Despite the Herculean efforts of the developers to bring the NT up to the standards of a real Android tablet, I grew frustrated by the amount of time and effort I had to spend tweaking and coaxing mine just to get it to work reliably. After a post on the Barnes and Noble forums from a B&N person who essentially said the official position was not going to change and that securing the Nooks is the company position from here forward, I decided I did not want to forever swim upstream.
I returned the NT and bought a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus. For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
Got a link to that B& N post?
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I'm not giving up-- we're finally getting somewhere (and i don't have a extra $100 for something nicer to begin with).
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Got a link to that B& N post?
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http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/NOOK-Tablet-General-Discussion/Regarding-1-4-1/td-p/1256101
Its funny to me on the forum at B&N the way people complain, B&N is a corporation, very rarely do they listen to their consumers. I think its funny that people think their voice will be heard and a difference will be made. It takes a much larger group then the one behind the nooks to get results. Which is why the XDA forum is awesome, because we are all behind this device and we all care and can make a difference.
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I left a message there and you would have thought I kicked a puppy. Man those people over there are sure sensitive to bad talk about their nooks.
I'm very close to doing the same thing. It's only a $100 difference and I don't see any other downside.
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I just returned mine. Didn't get the BN club membership back but that's a small price for the learning experience. I now have a better idea of what I want in a tablet and that's definitely not the closed garden approach that BN has taken.
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For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
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I paid $268.30 including tax at my local B&N for my NT.
The Gtab 7+ is $349 w/free shipping & no tax.
The difference for me will only be $80.70
I will get Honeycomb out of the box w/ICS scheduled to come out in a few months.
And I'm assuming more apps will be available in the Android Market as this tablet has been "Blessed" by Google to have the Market officially installed.
Don't forget the option of HDMI-out w/dongle.
And garyd9 over in the +'s forum is doing some great things developing for that platform as well.
Very hard to pass this up. The only thing holding me back is that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7+ is not able to connect to ad-hoc networks as of yet. So this means that I couldn't tether and that is also unacceptable. But as soon as this is overcome, I may make the jump. A decision will be made by 01/31!
I made the jump and I'm loving it. I wish all the owners and devs of the Nook Tab the best of luck now and in the future. I didn't need the drama and stress that came preloaded on the Nook Tab.
I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
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I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
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The store never even looked at the date on my receipt. I suspect, until January 31, all returns will be accepted.
I can't do this anymore... I need a real tablet
So, I've decided finally that although a lot of forward progress has been made on hacking the Nook Tablet, I simply cannot justify continuing to own one, when I could trade it in and get an Iconia A100 for like... $10 more.
So, unless I miraculously receive enough donations to go out and get a real tablet that won't make me want to gouge my eyes out every other day from frustration, and sheer disgust at the moral quality of the manufacturer, I just cannot justify keeping my Nook Tablet.
I hope everyone the best of luck, and I'm sure we'll have custom ROMs running on the Nook Tablet before too long, and everything will be hunky dory, and life will be awesome... I'm simply unwilling to beat my head against the wall over the bull**** from Barnes and Noble...
This also means that snowball-mod will be finalized at snowball-mod v2.1.1, and I won't be able to offer much in the way of real support for it anymore... of course, I can naturally still answer a ton of questions and such, but without a Nook Tablet myself, there is kind of little testing or anything that I could do to help keep the updates coming, etc.
Maybe if the donations trickle in, and I finally get enough to repurchase a Nook Tablet, I might do that as well... who knows. What I am certain of however, is that I cannot keep my Nook Tablet as is, when for $10 more I can get a tablet that isn't going to treat me like a child who cannot make security decisions for myself. I'm a grown woman, and I can look after myself, thank you very much, Barnes & Noble...
Frankly I think the nook tablet is not for the weak hearted. It's a great device but it requires a lot of maintenance and care to make it work as well as it can. While it's a pity that we must work to stay ahead of B&N's attempts to cripple their own product, I think many would agree that the end result is worth the time and work. I've used quite a few tabs at this point and so far the NT (after being modded) is still the best of the bunch, far and away. It's the fastest, most responsive tab out there, for my money. And the battery life is the best I've ever seen. It far outlasts the iconia, which got about 4 to 5 hours at best, for me anyhow. It's not a perfect tablet and I really resent B&N's insane desire to keep it as locked down as possible, but quite frankly, it does seem like the best tab on the market at the moment. And that's why I'm keeping mine. I need the best product, not necessarily the easiest. I do wish the NT was easier to maintain, but the trade off of having a really awesome tab is worth it to me. Plus now that we've found a way to block OTA's, I'm finally done worrying about the state of my NT and I can focus on enjoying it.
