What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
parson33 said:
What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
Asus got its own perks... and besides viewing angles this tablet is doing what I need. I see no other issues unless you have to have HC OS.
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
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How does this help him? Buy an Asus, ipad, xoom or whatever the flavor of the week is?
The dev community and the price tag make the g tablet a win. If you were forced to run stock that's a different story.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Don't forget to mention that the touchscreen itself is a pain - hardly multi-touch at all.....
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He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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All nice...but...none of this is what the OP asked. He/She wanted to know was this a good purchase at a good price. I'm sure he/she saw other tablets on the market and shopped within budget. There's always a step up you can spring for, show me a better tablet at or under $300.00 and I'll recant.
Should I buy the BMW, why not the Mercedes.
I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
parson33 said:
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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I believe my response answered the OP
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
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is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
Quality is everything to me, my Xoom does everything I need and it's stable, plus it will most likely get regular updates to issues and featurees. Still, it looks like a great tablet compared the Galaxy Tab.
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
lrs421 said:
Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Well that's good news. Enjoy, they're pretty much gone and many stores stopped accepting back orders.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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I didn't seriously consider any tablet when they were 400 dollars or over. I would buy an Asus down the line (when it is close to obsolete) when it hits 299.99 or lower.
However I was not aware Viewsonic did not support the G-Tablet very well. Is support in this forum from developers going to dry up in the next year? If I could get year out of this tablet I would be happy. Obviously I hoping for Gingerbread. Or Honeycomb rather? I am a newbie. (can't you tell?)
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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There are different factors too.... Look at the Nexus One. Still getting updates (albeit it's Google's), but TMobile is still pushing updates for the myTouch.... The Evo is 1yr old. Others are older and still getting development from the community at-large. A company's willingness to be open to the community contributes as well....
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I recall about a month and a half ago, all of the xda peeps getting together and raising a big stink against viewsonic and nvidia about not supporting our choice of tablets, I also recall them saying that they were going to continue to support the tablet from that point on.
Well...... I haven't seen much from either of them and it seems that this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
First and foremost, this should not be in the development forum as it has nothing to do with development, it should be in General or Q/A.
To comment on your post, yes, we are probably **** out of luck.
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this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
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It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
schettj said:
It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
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LOL ! ! RIP GTAB
actually there may be little stink becuase some people have realized that we dont' need VS to provide us what we need. They let the 1.2 bootloader out of hte bag, then closed the bag back up, rather quickly. The 1.2 bootloader is the same bootloader that Notion Ink uses on the Adam, also produced by Malata, also with the Tegra 2 Harmony hardware, and now also with the same bootloader as the G-Tablet.
So, since we've accepted that VS is going to be the proverbial dead beat dad, we've noticed that Notion Ink is a tad more responsible. So, what dad won't provide, maybe we can get from stepdad.
It's rumored that Notion Ink is getting an official GB update, with drivers from Nvidea. All VS had to do was make it possible for G-Tablet devs to port roms from Adam (done with 1.2 bootloader) and tada, they no longer need to support the device, because they can rely on others to do it for them.
We'd like them to continue providing updates, or at least admit that we are still here, but we don't necessarily NEED them to do it anymore.
Roxxas049 said:
What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
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There are new and fresh ROMs around for the tablet. Our "community" is fairly large and crosses many forums.
are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
lgkahn said:
are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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Just have a look around. Roebeet is working on a HC port. Adam evs have begun working on a port for HC, and Roe is working on fixing the bugs to make it work on the G-Tablet. It's still in Alpha versions, but has caused some pretty big waves in the community...but, video drivers are proviing to be the deal breaker there right now, too.
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are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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The CM7.1 nightlies are GB and have some hardware acceleration built-in now.
Sorry about posting in rom dev. I always check here first and was saddened by the lack of new items coming in.
It isn't just the software that I'm speaking of, what about all the hardware that other tablet vendors have available the docking stations actually made for their tablets, the cases and covers that fit without any modifications.
I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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That sounds like a sales pitch to me. Just because some people don't realize the potential of a product, doesn't make that product extinct.
My buyer's remorse is increasing...
