Well i find it Super intereting to modify and loading android onto the touch pad, but i have a asus TF, Works great, Love it.. but wondering would it be worth the hassle just to have a new toy to play with (mearly jut that reason)
i think a Bestbuy 40miles away may have a new shippment in today. but debating weather to go and buy 3 (me, mother,step dad) what your thoughts about this?
I think a better question is, can you find a Touchpad to buy? If you get one, you will definately be happy with the purchase. And if not, there are plenty of us out here that will be more than willing to take it off your hands.
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sounds good i would say yes and they is plenty of people who would take it off your hands
You should definitely buy at the PRICE at least for the hardware
yea i know the hardware veiw point im like "what for $99!!" but currently waiting to find as rumor has it.. new sale is bound to happen soon, ( as i read from many forum posts) but i think if i do I will buy it.. but i wont be heart broken if i dont...
Don't forget that if you get a TouchPad, you can also register for 50GB free storage at Box.net (you have to do it via the app on the TouchPad). Depending on what your storage habits and needs are, that might be worth taking into account.
I would say you should not buy it just so I have a better chance of getting another
Why do you need another tablet? That'd be my consideration.
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IF you can find one, buy it. Worst case someone will buy it from you if you don't like it.
Also I think Best Buy will limit you to one per customer, at least that's what one employee said his store was going to do.
well thismorning the local bb got a shipment and it was gone before i got there at 10am. Didnt think people of brownsville knew... :| but i think ill give up. Causeyeaidont need another tab, but wanted touse and play with it, moding hacking..etc. , i ill only by if i stumple on a online sale, but i now wont go out my way to buy one, good luck to all on getting a touchpad
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Why do you need another tablet? That'd be my consideration.
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one for development/hacking, one for useage. i assumed that would be obvious
I didn't see any reason not to buy it. If you can find one the are practically giving them away. I have a Xoom and love it but I can never have too many toys. Got one at Aarons rents yesterday.
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The process I went through to figure out if a TP was really a good buy was to figure out what exactly I needed it for. I just can't justify spending $400-600 on a tablet that's not going to fill an integral part of my technology needs, but $100-200 (depending on size/shipping/etc) is a reasonable amount for me, even if Android never gets ported to it.
The UI is attractive, and there are enough games and apps that I could let my 3 year old play with it while supervised and it wouldn't be the end of the world if something happened to it.
While your situation is likely different, hopefully there is a bit of insight into my personal decision making process in deciding if a TP was a good value or not.
Of course you should buy it...then flip it for 2-3x the price. Then put that money towards an iPad. Then jailbreak and hack to your heart's content and/or develop apps for a viable market.
Then sell the iPad for near full retail right before the next iteration drops and either buy the newest version or three Nook Colors for your family members.
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Of course you should buy it...then flip it for 2-3x the price. Then put that money towards an iPad. Then jailbreak and hack to your heart's content and/or develop apps for a viable market.
Then sell the iPad for near full retail right before the next iteration drops and either buy the newest version or three Nook Colors for your family members.
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lamest advice ever
especially when there's people out there that honestly want this device to use or to develop with. this is xda, not slickdeals.
yareally said:
lamest advice ever
especially when there's people out there that honestly want this device to use or to develop with. this is xda, not slickdeals.
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Try reading his question more carefully
debating weather to go and buy 3 (me, mother,step dad)
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He wants to tinker around on android but he already has a transformer and you think his mother and step dad want to develop on a dead platform?
How are they going to use it? Browse the web one tab at a time? Read e-books with the broken app? Play movies on the gimped player? My guess is you don't actually have one.
