I'm just re-writing this post to compile all the examples I've found so far.
I have found a common fault (despite what some of you think, it's not right!) with the right camera on the phone.
1) it goes in and out of focus on video
2) some photos the right image is way out of focus
3) the worst one, during videos the image from the right camera moves!
4) the right camera shows photos and videos in different colour!
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Video showing the same out of focus problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk86jp4Ws60 (press the 3D button below the video and choose "side by side")
Another where the right goes out of focus in the middle, it's also displaying everything as a slightly different colour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikwaWnPYnc
another one with different colour on the right and the right camera moves after around 3-5 seconds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ2G8q5MRIE
look at the colour of the back of the chairs around 8-10 seconds, they go blue on the right camera!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_akMqqpfWE
another one, waych right camera move at 53 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TL1f8zvl6LY#t=52s
yet another really bad and obvious right camera move at 9 seconds that lasts 5 seconds, again at 1.15 and 1.50 as well as the camera moving (wobbling) all the way through it compared to the left which stays still!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MExk2CcsLJU
have a look at this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICxot_r9-s
you can see when something like a wall or door is straight in one side, it's at a slight angle in the other, like the right camera is twisted slightly
Keep in mind the right camera is more likely to get a smudge or finger print on it since its closest to the side the button/hand is.
green91 said:
Keep in mind the right camera is more likely to get a smudge or finger print on it since its closest to the side the button/hand is.
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true, but you can clearly see on the dog one that it's out of focus and not a "smudge", both camera's should be the same focus/white balance etc for the 3D to work.
If they focus or do anything independent of the other then that's a major oversight by HTC
Yeah, I noticed the same thing about 20 minutes ago when i was trying to stream it from my phone to my 3d tv before i converted the side by side image to 3d.
jah2006 said:
Yeah, I noticed the same thing about 20 minutes ago when i was trying to stream it from my phone to my 3d tv before i converted the side by side image to 3d.
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hmmm, doesn't look good then, unless it is related to the smudging?!
could be a common fault (though an ota update could fix it if HTC know about it)
Another where the right goes out of focus in the middle, it's also displaying everything as a slightly different colour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikwaWnPYnc
look at the colour of the back of the chairs around 8-10 seconds, they go blue on the right camera!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_akMqqpfWE
this isn't good!
I don't know how to check the details but here's a youtube video that I recorded with my 3vo on wednesday.
Let me know if you see the problem?. I tried to view it on my screen but it looks fine side by side?
http://youtu.be/saUqENC3LCI
Its definately not a smudging issue, I made sure i cleaned it with a microfiber cloth because i wanted it to be as clear as possible before I tried watching it on my tv.
darkflame said:
I don't know how to check the details but here's a youtube video that I recorded with my 3vo on wednesday.
Let me know if you see the problem?. I tried to view it on my screen but it looks fine side by side?
http://youtu.be/saUqENC3LCI
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Looks fine to me
however, I've seen some people have put up 3 or 4 photos and the problem is only there in 1 photo or video
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Its definately not a smudging issue, I made sure i cleaned it with a microfiber cloth because i wanted it to be as clear as possible before I tried watching it on my tv.
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yeah, just found some more videos where the right goes in and out of focus
Maybe some 3vo's had different ccd sensors placed in the left and right eyes? <-this would really make things complicated or if your evo was one of the unfortunate ones where the right eye was the last of batch x and the left eye was the first of batch y.
Or maybe the software still needs some kinks ironed out.
my left camera wasn't focusing and even the 2d pictures were turning out blurry. i am now on my second evo3d
you need to remember that the device is an optical aid free device, so it wont use your typical stereoscopy picture methods, i believe with the glasses free approach one camera takes the real image and other takes it out of focus to give you depth.
Ie left camera takes the picture focused with background and all
the right camera takes a close up of the main object to give it a 3d appearance
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you need to remember that the device is an optical aid free device, so it wont use your typical stereoscopy picture methods, i believe with the glasses free approach one camera takes the real image and other takes it out of focus to give you depth.
Ie left camera takes the picture focused with background and all
the right camera takes a close up of the main object to give it a 3d appearance
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no, the right camera takes an image for your right eye, the left for your left eye so you get 2 images (same focus etc) as you do in real life
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no, the right camera takes an image for your right eye, the left for your left eye so you get 2 images (same focus etc) as you do in real life
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Autostereoscopy is any method of displaying stereoscopic images (adding perception of 3D depth) without the use of special headgear or glasses on the part of the viewer. Because headgear is not required, it is also called "glasses-free 3D" or "glasses-less 3D". The technology also includes two broad approaches used in some of them to accommodate motion parallax and wider viewing angles: those that use eye-tracking, and those that display multiple views so that the display does not need to sense where the viewers' eyes are located.[1] Examples of autostereoscopic displays include parallax barrier, lenticular, volumetric, electro-holographic, and light field displays.
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Autostereoscopy is any method of displaying stereoscopic images (adding perception of 3D depth) without the use of special headgear or glasses on the part of the viewer. Because headgear is not required, it is also called "glasses-free 3D" or "glasses-less 3D". The technology also includes two broad approaches used in some of them to accommodate motion parallax and wider viewing angles: those that use eye-tracking, and those that display multiple views so that the display does not need to sense where the viewers' eyes are located.[1] Examples of autostereoscopic displays include parallax barrier, lenticular, volumetric, electro-holographic, and light field displays.
