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Ya... I just got the gsii this morning and I'm very happy with it. Just curious as to do I need to charge the battery for 8h for 3 days or not. Thanks
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No just full charge and use it .
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Woo hoooo
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Charge the battery, run it down to zero, charge to full, repeat for the first dozen ours so times, battery life has been improving in each cycle and I also recommend you do the same
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But isn't flattening Lithium Ion batteries bad for them? If you search the internet it often says not to over discharge as well as under charging them also increasing their life span. The older NiMh and NiCd batteries benefited from full discharge and recharge.
Charge the battery, run it down to zero, charge to full, repeat for the first dozen ours so times, battery life has been improving in each cycle and I also recommend you do the same
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If there's one way to send your battery to an early grave, this is it.
Modern batteries are limited by their number of discharge/recharge cycles. Letting the battery drop to 80% and then recharging is the same as letting it drop to 20%.
However, allowing the capacity to drop to zero is a stupid thing to do, since this permanently damages the battery. The battery has its own controller which goes some way towards protecting it, but it's a trade-off between shortening the lifetime and the actually runtime you can get from the battery.
So, to summarise: you're fine letting the battery drop to 10-20% before recharging. Do not allow it to fall below this too often, as you'll shorten the lifespan.
pbrown77 said:
But isn't flattening Lithium Ion batteries bad for them? If you search the internet it often says not to over discharge as well as under charging them also increasing their life span. The older NiMh and NiCd batteries benefited from full discharge and recharge.
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Yes it is 'bad' for Li-on batteries to be run down to zero. Ignore any posts you see saying otherwise.
Just charge it and use it. When possible, top up charge. Li-on batteries do not have memories and do not need to be 'conditioned'.
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If there's one way to send your battery to an early grave, this is it.
Modern batteries are limited by their number of discharge/recharge cycles. Letting the battery drop to 80% and then recharging is the same as letting it drop to 20%.
However, allowing the capacity to drop to zero is a stupid thing to do, since this permanently damages the battery. The battery has its own controller which goes some way towards protecting it, but it's a trade-off between shortening the lifetime and the actually runtime you can get from the battery.
So, to summarise: you're fine letting the battery drop to 10-20% before recharging. Do not allow it to fall below this too often, as you'll shorten the lifespan.
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Yes it is 'bad' for Li-on batteries to be run down to zero. Ignore any posts you see saying otherwise.
Just charge it and use it. When possible, top up charge. Li-on batteries do not have memories and do not need to be 'conditioned'.
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Hmm, my bad, my Apologies, seems there's some way to go yet for me, I assumed this was the case as I had horrid life out straight out of the box, these discharge cycles helped tremendously, though with that being said I tend to not leave it below 15% now before I charge.
Oh well, live and learn.
Never discharge the battery to less then 10-15% if possible.
Aww crap I discharged it to zero last night. I thought out make sense cause back when I used the nexus one, there was this method of conditioning battery by discharging the battery. Ah well thanks guys
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Aww crap I discharged it to zero last night. I thought out make sense cause back when I used the nexus one, there was this method of conditioning battery by discharging the battery. Ah well thanks guys
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Won't hurt that much. Contrary to what people say li-ion has limit on amount of recharge applied from whatever level it was applied. Also the phone cuts off before dangerous low levels are reached. However frequently doing this should be avoided.
The biggest danger is leaving phone in discharged state for long period of time as the background discharge (e.g. Power on off button, clock, etc.) will flatten the battery, without the protection circuits and completely ruin it; charging while hot (above 50 to 60 c) will also send battery to an early grave.
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This was common on my droid x for so long while flashing but is it a good form of practice on the Rezound? The reason I am asking is I flashed Bamfs Cubed rom and my charging led goes from orange to green at 98%, never making it to 100. Would it be wise to go ahead and wipe battery stats and see if it fixes it? I presume there would be no harm to the system or battery in doing this.
Thanks!
