tabs on Woot.com for $260 yesterday. I wish I knew they were going to be lowered in price so much in anticipation of the 10" version coming soon, because I would gladly have bought one of these instead...
I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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+1
Just becuase it doesn't have the latest and greatest that a $800.00 tablet has, it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
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I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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Seriously ! Samsung is just as bad as VS when it comes to support in any way. Be happy with your purchase and in a year get a transformer when the price drops to 250 and it already has a fat stack of roms to play with.
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...it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
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I read about it quite a bit here prior to my purchase and knew that I'd be able to at least get it rocking a solid and clean froyo.. If I can get GB and/or HC on it eventually that's just icing on the cake for me.. (I say eventually, because I won't jump until hw vid accel is nearly 100%)
-Xith
I look forward to kalel and the ice cream sandwich future. The only thing interesting to me in honeycomb are the pinch more tablet specific apps and the new 3.1 usb compatibility.
I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
as far as hardware and accessories, you'll just never get that with ANY android tablet. sure, you'll get some things from the manufacturer, like our dock, and official tablet, but there just isn't anything pushing third party vendors to make products specific to any android tablet. The main reason is that each tablet is just so different.
If we are going ot bite the bullet and insist n NOT getting an iThing, then we have ot accept that we won't have as many iAccessories or iDocks, or iCases, etc.
I bought a zune...2 of them actually, knowing that I wouldn't be able ot use any of the plethora of accessories that were made for the iPod.
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I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
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No Netflix.
Is the GTAB dead (or more so the Android)? The development of new ROM's have slowed and the long wait for video drivers and the release of more code so we can run HoneyComb one has to wonder. The very thing that makes Android product so great begs the question to be asked. It makes one wonder why a supposed open source code appears to be the held from it's users. The day of Android may have peaked too early with the stagnation of it's OS and failed promises. I have never been an Apple fan, but they do work and well. It has made me wonder if it is time for a change.
I don't think its Google withholding the source. It is the manufacturer of the product/device that dictates how long their product/device will be supported. Viewsonic would need to work on getting it working or ported to the G-Tablet and release the drivers etc needed to for devs here to work or create custom roms. So far the only way to do it is to build it from scratch.
I don't know much about development, so I apologize if I am incorrect as to the process steps. Don't give in to Apple though. All of their stuff is overpriced crap that gets replaced the next year or less than a year later, then they expect you to pay for the newer product to get their newer features. They haven't even released a 4G device or try to rework with Adobe for flash support. If you look at Android devices, popular manufacturers try to emphasize on releasing hardware that is ahead of its time, they won't make your device obsolete by the end of the year.
Afaik development is still going. This thread keeps updates with the status on having a properly working honeycomb kernel. last updated a few days ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1231577
And the Flashback team has Froyo, Gingerbread and Honeycomb roms that they update regularly, Caulkin/Clemsyn updated their rom to v7, and there is Cyanogenmod for GTab, so no, not dead.
I am running Flashback 9 (released last night), while eagerly awaiting the GTab Kerneldev team to finish their port of the 2.6.36 kernel so native Honeycomb 3.2 should run.
Plus if Google holds true to their words, Ice Cream Sandwich source should be released about a month after the Galaxy Nexus, and I imagine Cyanogenmod will shift to that.
There's a heck of a lot more going on for the GTab than for the stupid HP Touchpad I bought for $149 (I got 32mb version), although Cyanogen team says it'll be out for Touchpad in a few weeks...
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Is the GTAB dead (or more so the Android)? The development of new ROM's have slowed and the long wait for video drivers and the release of more code so we can run HoneyComb one has to wonder. The very thing that makes Android product so great begs the question to be asked. It makes one wonder why a supposed open source code appears to be the held from it's users. The day of Android may have peaked too early with the stagnation of it's OS and failed promises. I have never been an Apple fan, but they do work and well. It has made me wonder if it is time for a change.
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Excuse me for asking, but what in the world is a person doing on the XDA developers forum talking about development being stalled? And, to make it even worse, why would you go in the direction of the most locked up system in history?