They had 7" Galaxy Tabs on Woot.com for $260 yesterday. I wish I knew they were going to be lowered in price so much in anticipation of the 10" version coming soon, because I would gladly have bought one of these instead...
I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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+1
Just becuase it doesn't have the latest and greatest that a $800.00 tablet has, it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
irishrally said:
I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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Seriously ! Samsung is just as bad as VS when it comes to support in any way. Be happy with your purchase and in a year get a transformer when the price drops to 250 and it already has a fat stack of roms to play with.
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...it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
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I read about it quite a bit here prior to my purchase and knew that I'd be able to at least get it rocking a solid and clean froyo.. If I can get GB and/or HC on it eventually that's just icing on the cake for me.. (I say eventually, because I won't jump until hw vid accel is nearly 100%)
-Xith
I look forward to kalel and the ice cream sandwich future. The only thing interesting to me in honeycomb are the pinch more tablet specific apps and the new 3.1 usb compatibility.
I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
as far as hardware and accessories, you'll just never get that with ANY android tablet. sure, you'll get some things from the manufacturer, like our dock, and official tablet, but there just isn't anything pushing third party vendors to make products specific to any android tablet. The main reason is that each tablet is just so different.
If we are going ot bite the bullet and insist n NOT getting an iThing, then we have ot accept that we won't have as many iAccessories or iDocks, or iCases, etc.
I bought a zune...2 of them actually, knowing that I wouldn't be able ot use any of the plethora of accessories that were made for the iPod.
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I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
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No Netflix.
Yes, I know there's another thread with the same title, more than likely right below this one. I have different questions though and wanted to make sure my thread was seen. Sorry if that upsets you. Anyway...
I've been debating back and forth to get a tablet lately for a variety of reasons. I want something that can be used for school, something my son can enjoy, something for trips, etc, etc. I am no stranger to the Android OS in general, as I have an HTC Inspire 4G running RCMix3D KINGDOM v2.0. So my question isn't so much about the device, but more about my options once I purchase it.
At $250.00 through Amazon.com I would be stupid not to get this tablet over the Archos 101 in my opinion. It's twice the specs at only 20 or 30 more dollars. Anyway, on to my question... Once I get the tablet in hand, what ROM should I use that will be stable and fast, but also give me the most bang for my buck? Side question here is if it's also possible to get HTC Sense working on this device at all?
As well as that, what's this I hear about this device dual booting with Windows 7? I read that it could, then that it couldn't, then that it was another Viewsonic device that could and got confused with the G tab. What's the real deal here? Google has not been my friend on this particular question.
the Gtablet will not run windows. There is another Viewsonic device that does have dual boot, but it's most definitely not this one.
As far as the other questions, I'll let somebody else address them, as I'm pretty much committed to never recommending any viewsonic device to anybody that I may have respect for. I'm in full on boycott mode, here.
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As far as the other questions, I'll let somebody else address them, as I'm pretty much committed to never recommending any viewsonic device to anybody that I may have respect for. I'm in full on boycott mode, here.
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Care to go into that statement at all? I'd like to hear what happened, specifically if it pertains to the device in question that I'm about to buy.
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Care to go into that statement at all? I'd like to hear what happened, specifically if it pertains to the device in question that I'm about to buy.
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Read the thread in the general section entitled "disappointed at Viewsonic." I'll sum it up for you:
gtablet released, people bought it, software sucked, Viewsonic releases a series of updates to improve their horrible firmware. It doesn't matter, becuase people started using exclusively 3rd party roms to make it a useful tablet, not a hunk of junk.
Viewsonic released it's last update in January. It was update 1.1.3588. i bought my Gtablet in March. No joke, the day after I received it in the mail, there was a campaign unleashed to attempt to get Viewsonic ot update their firmware yet again, since it was used for the source for some roms...things needed fixed still, etc.
In April, because of hte pressure, they released an update 1.2.4349. It changed the bootloader of the Gtablet, which is why there are roms made for 2 different bootloaders. Unfortunately, this 4349 update did very little to fix existing issues and caused some others. For instance, Gtablet stock firmware users lost HD video playback, and the ability to change wallpapers.