My advise is not only solid but it's based on experience with all of the devices in question. But perhaps his parents are xda members
well i know they wont develop on this, i had mentioned to them its a tablet and if they wanted one they can get one (if found) for $100, i told her to look at youtube reviews about the TP, she liked and wanted one.. i wasnt one to mod, toy, develop, and since its not bad hardware. and i dont want to turn around and sell for $250 as i have seen on Craigslist.
we mainly want one due to the firesale Price of $99, but i am unablet to find one so i dont think i will get one. i am no noob when it comes to electronics and software. i wouldnt get a ios device since i dont like the feel of ios, nor apple software. android is nice love it, webos, havent really had enough time to play with it but seemed to be promising if HP let it grow more.nook color is a nice toy, but not really my flavor, now i think ill retire my TF (for modding)when TF2 comes out (Kal-El) platform, so yea
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Try reading his question more carefully
He wants to tinker around on android but he already has a transformer and you think his mother and step dad want to develop on a dead platform?
How are they going to use it? Browse the web one tab at a time? Read e-books with the broken app? Play movies on the gimped player? My guess is you don't actually have one.
My advise is not only solid but it's based on experience with all of the devices in question. But perhaps his parents are xda members
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Yeah...so he should go buy a real tablet at full price and not screw people that want to actually develop for the touchpad...
Amazon is coming out with what will probably be a cheaper android tablet soon
To the OP: I hope you find what you are looking for though from your previous comment above. You seemed to thought things through at least
Pending on buying.. worth it?
The only reason why I'm even considering buying this is because I saw that android will be able to hopefully run on this and id like to see honeycomb as well as ubuntu on this and the price has become cheaper. I know you all here have it so i was wondering your personal opinions on the device.
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Hannspad or HP Touchpad?
Hello!
Lately I have been looking at the Hannspad, but since the kernel hasn't been released I assume that the custom roms aren't as good as they could be (or am I wrong?).
So I was looking at the HP Touchpad instead, which has very nice specs (better than Hannspad? 1GB Ram & 1.2GHz snap, 10 point touch! Better price) and Android development for it is slowly starting for it, 2.3.5 is working and I hope they'll get it functional soon!
So what are your thoughts? Should I look at the Touchpad and see how development goes over the next three weeks or get the Hannspad ?
I'll buy in the beginning of next month, and I'd like to have a somewhat functional tablet, so what are your thoughts? Will the HP ever get ported so good, that it'll work 100%? How about hardware accel.
Thank you <3
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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
Asus got its own perks... and besides viewing angles this tablet is doing what I need. I see no other issues unless you have to have HC OS.
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
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How does this help him? Buy an Asus, ipad, xoom or whatever the flavor of the week is?
The dev community and the price tag make the g tablet a win. If you were forced to run stock that's a different story.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Don't forget to mention that the touchscreen itself is a pain - hardly multi-touch at all.....
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He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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All nice...but...none of this is what the OP asked. He/She wanted to know was this a good purchase at a good price. I'm sure he/she saw other tablets on the market and shopped within budget. There's always a step up you can spring for, show me a better tablet at or under $300.00 and I'll recant.
Should I buy the BMW, why not the Mercedes.
I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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I believe my response answered the OP
schettj said:
If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
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is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
Quality is everything to me, my Xoom does everything I need and it's stable, plus it will most likely get regular updates to issues and featurees. Still, it looks like a great tablet compared the Galaxy Tab.
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Well that's good news. Enjoy, they're pretty much gone and many stores stopped accepting back orders.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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I didn't seriously consider any tablet when they were 400 dollars or over. I would buy an Asus down the line (when it is close to obsolete) when it hits 299.99 or lower.
However I was not aware Viewsonic did not support the G-Tablet very well. Is support in this forum from developers going to dry up in the next year? If I could get year out of this tablet I would be happy. Obviously I hoping for Gingerbread. Or Honeycomb rather? I am a newbie. (can't you tell?)
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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There are different factors too.... Look at the Nexus One. Still getting updates (albeit it's Google's), but TMobile is still pushing updates for the myTouch.... The Evo is 1yr old. Others are older and still getting development from the community at-large. A company's willingness to be open to the community contributes as well....