If you are unhappy with the speed of development, then get going and do it! And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Excuse me for asking, but what in the world is a person doing on the XDA developers forum talking about development being stalled? And, to make it even worse, why would you go in the direction of the most locked up system in history?
If you are unhappy with the speed of development, then get going and do it! And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Dude chill out, it was just a question. This is a forum is it not? Open for discussion. I appreciate all that the DEV's are doing.
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And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Rofl, no RIP to Mr Jobs?
As far as I know Honeycomb source was not released by Google because they knew it was not ready (unstable). I read that statement somwhere. That's the reason we now have ICS (well, almost have)
Cheers!
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Just when I think the same, a slew of new roms/updates emerge. Of course as new tabs are released, work on the old ones start to diminish.
I just loaded the lastest beasty rom and it's great. Tried several HC roms and like the layout, but too many issues to date.
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And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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It's fanboy answers like that, which do nothing for the Android argument.
Let's not be ignorant here, Apple makes great products and their software/development is tight.
But anyway, let's stay on topic. Like everyone else said, the G Tablet is far from dead. I just started using C+C this weekend and its amazingly fast! It has breathed new life into my G Tablet , especially with Skype working.
Check this article out: LINK this is exactly what I was trying to talk about... it's not necessarily my option, but the way a lot of people are feeling.
That's the way a pseudo tech journalist who is a closet Apple fan feels about a buzzword using data that's out of date.
Here's a counter.
http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation
I ordered my TF201 32GB from Office Depot and received it in early January. Unboxed it, turned it on, installed some apps etc. then left charging overnight. Next morning noticed unit was not charged and down to 25% or so. Used another outlet but no improvement. Then froze the power unit as suggested in the forum. Called Asus Technical Support and troubleshooted the unit. CSR convinced it was the unit itself; asked me to ship unit to Texas facility (at my dime of course). 2 weeks later unit was shipped back (took 9 days since it was Fedex Ground from CA to NY!).
Unboxed unit and noticed that battery at 5%! Plugged in and... Nothing. Not charging!! Called ASUS - probably same idiot with whom I spoke the first time. Asked me to ship it back (on my dime) again to Texas but different RMA! Had no explanation as to why the RMA number should be different but I guess whoever they outsourced repairs to does not want to report to ASUS that they did not fix an issue the first time..CSR told me to only ship unit AGAIN. I challenged him that it may makse sense because, god forbid, it may be charger at fault! He said "ok" ship it back too.. thank you very kind of you to keep an open mind MR. ASUS CSR... I also mentioned that it seems unfair I pay for shipping again... so he sent me a Fedex label.. ground of course so 3-4 days to Texas (no ground pick up on weekends) and then another few days for the geniuses at whoever does the repair to figure it out and another 5-6 days to ship back.. so all in all 6 weeks since purchase and I have not used my Prime.. I had bought my wife an ASUS UX21 since she travels a lot for work but I returned it to Amazon for a refund within the 30 day window.. had to pay a fee to return but hey probably saved her (and me) a lot of aggravation.. her Toshiba ultrabook is working just fine thank you very much. Totally frustrated by idiots at ASUS. I cancelled the dock purchase at Office Depot too. As much as I do not like Apple products at least you can find an Apple Store everywhere and get a replacement and/or a technician to take a look and troubleshoot.. and iPads cost the same as a PRIME.. I am done with Asus.. once this is fixed it goes on Craigslist or eBay. Not sure what else I'll get.. anyone want to order my ASUS? It will be cheap.. once I get it back.
This reminds me of an experience we had with an Asus RMA, it was one of their eeePC models (back when they were the hot thing to get). We had to send the device back a total of three or four times before the issue was finally properly repaired. Asus can be kinda poor when it comes to some more obscure RMA situations, I totally understand your frustration.
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Sounds completely understandable on your stance. Unacceptable customer service. Damn Asus, is the RMA place really that bad. Not all are bad experiences but there's been too many bad stories popping up lately. Good luck on choosing new device. As much as i like my Prime, if I had to go through what some people have, I'd give up on them also.
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Why didn't you take it back to Office Depot in the first place? That's why retailers exist, to deal with the customer.
My 14-day return window is up today. I'm bringing back the TFP.