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The Evo 3D uses the right camera for the right eye and the left for the left eye. Most photos are correct [both in focus] (proving your theory wrong) where as some are incorrect and some videos are going in and out of focus (how do you explain this one?)
this is in reply to your post before you completely changed it btw because your explanation you have changed it to agrees with what I'm saying
"display multiple views" (L & R)
seen a few more now, it's about 25% of the photos I've seen. Bad blur/focus and discoloured, all from different users/phones
Looks fine on your phone/3D monitor/3DTV (your eye adjusts because your brain knows what you should see), but if you close one eye then the other you'll see it in the right eye
i think one is 2d and the one that looks blurry is 3d. if you are not looking at it on a 3d compatable device it will look smudged.
although i could be wrong
Did anyone ask HTC about this LOL I know 3D is suppose to somewhat blurry on one side its weird and hard to explain I think the issue is normal. Dunno tho I would check with HTC and ask . I am not having issues.
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i think one is 2d and the one that looks blurry is 3d. if you are not looking at it on a 3d compatable device it will look smudged.
although i could be wrong
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one is left eye, one is right eye. Not every photo by everyone is blurred, just some of them.
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I was just browsing my pics and it looks like they still are 3d in portrait. Or am I seeing things.
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Same for me. Quality is abysmal but it is trying to do stereoscopic 3d in portrait
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i don't think you guys are understanding the concept of the 3d not working in portrait. it's mostly referring to TAKING the pictures, being that the two cameras are side by side. taking 3d pictures in portrait would in essence make any 3d effects via the top and bottom camera, not side by side, drastically reducing the visibility of 3d effects.
the screen is fully capable of displaying properly taken 3d pictures in portrait mode.
sheep_duck said:
i don't think you guys are understanding the concept of the 3d not working in portrait. it's mostly referring to TAKING the pictures, being that the two cameras are side by side. taking 3d pictures in portrait would in essence make any 3d effects via the top and bottom camera, not side by side, drastically reducing the visibility of 3d effects.
the screen is fully capable of displaying properly taken 3d pictures in portrait mode.
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Prior to it's release some wanted hacks for a 3d launcher, so there was a discussion on whether or not the hardware was cable of displaying 3d in portrait. Some said it couldn't.
Yea the so called know it alls said it wasn't possible... Guess we won't be hearing from them anytime soon
Bussin Caps from my 3D shooter
the parallax screen only works in landscape, your eyes must be tricking you, it is NOT possible on any current 3D screen to do both landscape and portrait
look into how the screen works and you'll see what I mean
Assuming the barrier is a two way, portriat is easily possible. Looks 3d to me...
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mmace said:
the parallax screen only works in landscape, your eyes must be tricking you, it is NOT possible on any current 3D screen to do both landscape and portrait
look into how the screen works and you'll see what I mean
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It shows 3d for me as well. So....
aimbdd said:
It shows 3d for me as well. So....
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Same here. Pretty sure I can tell the difference between 3d and 2d.
How do people still argue something isn't happening when your looking right at it with proof? Pictures that you take show in 3d when in portrait mode, period!
Now Youtube vids do not. Then only go 3d when rotating the screen into landscape.
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the parallax screen only works in landscape, your eyes must be tricking you, it is NOT possible on any current 3D screen to do both landscape and portrait
look into how the screen works and you'll see what I mean
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It works in portrait. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MasterImage_3D
@everyone else: it has a very small viewing angle in portrait, you have to get it just right in order for it to work
I'm going to have to go with the "it looks like it is trying to work, but it isn't really 3D" in portrait camp. The very small angle it almost works only happen when you twist the phone a little off vertical. Guess what? The farther you get from portrait (as in all the way to landscape) the better it will work. Those who see 3D are just seeing a visual conflict between the dissimilar images. You won't be able to focus on foreground elements or background elements seperately leaving a facsimile of stereo depth perception until the images reach your two eyes aligned in the same plane as your two eyes are. I've been staring at my 3VO for the last hour trying to get 3D images in portrait to look like they do holding the phone in landscape, and can't get rid of color artifacts/conflicts/shimmer/etc., until I return to a horizontal view lined up with the line between my eyes.
ktrotter11 said:
Yea the so called know it alls said it wasn't possible... Guess we won't be hearing from them anytime soon
Bussin Caps from my 3D shooter
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I stand by it after having it for a couple days now....it just doesn't look 3D, it looks like a mess....and I have yet to see even a hint of 3D--and I would love to have 3D at both orientations.
Sure, it looks like it's trying...or something....and I guess I could see how some people could convince themselves that it is 3D.....and perhaps it has something to do with the size of the image, but, I've stared and focused and unfocused and tried...really I did...and I don't believe it is capable of 3D in portrait..
...and if the hardware is capable then perhaps we need 3D content specially designed for such a narrow field of vision....