Check it here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17150848&postcount=685
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Check it here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17150848&postcount=685
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The soap opera continues.... I've seen a lot of stories with different takes on this. Officially, I believe they're saying they are just producing another run mainly to fulfill outstanding orders. Apparently (read: "refreshingly") they still care about their company image. In my short time with WebOS, I've come to become quite enamored with it. I hope it and the Touchpad live on. Heck, it just skyrocketed in marketshare!
Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
HP is going to have to pay for all those touchpads anyway. They most likely have a contract with the parts and mfg companies for XXX amount of tablets. They could either stop production and pay the parts/mfg companies anyway due to contract obligations or they build and sell what was already in the que. Yes it will be at a loss but only 2/3 of that loss. They could lose 3/3. So, selling what they can is the best move for them and for us. The more TP's sold to geeks, the stronger the dev community and the higher chance a larger player will jump in and take over the hardware and OS.
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Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
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^This.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
the average cost of a Superbowl commercial is 3 million dollars for 30 seconds. So lost money from HP really dosent matter. To me, this was all a publicity stunt. And i'm happy, because i got a 150 dollar dual core tablet with 32GB of memory that is about to be ported to android..
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Very good analogy. The only way I could see Samsung biting on a WebOS deal is if they could somehow work it similarish to how Blackberry is trying to do it, and have Android apps run on top of WebOS. WebOS would be their hedge against a Google/Motorola partnership, although doing it this way wouldn't be that good of a hedge because there still wouldn't be any native WebOS apps if in fact Samsung had to break away from Google/Android.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Source - http://allthingsd.com/20110829/samsung-eyeing-webos/
webOS will still be supported (According to HP) and patched and also the Palm Pre3 is coming with it on it. With Google making the Motorola deal it makes total sense for Samsung to acquire webOS. And you are right, HP spent $1.2 billion on Palm, you think they are just going to lay everyone off and dissolve the company? Sell it, make some cash. I listen to Wall Street which is usually right about these things because there's money involved. I am with everyone else, I got a TouchPad which works fine for $149. I could care less if anyone ever develops anything for it, it does pretty much everything right now, pretty well. If Android ports to it I will go there but for $149 it was less than my phone.
This entire TouchPad story is the biggest publicity that HP has had in 20 years. With HP in a tailspin, who knows what will happen. On WSJ.com read the article "HP's One Year Plan". That pretty much explains it. If I hear of TouchPads popping up I will report them here. I hope all XDA folks can get one, it's a great deal.
Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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From the WSJ SMART MONEY Blog
PAY DIRT // AUGUST 31, 2011, 2:35 PM
At 75% Off, the H-P TouchPad is No Bargain
By Kelli B. Grant
A 75%-off sale is usually both a lure and warning: get cheap now what nobody wanted to pick up at full price.
Shoppers enticed by the fire sales on the $99 H-P TouchPad would do well to keep that in mind, some experts say. H-P recently discontinued the once $399-plus tablet, marking down the remaining inventory to as low as $99. Now the company says it plans to make one last small production run, to be sold this fall for an as-yet-unannounced price.
As today’s Wall Street Journal points out, the decision is odd from a business perspective: It costs H-P $306 to make one 16GB tablet, so selling it for $99 results in a $207 loss. (Analysts say H-P is likely just using the last of its pre-purchased parts.) But the real head-scratcher is why consumers are so eager to now buy a tablet that was roundly reviewed as disappointing for its heft, so-so operating system and lack of apps, says Andrew Eisner, director of content for Retrevo.com. “Unless you have $99 burning a hole in your pocket, you might want to wait,” he says.
After all, the tablet market is nothing if not competitive. The iPad 3 could be coming our way as soon as October, and Amazon is months away from releasing two tablets expected to cost less than $300, Eisner says. Tablet-makers are also likely to offer more incentives during the busy holiday shopping season, says Louis Ramirez, a senior feature writer for sale site DealNews.com. Two days after H-P discontinued the TouchPad, for example, sales popped up on Samsung’s Galaxy tablet, dropping the price from $340 to as low as $280. Deals will be at their best during the week of Black Friday, he predicts.