Even though I've had no problems with mine, I've heard too many stories like this. Too much negativity surrounding this device to allow me to enjoy it. I will downgrade my specs requirement and will go with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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My 14-day return window is up today. I'm bringing back the TFP.
Even though I've had no problems with mine, I've heard too many stories like this. Too much negativity surrounding this device to allow me to enjoy it. I will downgrade my specs requirement and will go with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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Have I read this right? You have a perfectly fine functioning tfp, but are returning it because others have had bad experiences, and you have heard too many stories!
This sounds like you give more credence to other peeps woes rather than go by your own
Experiences. I had better not mention all the negative stories I have heard about the galaxy tab as I would hate to ruin your enjoyment of that tablet!!!
What
Is wrong with enjoying the ..perfect tfp that you have? Remember that peeps are far more likely to moan than praise, for every negative issue on this board there are many many more happy punters who have not posted anything anywhere
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Have I read this right? You have a perfectly fine functioning tfp, but are returning it because others have had bad experiences, and you have heard too many stories!
This sounds like you give more credence to other peeps woes rather than go by your own
Experiences. I had better not mention all the negative stories I have heard about the galaxy tab as I would hate to ruin your enjoyment of that tablet!!!
What
Is wrong with enjoying the ..perfect tfp that you have? Remember that peeps are far more likely to moan than praise, for every negative issue on this board there are many many more happy punters who have not posted anything anywhere
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Yes...you heard it right. I previously had the Galaxy Tab and was fairly happy with it's performance (sans ICS). Really wanted to try the TFP...so I returned the GT and got one to try myself even with all of the negativity expressed here. While I encountered no real issues myself...I couldn't help think about whether or not the TFP would become but a blip on the radar for ASUS support and dev efforts. Sure, the TFP is newer technology than the GT....perhaps I'm just not willing to be one of their beta testers. The GT has been out long enough now to iron out a lot of the wrinkles...plus, ICS is still to come which will almost certainly improve performance.
I'm not slamming the TFP...just wasn't impressed enough with it over the GT to risk being subjected to Asus' tech support should that have been required.
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My 14-day return window is up today. I'm bringing back the TFP.
Even though I've had no problems with mine, I've heard too many stories like this. Too much negativity surrounding this device to allow me to enjoy it. I will downgrade my specs requirement and will go with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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Really,
Yours works but you're going to return it because other people have had issues?
Well.. I love my current Prime and I'm waiting on my second to get here next week along with my dock!
Newegg won't even accept my return because the serial number sticker next to the charging port is gone....
They don't care to turn it on and check the serial in settings to match it with the box and warranty papers.
Looks like a lot of us have had bad experiences because of this tablet. I'm waiting for the TF700T but I might be going with another company.
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While I encountered no real issues myself...I couldn't help think about whether or not the TFP would become but a blip on the radar for ASUS support and dev efforts..
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THIS^^^is a follower. Worried too much about what others are thinkn instead of making decisions based on hour own thinking. PLUS the comment about not sure about further Asus support or developement is ignorant at the least. ASUS has been constantly pumping out updates. Name one other company who released as many OTA updates as the Prime received. WE had ICS. We had root already out the box basically. We Had overclock in less than a month. We had Ubuntu n Linux n other flavors lf it already n less than a month. We already have extra drivers n such being added by dev. In less than a month. We already have root for ICS. We already have some minor theming going on. All this without even having bootunlocker tool yet. For you to make such a statement is kinda disrespect to hard work developers have been doing already here. Name another tablet as new as this one thst had so many things developement wise in its first month of existence. You forgetting its still barely over a month since people first started receiving their primes.
I COULD CARE less you returned it, that's your right to. But your reasoning is plain silly. You said although my prime runs perfect, I got frustrated at seeing all the negative stuff surrounding it. DO you know how many of us had our devices way before you n been dealing with all negative stuff? My prime works great also but not gonna return just because someone else dislikes theirs. Sounds like someone needs their hand held when choosing tablet or making any major decisions. GOOD THING THE other poster didn't mention horror stories he heard about the Galaxy tab or you might just throw a hissy fit.