So yeah, I'm keeping my nook tablet. The only thing that could make me reconsider is the Archos 70B IT, which is releasing soon and which has impressive specs and a 200 dollar price point. But no one's actually seen or used one yet, so there's no word on performance and more importantly, on battery life. I'm guessing those details will trickle out in the next couple weeks, or possibly when the device debuts at the CES next week. If its the powerhouse it's marketed as, I may consider it. If not, it's Nook Tablet for me, all the way.
So best of luck to all those who jumped ship. Hope you find what you're seeking in other tablets. But me, I'm planning to remain on board the Nook Tablet ship. The rewards seem to far outweigh the work.
You raise very good points, and it's why it has been such a struggle for me to choose for so long. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with this tablet. It is wonderful, it is responsive, it is simply an incredible tablet.
However, I simply cannot abide the moral quality of the company making it. They disgust me, and I simply have no desire to do business with them. That is how upset I am with them, that it would override my darling appreciation of their product.
Anyways, I posted a message on the B&N forums detailing the morality of their argument "security concerns" for the updates and blocking 3rd party installations. http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...n-to/m-p/1264783/message-uid/1264783#U1264783
It boils down to "this denies the user's self-determination, and ability to make informed choices". We're adults, not children. B&N is in no moral place to lock us up for our own good... they are moral in locking us up, because that is their business choice to make money, but presenting the argument that it is for our own good, switches the field from the moral "we want your money", to the immoral "you have no right to choose".
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Check it here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17150848&postcount=685
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The soap opera continues.... I've seen a lot of stories with different takes on this. Officially, I believe they're saying they are just producing another run mainly to fulfill outstanding orders. Apparently (read: "refreshingly") they still care about their company image. In my short time with WebOS, I've come to become quite enamored with it. I hope it and the Touchpad live on. Heck, it just skyrocketed in marketshare!
Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
HP is going to have to pay for all those touchpads anyway. They most likely have a contract with the parts and mfg companies for XXX amount of tablets. They could either stop production and pay the parts/mfg companies anyway due to contract obligations or they build and sell what was already in the que. Yes it will be at a loss but only 2/3 of that loss. They could lose 3/3. So, selling what they can is the best move for them and for us. The more TP's sold to geeks, the stronger the dev community and the higher chance a larger player will jump in and take over the hardware and OS.
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Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
the average cost of a Superbowl commercial is 3 million dollars for 30 seconds. So lost money from HP really dosent matter. To me, this was all a publicity stunt. And i'm happy, because i got a 150 dollar dual core tablet with 32GB of memory that is about to be ported to android..
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Very good analogy. The only way I could see Samsung biting on a WebOS deal is if they could somehow work it similarish to how Blackberry is trying to do it, and have Android apps run on top of WebOS. WebOS would be their hedge against a Google/Motorola partnership, although doing it this way wouldn't be that good of a hedge because there still wouldn't be any native WebOS apps if in fact Samsung had to break away from Google/Android.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Source - http://allthingsd.com/20110829/samsung-eyeing-webos/
webOS will still be supported (According to HP) and patched and also the Palm Pre3 is coming with it on it. With Google making the Motorola deal it makes total sense for Samsung to acquire webOS. And you are right, HP spent $1.2 billion on Palm, you think they are just going to lay everyone off and dissolve the company? Sell it, make some cash. I listen to Wall Street which is usually right about these things because there's money involved. I am with everyone else, I got a TouchPad which works fine for $149. I could care less if anyone ever develops anything for it, it does pretty much everything right now, pretty well. If Android ports to it I will go there but for $149 it was less than my phone.
This entire TouchPad story is the biggest publicity that HP has had in 20 years. With HP in a tailspin, who knows what will happen. On WSJ.com read the article "HP's One Year Plan". That pretty much explains it. If I hear of TouchPads popping up I will report them here. I hope all XDA folks can get one, it's a great deal.
Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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From the WSJ SMART MONEY Blog
PAY DIRT // AUGUST 31, 2011, 2:35 PM
At 75% Off, the H-P TouchPad is No Bargain
By Kelli B. Grant
A 75%-off sale is usually both a lure and warning: get cheap now what nobody wanted to pick up at full price.
Shoppers enticed by the fire sales on the $99 H-P TouchPad would do well to keep that in mind, some experts say. H-P recently discontinued the once $399-plus tablet, marking down the remaining inventory to as low as $99. Now the company says it plans to make one last small production run, to be sold this fall for an as-yet-unannounced price.