Material costs make it unlikely that other tablet manufacturers can go much below the $199 price point right now, says Chris Connery, vice president of PC and IT displays for market researcher DisplaySearch. Yes, that’s twice the price of the TouchPad, but those tablets also come with operating systems that have support and updates going forward; the TouchPad has that for now, but H-P has discussed spinning off or selling WebOS, which makes the future of that support uncertain, he says. That also means there’s no incentive for developers to come up with apps that work on the tablet.
Still, the $99 H-P TouchPad provides the best opportunity for consumers who don’t want much more than a cheap way to surf the Internet from their couch, Eisner says. “It might make a nice collector’s item,” he says.
Clarification: A previous version of this story was unclear about H-P’s commitment to support the TouchPad and WebOS.
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Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
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Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
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That was a very entertaining read.
I think you will see lots of devs building apps for webos. There is a large vacuum to fill here, android and ios are already saturated with apps.
My thoughts, there are a few advantages to HP:
1. They have an parts or a contract for X number of units. Seeing the demand it is more cost effective to build these units even if they are taking a loss. Canceling the contract may have cost the the same amount or more.
2. With the number of unites now on the market there will be more incentive for developers to deliver more WebOS apps. The expanded ecosystem also give WebOS more value for potential licensees or buyers.
This makes sense - http://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2011/09/01/h-ps-touchpad-relaunch-may-limit-write-downs/
And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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Well, she got the job. Time will tell if Ms. Whitman is what they needed or whether she is the same "Nut-Meg" that blew $100 million dollars on her failed gubernatorial attempt.
Seeing as how her business savvy did make her a billionaire at eBay, I want to see if her consumer-focused attitudes will also help us out with WebOS. If she is smart, she will have realized the TP firesale phenomenon is a sign that they could even restart production and sell quite a few more, just not at the original MSRP. Obviously, they can't afford to sell them at $99 again, but they COULD sell them at $249 or so and make up the difference with a heavily expanded software catalog. Hell, add a truly functional USB host and SD Card expandability and I would pay $300 for the thing today.
Amazon is willing to sell their tablet at a loss, hoping for potential revenue from online books and movies.
A team up with Amazon to sell them, sell movies, music, apps, etc., would be a match made in heaven in my opinion.
I've used IOS, Android and WebOS on a tablet.
I'll take how WebOS works every time.
However, the browser is terrible and the apps (or lack thereof) suck...
Put Amazon behind them, devs will jump on board for the product and apps...
I wanted to say thanks guys! All of you have been great and I have learned a lot about my touchpad. But on Friday I will be getting a Xoom. I like the touchpad but I really want Honeycomb. I like CM7 but I am kind of sick of it as I have it on my Nook and phone. So My touchpad will go on e-bay this weekend. I love Webos but I just dont see a real future in it (even with a new ceo). If they pick it back up and start putting out new stuff maybe i will return one day.
I know you guys will be rocking these things to the fullest!
Best of luck with your new device.
the whole community basically collapsed on itself. I don't think I'll be buying another tablet anytime soon. it's not worth it. Maybe 2020, things might improve... I'm throwing this TP in the trash..
DreamOWD said:
the whole community basically collapsed on itself. I don't think I'll be buying another tablet anytime soon. it's not worth it. Maybe 2020, things might improve... I'm throwing this TP in the trash..
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I'll take it for free if you dont want it
NissanNick said:
...But on Friday I will be getting a Xoom...
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Good luck with your new device but are you sure you wanna get the Xoom? You should really give the Samsung Galaxy 8.9 or 10.1 a try. Better yet, wait for the Sony Tablet S.
citiboi said:
Good luck with your new device but are you sure you wanna get the Xoom? You should really give the Samsung Galaxy 8.9 or 10.1 a try. Better yet, wait for the Sony Tablet S.
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Personally, I would get a Xoom too, with it being Google's child basically, it's always going to be in the loop for things.