DONT mean to sound harsh but JUST saying....it would be different if you were like OK I'm returning it because it performed poorly for me. Or I had a personal bad experience with Asus support. Not, well ima return it because Tom,****,n Jane dont like theirs...lmfao
Well good luck with new device anyways.
I had a wonderful experience with them. with a new working Prime delivered before I sent mine back.
But then again, I didnt demand a fix or talk like a privileged anus.
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THIS^^^is a follower. Worried too much about what others are thinkn instead of making decisions based on hour own thinking. PLUS the comment about not sure about further Asus support or developement is ignorant at the least. ASUS has been constantly pumping out updates. Name one other company who released as many OTA updates as the Prime received. WE had ICS. We had root already out the box basically. We Had overclock in less than a month. We had Ubuntu n Linux n other flavors lf it already n less than a month. We already have extra drivers n such being added by dev. In less than a month. We already have root for ICS. We already have some minor theming going on. All this without even having bootunlocker tool yet. For you to make such a statement is kinda disrespect to hard work developers have been doing already here. Name another tablet as new as this one thst had so many things developement wise in its first month of existence. You forgetting its still barely over a month since people first started receiving their primes.
I COULD CARE less you returned it, that's your right to. But your reasoning is plain silly. You said although my prime runs perfect, I got frustrated at seeing all the negative stuff surrounding it. DO you know how many of us had our devices way before you n been dealing with all negative stuff? My prime works great also but not gonna return just because someone else dislikes theirs. Sounds like someone needs their hand held when choosing tablet or making any major decisions. GOOD THING THE other poster didn't mention horror stories he heard about the Galaxy tab or you might just throw a hissy fit.
DONT mean to sound harsh but JUST saying....it would be different if you were like OK I'm returning it because it performed poorly for me. Or I had a personal bad experience with Asus support. Not, well ima return it because Tom,****,n Jane dont like theirs...lmfao
Well good luck with new device anyways.
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Thanks...a follower? At least you didn't call me a fanboy. ;-)
I care about my investment and how I feel about it. It's all speculation right now as to how much develpment will occur for the tfp at this point...guess I'm just bowing out as I don't wish to be part of the guessing. I do know the Galaxy Tab has been rewarded.
As far as me not experiencing any earth-crushing issues, I'd say that's true. However, I'm sitting here inside my home typing away on my GalaxyTab with a lock on 8 satellites. And wifi range is excellent EVERYWHERE in my home (and I am talking about a significant difference)...I now get my expected 22-24Mbps down from anywhere in my house whereas before would only achieve these speeds right beside my router and would get 4-6Mbps down further away. Still useable...but pale in comparison to the speeds I get with the GT.
I tested both the TFP and the GT within a month period....I feel better with the sammy and went back to it. How is that being a follower? I tried both extensibly for myself to arrive at a decision I felt comfortable with. As far as the negativity being a factor in my decision...hell yeah. Why shouldn't it be? Had I not been offered the chance to return the TFP easily, I never would have bought it based on what I've read here...some would say that's part of the research done when considering a purchase. After testing it out, I wasn't blown away...for my needs, there was nothing that the GT couldn't do just as well plus with gps and wifi working much better. For sure, it only has 2 cores...maybe I'm good with that.
I do hope everyone feels good about their purchase. I didn't and did the logical thing.
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Easy as you are right. That is what i said n still feel the same. I ran by serial number by Gary n he told me it was from an early batch n someone would call me. Ill easily take the new hardware revision over older one. Especially if it might mean might GPS might finally work. I never said "I want them to repair mines". Plus although no dropped signals or anything, wifi signal still fluctuates alot. SO if older hardware was never really meant to be shipped out then people on older batch entitled to the upgrade, or sorts. I did pay for this device, Cash, and I do have a warranty. I never had an issue like others been posting. SO ILL TAKE THE MINI UPGRADE IF OFFERED. That's all. Plus from hearing the horror stories from returns like guy with device smashed, I'm not sure if I would even send mines in yet. Especially since overall having no problems. GPS aside. Remember, they are people out there that have GPS working to some extent one way or another. I having seen a lock yet, although I never tried for more than 5 mins n was indoors everytime. I haven't taken my prime outdoors yet. Plus based on my date of final purchase 12/22 I'd be entitled to any possible hardware fixes for GPS since mine is clearly shown to be purchased before they took GPS spec down.