As today’s Wall Street Journal points out, the decision is odd from a business perspective: It costs H-P $306 to make one 16GB tablet, so selling it for $99 results in a $207 loss. (Analysts say H-P is likely just using the last of its pre-purchased parts.) But the real head-scratcher is why consumers are so eager to now buy a tablet that was roundly reviewed as disappointing for its heft, so-so operating system and lack of apps, says Andrew Eisner, director of content for Retrevo.com. “Unless you have $99 burning a hole in your pocket, you might want to wait,” he says.
After all, the tablet market is nothing if not competitive. The iPad 3 could be coming our way as soon as October, and Amazon is months away from releasing two tablets expected to cost less than $300, Eisner says. Tablet-makers are also likely to offer more incentives during the busy holiday shopping season, says Louis Ramirez, a senior feature writer for sale site DealNews.com. Two days after H-P discontinued the TouchPad, for example, sales popped up on Samsung’s Galaxy tablet, dropping the price from $340 to as low as $280. Deals will be at their best during the week of Black Friday, he predicts.
Material costs make it unlikely that other tablet manufacturers can go much below the $199 price point right now, says Chris Connery, vice president of PC and IT displays for market researcher DisplaySearch. Yes, that’s twice the price of the TouchPad, but those tablets also come with operating systems that have support and updates going forward; the TouchPad has that for now, but H-P has discussed spinning off or selling WebOS, which makes the future of that support uncertain, he says. That also means there’s no incentive for developers to come up with apps that work on the tablet.
Still, the $99 H-P TouchPad provides the best opportunity for consumers who don’t want much more than a cheap way to surf the Internet from their couch, Eisner says. “It might make a nice collector’s item,” he says.
Clarification: A previous version of this story was unclear about H-P’s commitment to support the TouchPad and WebOS.
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Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
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Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
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That was a very entertaining read.
I think you will see lots of devs building apps for webos. There is a large vacuum to fill here, android and ios are already saturated with apps.
My thoughts, there are a few advantages to HP:
1. They have an parts or a contract for X number of units. Seeing the demand it is more cost effective to build these units even if they are taking a loss. Canceling the contract may have cost the the same amount or more.
2. With the number of unites now on the market there will be more incentive for developers to deliver more WebOS apps. The expanded ecosystem also give WebOS more value for potential licensees or buyers.
This makes sense - http://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2011/09/01/h-ps-touchpad-relaunch-may-limit-write-downs/
And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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Well, she got the job. Time will tell if Ms. Whitman is what they needed or whether she is the same "Nut-Meg" that blew $100 million dollars on her failed gubernatorial attempt.
Seeing as how her business savvy did make her a billionaire at eBay, I want to see if her consumer-focused attitudes will also help us out with WebOS. If she is smart, she will have realized the TP firesale phenomenon is a sign that they could even restart production and sell quite a few more, just not at the original MSRP. Obviously, they can't afford to sell them at $99 again, but they COULD sell them at $249 or so and make up the difference with a heavily expanded software catalog. Hell, add a truly functional USB host and SD Card expandability and I would pay $300 for the thing today.
Amazon is willing to sell their tablet at a loss, hoping for potential revenue from online books and movies.
A team up with Amazon to sell them, sell movies, music, apps, etc., would be a match made in heaven in my opinion.
I've used IOS, Android and WebOS on a tablet.
I'll take how WebOS works every time.
However, the browser is terrible and the apps (or lack thereof) suck...
Put Amazon behind them, devs will jump on board for the product and apps...
It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
While I do agree you should take a stand against a company, threatening to return something isn't the way to go about it. I think there is more formal methods but I'm not saying you're wrong, just wanting true proper justification for the act.
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It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
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I think you missed the Nook Color and how much fun it was. BN lied outright to me before I bought this device. Most people bought the nook color because they could make it "their own". That will never be possible with a locked bootloader. The NT has great specs, but so does the Droid Bionic and there is 2 developers on it in over 3 months. The kernel sucks so the roms can't improve things much.
I'm just disappointed. I was looking for a dual core, 7-inch tablet that didn't suck. When this came out I thought that it's perfect. I'll just load ICS onto it and it'll be a steal for $259! I guess B&N really ****ed me over this time.
Quite simply: I wouldn't return mine, but then again, I'm not a rebel non-conformist like some people are. I research a device and make sure it fits my needs and is to my liking before I buy it. I'm pretty happy with my little NT.
I don't know where you're getting you "rebel non-conformist" accusation from. Some of us just like the idea of buying cheap hardware and putting a tablet-centric operating system on it. What's wrong with that?