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This was common on my droid x for so long while flashing but is it a good form of practice on the Rezound? The reason I am asking is I flashed Bamfs Cubed rom and my charging led goes from orange to green at 98%, never making it to 100. Would it be wise to go ahead and wipe battery stats and see if it fixes it? I presume there would be no harm to the system or battery in doing this.
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There's really no harm in doing it but Google has come out and said that wiping battery stats doesn't do anything.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-battery-stats-does-not-improve-battery-life/
I always got a good laugh when people would post how "bump charging" & then deleting this file gave them an immediate dramatic increase in battery life.
This has to be the ultimate placebo effect.........
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I always got a good laugh when people would post how "bump charging" & then deleting this file gave them an immediate dramatic increase in battery life.
This has to be the ultimate placebo effect.........
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Don't agree. Just like I don't agree with people saying task killers are bad. I guess with the way I use my phone I get different results. I have always noticed better battery life wiping battery stats. Now it could be that the OS will fix battery stats itself over time, but when you ate bouncing around a different rom every two days then the OS doesn't really get a better feel for the battery.
Plus...I came from the evo 4G where we uses trickle charge kernels and I want those back. Never had better battery life than when I had those. Was doing 35+ hours a charge on the stock battery.
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Don't agree. Just like I don't agree with people saying task killers are bad. I guess with the way I use my phone I get different results. I have always noticed better battery life wiping battery stats. Now it could be that the OS will fix battery stats itself over time, but when you ate bouncing around a different rom every two days then the OS doesn't really get a better feel for the battery.
Plus...I came from the evo 4G where we uses trickle charge kernels and I want those back. Never had better battery life than when I had those. Was doing 35+ hours a charge on the stock battery.
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tried telling our kernel devs about the trickle charge?
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tried telling our kernel devs about the trickle charge?
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Haven't bothered since I never could get the thunderbolt devs to try it. There was "reported" cases with no proof that it caused some batteries to go bad. Even then they were cheap Chinese batteries that 2 people total I think it was claimed went bad.
It was always nice to pull your phone off the charger in the morning at 100% instead of it showing 100% and you pulling it off the charger to say 92%.
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Haven't bothered since I never could get the thunderbolt devs to try it. There was "reported" cases with no proof that it caused some batteries to go bad. Even then they were cheap Chinese batteries that 2 people total I think it was claimed went bad.
It was always nice to pull your phone off the charger in the morning at 100% instead of it showing 100% and you pulling it off the charger to say 92%.
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Well there is the fact that Li-Ion batteries can not be trickle charged after reaching full charge...
Well they can, but it will hurt the battery. And that isn't me talking from a few bad battery posts... but from knowing how Li-ion batteries work and charge... and reading engineering papers about Li-Ion batteries.
Luckily trickle charging is slow and most people only leave the battery on the charger over night at most. Plus they charge while the device is running and using power. Should someone leave the charger going for 24 hours, with the device off, we would probably be hearing about a fire.
What is probably happening with these trickle charge kernels is:
The phone is going to use some power at all times, the trickle charge is probably just enough to keep the phone running and preventing the battery from draining slowly.
This works because there are two ways to handle full charge status while the charger is still connected.
1) When the battery reaches full charge, the battery is isolated from the device preventing the device from draining the battery. The device then runs solely off the power coming in from the charger. (this method would not benefit from trickle charging, and forcing the battery to continue charging will at best slowly hurt the battery over time, and at worst cause a fire/explosion)
2) When the battery reaches full charge, the charger is isolated from the device. The device runs off the battery until the charge drops to a certain level (usually around 90% or so) before charging starts again.
The second way is how the Rezound does it, and most other devices as well.
The first way requires the ability to switch instantly to the battery from external power without any drop in voltage. This is difficult to do, as a drop in voltage could cause the device to crash/freeze, so many devices do not use this method.
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Well there is the fact that Li-Ion batteries can not be trickle charged after reaching full charge...
Well they can, but it will hurt the battery. And that isn't me talking from a few bad battery posts... but from knowing how Li-ion batteries work and charge... and reading engineering papers about Li-Ion batteries.