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Heck...looks like you'd opt for a fully functional tablet, too. Guess you're just braver than I to wait around for Asus to fix it for you...although, it appears you may be somewhat skeptical of their customer service yourself? ;-)
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.. and iPads cost the same as a PRIME...
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Actually iPad's are $120 more.
received it in early January. so all in all 6 weeks since purchase and I have not used my Prime..
My question is how you figure 6 weeks? How many weeks are there in January if today is the 28th?
On a serious note, why not try to find a charger from Frys or OD or Staples. The ones for the OG TF 101 work and determine if the problem is the charger or not?
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Thanks...a follower? At least you didn't call me a fanboy. ;-)
I care about my investment and how I feel about it. It's all speculation right now as to how much develpment will occur for the tfp at this point...guess I'm just bowing out as I don't wish to be part of the guessing. I do know the Galaxy Tab has been rewarded.
As far as me not experiencing any earth-crushing issues, I'd say that's true. However, I'm sitting here inside my home typing away on my GalaxyTab with a lock on 8 satellites. And wifi range is excellent EVERYWHERE in my home (and I am talking about a significant difference)...I now get my expected 22-24Mbps down from anywhere in my house whereas before would only achieve these speeds right beside my router and would get 4-6Mbps down further away. Still useable...but pale in comparison to the speeds I get with the GT.
I tested both the TFP and the GT within a month period....I feel better with the sammy and went back to it. How is that being a follower? I tried both extensibly for myself to arrive at a decision I felt comfortable with. As far as the negativity being a factor in my decision...hell yeah. Why shouldn't it be? Had I not been offered the chance to return the TFP easily, I never would have bought it based on what I've read here...some would say that's part of the research done when considering a purchase. After testing it out, I wasn't blown away...for my needs, there was nothing that the GT couldn't do just as well plus with gps and wifi working much better. For sure, it only has 2 cores...maybe I'm good with that.
I do hope everyone feels good about their purchase. I didn't and did the logical thing.
Heck...looks like you'd opt for a fully functional tablet, too. Guess you're just braver than I to wait around for Asus to fix it for you...although, it appears you may be somewhat skeptical of their customer service yourself? ;-)
***Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1***
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OK, completely understandable then. I see where you really coming from from this post.
As far as your second quote,I'm not really waiting for anything. I was just told my device is one of early one built. Device still works great but if I'm offered an opportunity to upgrade it to newer parts, then why wouldn't I. Lol. It'll make it even better, I would hope. I still love this device and has done everything I've asked of it n more. Only complaint I would have is GPS. I know that's very important to some people and deciding factor whether to keep it or not. For me, its no big deal. Everything is great aside from GPS. Just thankful I don't have issues some others been describing. Kinda makes it hard to believe when your device working so well. But its a given.
One thing though, Asus better step their game up with the quickness. I have a feeling if they don't address the possible issues on prime, their new upgrade model will be a fail LR do worse. As Prime n t-700 basically share all the same internal components. It'll be in Asus best interest to attack these issues head on. ASUS Losing people everyday. They gaining also but still. People with issues want to keep device but won't since some are riddled with issues. Can't be mad for someone wanting to return a device that's not working properly for them.
I already sent the letter to ASUS support. I hope to hear something back.
Dear Asus,
I have owned many consumer electronic devices and I must say, the TF201 is hands down the WORST piece of gadget I have ever owned. Nothing about it works and the worst part is, you are reluctant to help us to make it work.
For 10 months, we, the users, have been beta testing the TF201 so that you can develop better, improved products like the 700. We paid over 500 dollars to test products for you and receive no support. We have been through numerous ANR on simple tasks such as web browsing or playing a 2D game. Seriously? Is this what we paid 500 dollars for? Not only that, every subsequent firmware update did nothing to improve the product. Yet asus hasn't done much to help the situation. You provide the users with a half baked bootloader unlock tool that doesn't work for 50% of the users (check XDA). When asked to fix the bootloader unlock tool, ASUS says they dont support unlocking the device and can't do anything about it. Asus requested users to RMA their device to fix the bootloaded issue yet when the users get it back, there had been no change. No issues were addressed. Now we are stuck with a garbage firmware from ASUS that can’t even do the simplest things right and users can't even put a custom ROM to help make our experience better.