Granted, I should have looked it up sooner and figured out that the bootloader was locked. But that's my fault.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, sounds great. But there's a saying, I believe it goes: 'You get what you pay for.' ;p I was mostly referring to the bro trying to throw around money to convince people to crack the bootloader or whatever that entails.
The only thing missing that would be supplied by a custom ROM like CM7 is copy/paste, but I suppose I can live without it for now.
I was considering returning the tablet but I've decided to keep it. For my money, it's the best device of it's kind out there and at this point I've tried quite a few. The only reason I was considering returning it is because of the fear that B&N might push out an update that will block the ability to sideload apps. I haven't been successful in my attempts to root the NT yet (still working on it) but now I'm determined to root it, if only to try and block automatic updates. If it wasn't for those updates, I'd happily remain unrooted forever. The ability to sideload apps is more than enough for me and that ability turns a really good tablet into a truly fantastic one.
If B&N closes the loophole, I will still be able to use the NT to read books and comics and watch movies and that will be great. But right now I can do so much more and it would be a shame to lose that ability. And so I continue my attempts to root and then block OTA updates. So far no success, but I'm gonna keep at it. I will do whatever I can do to help the NT remain as fantastic as it has been so far.
I wouldn't return mine. I knew going in the bootloader was locked. Sure, I'd love it if it wasn't, but I'm satisfied with sideloading and rooting. My NT is now pretty much perfect for my needs, and I consider it a steal for the price.
Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience. I even quit buying Kindle books and started buying nook books to support B and N further.
My main reason for supporting them however is that I don't want the last book store I can visit to go under. If that means no CM then so be it.
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I had read about the locked bootloader before buying. I did wait until it was rooted and google market was available. I was watching the rooting thread as it was happening and bought it the next morning.
Pretty happy with my current NT setup right now, with all the apps I had when I had the NC. Only difference is that everything runs so much faster and smoother.
The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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You do realize its able to be blocked by a hosts file? We just need the URLs for it
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Keeping or not keeping the Nook Tablet is a personal choice for each person. There are arguments on each side and having people fighting over them in a thread is just asking for the flaming and stuff to start here to like it is on the rezound forums lol.
I respect a person's choice to keep their tablet, and they should respect my decision to return it if the bootloader isn't unlocked.
As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
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As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
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Considering this isn't the dev section (notice the "Nook Tablet General") section at the top this is EXACTLY the correct spot to complain. If you don't want to see upset people who were lied to complain then don't read the thread that is obviously (from the name "Why would you return the nook tablet") going to contain EXACTLY what you want to avoid.
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If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience.
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Of course you're satisfied. You have a new toy, and right now you're either enjoying features you haven't had before, or are enjoying features you /have/ had before, but on a faster device or new screen size.
Being satisfied now does not equal being satisfied later though. Eventually you will wish you could upgrade your OS without having to buy new hardware, but that may not be possible.
More importantly though, sending the message to OEMs that we accept the restrictions they impose buy buying locked down devices only motivates them to do it again with future devices.
I'm voting with my wallet.
Thing is, if the bootloader was unlocked, I'd buy instantly, and most likely use the device stock for quite a while before installing any ROMs. That would at least allow a chance for me to try out the B&N book store service. By not buying, no chance. Hopefully they consider this and provide a solution.
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The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
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Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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I thought it was discovered that rooting the device gave you access to this?
With the 1.4.1 update, Barnes & Noble has demonstrated an aggressive anti-root and sideloaded apps intent.
There is no reason to think that 1.4.2 and later won't continue in this vein.
I don't want to work with a device from a manufacturer with this attitude. Even things that work today - might not tomorrow.
My still-wrapped Nook Tablet is going back today.
Thanks again to all the developers who worked so hard to make this the best tablet in it's price range!
I do hope B&N achieve the success in this market they so richly deserve.
I am outta here...
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Bend, Oregon.
This is pretty much what I posted on the B&N web site today. They sure make it hard to provide feedback on company policies.
My Nook went back to the local B&N today - but I was totally unsuccessful in getting my reason for return registered.
I stated the Nook Tablet was the best device in it's class - but B&N policies about side-loading apps as evidenced by the 1.4.1 update make it a non-viable solution for me.
At least 4 times, the department manager did not exactly say I was stupid, but she did keep repeating that I was misinformed, and that unless I called Tech Support I really had no idea.
The reason for return was listed as "Customer did not like it" - which could not be further from the truth.
B&N feels that the modder community is no more than 3 percent of sales, and no risk to alienating them, but my fear is that the influence on sales is far more than 3 percent.