Luckily trickle charging is slow and most people only leave the battery on the charger over night at most. Plus they charge while the device is running and using power. Should someone leave the charger going for 24 hours, with the device off, we would probably be hearing about a fire.
What is probably happening with these trickle charge kernels is:
The phone is going to use some power at all times, the trickle charge is probably just enough to keep the phone running and preventing the battery from draining slowly.
This works because there are two ways to handle full charge status while the charger is still connected.
1) When the battery reaches full charge, the battery is isolated from the device preventing the device from draining the battery. The device then runs solely off the power coming in from the charger. (this method would not benefit from trickle charging, and forcing the battery to continue charging will at best slowly hurt the battery over time, and at worst cause a fire/explosion)
2) When the battery reaches full charge, the charger is isolated from the device. The device runs off the battery until the charge drops to a certain level (usually around 90% or so) before charging starts again.
The second way is how the Rezound does it, and most other devices as well.
The first way requires the ability to switch instantly to the battery from external power without any drop in voltage. This is difficult to do, as a drop in voltage could cause the device to crash/freeze, so many devices do not use this method.
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Well if the device was off then the kernel wouldn't be running and trickle charging the battery but when turned on and the battery fully charged they would very slowly charge the battery as it dies. So there should be no risk of the battery catching fire. And anyway, the way the evo trickle charges worked is they would charge your battery to a certain voltage. Once it hit that voltage it would stop charging until it dropped. So it wouldn't be hard to protect the battery.
Did this for 6 months on the evo with no issues.
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Are we going to need to charge this phone for 8-10 prior to first use?
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They always say to do that, but I have never been able to keep hands off a new phone that long.
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Are we going to need to charge this phone for 8-10 prior to first use?
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Usually they come about half charged so you'll be good for a few hours. The 8-10 hour rule was for older battery technology (nickel cadmium), the new kind (lithium polymer I think?) is much more flexible as far as charging schedules. I don't think you have to do anything special for the initial charge.
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Are we going to need to charge this phone for 8-10 prior to first use?
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The better question is can you wait that long?
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Honestly, when you get your phone (and once a month) you should let your battery drain completely (within 2% is a decent rule) and then charge all the way. Do this for 2-3 cycles and you battery will last a lot longer. This is true for any electronics.
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Honestly, when you get your phone (and once a month) you should let your battery drain completely (within 2% is a decent rule) and then charge all the way. Do this for 2-3 cycles and you battery will last a lot longer. This is true for any electronics.
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not quite - the below is from Battery University in regards to lithium ion batteries (which is what's in the evo);
If at all possible, avoid frequent full discharges and charge more often between uses. If full discharges cannot be avoided, try utilizing a larger battery. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine; there is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles other than to calibrate the fuel gauge on a smart battery.
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And
Lithium-ion is a very clean system and does not need formatting when new, nor does it require the level of maintenance that nickel-based batteries do. The first charge is no different than the fifth or the 50th. Formatting makes little difference because the maximum capacity is available right from the beginning. Nor does a full discharge improve the capacity once faded. In most cases, a low capacity signals the end of life. A discharge/charge may be beneficial for calibrating a “smart” battery, but this service only addresses the digital part of the pack and does nothing to improve the electrochemical battery. Instructions to charge a new battery for eight hours are seen as “old school” from the nickel battery days.
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alainater said:
The better question is can you wait that long?
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LOL..... I ask because I don't want to have to feel guilty about not waiting!
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Ummm.... Yes? Maybe? HELL TO THE NO!
Lithium Polymer batteries are not the same as Lithium Ion batteries.
Avoid draining them to the point the phone shuts off. If they get too low they die.
Never run them down on purpose.
I run RC trucks, I have been using LiPo batteries for several years.
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Honestly, when you get your phone (and once a month) you should let your battery drain completely (within 2% is a decent rule) and then charge all the way. Do this for 2-3 cycles and you battery will last a lot longer. This is true for any electronics.