And then....silence for (let's see, it's July, that was April) 3 months so far. I know that 3 months doesn't sound like much, but the device has only been available for 8 months.
The bigger issue is that the 4349 update was pulled 24 hours after it's release. So, anyone that updated to it had no way of reverting back to 3588, where things worked a bit. they've also been selling them in Woot Tiger Direct and Amazon deals with the broken 4349 firmware preinstalled.
In addition, they outsourced their customer support to a company called US Merchants, a repackager (their name is also on the back of the tablets, too) who really know nothing about technology, or customer support. They even, at one point, pointed tech support questioners to THIS forum to get support.
Now, Notion Ink Adam and Advent vega have identical hardware to the Gtablet. Vega's OS was superior and then ported to the gtablet (VegaNTab). Notion Ink is actually attempting to get Honeycomb to run on their devices, with the help of the 3rd party developer community. What has Viewsonic done for their customer base....that's right, NOTHING.
The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I had an online chat with Viewsonic technical support. I asked a simple question of "Peggy," "Is Viewsonic intending on updating their firmware, or attempting to request drivers from NVidea so that 3rd party developers can work on accelerated gingerbread and honeycomb roms?"
The answer I received was to call (US Mechants) for technical support, that they handle the Gtablet, now. I asked if anyone at Viewsonic had anything to do with the Gtablet, and they responded that they "Have no informaiton regarding the Gtablet in their resources." To me, that read, Viewsonic no longer develops or supports the Gtablet in any way.
SO...buy it if you will, 3rd party development is wonderful for this thing. even the Froyo Roms are exceptional to work with. I'm running Calkulin/Clemsyn combo, and it's great. The tablet hardware is excellent, the 3rd party development is top rate, but if you ever expect the manufacturer ever give a ****, then I suggest you get an Acer Iconia, Motorola Xoom, or Asus Transformer. I know that Motorola has already updated their OS from 3.0 to 3.1, then 3.2. We've been on 2.2, then, slightly better 2.2, then oh wait, let's break 2.2, then your stuck on broken 2.2.
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Read the thread in the general section entitled "disappointed at Viewsonic." I'll sum it up for you:...
...then your stuck on broken 2.2.
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First off, shortened the quote because I don't feel people wanna read 8000 lines of the same text. But anyway, I loved your "review" of the product and the background. Basically what I got from it was that it's a great device, with plenty of options that go with it if you are willing, and that manufacturer support absolutely sucks on this device. Kind of sucks too becuase I do like it, but it also makes me not want to give my $250.00 to a company that couldn't give two ****s about the product they sell.
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First off, shortened the quote because I don't feel people wanna read 8000 lines of the same text. But anyway, I loved your "review" of the product and the background. Basically what I got from it was that it's a great device, with plenty of options that go with it if you are willing, and that manufacturer support absolutely sucks on this device. Kind of sucks too becuase I do like it, but it also makes me not want to give my $250.00 to a company that couldn't give two ****s about the product they sell.
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I like your nutshell...
Alternatives aren't as bad as you might think. My stepfather bought an iconia a week ago from staples for $299...of course, he used a $100 off coupon they had. Be patient and another deal will be around shortly.
Well i find it Super intereting to modify and loading android onto the touch pad, but i have a asus TF, Works great, Love it.. but wondering would it be worth the hassle just to have a new toy to play with (mearly jut that reason)
i think a Bestbuy 40miles away may have a new shippment in today. but debating weather to go and buy 3 (me, mother,step dad) what your thoughts about this?
I think a better question is, can you find a Touchpad to buy? If you get one, you will definately be happy with the purchase. And if not, there are plenty of us out here that will be more than willing to take it off your hands.
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sounds good i would say yes and they is plenty of people who would take it off your hands
You should definitely buy at the PRICE at least for the hardware
yea i know the hardware veiw point im like "what for $99!!" but currently waiting to find as rumor has it.. new sale is bound to happen soon, ( as i read from many forum posts) but i think if i do I will buy it.. but i wont be heart broken if i dont...
Don't forget that if you get a TouchPad, you can also register for 50GB free storage at Box.net (you have to do it via the app on the TouchPad). Depending on what your storage habits and needs are, that might be worth taking into account.