We will see how it goes after the technical web sites pick this up.
Side note - if you do return one, take a printed copy of the B&N return policy with you. I was told my unit was past the return date - but I had a policy copy with me. They grumbled a bit.
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Bend, Oregon.
This is pretty much what I posted on the B&N web site today. They sure make it hard to provide feedback on company policies.
My Nook went back to the local B&N today - but I was totally unsuccessful in getting my reason for return registered.
I stated the Nook Tablet was the best device in it's class - but B&N policies about side-loading apps as evidenced by the 1.4.1 update make it a non-viable solution for me.
At least 4 times, the department manager did not exactly say I was stupid, but she did keep repeating that I was misinformed, and that unless I called Tech Support I really had no idea.
The reason for return was listed as "Customer did not like it" - which could not be further from the truth.
B&N feels that the modder community is no more than 3 percent of sales, and no risk to alienating them, but my fear is that the influence on sales is far more than 3 percent.
We will see how it goes after the technical web sites pick this up.
Side note - if you do return one, take a printed copy of the B&N return policy with you. I was told my unit was past the return date - but I had a policy copy with me. They grumbled a bit.
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Please!!!! tell me where you found a link to the return policy that is good till Jan 31st. I went to the B&N site and they only state 14 days. I don't want to drive almost two hours to the store and have them tell me it's only 14 days. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Please!!!! tell me where you found a link to the return policy that is good till Jan 31st. I went to the B&N site and they only state 14 days. I don't want to drive almost two hours to the store and have them tell me it's only 14 days. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/help/help_cds2.asp?PID=37128
I have 7 days left and my NT is going back. This has convinced me to get a SGT7. Another $50-100 and I can have a real tablet without all the aggravation.
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Returning mine tomorrow. With the plethora of refurbished and new quality Android tablets below $300 I have decided to go with a different and more techie friendly vendor.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
zambien said:
Returning mine tomorrow. With the plethora of refurbished and new quality Android tablets below $300 I have decided to go with a different and more techie friendly vendor.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
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yeah i am thinking about doing the same thing. will probably return after xmas, i know it will be crazy then but ... just need a little more time to decide.
Mine is going back as well. The one thing I don't want is to be trapped in the B&N environment ever. This was my first tablet, and it made me realize what I DO want in a tablet so I pulled the trigger on an Iconia A500 last night. Yes it is a giant fat pig compared to the NT, but it has full honeycomb, Bluetooth, GPS, and a full size USB (host) port. I really love the size and hardware specs of the NT, but I do not have the energy to battle B&N . I also retracted my recommendations to my friends, as they are less techie than I am, and would just be disappointed. Who knows, maybe I'll pick up another one day
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The nook tab is great the way it is (pre-update). I played with my wifes while setting it up before wrapping it up for xmas. Being able to sideload apps and get the amazon market to get the same apps cheaper or free was amazing. My only gripe at the time was the lack of a copy/paste function. why in the world, they won't let you copy/paste to share an web address is beyond me...
If I'm not able to get this thing rooted and stop the OTA update, I might take it back and get her the kindle fire or a used nook color...
Looking like a return for me as well, Which kinda really sucks, but I suppose that's life.
No, those are only pebbles from a tree falling on your heads, not the actual sky, guys.
Mine is a keeper! Eventully someone will find a way to let "us" run what we want on it, without the control of B&N...
In the meantime, I've caved in for a KF to play with too
I'm thinking of using it until January 30 and then returning it. 4
This update is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I had just been debating to myself if I should take this back and get the HTC evo view. But now the choice is pretty clear. I'll be taking my NT back tomorrow morning. At least htc is pretty open about unlocking bootloaders to spur development. About to pull the trigger on an evo view for $239 on ebay, come join me brothers.
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Mine is a keeper! Eventully someone will find a way to let "us" run what we want on it, without the control of B&N...
In the meantime, I've caved in for a KF to play with too
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You could get a really nice tab if you returned both and used that money...
Well I just returned my Nook, I absolutely loved the device, but I did not feel like fighting the uphill battle and never knowing if an OTA update would stop me in my tracks.
Best of luck to everyone that keeps trying.
Returning mine as well...
and buying a Nook Color. **** you B&N, I will still hack your device and use it how I, the ****ing customer, want to. Take my money
While I am not happy that BN is locking the Tablet down, I do have complete faith in the awesome developers here on XDA.. I am sure they will crack it in no time flat...