Good luck i would to recommend the sammy im gonna hold on a bit longer and wait for cm7 after a month the £89 i paid doesnt seem as much of a bargain
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I don't know what the hell matter is over HP, and I used to trust HP a lot and still hold my confidence with those guys. But why HP just pick up some changing plans and move on? I still HP still have unique competitiveness in hardware field of IT industry.
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I'm throwing this TP in the trash..
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Suuuuuuure you are.
bunch of emo children
How did Google Chrome get all it's apps?
Well i like the Samsung, but it does not have a SD slot, HDMI out (I think there is another one but i can remember). Now i could but the adapters for the Samsung but the hell with that lol.
The Xoom will not cost me a lot once i sell the TP. The xoom also has some great Roms, apps and accessory support.
I will miss the touchstone.. that's my favorite thing lol.
Good luck OP with your new device.
End of discussion, thank you.
Ok , a co worker is selling a 32G almost new touchpad. I really want to buy this since i missed out on the firesale and he is offering at the same price as he bought it for and also CM devs are working on it and judging by the videos i saw, i see a lot of potential.
Now since you guys are already on it and some of you have installed CM7 on it, i want to know if its a good investment as I intend to use it only with android. I know its still in alpha and developing stage, but is the hardware really worth the investment ?
Or should I hold on for a few more months and then buy something better ?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Well if he's asking for 150 that's a steal people these days are dying for a deal like that
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cesarcerros31 said:
Well if he's asking for 150 that's a steal people these days are dying for a deal like that
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yeah definitely jump on it.
and then send it to me.
thanks
jk
I've got the alpha loaded on mine, haven't messed with it to much but the major things are working no problem. My opinion, buy it! Great investment. Maybe its the CM7 team being humble or my ignorance but this build looks like it is closer to beta than alpha, my opinion
Edit: As far as the hardware, everything on it is great, except the camera. Its kinda crappy in either OS. The speakers are loud and clear. I had the processor('s) overclocked to 1.5ghz normally but up to 1.7 and it was stable, that was in webOS only, haven't got that far in Android. The one thing I like about the touchpad over other tablets, and it may seem gimicky, but the Touchstone built in inductive charging. I'm not to familiar with other official Android tablets, but the lack of expandable memory on the touchpad kinda stinks, but theres enough cloud services and what not to cover that. The list goes on, overall, theres a lot more positives than negatives on this device. No regrets!
Thanks guys. Really appreciate the honest answers. I actually got my hands on it today and im pretty impressed.
I think i'll buy it and 150 is a steal like you guys pointed out. Cant wait to get on the development forums and start messing around with the CM7.
Thanks guys!
Definitely get it. I bought one during the firesale and had doubts about webOS. Now I love it. I also have a Asus Transformer but I have only used it 2 or 3 times since I got the TP. I basically gave the transformer to my wife. Now I love WebOS. It is definitely more user friendly than honeycomb. I wish there were more apps, but there is still an app for pretty much everything. I hate to see how kill what palm worked so hard for, but that's the only way I would have ever experienced it, because I damn sure wasn't going to pay $600 for a tp.
Definitely get it and just give webOS a try. If you like Android I think you will be impressed with webOS. It has a look and feel like Android with a skin rather than a full separate OS. If someone could make Android apps run on the Touchpad I wouldn't be able to find a single bad thing to say about a TP at all.
Also please don't think I am any sort of palm/hp/webOS fanboy trying to troll. I am truly and Android fan and will always be, webOS has just grabbed more of my attention in the tablet space, for now. That could all change after ICS is released.
Good luck, and definitely get it. Worse case u don't like it and could still sell it for a small profit.
lol when i went to Android i kept trying to swipe up to change apps.
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Hey guys! hope ur all doing well
so i am looking for a nice tablet and i feel for the hp touchpad. The problem is: Its not sold in my country so i have to buy it from Ebay. I am now wondering is 260$ worth buying the HP Touchpad? It will be 300$ including shipping, thats the cheapst i could find on Ebay. I was looking for the motorola Xoom but its very expensive..with shipping it could be 450-500$ for the Xoom. So help me out plz, should i buy it?! never owned a tablet before, and from looking at the reviews, WebOS looks awesome, so smooth and then u'll always have the chooice to put android (i think with ICS it will become even better when the source code is released) what is your thoughts? hit me!