I dont see 3d in portrait...even in landscape 3d really isnt that impressive...yea it works but the fad wore off quick...plus its hard to look at...now i understand the whole " get a headache while looking at it". The phone itself is great but i kind of knew going in that a first gen device such as this, meaning 3d viewing, would need some seasoning.
SBERG117 said:
I dont see 3d in portrait...even in landscape 3d really isnt that impressive...yea it works but the fad wore off quick...plus its hard to look at...now i understand the whole " get a headache while looking at it". The phone itself is great but i kind of knew going in that a first gen device such as this, meaning 3d viewing, would need some seasoning.
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I don't see these drawbacks to 3D viewing being possible to defeat...ever...they have been there for the 100+ year of stereoscopic image viewing.
...though that might change with introduction of a new technology, but, there are certain things involved that cannot be fixed. Ever. For instance, where the hell is the focal point supposed to be? If the answer is anything except 'the same place every time' we're right back where we started....
All said, it's still pretty cool.
xHausx said:
It works in portrait. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MasterImage_3D
@everyone else: it has a very small viewing angle in portrait, you have to get it just right in order for it to work
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That link does not support your statement. It simply explains how a parallax screen works. For the evo's display to support 3D in both landscape and portrait, the display would need to be able to generate the parallax barrier in both directions. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the display cannot do this.
Look at this picture I took in 3d over the weekend and tell me it isn't 3d in portrait.
It takes a while to get the viewing angle right but that deer head is sticking out. This from someone who sucks at stereograms but sees this no problem.
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How do I upload it as 3d? I swear it is 3d on my phone. Guess tapatalk is not really 3d ready.
The phone absolutely does do 3D in portrait. Shoot an image in 3D and bring it up in the gallery holding the phone portrait. The angle is a lot more sensitive when held that way so tilt it back and forth until you get it right. Now... alternately close your left and right eye looking at the image through only one eye at a time. You'll see that your left and right eyes see totally different images. Pay attention to objects in the photo and you'll see that they shift: one eye might be able to see an object behind the foreground subject while the other has that same object partially obscured. Only way that can happen (each eye seeing a different image) is if the 3D is working.
Granted, it doesn't work as well as landscape, but it does work!
Mike
mmace said:
the parallax screen only works in landscape, your eyes must be tricking you, it is NOT possible on any current 3D screen to do both landscape and portrait
look into how the screen works and you'll see what I mean
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Uhh yeah, that's all fine and dandy, but i'm sitting here looking at some 3D stuff right now in portrait and you can clearly see depth. After opening one eye at a time, they are both seeing 2 different images. The quality isn't great, but it indeed works. Case closed. You lose
It's 3d in portrait.
3D taking of no workie portrait - sort of
And another... didn't think 3D viewing worked in portrait, so never tried... but read the wiki link and gave it a shot.
And it works. And once I held the phone out to near arms length away, it looked okay without any effects.
But that's still not the complaint people have. The complaint is that it won't take 3D pictures/video while held in portrait (well, won't if you tilt it 20-30 degrees out from landscape). The work around is to use the timer. Start in landscape, set the timer, and position phone how you want before time runs out, then Bob's your uncle. Be nice if it'd work regardless of how it's held, just tell people that the picture is captured in 'Landscap' regardless of orientation, so if you look at it in portrait, it'll shrink and rotate to fit like the other 3D pics.
Has anyone noticed the picture quality on the EVO LTE comes out a little fuzzy and less sharp when you compare the actual taken shot with the preview screen? The objects in the picture seem to have a glow effect. The preview screen seems so much sharper. My settings are Exposure 0, Contrast 0, Saturation -1, Sharpness +1. ISO and White Balance are set to AUTO.
It won't look bad for most of you, but if you compare it to the preview screen before the pic is taken, it is a lot worse.
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androofoo said:
WHOA. Everyone stop. Forum threads end up being like that game "telephone". One message slowly turns into a runaway interpretation.
Let me clarify. I am aware of the phone's screen quality and that when compared from the phone screen vs. another monitor, there may be significant quality loss. During low light, the camera is sensitive because of the longer exposure, therefore you have to hold the camera still or else it will pick up the slightest movement, resulting in blurred images. What I am talking about is none of that. There is a significant quality loss once the picture is taken. Here is a SS of the camera preview screen and an actual captured photo. Camera settings were exactly the same. Distance/zoom area was exactly the same. This one does not show so much of the "blur" or "glow" I talk about in post 1, but there is a big difference in picture. Bad compression? I'll post a better example tomorrow.
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I have noticed this also. It's quite a significant difference that leaves me saying, "Why doesn't the photo look as good as the preview did?!?"... [frustrated]
I'm wondering if a screenshot would preserve the preview resolution as opposed to snapping a pic. Is a screenshot possible while in the camera app? But then you'd have all the on-screen buttons & whatnot in the image. Hmm...
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chconser said:
I'm wondering if a screenshot would preserve the preview resolution as opposed to snapping a pic. Is a screenshot possible while in the camera app? But then you'd have all the on-screen buttons & whatnot in the image. Hmm...
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I gave it a try.....