For that reason I am keeping mine.. People are seriously over reacting to this... Manufacturers do it all the time and it is cracked all the time...
there's also no reason to think that they WILL keep on this way. wow some people are so negative.
i have one, it's rooted, and according to this site, all automatic updates are blocked by the rooting method. I'm not sure why everyone is throwing a fit, it's not like BN is the first company to patch an exploit in an update or to have a locked bootloader.
Nooks purchased between Nov. 14, 2011 and Dec. 31, 2011, may be returned through Jan. 31, 2012.
after 1.41 blocking sideloading and my pc's not playing nice with my Ntablet, And Google announcing their own tablet at a competitive price, im almost positive I'm going to return this nook and wait. I was starting to love it with the sideloading but now I see B$N's app store and stand on sideloading....im really annoyed.
Im about to bring this thing back.
I'm seriously considering it. I love the hardware, but not sure I want to hassle with the software. Cfoesch taking hers back has really made me stop and reconsider.
Not that I don't think Adam et al aren't doing great work, and I think they'll eventually get great things running on it, I'm just starting to think that I don't want to bother with it.
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Is this only if you bought it through B&N?
I gave it a lot of thought, and actually returned mine back in December. IMO, it was bad enough that the bootloader was locked. Then they started pushing out updates to plug the sideloading hole.
And ok, there were ways around it, but to me, it was principal. Who the **** is B&N to tell me how to use a device that I spent $250 on? and that's precisely why I returned it. there's no better way to express one's disatisfaction with a company then to hit their bottom line.
its still a nice device, but I just didn't want to support them any longer given their new business model with this device.
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Is this only if you bought it through B&N?
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This is their "holiday return policy."
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JoeM01 said:
I gave it a lot of thought, and actually returned mine back in December. IMO, it was bad enough that the bootloader was locked. Then they started pushing out updates to plug the sideloading hole.
And ok, there were ways around it, but to me, it was principal. Who the **** is B&N to tell me how to use a device that I spent $250 on? and that's precisely why I returned it. there's no better way to express one's disatisfaction with a company then to hit their bottom line.
its still a nice device, but I just didn't want to support them any longer given their new business model with this device.
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I agree. I really think that they are breaking the law by sending updates without the OWNERS approval.
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I agree. I really think that they are breaking the law by sending updates without the OWNERS approval.
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eh, there could be some language in the EULA saying that it's ok.
my problem is that they claim the hacking community is less than 3% of their total sales, and that's totally probable. However, if it's so small, why piss off that additional 3%? It's only going to contribute to total sales, granted that 3% isn't going to shop the B&N "store".
I understand their logic/rationale, but in the end, it's giving people a sour taste, and people are taking to boards, etc to complain. Anyone who hits up a google search about the Nook Tablet can see all the *****ing about the locked bootloader, and sideloading being plugged. Joe-Nobody may not even understand what any of that means, but just might not like seeing all the negative comments.
In the end, I won't give them my money. And that's all you can do, really. They're gonna get pushed out of the market by more powerful, actual, tablets, for marginally more money.
On the other hand, B&N are fighting the good fight against Microsoft against patent/licensing nonsense, so I like that. I'm hoping there's a way to get ICS eventually, but this is still a great device with 1.4.0, OTAs blocked, root, custom launcher, Market access, etc. This will tide me over for at least a few years.
Rooted and Loving It
I am thoroughly enjoying my NT. I got it in November, rooted it, had it unroot itself with the 1.4.1 update (urgggg), and used Indirect's method and other links to restore to 1.4.0, reroot, and block OTAs. My husband urged me to give up on the restore and reroot at one point, as it looked like I was going to blow a gasket or something. But I persevered.
Although I understand the sentiment that returning the device sends a message to B&N, I want to send a different kind of message.... I will do with this device as I choose. Although we (the 'rooters') are a small percentage of NT owners, we can be vocal and rather obstinate. I like to think that B&N may win a few battles, but they will lose the war.
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I like to think that B&N may win a few battles, but they will lose the war.
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unless B&N decides to release an unlock tool, I'm doubtful this will be the case. it's just not worth the dev's time to try and crack a bootloader to develop for it when there are so many other devices (with more on the way) that are already unlocked.
This is not my only tablet, and although my first go around with Android, this device serves my purpose (mostly a reader). I rooted and blocked the updates, so the only "real" issue is updating it with presumably better/more stable updates in the future without hosing it. 1.4.1 hasn't really received a lot of "Wow" feedback, so it was a maintenance update. Likely, we won't see much in the way up grand updates. B&N, if anything, will likely release a whole new device for any major updates.
Does it have issues? Yeah sure, what platform doesn't? But all in all, a reboot here and there is not so much of a problem. Will I keep it forever, not likely, that's what eBay is for.