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not quite - the below is from Battery University in regards to lithium ion batteries (which is what's in the evo);
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If the phone's charge time is roughly 2-4 hours, what will charging it 8-10 accomplish?
The Sprint store opens and activates phones on the spot regardless of charge, which leads me to believe that--while some/most Sprint store Employees aren't very knowledgeable in electronics, I'm sure they would have been told in one of the many meetings they have that you need to not do this and inform the customer of needing to charge their phone for __ amount of time before using it.
At any rate I'm just playing along with the possibility. Of course you don't need to charge your phone any amount of time before using it the first time. Our battery technology has evolved to the point where trying to keep track of charge schedules is irrelevant and not needed. Seriously, if it were, they would have provided a small paper calendar with your phone so that you can mark when the last time you fully discharged it as well as instructions on how to care for your battery.
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not quite - the below is from Battery University in regards to lithium ion batteries (which is what's in the evo);
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While this is accurate, I still always try to full discharge as often as possible. I do this because the phone reads battery information and calibrates the battery percentage based on that.
In my own unscientific research, it seems that frequent charging messes up the battery readings. I know that there was once an article about wiping battery stats being a placebo effect, but it really does seem to help when you wipe, full charge, full discharge. The phone always seems to last longer, but its likely because the phone is properly calibrating the max/min capacity of the battery accurately.
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The batteries in phones anymore do not use memory in the actual cell. The phone itself does keep record of the battery to help protect it, and clearing that out and re-calibrating the battery by draining it can help, but doing full drains to the battery will just reduce the overall life span of the battery.
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Lithium Polymer batteries are not the same as Lithium Ion batteries.
Avoid draining them to the point the phone shuts off. If they get too low they die.
Never run them down on purpose.
I run RC trucks, I have been using LiPo batteries for several years.
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The batteries in phones are not lipos.. they are lithium ion... Putting a lipo in a phone is just asking for death or injury lol..
When the first EVO came out this method was dine to train the phone more then the battery and I still use it.. drain till it turns off.. turn back on..keep doing this till it will not turn on..full charge it.. take off charger and put back on till led is green again. I've never burnt out a battery but I can't professional it helped battery life but as I said when EVO first came out battery life was horrid
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The batteries in phones are not lipos.. they are lithium ion... Putting a lipo in a phone is just asking for death or injury lol..
When the first EVO came out this method was dine to train the phone more then the battery and I still use it.. drain till it turns off.. turn back on..keep doing this till it will not turn on..full charge it.. take off charger and put back on till led is green again. I've never burnt out a battery but I can't professional it helped battery life but as I said when EVO first came out battery life was horrid
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The LG Fusic had a LiPo battery.
Yeah i bet some phones will have no charge after customs played with them for a while and did not turn them off and put them back in for us to get screwed. But you may have a update already apply as well to the phone.
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Yeah i bet some phones will have no charge after customs played with them for a while and did not turn them off and put them back in for us to get screwed. But you may have a update already apply as well to the phone.
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If I recall correctly, only a sample from each batch was tested and that tested sample was not shipped out to customers.
Yup thats what I heard as well
What I read says this phone has a LiPo battery. They are being used more often in portable electronics than you think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_polymer_battery
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The batteries in phones are not lipos.. they are lithium ion... Putting a lipo in a phone is just asking for death or injury lol..
When the first EVO came out this method was dine to train the phone more then the battery and I still use it.. drain till it turns off.. turn back on..keep doing this till it will not turn on..full charge it.. take off charger and put back on till led is green again. I've never burnt out a battery but I can't professional it helped battery life but as I said when EVO first came out battery life was horrid
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I heard LiPo as well.
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simple solution.
keep the phone plugged in while you use it. duh.
charge at the wall and your office computer
Which of these two ways is better?
1. Use your phone to 20%~10% of battery and charge it till fully charged.
2.Frequently use and frequently charge(charge from 60% and unplugged at about 80%, then use to 50%~60% and charge again)
Which is better for the battery's life of phones and tablets,1 or 2?