I would say you should not buy it just so I have a better chance of getting another
Why do you need another tablet? That'd be my consideration.
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IF you can find one, buy it. Worst case someone will buy it from you if you don't like it.
Also I think Best Buy will limit you to one per customer, at least that's what one employee said his store was going to do.
well thismorning the local bb got a shipment and it was gone before i got there at 10am. Didnt think people of brownsville knew... :| but i think ill give up. Causeyeaidont need another tab, but wanted touse and play with it, moding hacking..etc. , i ill only by if i stumple on a online sale, but i now wont go out my way to buy one, good luck to all on getting a touchpad
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Why do you need another tablet? That'd be my consideration.
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one for development/hacking, one for useage. i assumed that would be obvious
I didn't see any reason not to buy it. If you can find one the are practically giving them away. I have a Xoom and love it but I can never have too many toys. Got one at Aarons rents yesterday.
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The process I went through to figure out if a TP was really a good buy was to figure out what exactly I needed it for. I just can't justify spending $400-600 on a tablet that's not going to fill an integral part of my technology needs, but $100-200 (depending on size/shipping/etc) is a reasonable amount for me, even if Android never gets ported to it.
The UI is attractive, and there are enough games and apps that I could let my 3 year old play with it while supervised and it wouldn't be the end of the world if something happened to it.
While your situation is likely different, hopefully there is a bit of insight into my personal decision making process in deciding if a TP was a good value or not.
Of course you should buy it...then flip it for 2-3x the price. Then put that money towards an iPad. Then jailbreak and hack to your heart's content and/or develop apps for a viable market.
Then sell the iPad for near full retail right before the next iteration drops and either buy the newest version or three Nook Colors for your family members.
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Of course you should buy it...then flip it for 2-3x the price. Then put that money towards an iPad. Then jailbreak and hack to your heart's content and/or develop apps for a viable market.
Then sell the iPad for near full retail right before the next iteration drops and either buy the newest version or three Nook Colors for your family members.
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lamest advice ever
especially when there's people out there that honestly want this device to use or to develop with. this is xda, not slickdeals.
yareally said:
lamest advice ever
especially when there's people out there that honestly want this device to use or to develop with. this is xda, not slickdeals.
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Try reading his question more carefully
debating weather to go and buy 3 (me, mother,step dad)
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He wants to tinker around on android but he already has a transformer and you think his mother and step dad want to develop on a dead platform?
How are they going to use it? Browse the web one tab at a time? Read e-books with the broken app? Play movies on the gimped player? My guess is you don't actually have one.
My advise is not only solid but it's based on experience with all of the devices in question. But perhaps his parents are xda members
well i know they wont develop on this, i had mentioned to them its a tablet and if they wanted one they can get one (if found) for $100, i told her to look at youtube reviews about the TP, she liked and wanted one.. i wasnt one to mod, toy, develop, and since its not bad hardware. and i dont want to turn around and sell for $250 as i have seen on Craigslist.
we mainly want one due to the firesale Price of $99, but i am unablet to find one so i dont think i will get one. i am no noob when it comes to electronics and software. i wouldnt get a ios device since i dont like the feel of ios, nor apple software. android is nice love it, webos, havent really had enough time to play with it but seemed to be promising if HP let it grow more.nook color is a nice toy, but not really my flavor, now i think ill retire my TF (for modding)when TF2 comes out (Kal-El) platform, so yea
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Try reading his question more carefully
He wants to tinker around on android but he already has a transformer and you think his mother and step dad want to develop on a dead platform?
How are they going to use it? Browse the web one tab at a time? Read e-books with the broken app? Play movies on the gimped player? My guess is you don't actually have one.
My advise is not only solid but it's based on experience with all of the devices in question. But perhaps his parents are xda members
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Yeah...so he should go buy a real tablet at full price and not screw people that want to actually develop for the touchpad...
Amazon is coming out with what will probably be a cheaper android tablet soon
To the OP: I hope you find what you are looking for though from your previous comment above. You seemed to thought things through at least
Pending on buying.. worth it?