Here is my original photo
and the Screenshot photo
The screenshot is clearly inferior.
if you wan't my honest opinion id say they both look like s**t
BrianBaker said:
if you wan't my honest opinion id say they both look like s**t
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It's a big improvement over the camera in my old 3D. I have already given that phone to my mom or else I would have taken the same photo with that phone to show the comparison.
I'm no professional photographer and I rarely over-analyze photos so as long as I can take a picture of something with my phone and it comes out decent...I'm happy. If I was into photography I would definitely use a dedicated camera but this phone's built in camera is more than enough for me.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33502795/IMAG1402.jpgno issue for me http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1111948&stc=1&d=1339034601
So I'm just gonna ask . @ ticklemepink, are you really hot chick on this forum ?
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coffeehandle said:
So I'm just gonna ask . @ ticklemepink, are you really hot chick on this forum ?
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hot...anyone opinion.... chick?? i prefer being called a woman... lolz
I have noticed this also in regards to the photos being nice in quality in my phone but looking washed when i view them on my Laptop/PC
Very disappointing
i was about to pull the trigger for this phone but nah this thread really helped with the decision thanks
genax said:
i was about to pull the trigger for this phone but nah this thread really helped with the decision thanks
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it's not that the pics are washed out, it's that our screen is so good it makes the picture look better, brighter and all that jazz, you could turn up saturation if you want it to look more colorful, it has been said in mini reviews, if you sent the pic to another evo lte it will look just as good, I have no problem with it, the camera is great so to the guy who said he's not gettin it, please believe it looks good and there are ways to make it look brighter...
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i was about to pull the trigger for this phone but nah this thread really helped with the decision thanks
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Your loss
example:
stock vs saturation +2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1112060&stc=1&d=1339039437
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well get a god damn slcd display on your computer if you want it to look as good as the phone...I mean seriously,are we really saying "hey this photo looks different when i look at it on a totally different lcd screen"
same as the galaxy S phones..Everything looks poppy and colorful on the OLED display untill you load that Issh up on your PC monitor or view it on your TV and it looks dull and boring..
Peace out
^ see and on my phone the second one looks wayyy to colorful but on my computer it looks vibrant... (on macbook pro)
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^ see and on my phone the second one looks wayyy to colorful but on my computer it looks vibrant... (on macbook pro)
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this is my point,and if i take all the beautiful shots i have taken with this phone and load them up on the LCD display on the deck in my truck,Its going to look like donkey crap...Also that nice shot i took and shared on facebook that im so proud of for my little nephew.Guess what,its going to look like crap because hes viewing it on a damn HTC Hero..
Just take your damn pictures and be Happy or return the phone,or in the other guys case dont pull the trigger and go get something else that will only disappoint you in one way or another.
I noticed this at first as well. But I found that if I used the on screen shutter button instead of the physical button it wasn't fuzzy. Also noticed that if I immediately went to burst shots with the physical button the first one was fuzzy while the subsequent pics were okay. Finally attributed it to the pressure required to fully depress the physical button was jarring the phone just enough to cause it to be blurry. That is if you take a single shot with the physical button without using the half press to focus first they usually come out a tad blurry.
As long as I use the half press to hold the focus before taking the shot it seems fine or I use the on screen button.
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dsEVOlve said:
I noticed this at first as well. But I found that if I used the on screen shutter button instead of the physical button it wasn't fuzzy. Also noticed that if I immediately went to burst shots with the physical button the first one was fuzzy while the subsequent pics were okay. Finally attributed it to the pressure required to fully depress the physical button was jarring the phone just enough to cause it to be blurry. That is if you take a single shot with the physical button without using the half press to focus first they usually come out a tad blurry.
As long as I use the half press to hold the focus before taking the shot it seems fine or I use the on screen button.
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I actually stopped using the shutter button for this very reason..Did the same thing on the Evo 3D.. Pointless shutter button unless you burst your shots.
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33502795/IMAG1402.jpgno issue for me http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1111948&stc=1&d=1339034601
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I will say that the macros are the best of ANY phone I've seen & many dedicated cameras. Really, really good. Great shot here! :thumbup:
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dsEVOlve said:
I noticed this at first as well. But I found that if I used the on screen shutter button instead of the physical button it wasn't fuzzy. Also noticed that if I immediately went to burst shots with the physical button the first one was fuzzy while the subsequent pics were okay. Finally attributed it to the pressure required to fully depress the physical button was jarring the phone just enough to cause it to be blurry. That is if you take a single shot with the physical button without using the half press to focus first they usually come out a tad blurry.
As long as I use the half press to hold the focus before taking the shot it seems fine or I use the on screen button.
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LOL this is because you don't have steady hands and you pressing down with one finger makes ur hand shake a bit as u take the picture.... which is expected.... it's not the fone is human error hun...
One thing that has always pissed me off was the HORRIBLE vertical offset on my 3D pictures and videos taken. I knew it wasn't the screen, as 3D movies, downloaded clips, youtube clips, and pics downloaded look WONDERFUL.
For a while I thought it was a software issue, as I know the phone does do some post processing. HTC does offer the option to change the 3D offset for the HORIZONTAL alignment, but not the vertical. Reason? It shouldn't be there to begin with!
I've searched the web high and low for a solution, but other than post image processing I never found anybody who fixed it, and shared how they did it. I've had my phone since release so there's no way I can exchange it.