Two days ago, you released an OTA for jellybean which failed to update for about half the existing owners. Now when we check for the update, the tablet can't find it anymore and we are stuck with the same crappy 4.0.3 firmware. The devs are going above and beyond to modify the update file so it can work for everyone (check XDA) since asus is too lazy to upload the firmware on their support/download page. I got a question for you ASUS, can you do ANYTHING right? How much do you have to suck to screw up an OTA? I have used many android products from many vendors and NONE of them had nearly as many issues as the TF201. In the dev community it is called the bastard child. Many owners simply sold it at a loss or were successful at trading it at bestbuy for something else since Asus would not support them. You have the courage to charge customer $500+ for such a garbage device yet you provide this level of support? I understand problems happen and users are willing to cope with issues. But the least you could do is support your product by providing us with a functioning bootloader unlocker so the users that are having problems with the garbage firmware can at least use a custom firmware to make it useable again. We paid for this device and we expect some level of functionality such as browsing the web for the money we paid. At the very least, you can upload the new firmware on the support page so users who are having issues downloading the firmware (because some engineers can’t even make a functioning OTA) can at least manually upgrade to 4.1.
Overall, I must say, this tablet has done nothing more than frustrating me. Every time I go to use it, something goes wrong. I hope someone reads this email and feels guilty for charging upwards of $500 to deliver such subpar device to its consumers. At the very least, check out the XDA forum for TF201 and see how much time is being spent by users to simply get a straightforward OTA. Finally, if asus can’t deliver remotely what they promised, they should leave the tablet game for companies that know how to build a decent firmware or OTA.
Sincerely,
A disappointed customer
Given their track record, they will probably ignore it. I dont expect to hear anything back.
I have the same feelings as you, but post this on their facebook page or something if you want it to make some kind of impact. Here on XDA there are what, like 2 Asus marketing employees who occasionally come by?
Your opinion
I respect your right to have an opinion. I actually only come to this developers website to read productive opinions. Your opinion has no purpose here other than to fan the flames of your ire. It's useless for productive people and the moderators should delete your thread.
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I have the same feelings as you, but post this on their facebook page or something if you want it to make some kind of impact. Here on XDA there are what, like 2 Asus marketing employees who occasionally come by?
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I already posted on their FB page. But they deleted it. So I emailed them directly. I am looking for Jony shi's email address so I can email him personally. I am pretty sure he has no clue how bad the team F'ed it up
I thought most people who had issues with the OTA had rooted their tablet and messed with it somehow. To me it seems like asus has made sure the update works for everyone who hasn't done anything to their prime and that it doesn't brick anyones tablet, and it seems many people are able to get their tablet back into a state such that they can install the update. I really don't think we could expect them to do much more.
Also I don't get why the download problems where so terrible, it's still only been two days since the first release and I think most people are able to get the update pretty quickly now.
And also note that not only did they get us jellybean quicker than most other devices, but they also fixed one of the biggest issues with the prime (ANR). The only thing I really am disappointed over is the lack of status updates leading up to the release.
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I respect your right to have an opinion. I actually only come to this developers website to read productive opinions. Your opinion has no purpose here other than to fan the flames of your ire. It's useless for productive people and the moderators should delete your thread.
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This kind of attitude of being quiet and trying to figure things out by ourselves is why ASUS can get away with it. No one brings it up. TF201 is probably the worst tablet out their for android in its price range and it has been 10 months and there have been no improvements. I am not whining, I am just stating something that is unfair. No matter how much the devs try, they can't unlock the prime unless ASUS does something. And most of us dont have hours to fiddle with something like OTA that should just work. So we SHOULD bring up the issue. I think more people should contact ASUS directly until something is done because clearly we can't solve the problem.
We deserve something better than a paperweight for $500.