Here's how
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
I discharge untill ~35%, then recharge. But you have more advices there.
Cheers
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I prefer charging my Phone frequently! Whenever I can, I connect the charger and then use so that when I am not able to charge or when I am out, I have full/more battery!
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i prefer charging from 20% to 100% without any breaks............frequent plugging unplugging will ruin the connectors as well as battery...........
NaylinnMaung said:
Which of these two ways is better?
1. Use your phone to 20%~10% of battery and charge it till fully charged.
2.Frequently use and frequently charge(charge from 60% and unplugged at about 80%, then use to 50%~60% and charge again)
Which is better for the battery's life of phones and tablets,1 or 2?
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The batteries in our phones (and most newer electronics) are Lithium-Ion (and in some newer phones Lithium-Polymer). these batteries have no 'memory'. in fact discharging them all the way is very bad for them, and can actually cause the battery to rupture if its done too extreme (you would have to short the terminals for this to happen)
The reality of this is that the less you let your battery discharge, the longer it will last. Every time you let it drain all the way (or almost all the way) you are harming it and reducing its lifetime.
The best way to take care of your phone's battery is to try to keep it between 50% and 80% full. Even keeping the battery fully charged for very long periods of time can be just as bad as discharging it fully.
Further Reading - HERE
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The "cycles" which supposedly prolong our battery life are not true. This used to be the case, but like TopDroid said, with lithium batteries they do nothing.
Its like how on older versions of Android, task killers were useful, but newer versions don't need them and is actually bad. With batteries, the technology has progressed from that time.
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NaylinnMaung said:
Which of these two ways is better?
1. Use your phone to 20%~10% of battery and charge it till fully charged.
2.Frequently use and frequently charge(charge from 60% and unplugged at about 80%, then use to 50%~60% and charge again)
Which is better for the battery's life of phones and tablets,1 or 2?
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I prefer 5%-15% because it gives more accurate battery stats + if you use go power master it would say "Healthy Charging"
or Method 1 as well
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Perform shallow discharges.
Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
Don't leave it fully charged.
Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. If you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health.
Fully discharge it once a month.
This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries". This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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Is this true?
you can be as neurotic as you like over this, but it really d doesn't make a lot of difference, just enjoy your phone.
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The only big no no is to constantly discharge to below 5% and recharge . That according to the experts leads to a much shorter battery life .
Yes leaving on charge is a waste .
Wiping Battery stats does not improve battery life .
But all this is an old story posted time and again and bring nothing new .
jje
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Yes leaving on charge is a waste
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%. so there will be no harm to your battery. I have doing the same since gs1
My old Nokia 3510 needed a battery replacement after 4-5 years since it only held 3 days worth of charge instead of the usual 7-8.
I constantly let it discharge from 100% (overnight charging) to empty, the replacement battery cost me 5 bucks.
My Galaxy S1's battery has, after 2 years, no observable loss in capacity with overnight charging to 100% and dropping to 10-15% over 1-2 days.
A replacement battery would cost roughly 15 bucks.
I could go on the same about my Laptop, Netbook, Tablet and other devices with rechargeable Li-Ion batteries.
The point is; don't try to forcefully extend your battery life, enjoy your phone. Most people replace the phone every 1-2 years and the batteries are designed to live that long with high usage and deep-discharging. If yours should not or you plan to keep the phone longer, a replacement battery is cheap.
there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%.
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All Lithium batteries have it (and need it) since there is a risk of damage, fire or even explosion when it is overcharged. That's why not the phone but the battery itself has the corresponding controller. Since the controller cannot measure the exact capacity of the battery (only an estimate), it is recomended to deep-discharge and fully charge (charge-cycle) the battery once in a while to reset the controller's counter.
Battery replacement is cheap and easy as abc. That's the benefit of having removable battery. Just enjoy your phone.
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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Why don't you just read the thread and you will see the explanation?!
i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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Same here. No broblem.
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Still no one answered my question... :silly:
Is the small 40%-80% charges better for the long-term battery life?