I like what it does, I love the form factor and industrial design.It's a fun gadget.
Now that OTAs have been blocked, I see no real need to return the tablet. It does everything I want it to do and does it quite well. I have no idea how having ICS would make reading comics and watching movies better on the nook tablet. As such, I have no real need for it and don't care if it ever hits the NT.
Bottom line is that once you root and block OTAs, this is a powerful little tablet that's among the best (if not THE best) in its class. It has some issues but I'd rather deal with those than deal with a slow, glitchy piece of junk tablet that's fully hackable.
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Now that OTAs have been blocked, I see no real need to return the tablet. It does everything I want it to do and does it quite well. I have no idea how having ICS would make reading comics and watching movies better on the nook tablet. As such, I have no real need for it and don't care if it ever hits the NT.
Bottom line is that once you root and block OTAs, this is a powerful little tablet that's among the best (if not THE best) in its class. It has some issues but I'd rather deal with those than deal with a slow, glitchy piece of junk tablet that's fully hackable.
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Agreed. Most ppl just dont want the hassle of rooting or blocking ota.
Its not like you cant unroot it.
Yes the OP post is referring to extended holiday purchases.
I might change my tune if I didn't have the obscenely stubborn driver issues and could root but this whole experience with nook has been frustrating and left a bad taste in my mouth. Even towards their brick and mortar stores.
ONE MAJOR thing I overlooked when deciding was the Nook App store. $3 for something I already have and got for free? FU B$N. I dont even want the nook store on my/your tablet.
I, for one, will be keeping mine. I really like it as is (granted, all the additional work we had to do was ****ty but I've got it how I like it). Overall it's a great device
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Why would I do that? I had it rooted and OTA blocked less than an hour after I unboxed it (thanks to the XDA devs!), and it's been wonderful for whatever I want to use it for. Whatever drama comes from B&N is meaningless to me at this point, and if ICS becomes available for it at some point due to the efforts of the XDA community it will be the awesome sugary sweet icing on what is already a pretty tasty cake.
I wont be returning mine either. As much as id like to 'stick it' to b&n, I really am enjoying it with the snowball mod installed. Like another user said, idk how ICS will improve my comics/kindle/tversity watching and reading, but im happy with it now as is. This isn't to say id want the devs to stop working on it, improvements are always welcome, and im thankful for the work they've put into it thus far.
After snowball-mod came out I decided to keep my NT since it essentially strips it of most if not all of B&N content. Since OTA updates are basically blocked for now, I see no reason to return it because it does have pretty good hardware specs for its price range. Maybe CES 2012 will change my mind, but I highly doubt it because most stuff from CES are high cost... which in my mind is a no no... sticking with my NT until something better comes that is in a similar price range
I'm on the fence leaning towards keeping it. I agree with most of you saying that working on this device is a pain not to mention the constant reloading and rebooting the windows driver. But with all that said I'm still winning!
I have the 1.4.1 rooted
Installed the OTA 9.9.9 block
Running GO launcher
Every google app possible
Got rid of everything B&N
Changed my status bar from B&N to ICS9 (hated that lil book)
And changed the n button to a back button, no need for button savior
Basically the only reminder that I have that's it's an NT is the boot screen, and I'm working on changing that.
I'm off the mind that I've done all this work so far, I might as well keep it. For all tencent purposes it looks and runs like Android 3.0.
I have faith that the NT will be hacked and have ICS9 someday, but until then I'm satisfied. And even if it doesn't get hacked I'm still able to run and install the same apps as someone with ICS9.
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Engadget just posted an article of ASUS teasing a 7" Tegra 3 ICS tablet that will be $249. I'm keeping mine as I bought it for my son (and I steal it from him all the time), but I would definitely buy the ASUS over the Nook Tablet at this point depending on it's release date.
So, I'm getting really frustrated with all of the stuff I've been reading about the Prime. I got mine just before Christmas and it hasn't given me any major problems, a couple of nuisance things here and there. But what I'm worried about is the talk of it being discontinued already, what kind of dev support is this going to get, the possibility of some issues popping up down the road, and the feeling of having paid $500 for a flawed product. I've been holding off from returning it in hopes of some miracle fix coming along or some announcement from ASUS that they'll offer some sort of upgrade for the early adopters. But, as I get close to my 30 day return window closing, i have to consider what to do...
So, if you were going to buy something today that isn't the Prime, what would it be, and why?
Also, do you think my logic is flawed? Should i continue to "wait and see"?
Thanks for your input.