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I thought most people who had issues with the OTA had rooted their tablet and messed with it somehow. To me it seems like asus has made sure the update works for everyone who hasn't done anything to their prime and that it doesn't brick anyones tablet, and it seems many people are able to get their tablet back into a state such that they can install the update. I really don't think we could expect them to do much more.
Also I don't get why the download problems where so terrible, it's still only been two days since the first release and I think most people are able to get the update pretty quickly now.
And also note that not only did they get us jellybean quicker than most other devices, but they also fixed one of the biggest issues with the prime (ANR). The only thing I really am disappointed over is the lack of status updates leading up to the release.
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I am stock unrooted. My download failed and my tablet can't find it anymore. And ASSUS is too busy watching porn and dont have the time to upload the firmware to their website.
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This kind of attitude of being quiet and trying to figure things out by ourselves is why ASUS can get away with it. No one brings it up. TF201 is probably the worst tablet out their for android in its price range and it has been 10 months and there have been no improvements. I am not whining, I am just stating something that is unfair. No matter how much the devs try, they can't unlock the prime unless ASUS does something. And most of us dont have hours to fiddle with something like OTA that should just work. So we SHOULD bring up the issue. I think more people should contact ASUS directly until something is done because clearly we can't solve the problem.
We deserve something better than a paperweight for $500.
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Although I agree with the sentiment (I too have a prime) i'm seriously fed up of coming on this forum and seeing people complain.
there are enough complaint threads already.
I am fortunate enough to have been able to unlock my device, but that in itself contains massive risks (I almost bricked mine a couple of weeks ago)
when trying to look for a solution to my partial brick, all I could find were complaint threads. even semi useful threads were full of complaints. this made the task very frustrating.
By all means complain to Asus... but PLEASE enough with these threads and all of the thread jacking that is going on.. I want rid of my prime not because of performance, but because I can't read any thread in any section of the Prime forum without having to hear the same people complaining again and again.
I'm sorry if this seems confrontational, but I have seriously had enough of it!!
P.S. OP, please change the subject of this post to something more relevant like "My complaint letter to Asus ( Yet another complaint thread)"
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This kind of attitude of being quiet and trying to figure things out by ourselves is why ASUS can get away with it. No one brings it up. TF201 is probably the worst tablet out their for android in its price range and it has been 10 months and there have been no improvements. I am not whining, I am just stating something that is unfair. No matter how much the devs try, they can't unlock the prime unless ASUS does something. And most of us dont have hours to fiddle with something like OTA that should just work. So we SHOULD bring up the issue. I think more people should contact ASUS directly until something is done because clearly we can't solve the problem.
We deserve something better than a paperweight for $500.
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My point is that this post here is not that thing you claim to want. Nobody here works for asus and nobody here is looking for the opinion of the unhappy user. Its been done to death and is not an original thought.
People dont come to this site (or shouldnt) hoping the manufacturer is here to fix the problems they have.
I honestly don't know what you're trying to achieve here. First of all, this is what, the 14th thousand complaint thread OF THE DAY? We get it, you hate your device. Now be a big boy and sell the damn thing if you're so fed up with it. Second of all, if you want Asus to take your letter seriously, or read it without groaning like I did, don't use phrases like "how much do you have to suck" or "crappy, garbage firmware". If you expect Asus to respond professionally, I'd start by not sounding like a 12 year old boy that had his toy broken.
Jellybean's been out 2 days. TWO WHOPPING DAYS. If you can't access the update now I'd suggest you wait a week or two, because evidently you're not the only Prime user in the world. There are plenty of people who are also attempting to update their device, and mind I point out that many have gotten the new firmware and are quite happy with the result. There's no need to throw a fit simply because you weren't among the firsts in line.
Finally, don't complain about not being able to put custom ROMs on your device. That's not Asus' problem. We all know that unlocking the bootloader and flashing custom ROMs void the warranty. No one forced you to do it, and if you did it and borked your device, Asus has no obligation to fix it for you. I fully understand the risks of tampering with the firmware, and if tomorrow I flashed something new and bricked my Prime, I wouldn't go running to Asus and demand an answer.