So. What's the problem? Poor quality control. With my phone (and I suspect many others) the two cameras were not aligned properly (if at all).
WARNING: If you are not a comfortable taking things apart and putting them back together... STOP and don't even attempt it. It's not hard to do, but these phones are VERY FRAGILE. Obvious disclaimer is I'm not responsible for your damaged phone. I'm not responsible for ruining your phone. I'm not responsible for anything. I am providing information. Whether you want to act on it is up to you!
What you'll need:
Evo 3D Phone (duh)
#00 or #000 phillips driver
T5 Torx Driver
Tweezers (something to carefully pry up the ribbon cable clamps and remove the cables)
Stereo Photo Maker (or other 3D image viewer)
Time and Patience
First and foremost take a 3D picture of a photo frame or something square on a blank wall. You just need some type of horizontal reference to compare the two images. You'll need to take the same photo many times so try and pick a spot easy to remember so the photos are close to the same. Try to stand atleast 6ft way so that any offset is more easily seen. Don't take a pic close up as it will be less noticeable for what we're doing.
Download the pic to your computer, and open Stereo Photo Maker. Note this program does not install, it is a self executable. Open the last 3D image you just took.
The standard view shows two images next to each other. For me mine was so off, that I could easily see the left image was way too high. Take a sheet of paper or ruler and compare, as you'll need to know which camera is high, and which is low.
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Now press this button to over lap the images. Use your keyboard's arrow keys to manually align the images to see how bad the offset it. One arrow press should be a 4 pixel jump.
As you can see, mine were WWWAAAAYYY off. 72 pixels of vertical mis-alignment.
Now the fun part. Take your phone apart! I'm not going to bother telling you how. There's plenty of youtube videos on line that do a better job than I could have. Find a video that explains how to change the LCD. Thankfully we don't have to mess with removing the digitizer or LCD so don't go that far! That's not a fun job. I also recommend pulling the vibrator motor out of the holder instead of messing with the plug. That plug is a real PITA and very fragile. The motor is wrapped in rubber and is just a press fit into the phone.
When you get to the point where you have the back separated and the main board exposed, go ahead and un-do all the ribbon cables. I left the RF cable and two ribbon cables on the back in-tact. If this is your first time taking a phone apart, don't. Take them off. They are very fragile, and even a stress crack will wreak havoc on your phone and cause something to not work.
Mainboard with ribbon cables and vibrator motor removed
Carefully remove the heat insulation/EMF shield from the back. Be sure to hold the metal covers over the ICs. The adhesive is quite strong so just go slowly. Some recommend heat to aid in this but I advise against it. Very easy to melt something or over do it and it's not needed. You just need to go slowly.
Peel back the insulation
Now once you have it peeled back (don't remove it completely) turn the main board over and remove the two phillips screws holding the cameras assembly on.
The issue is the cameras not looking in the same direction. In my case the left was looking up and the right facing down. What I did to remedy the situation is carefully hold the two camera bodies and twist them slightly so they are both looking straight ahead. You can't go completely off of the cameras appearing to be in alignment as I'm sure there's some adjustment done within the aluminum case. The only thing you can do is trial and error. For me it took 6 times. May take you one, may take 10 or more. The key is don't over do it and try to get it right all at once. Take your time and work slowly.
Here you can see the camera module. They are connected together by an aluminum bar. This bar is what we'll be twisting to re-align the cameras.
Twist the cameras in the direction needed
It's hard to describe how much force it took to twist it. It's cast aluminum so it did take a fair amount of force but not much. I'd equate it to the amount of force necessary to break a wodden #2 pencil. Maybe a bit more. Using both hands, pinch the two cameras one in each hand, and twist. You won't be able to feel the metal moving, and will barely be noticeable by eye. Just twist it a while, put it back together, snap the pic again and compare using the Stereo Photo Maker app.
If you can't get it perfect don't worry about it. 5 pixels or less will be barely noticable. I got mine within 3 pixels and I'm leaving it.
You can see my progression. I started with 72, then got to 48, then 28, then 20, then 16, then finally 0.
Finally close to 0 pixels offset!
When done, it should look very close to a regular ol' image with no offset.
Congrats!!! Now your phone will take much better 3D pics. Most noticeable was increased video performance. Not only that, but the eye-strain for decently taken 3D images is virtually gone. Vertical offset will cause eye strain much more than a slight horizontal offset which can be fixed within the stock gallery app. The pics didn't look all that bad unless I took one very close up but videos were horrible. I can say now they are MUCH better. Still not as good as a GoPro 3D setup but its better none-the-less.
All in all it took about 45 minutes to get it right. Wasn't that difficult to do.
Please let me know if you have any questions! Good luck!
XDA/Google Search Keywords: evo, 3d, fix, camera, vertical, alignment, offset, bad, pictures, video, eye, strain
Your way is great to get consistent pictures. Thanks for the tip!
This is definitely not for the faint of heart, there's got to be an app or software solution for this... The app Tobidale 3D has some 3d tweaking but not sure if it's vertical...
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Great post! I checked my alignment and I'm only 2 down arrow clicks away from perfect and this phone is only a week old so its not worth it for me to take it apart. Thanks for the info.