The only reason why I'm even considering buying this is because I saw that android will be able to hopefully run on this and id like to see honeycomb as well as ubuntu on this and the price has become cheaper. I know you all here have it so i was wondering your personal opinions on the device.
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Hannspad or HP Touchpad?
Hello!
Lately I have been looking at the Hannspad, but since the kernel hasn't been released I assume that the custom roms aren't as good as they could be (or am I wrong?).
So I was looking at the HP Touchpad instead, which has very nice specs (better than Hannspad? 1GB Ram & 1.2GHz snap, 10 point touch! Better price) and Android development for it is slowly starting for it, 2.3.5 is working and I hope they'll get it functional soon!
So what are your thoughts? Should I look at the Touchpad and see how development goes over the next three weeks or get the Hannspad ?
I'll buy in the beginning of next month, and I'd like to have a somewhat functional tablet, so what are your thoughts? Will the HP ever get ported so good, that it'll work 100%? How about hardware accel.
Thank you <3
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So, I'm getting really frustrated with all of the stuff I've been reading about the Prime. I got mine just before Christmas and it hasn't given me any major problems, a couple of nuisance things here and there. But what I'm worried about is the talk of it being discontinued already, what kind of dev support is this going to get, the possibility of some issues popping up down the road, and the feeling of having paid $500 for a flawed product. I've been holding off from returning it in hopes of some miracle fix coming along or some announcement from ASUS that they'll offer some sort of upgrade for the early adopters. But, as I get close to my 30 day return window closing, i have to consider what to do...
So, if you were going to buy something today that isn't the Prime, what would it be, and why?
Also, do you think my logic is flawed? Should i continue to "wait and see"?
Thanks for your input.
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I returned mine, and bought the original TF-101. It can't match the Prime is processor power, but everything on it works perfectly, and it was $100 cheaper.
There is no alternative. Stop feeding into the rumours n hype. I'd you would take a look in Android developement you would already see we got alot going on. We got root less than a couple days after ICS release. We already have overclocking on the prime. We already have Linux running on prime. Come on now.. Plus most people spreading the rumours don't know jack or even own a prime. There are lots of people without even owning the device taking b.s. and spreading stuff like they know what's going on. Most rumor threads are always false n should be taken with a grain of salt. There are members here out to bash the prime or make it look bad so to try to scare people off from it. READ the positive threads more instead of the nonsense..lol
People will believe anything they read SMH lmfao
I like how you changed it to Discuss..lol.
Rumors of discontinue? Replacements with better model?
The problem here is that talk is cheap, and you need to filter out the signal from the noise. If you're happy with your product, then that should be the informing factor. Technology will always be improving and you just have to jump in where you think is best.
I'm not sorry I returned mine. It's a relief to no longer have the Asus dark cloud hanging over my head. I too am looking for a replacement.
Also, there is another thread here today showing a retailer which has already discounted them to $399. Are the fire sales already starting?
The only reason I could see them discontinuing it would be to release a Prime with a new casing fixing the major issues. If they do this I couldn't see them not allowing Prime owners a swap.
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The only reason I could see them discontinuing it would be to release a Prime with a new casing fixing the major issues. If they do this I couldn't see them not allowing Prime owners a swap.
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This.
Either the current model is not being discontinued (most likely), or they're redesigning it, in which case, they'd have to allow people to RMA/swap out the exisiting model.
The original TF101 and dock or wait to see what the equal from Lenovo is like - as I want the dock! Nite well that had my OG not ended up in it's current damaged state, I would not have bought the Prime.
Now if all I wanted was a tablet, I would probably have gotten the TF101 or the Galaxy Tab (either the aging 10.1 or the newer 7.x). The Samsung having had a 3G version that my carrier used to carry would have sinched it, for the same price point as a TF+dock. Nota bene: while the first Gen of Galaxy Tab 10.1 does have a keyboard dock available for like $80, it doesn't have a battery or net book folding feature like the Transformers do.
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This.
Either the current model is not being discontinued (most likely), or they're redesigning it, in which case, they'd have to allow people to RMA/swap out the exisiting model.