Clay333 said:
Definitely get it. I bought one during the firesale and had doubts about webOS. Now I love it. I also have a Asus Transformer but I have only used it 2 or 3 times since I got the TP. I basically gave the transformer to my wife. Now I love WebOS. It is definitely more user friendly than honeycomb. I wish there were more apps, but there is still an app for pretty much everything. I hate to see how kill what palm worked so hard for, but that's the only way I would have ever experienced it, because I damn sure wasn't going to pay $600 for a tp.
Definitely get it and just give webOS a try. If you like Android I think you will be impressed with webOS. It has a look and feel like Android with a skin rather than a full separate OS. If someone could make Android apps run on the Touchpad I wouldn't be able to find a single bad thing to say about a TP at all.
Also please don't think I am any sort of palm/hp/webOS fanboy trying to troll. I am truly and Android fan and will always be, webOS has just grabbed more of my attention in the tablet space, for now. That could all change after ICS is released.
Good luck, and definitely get it. Worse case u don't like it and could still sell it for a small profit.
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I agree. I like Webos.. Its pretty.. Easy to use.. I like the multitasking concept.. Though I just added perfect task switcher in Android which sorta gives you the same thing though not as good. Android is clunky compared to it.. Because its made for for small screens.. But I still love it and haven't booted webos since cm7 lol...
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lol when i went to Android i kept trying to swipe up to change apps.
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Same here! Still getting used to the onscreen "soft keys" as well
At the fire sale price or close to it, it's a no brainer. Not even worth asking...
Worse comes to worse if you absolutely hate WebOS, you can always sell it and at very least get you money back.
Despite the Herculean efforts of the developers to bring the NT up to the standards of a real Android tablet, I grew frustrated by the amount of time and effort I had to spend tweaking and coaxing mine just to get it to work reliably. After a post on the Barnes and Noble forums from a B&N person who essentially said the official position was not going to change and that securing the Nooks is the company position from here forward, I decided I did not want to forever swim upstream.
I returned the NT and bought a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus. For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
Got a link to that B& N post?
Nexus S 4G 4.0.3
I'm not giving up-- we're finally getting somewhere (and i don't have a extra $100 for something nicer to begin with).
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Got a link to that B& N post?
Nexus S 4G 4.0.3
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http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/NOOK-Tablet-General-Discussion/Regarding-1-4-1/td-p/1256101
Its funny to me on the forum at B&N the way people complain, B&N is a corporation, very rarely do they listen to their consumers. I think its funny that people think their voice will be heard and a difference will be made. It takes a much larger group then the one behind the nooks to get results. Which is why the XDA forum is awesome, because we are all behind this device and we all care and can make a difference.
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I left a message there and you would have thought I kicked a puppy. Man those people over there are sure sensitive to bad talk about their nooks.
I'm very close to doing the same thing. It's only a $100 difference and I don't see any other downside.
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I just returned mine. Didn't get the BN club membership back but that's a small price for the learning experience. I now have a better idea of what I want in a tablet and that's definitely not the closed garden approach that BN has taken.
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For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
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I paid $268.30 including tax at my local B&N for my NT.
The Gtab 7+ is $349 w/free shipping & no tax.
The difference for me will only be $80.70
I will get Honeycomb out of the box w/ICS scheduled to come out in a few months.
And I'm assuming more apps will be available in the Android Market as this tablet has been "Blessed" by Google to have the Market officially installed.
Don't forget the option of HDMI-out w/dongle.
And garyd9 over in the +'s forum is doing some great things developing for that platform as well.
Very hard to pass this up. The only thing holding me back is that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7+ is not able to connect to ad-hoc networks as of yet. So this means that I couldn't tether and that is also unacceptable. But as soon as this is overcome, I may make the jump. A decision will be made by 01/31!