Believe me I've searched. There are PC apps (such as the one I used in the tutorial) that can fix it, but it means cropping the photo. Also no way to fix videos taken with the phone.
It really isn't that hard. The camera body is sturdy as hell, you're not going to break it. Just becareful of the circuit board hanging off.
I'm sure it wasn't a very common problem, but I did find enough people complaining about it online to know that it wasn't just mine that came off the assembly line this way. Having said that, being that this and the LG is the only 3D phones out there, I doubt there's any demand for an android app to fix it. I'm sure it could be tweaked somewhere in the camera app but that's just a band aid. The problem is hardware.
I'd be interested to know how many of you all have issues with taking 3D pictures. It's very easy to tell with the stereo photo maker app. I had completely given up on taking 3D pics and videos, as they just turned out like crap. They look so much better now. I was even having an issue sometimes with the lighting/contrast being different between the two pics. Maybe its just my imagination but I swear they're more even now. Maybe the offset caused one camera's "aperture" to go darker than the other. I don't know.
Oh yeah, if this helped please click "Thanks" on my post! 'Preciate it!
poor_red_neck said:
..... HTC does offer the option to change the 3D offset for the HORIZONTAL alignment, but not the vertical. Reason? It shouldn't be there to begin with!
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What do you mean by this, how do I change that? My horizontal was way off.
Hmm. What were you taking a picture of?
Stand about 6ft away from a wall with a picture on it and take another pic. There shouldn't be any horizontal offset. I forgot to put that in my original post (it's edited now). Taking close up pictures with no real 3D definition (like taking a pic on a wall) can confuse it. The phone's post image processing is supposed to adjust the horizontal offset but it does get confused sometimes.
My screenshots may be a little different since I'm running Ice Cream Sandwich, but it is in the other HTC 2.X builds as well.
Open the stock gallery app, and view one of your 3D pics.
Hit the Menu button on your phone.
Select Edit
Adjust 3D Alignment
Say Hello to Charlie! Use the buttons on the left and right so that the main focal point of the picture has no offset (in my case, Charlie). I just kinda eyeball it, adjust it until it doesn't make my eyes hurt lol.
Tried this myself! It's pretty hard to get right as remounting the camera module onto the chassis causes its own stresses and can twist the cameras out of alignment in unpredictable ways. Worth playing around with...
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-...VvZrdtrx3Lw/s640/blogger-image-1619477477.jpg
Both came from EVO3Ds. Wondering if the one on the left is a twin 5 megapixel module. Anyone?
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Hello,
I've purchased 2 Lumia 920s now and both times the camera sensor had lots of hot pixels. If you could, would you please perform a test?
Set camera to 'Night mode'
Set exposure to '2'
Set ISO to '800'
Switch off auto-focus light
Switch off flash
Then:
Lock yourself in the bathroom and turn off the light.
Take a picture in the dark (as close to pitch black as possible)
Upload the photo to your computer
Turn off the lights around you and your monitor
View it on your computer and zoom way in
Look for any bright spots/dead pixels
Describe/upload what you see
My results:
Regular resized for display.
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you first.
It is not uncommon for cameras to display hot pixels under those conditions. Even high end cameras can do it.
Now take a picture in conditions like everyone else and see if you see them.
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chikoo said:
you first.
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Yeah let me do some cropping and zooming. The regular picture is too large to display.
Mr Patchy Patch said:
It is not uncommon for cameras to display hot pixels under those conditions. Even high end cameras can do it.
Now take a picture in conditions like everyone else and see if you see them.
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I've realized that, but my unit seems to be worse than others. My friend doesn't have hot pixels on hers at all : (
hawc1506 said:
Yeah let me do some cropping and zooming. The regular picture is too large to display.
I've realized that, but my unit seems to be worse than others. My friend doesn't have hot pixels on hers at all : (
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What im saying is it happens to the best of the best. Take pictures normally like everyone else. You wont see them then and they wont effect your picture quality. Nothing to be concerned about. You can take 2 identical cameras and one might do it while the other doesnt. And its only usually gonna happen under longer exposures. You shouldn't be worried. And it doesn't surprise me that a few of your pixels went retarded based on the shooting conditions you described above. Take it easy partner..
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Those pixels absolutely ruin that photo of nothing!!
I experienced the event horizon looking at your pictures.
Honestly, my screen has more dust specs than the hot pixels on your screen.
I hope you're not kidding with this thread. That's definitely normal... I first thought it was a prank.
You should need a minimal amount of light. I've seen many videos on the internet where a DSLR camera was used to record videos @1080p with minimal amount of light and you can definitely see random hot pixels every while or so. As long as it's not always the same pixel it's nothing to worry about.
I know DSLRs have hot pixels. I wouldn't be worrying if it didn't show up in normal pictures, but my unit has hot pixels in normal night-time pictures and they're consistently in the same place. It was similar to this (not quite as many though).
http://www.neilcamara.com/WP_20121123_097.jpg
I've attached a photo (everything in auto settings) from my first unit. It only had 1 hot pixel. I would've kept it if it weren't for flexing/clicking polycarbonate. My second one had 7.