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I hope they do the latter, it would boost their reputation highly after the near-disaster launch for their PR department. They could even gut the old Primes and then just put the main componants into the new casing and then sell them off at a slightly lower price so they will be hardly losing anything. Either way, I'm still pleased with my Prime, the Wi-Fi works decently in my house where I'll be almost exclusively using it and GPS is a non-issue for me anyway.
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I'm not sorry I returned mine. It's a relief to no longer have the Asus dark cloud hanging over my head. I too am looking for a replacement.
Also, there is another thread here today showing a retailer which has already discounted them to $399. Are the fire sales already starting?
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$100 cheaper is not a fire sale..lol OTA called a Promo
as far as i can tell, the new t700 will have the same specs except the screen res, as long as we have a few good dev's here we should be ok regardless, i would imagine that alot of the roms that take advantage of the tegra 3 and the radio's on the t700 would be easy enough to apply to the tf201 with some tinkering, and like others have said we already got some good stuff going on in the dev section.
if you want to feel better about your prime go and hang out in there for a a bit the general and q&a portions of the forum have become like the weekly world tabloids, running rampant with rumors of 5 legged bat children and the Bermuda triangle of GPS signals....
i'm right there with you, the loss of dev support is more important to me then almost any other aspect of the tablet it's self, i have never bought a device that the manufacture was more prompt and robust then what some dev random dev has come up with in his moms basement, kind of sad when you think about it. that some multi million dollar corp isn't as good as a few guys just hanging on the internet with a passion, seems like HR needs to find guys who love their job....anyways hang in there and we have a 1 year warranty on our product, all else fails hook it up to a car battery and send it back....lol
When mine was running Honeycomb, I was going to return it and wait for the iPad 3. The Prime was slow and apps were closing and unpredictable.
After the ICS update, this Transformer Prime is hummin' like a beast out of Hades. I love it. I just got the keyboard dock, and now it looks like a netbook. LOL.
Anyway, for those with TP issues, keep talking with ASUS so that they can resolve the issues. I have to say that their customer service has been very strong. If this were Apple, they'd be denying there were any issues!
That being said, if you want a table that has no issues and just works, get an iPad. It may lack some of the technological sophistication that the latest Android tabs have, but that is balanced by a very stable platform.
Well the Flyer got mailed off today and my new nexus 7 arrived shortly thereafter. I'm really glad I finally made this decision, the Flyer was never this fast! I never was truly happy with it but the great developers we had made the experience worth it. It was good chatting with you all, I'll see you around xda
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Best wishes, enjoy your new tab
Flyer
Ditto. Plus I might be joining you in the Nexus 7 board, possibly found a buyer for my Flyer.
See ya over on the n7 boards... Mine came in yesterday, but I'm keeping the Flyer. Navigon crashes on the n7 so until they fix it.... That and I'm still working on an xbmc skin using the Flyer as a test platform.
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Navigon crashes because n7 has no GPS? I never looked at the specs, but I dont think they would put GPS in a 199 device.
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Navigon crashes because n7 has no GPS? I never looked at the specs, but I dont think they would put GPS in a 199 device.
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It has gps. App runs for about 5 minutes at most then the screen blacks out and FC's.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/1
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Well the Flyer got mailed off today and my new nexus 7 arrived shortly thereafter. I'm really glad I finally made this decision, the Flyer was never this fast! I never was truly happy with it but the great developers we had made the experience worth it. It was good chatting with you all, I'll see you around xda
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wish you the best. I wished you could've held onto your flyer as well because I think you will miss out on the awesomeness of our beloved flyer once ICS or even Jellybean is fully functioning (which I feel will be very soon). Honestly I would have probably made the same move you did if I didn't use the pen as extensively as I do.
I wanted too hold on to it but I needed the money to afford the nexus. Also had to sell my PSP and zune, still $40 short on the charge. I really love the communities here and I wanted to see where chaos took Lisbon, but overall I the Flyer fell short of my expectations. Honestly I didn't get it because I was hoping for ICS, but I didn't realize how honeycomb sucked in General. Overall I am ultra picky about lag, a lot of average users would play with honeycomb and not see a reasons to complain, but I guess it comes from being a PC guy. My PC has either always had the hardware or I've tweaked whatever version of windows to keep it lag free.