I made the jump and I'm loving it. I wish all the owners and devs of the Nook Tab the best of luck now and in the future. I didn't need the drama and stress that came preloaded on the Nook Tab.
I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
kusje said:
I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
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The store never even looked at the date on my receipt. I suspect, until January 31, all returns will be accepted.
I can't do this anymore... I need a real tablet
So, I've decided finally that although a lot of forward progress has been made on hacking the Nook Tablet, I simply cannot justify continuing to own one, when I could trade it in and get an Iconia A100 for like... $10 more.
So, unless I miraculously receive enough donations to go out and get a real tablet that won't make me want to gouge my eyes out every other day from frustration, and sheer disgust at the moral quality of the manufacturer, I just cannot justify keeping my Nook Tablet.
I hope everyone the best of luck, and I'm sure we'll have custom ROMs running on the Nook Tablet before too long, and everything will be hunky dory, and life will be awesome... I'm simply unwilling to beat my head against the wall over the bull**** from Barnes and Noble...
This also means that snowball-mod will be finalized at snowball-mod v2.1.1, and I won't be able to offer much in the way of real support for it anymore... of course, I can naturally still answer a ton of questions and such, but without a Nook Tablet myself, there is kind of little testing or anything that I could do to help keep the updates coming, etc.
Maybe if the donations trickle in, and I finally get enough to repurchase a Nook Tablet, I might do that as well... who knows. What I am certain of however, is that I cannot keep my Nook Tablet as is, when for $10 more I can get a tablet that isn't going to treat me like a child who cannot make security decisions for myself. I'm a grown woman, and I can look after myself, thank you very much, Barnes & Noble...
Frankly I think the nook tablet is not for the weak hearted. It's a great device but it requires a lot of maintenance and care to make it work as well as it can. While it's a pity that we must work to stay ahead of B&N's attempts to cripple their own product, I think many would agree that the end result is worth the time and work. I've used quite a few tabs at this point and so far the NT (after being modded) is still the best of the bunch, far and away. It's the fastest, most responsive tab out there, for my money. And the battery life is the best I've ever seen. It far outlasts the iconia, which got about 4 to 5 hours at best, for me anyhow. It's not a perfect tablet and I really resent B&N's insane desire to keep it as locked down as possible, but quite frankly, it does seem like the best tab on the market at the moment. And that's why I'm keeping mine. I need the best product, not necessarily the easiest. I do wish the NT was easier to maintain, but the trade off of having a really awesome tab is worth it to me. Plus now that we've found a way to block OTA's, I'm finally done worrying about the state of my NT and I can focus on enjoying it.
So yeah, I'm keeping my nook tablet. The only thing that could make me reconsider is the Archos 70B IT, which is releasing soon and which has impressive specs and a 200 dollar price point. But no one's actually seen or used one yet, so there's no word on performance and more importantly, on battery life. I'm guessing those details will trickle out in the next couple weeks, or possibly when the device debuts at the CES next week. If its the powerhouse it's marketed as, I may consider it. If not, it's Nook Tablet for me, all the way.
So best of luck to all those who jumped ship. Hope you find what you're seeking in other tablets. But me, I'm planning to remain on board the Nook Tablet ship. The rewards seem to far outweigh the work.
You raise very good points, and it's why it has been such a struggle for me to choose for so long. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with this tablet. It is wonderful, it is responsive, it is simply an incredible tablet.
However, I simply cannot abide the moral quality of the company making it. They disgust me, and I simply have no desire to do business with them. That is how upset I am with them, that it would override my darling appreciation of their product.
Anyways, I posted a message on the B&N forums detailing the morality of their argument "security concerns" for the updates and blocking 3rd party installations. http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...n-to/m-p/1264783/message-uid/1264783#U1264783
It boils down to "this denies the user's self-determination, and ability to make informed choices". We're adults, not children. B&N is in no moral place to lock us up for our own good... they are moral in locking us up, because that is their business choice to make money, but presenting the argument that it is for our own good, switches the field from the moral "we want your money", to the immoral "you have no right to choose".