I took a black picture just to show the pixels.
I'm not trying to annoy anyone, but none of my friends' units have hot pixels as bad as mine, even under the same testing conditions.
Either way, that unit is now on its way back.
Thanks for your help.
hawc1506 said:
I know DSLRs have hot pixels. I wouldn't be worrying if it didn't show up in normal pictures, but my unit has hot pixels in normal night-time pictures and they're consistently in the same place. It was similar to this (not quite as many though).
http://www.neilcamara.com/WP_20121123_097.jpg
I've attached a photo (everything in auto settings) from my first unit. It only had 1 hot pixel. I would've kept it if it weren't for flexing/clicking polycarbonate. My second one had 7.
I took a black picture just to show the pixels.
I'm not trying to annoy anyone, but none of my friends' units have hot pixels as bad as mine, even under the same testing conditions.
Either way, that unit is now on its way back.
Thanks for your help.
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If your unit has hot pixels close to the one you linked then it's another story. It should not happen.
Hot pixels happen on any DSLRs regardless the price range. What those DSLRs do is when you shoot anything with over 1 second, they automatically (can be turned off) take another picture with equal time but without letting any light in. Then they subtract the frames to remove those hot pixels as those pixels are always on the same location. It is by no means defective unless you see them in pictures exposed within a second.
Xeon said:
If your unit has hot pixels close to the one you linked then it's another story. It should not happen.
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Not as many, but the ones on my pictures were slightly bigger, even in regular auto-mode pictures.
foxbat121 said:
Hot pixels happen on any DSLRs regardless the price range. What those DSLRs do is when you shoot anything with over 1 second, they automatically (can be turned off) take another picture with equal time but without letting any light in. Then they subtract the frames to remove those hot pixels as those pixels are always on the same location. It is by no means defective unless you see them in pictures exposed within a second.
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Yeah mine were showing up in auto-mode. I also set exposure to 0 and ISO 400. They still showed up.
Oh well, hope you guys don't have this problem! Thanks for the comments.
It is about how long the shutter opens, nothing to do with modes and isos.
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how the hell did u discover this "problem"??? lol
u make it a habit of taking pictures in rapist grade darkness?! lol lol
lol i appreciate your concern for the camera quality.. but seriously.. there is absolutely no reason to be taking a photo of darkness! lol lol
hawc1506 said:
I know DSLRs have hot pixels. I wouldn't be worrying if it didn't show up in normal pictures, but my unit has hot pixels in normal night-time pictures and they're consistently in the same place. It was similar to this (not quite as many though).
http://www.neilcamara.com/WP_20121123_097.jpg
I've attached a photo (everything in auto settings) from my first unit. It only had 1 hot pixel. I would've kept it if it weren't for flexing/clicking polycarbonate. My second one had 7.
I took a black picture just to show the pixels.
I'm not trying to annoy anyone, but none of my friends' units have hot pixels as bad as mine, even under the same testing conditions.
Either way, that unit is now on its way back.
Thanks for your help.
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Here is mine. Is this good or bad?
Puff1911 said:
how the hell did u discover this "problem"??? lol
u make it a habit of taking pictures in rapist grade darkness?! lol lol
lol i appreciate your concern for the camera quality.. but seriously.. there is absolutely no reason to be taking a photo of darkness! lol lol
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LOL I discovered it when I accidentally took a dark picture in a completely dark room. Then when I took normal night-time pictures, I noticed that the hot pixels were there too.
chikoo said:
Here is mine. Is this good or bad?
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Looks fine to me. You don't have any bright spots lol
I had photos like this in the dark and sent it back:
I took the photo with night mode and i think everything else was set to auto.
I hope they will fix it.
Axefield said:
I had photos like this in the dark and sent it back:
I took the photo with night mode and i think everything else was set to auto.
I hope they will fix it.
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Mine was similar except with bright red dots as well.
I wonder if the Portico update contains hot-pixel filtering. My friends on AT&T don't have this problem.
I experienced this issue on my first 920 and promptly exchanged it for a new one which does not suffer from this issue. Unfortunately the new one seems to suffer from the rapid random battery drain ...
Apologies but the search is down. Can someone tell me how the camera is with this fella?
Quite excellent, very fast in low light and extremely fast during the day when the sun is strong.
But since it's 4mp, it has some noise issues but not bad at all. Go check this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2238529
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Quite excellent, very fast in low light and extremely fast during the day when the sun is strong.
But since it's 4mp, it has some noise issues but not bad at all. Go check this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2238529
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I've been on the interwebz since the '90s and I've never come across another homeslice. I think I'm having an identity crisis
GolfFreak said:
Apologies but the search is down. Can someone tell me how the camera is with this fella?
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There are a lot of folks that have had problems with the camera on this model too. Google "HTC One camera focus", and you will see what I mean. Also, there are issues with many people having blue and purple graininess in low-light conditions. Supposedly, HTC is working on a "software fix" for both issues, but I am not holding my breath.
I have the G2 right now and I came from HTC one. I believe HTC one has a much better camera in low light. G2 over processes the pictures and night pictures are horrible. I have yet to see a phone that takes better pics than HTC one at night. I'd rather have a good night camera since most of my pics are indoors over something like G2 that is just not working for me. Wide angle lens has me kind of spoiled too.