But my flyer only sold for $125, not having a pen screwed me on price as most sold with the pen but at that price when I'm doing better financially I could buy another one easy I'll still be around here as threads show up in participated on tapatalk and I'd like to help out new users. But overall if you aren't happy with the flyer and you don't need the stuff your loosing, then sell it now before it depreciates more because this thing rocks. Ridiculously wicked fast and jelly bean is really cool . See I remember ripping on the fire for not having an SD and I planned on getting a 32 gig SD for my flyer but never got around to it and found I didn't need it. I got the 16 gig nexus because of game storage primarily. A rear camera never was important to me, and I have never used mhl, I got a ps3 and roku box networked to my PC for streaming purposes.
I also like how much easier this thing is to hold. The back is grippy and the weight is pretty light. My flyer I'd drop when trying to switch orientation all the time because the back was slippery and it was a bit heavy.
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I hear a nexus 10 is in the works, but I dunno with the ipad still being the world's most popular tablet and the ipad 2 starting at $400 it seems like the 10 inch market is lost to apple unless they could hit the 300 mark or so.
I will say the Android tablet market really sucks right now because if you want the features the nexus doesn't provide then your at the mercy of a manufacturer that might keep your tablet updated might not. Honestly the update problem is more forgivable on a subsidized phone. No one holds on to their phones and if your phone gets cut off too soon, your probably only 3 months from your upgrade date anyway. The flyer will be my reason for only buying nexus products from now on. I bought the flyer and planned on keeping it several years, and if they would of just gave it ics, I could see that happening. The nexus has better hardware, but I bought it for the software, the flyer was plenty capable. Overall though htc in general has annoyed me, I never complained about poor support from Samsung with my captivate, even though I was on par with my HTC devices because it had an unlocked bootloader and updates didn't matter when you could root it and keep it up to date yourself. Chaos will make that happen with the Flyer but my phone is a lost cause. HTC put some code embedded in the device that prevents the RIL from working properly with att sims. And then this "relocked" rubbish you know I'm sorry but putting a custom rom on won't break my screen, power button, or speaker, and imo rooting shouldn't void your warranty unless they can prove you a change you made caused a power failure. When we bought our Dell laptop in 2009 it came with vista with a windows 7 upgrade available by mail when 7 launched. When I got it I put the 7 disk in, booted into it, upgraded from disc, and wiped my previous copy of windows. All bloat was removed, and I was pure windows 7 no bs. And it was still covered by warranty 100%! Imo putting a custom rom on is no different than reinstalling windows on putting Linux on your pc and doesn't warrant a warranty void. Ok stepping off my soap box now /rant
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Speaking of the galaxy nexus, the tab makes me want one now I've experienced pure aosp android from a stock device I don't ever want to use a manufacturer skin ever again! Pure android ftw
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You'll be missed in this subforum, but I understand your reasons well enough. I still have hope in Chaos giving us a fully working ICS ROM for the Flyer, and maybe then I'll see you around here again . Have fun with your new tablet!!
P.D: 125$ for your Flyer... a bit too low, isn't it? I would have given you 150$ right now, paying myself the mailing to Spain. It would have been a great present for my mother or my girlfriend who are always stealing my Flyer
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You'll be missed in this subforum, but I understand your reasons well enough. I still have hope in Chaos giving us a fully working ICS ROM for the Flyer, and maybe then I'll see you around here again . Have fun with your new tablet!!
P.D: 125$ for your Flyer... a bit too low, isn't it? I would have given you 150$ right now, paying myself the mailing to Spain. It would have been a great present for my mother or my girlfriend who are always stealing my Flyer
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Ha wish I would of known that. I didn't have the pen and every flyer for around $150 had the pen bundled with it. Good chatting with you!
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The Nexus 7 is great but I wish it was a higher end device with better build quality.
The software is amazing though. Everything is so fluid and smooth. Also, the amount of development is crazy when you consider that not much development is really needed! It is overkill.
I kept one of my two Flyers and still have high hopes that the dedicated devs here will get it all sorted. Chaosz-x and Dexter have come a long way and I am hoping that the UI flinging issues and video issues can get fixed.