I have my fair share of problems with the Prime, trust me. But this forum has brought whining to a whole new level.
sorry fellas i have to agree with op. and im not hatin on asus. i have a nexus seven and two high end asus laptops (though the keyboards are absolute ****) which i love. the prime is the biggest piece of **** ever sold to the american public. i mean really? you bottleneck the device by having horribly slow storage? and a device that is only wifi with **** wifi?
i took mine back to best buy today and recieved a 538 dollar credit. so it was made right by best buy. praise baby jesus that POS is gone and i didnt take a loss.
I wish i could get my money back for this POS from gamestop or asus. I shouldnt have to sell it for a loss because of asuses broken promises and lack of competence.
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My point is that this post here is not that thing you claim to want. Nobody here works for asus and nobody here is looking for the opinion of the unhappy user. Its been done to death and is not an original thought.
People dont come to this site (or shouldnt) hoping the manufacturer is here to fix the problems they have.
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I don't get it. While I do understand that Prime XDA forum is nothing but complaints (I wonder why...), you also have an option to not read any of them. But you continue to reply to majority of them... mock the individual... and say "blah blah blah"... just as useless as many other complaint threads as you put it.
And really?? Gary Key doesn't work for Asus? Asus_Tien doesn't work for Asus??
Same for my.deleate mesage and user....
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I actually do agree with whycali... we have too many thread complaining about the device... what is the point? does the number of threads make a difference to Asus?... if you have problems with the device, that's really bad luck, but use an existing thread instead of creating a new one... I rarely read these thread of complaints, but it's becoming really hard to find useful threads...
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I actually do agree with whycali... we have too many thread complaining about the device... what is the point? does the number of threads make a difference to Asus?... if you have problems with the device, that's really bad luck, but use an existing thread instead of creating a new one... I rarely read these thread of complaints, but it's becoming really hard to find useful threads...
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I agree... I almost didn't buy my prime because of all the negative things that have been said here. Thankfully I decided to make up my own mind and im glad i did. Best thing i have bought myself in awhile.
Thankfully im reporting non of the issue's that everyone else has been. maybe im Lucky or people are just blowing things out of proportion. Ive been using ASUS products for years and Ive never had problems with any of their products.... can't believe that their build quality has went down that much since the last computer i built which is still running fine today.
TANIS8585 said:
I agree... I almost didn't buy my prime because of all the negative things that have been said here. Thankfully I decided to make up my own mind and im glad i did. Best thing i have bought myself in awhile.
Thankfully im reporting non of the issue's that everyone else has been. maybe im Lucky or people are just blowing things out of proportion. Ive been using ASUS products for years and Ive never had problems with any of their products.... can't believe that their build quality has went down that much since the last computer i built which is still running fine today.
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Yes, I love this device... I've had no problems with anything so far... and it's the best device I've purchased...
I don't think their build quality has really gone down... cuz like you I've been using Asus products for a while...maybe it's just one of those devices.... something that every company faces...
craigacgomez said:
Yes, I love this device... I've had no problems with anything so far... and it's the best device I've purchased...
I don't think their build quality has really gone down... cuz like you I've been using Asus products for a while...maybe it's just one of those devices.... something that every company faces...
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Well as long as mine works perfectly it doesn't matter what anybody says.... just sad that i come on here to discuss what people are doing with their tabs and what cool things are being done and all i see is negativity.
out of every forum here on xda ive looked at this one for the prime seems to be the worst.
I get that the prime is not perfect and has its flaws, but what i really don't get is why people are upset about OTA problem^^
OTA's are supposed to work for stock devices, if you do stuff like rooting and modding you should be aware that OTAs might not work anymore. Yes even rooting and installing busybox will modify your system and may cause OTA problems.
I personally have no problems with my prime. Happy user since last January. And now it has jellay bean! <3 loving it so far
rosebud said:
Although I agree with the sentiment (I too have a prime) i'm seriously fed up of coming on this forum and seeing people complain.
there are enough complaint threads already.
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I'm personally fed up with people being fed up at seeing so many complaint threads. Be mad at Asus for selling us a crappy product and not supporting it. This product deserves to have an XDA thread chock full of complaint threads to remind people who see them what a garbage company Asus is.