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I returned mine, and bought the original TF-101. It can't match the Prime is processor power, but everything on it works perfectly, and it was $100 cheaper.
There is no alternative. Stop feeding into the rumours n hype. I'd you would take a look in Android developement you would already see we got alot going on. We got root less than a couple days after ICS release. We already have overclocking on the prime. We already have Linux running on prime. Come on now.. Plus most people spreading the rumours don't know jack or even own a prime. There are lots of people without even owning the device taking b.s. and spreading stuff like they know what's going on. Most rumor threads are always false n should be taken with a grain of salt. There are members here out to bash the prime or make it look bad so to try to scare people off from it. READ the positive threads more instead of the nonsense..lol
People will believe anything they read SMH lmfao
I like how you changed it to Discuss..lol.
Rumors of discontinue? Replacements with better model?
The problem here is that talk is cheap, and you need to filter out the signal from the noise. If you're happy with your product, then that should be the informing factor. Technology will always be improving and you just have to jump in where you think is best.
I'm not sorry I returned mine. It's a relief to no longer have the Asus dark cloud hanging over my head. I too am looking for a replacement.
Also, there is another thread here today showing a retailer which has already discounted them to $399. Are the fire sales already starting?
The only reason I could see them discontinuing it would be to release a Prime with a new casing fixing the major issues. If they do this I couldn't see them not allowing Prime owners a swap.
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The only reason I could see them discontinuing it would be to release a Prime with a new casing fixing the major issues. If they do this I couldn't see them not allowing Prime owners a swap.
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This.
Either the current model is not being discontinued (most likely), or they're redesigning it, in which case, they'd have to allow people to RMA/swap out the exisiting model.
The original TF101 and dock or wait to see what the equal from Lenovo is like - as I want the dock! Nite well that had my OG not ended up in it's current damaged state, I would not have bought the Prime.
Now if all I wanted was a tablet, I would probably have gotten the TF101 or the Galaxy Tab (either the aging 10.1 or the newer 7.x). The Samsung having had a 3G version that my carrier used to carry would have sinched it, for the same price point as a TF+dock. Nota bene: while the first Gen of Galaxy Tab 10.1 does have a keyboard dock available for like $80, it doesn't have a battery or net book folding feature like the Transformers do.
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This.
Either the current model is not being discontinued (most likely), or they're redesigning it, in which case, they'd have to allow people to RMA/swap out the exisiting model.
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I hope they do the latter, it would boost their reputation highly after the near-disaster launch for their PR department. They could even gut the old Primes and then just put the main componants into the new casing and then sell them off at a slightly lower price so they will be hardly losing anything. Either way, I'm still pleased with my Prime, the Wi-Fi works decently in my house where I'll be almost exclusively using it and GPS is a non-issue for me anyway.
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I'm not sorry I returned mine. It's a relief to no longer have the Asus dark cloud hanging over my head. I too am looking for a replacement.
Also, there is another thread here today showing a retailer which has already discounted them to $399. Are the fire sales already starting?
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$100 cheaper is not a fire sale..lol OTA called a Promo
as far as i can tell, the new t700 will have the same specs except the screen res, as long as we have a few good dev's here we should be ok regardless, i would imagine that alot of the roms that take advantage of the tegra 3 and the radio's on the t700 would be easy enough to apply to the tf201 with some tinkering, and like others have said we already got some good stuff going on in the dev section.
if you want to feel better about your prime go and hang out in there for a a bit the general and q&a portions of the forum have become like the weekly world tabloids, running rampant with rumors of 5 legged bat children and the Bermuda triangle of GPS signals....
i'm right there with you, the loss of dev support is more important to me then almost any other aspect of the tablet it's self, i have never bought a device that the manufacture was more prompt and robust then what some dev random dev has come up with in his moms basement, kind of sad when you think about it. that some multi million dollar corp isn't as good as a few guys just hanging on the internet with a passion, seems like HR needs to find guys who love their job....anyways hang in there and we have a 1 year warranty on our product, all else fails hook it up to a car battery and send it back....lol
When mine was running Honeycomb, I was going to return it and wait for the iPad 3. The Prime was slow and apps were closing and unpredictable.
After the ICS update, this Transformer Prime is hummin' like a beast out of Hades. I love it. I just got the keyboard dock, and now it looks like a netbook. LOL.
Anyway, for those with TP issues, keep talking with ASUS so that they can resolve the issues. I have to say that their customer service has been very strong. If this were Apple, they'd be denying there were any issues!
That being said, if you want a table that has no issues and just works, get an iPad. It may lack some of the technological sophistication that the latest Android tabs have, but that is balanced by a very stable platform.