All things considered, I don't think I'll buy a non-Nexus device again. This is a lesson learned the hard way from HTC.
Honestly the build quality is on the same level as the flyer. Don't let the screen separation issues scare you off, it affects less people than it looks. People get on message boards to ***** not to praise and mine seems flawless thus far. Screen is gorgeous too btw, I noticed the screen calibration issue but that's minor and Google is going to patch it at some point.
Also it's a lot lighter and easier to hold than the flyer which I like and its overall a good looking device. I don't quite get the Asus bashing, being a pc guy I've bought alot of Asus parts over the years, in fact my motherboard right now is an AsRock, a budget brand of Asus and you'd think it was a $200 board with the features and build quality
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Honestly the build quality is on the same level as the flyer. Don't let the screen separation issues scare you off, it affects less people than it looks. People get on message boards to ***** not to praise and mine seems flawless thus far. Screen is gorgeous too btw, I noticed the screen calibration issue but that's minor and Google is going to patch it at some point.
Also it's a lot lighter and easier to hold than the flyer which I like and its overall a good looking device. I don't quite get the Asus bashing, being a pc guy I've bought alot of Asus parts over the years, in fact my motherboard right now is an AsRock, a budget brand of Asus and you'd think it was a $200 board with the features and build quality
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Too much plastic to be good quality!
I'm with you on the non nexus thing. Speaking of which development is dead for cm10 on my vivid, ril issues they couldn't overcome. Htc makes their stuff too damn hard to hack, I don't know why they care. Imo recovery should be installed out of the box, s-rubbish should of never existed as with the concept of locked bootloaders, and rooting should be an option in recovery with a disclaimer. Shouldn't void your warranty unless you break something afterwards that's the result of something you could only do with root access imo. Why do these companies care anyway?
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Htc makes their stuff too damn hard to hack, I don't know why they care. Imo recovery should be installed out of the box, s-rubbish should of never existed as with the concept of locked bootloaders, and rooting should be an option in recovery with a disclaimer. Shouldn't void your warranty unless you break something afterwards that's the result of something you could only do with root access imo. Why do these companies care anyway?
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It might not be that easy for HTC to tell whether an issue (such as a brick) was caused by hardware, or something stupid the customer did. There are a bunch of people on the One X that are bricking their phones by flashing the ROMs for the wrong version of the One X (international Tegra3 ROMs on Snapdragon S4 devices) despite the forums being completely and deliberately separated, multiple warnings and threads instructing not to do it, etc.
Some of these guys have already said (or had it suggested by other unscrupulous members) they were going to try to return the phone for a free replacement, claiming a hardware defect. With behavior like this, its not hard to understand why HTC is locking bootloaders.
Question: Is it safe to do a "Factory Data Reset" on this tablet? This has been rooted and upgraded to 3.0 using Globatron's method.
I made the decision to sell this on eBay as well. Also, Cor, how much did you sell yours for?
I'm planning on selling mine with the pen, a portfolio case, and a Trident Aegis Case.
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Question: Is it safe to do a "Factory Data Reset" on this tablet? This has been rooted and upgraded to 3.0 using Globatron's method.
I made the decision to sell this on eBay as well.
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Should be. You just want to wipe our personal data from the phone? You can always wipe data from CWM, as well. That I know works.
Note that either way, it just wipes data and leaves whatever ROM was flashed on the tablet. The term "factory reset" is a bit of a misnomer. It implies to some people that the stock ROM will return, which is not the case.
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I'm with you on the non nexus thing. Speaking of which development is dead for cm10 on my vivid, ril issues they couldn't overcome. Htc makes their stuff too damn hard to hack, I don't know why they care. Imo recovery should be installed out of the box, s-rubbish should of never existed as with the concept of locked bootloaders, and rooting should be an option in recovery with a disclaimer. Shouldn't void your warranty unless you break something afterwards that's the result of something you could only do with root access imo. Why do these companies care anyway?
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I see where you are coming from as a basic consumer, but what these big companies want are corporate clients. While we don't care as much if our phone is secure, too a lot of these government contractors, and larger private business having secure phones is a big deals, since executives and the like will company proprietary information on them. All of a sudden S-ON and lack of root is important.