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txsizzler said:
There are a lot of folks that have had problems with the camera on this model too. Google "HTC One camera focus", and you will see what I mean. Also, there are issues with many people having blue and purple graininess in low-light conditions. Supposedly, HTC is working on a "software fix" for both issues, but I am not holding my breath.
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If you're up for it run a custom ROM and never fret about manufacturer updates again. Stock software problems become non-issues.
Quite simply, the images themselves are not bad, but the lens distorts horribly. It's too wide and people look silly.
Since you specifically asked about the camera... I honestly couldn't recommend this phone any less (due to the camera.) The phone itself? Excellent. Mine has minor build quality defects, but I don't foresee them to be detrimental to the livelihood of the phone over the next few years.
The camera, however, is incredibly unreliable, and not up to snuff with the standards set in smart phones over the past few years. My Galaxy S2 took marginally better photos than this camera is capable of. Good shots from this shooter are, quite literally, 1 out of 100. It only adds insult to injury that these good shots are pretty damn good. Not once have I managed to whip the phone out and point-and-shoot my way to a great shot on the first attempt, either. Here's a few examples of what I consider to be worthy shots from this camera. Each one took around 4-5 attempts to remedy focusing/white balancing/ISO issues. Finally, here's an example of a point-and-shoot situation. This pretty accurately represents the kind of photos I get from this phone in everyday usage; decent color representation, but poor white balancing, and poor detail in anything more than 5 feet away -- notice there's no distinguishable focal point -- everything is out of focus.
Barring the sub-standard photo quality, mine is useless in low light situations, due to the purple/pink discoloration of images, and poor focusing. Check out this thread about the issue -- it's pushing 300 pages of replies in just over 4 months.
On the flipside, if you give this lens the tons of natural light that it needs, you're bound to get some excellent shots. I noticed that trend pretty quickly in the photo thread linked above -- outdoor shots are mostly great, indoor shots are mostly terrible (no offense to any of you who contributed to that thread!)
If you were to say you wanted an awesome smart phone that just so happened to take pictures, I'd probably have much better things to say about the device. Since you asked about the camera, I encourage you to avoid it like the plague. It's such a disappointment to me, a guy who has had a lifelong appreciation for cameras and photography, that I began considering my other options only a month into owning the phone. I'm even curious about the Nexus 5, and no one even knows how that camera behaves yet.
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I have the G2 right now and I came from HTC one. I believe HTC one has a much better camera in low light. G2 over processes the pictures and night pictures are horrible. I have yet to see a phone that takes better pics than HTC one at night. I'd rather have a good night camera since most of my pics are indoors over something like G2 that is just not working for me. Wide angle lens has me kind of spoiled too.
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If you need a good camera phone for low light (Night) situations then you need a Lumia 92x or above. They are excellent on that department.
The camera is awesome. Just make sure you get a phone with a properly functioning sensor and you'll be blown away. Seriously.
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All taken with the HTC One. All by me. I hate seeing people put blame on something when really they just don't take the time to thoroughly learn and use it properly. I mean, It's not a magic box guys, you do have to do some work and learn the settings and different modes and what works best for the situation you're in.. Cheers!
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I'm going to post this thread here which extensively (300 pages) covers the issues surrounding this camera. I hope you don't get scared by this and determine that you should avoid the phone, because as @mrrick said, if you get a properly functioning one the results are excellent.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317507
Things to keep in mind:
Around 85% of launch units have this problem.
It seems very unlikely at this point that a software fix will solve the problem and lead to normal pictures.
The only way people have fixed it is by getting a new phone or sensor.
More recent batches may not be affected. The June one I just got as a replacement is excellent.
Try to check the serial number of the phone before hand and look for HT36... or maybe 35 onwards, just not 32,3, or 4 (the second number is the month of manufacture). Of course try the camera before you leave the store too by putting it down on the table - if it has the problem, the screen will turn red.
Other than this, I don't think there are any problems with the camera.
Don't let this put you off, it's an amazing phone you won't regret buying!
I just bought a LG G2 as well and the One takes much better pictures especially in low lighting. The bad thing about it is only 4mp, so when the picture is blown up on a larger screen, the quality of the photo lowers. Not a lot of detail and also sometimes grainy. But on the phone itself, it looks spectacular.
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Xerro-Five said:
I'm going to post this thread here which extensively (300 pages) covers the issues surrounding this camera. I hope you don't get scared by this and determine that you should avoid the phone, because as @mrrick said, if you get a properly functioning one the results are excellent.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317507
Things to keep in mind:
Around 85% of launch units have this problem.
It seems very unlikely at this point that a software fix will solve the problem and lead to normal pictures.
The only way people have fixed it is by getting a new phone or sensor.
More recent batches may not be affected. The June one I just got as a replacement is excellent.
Try to check the serial number of the phone before hand and look for HT36... or maybe 35 onwards, just not 32,3, or 4 (the second number is the month of manufacture). Of course try the camera before you leave the store too by putting it down on the table - if it has the problem, the screen will turn red.
Other than this, I don't think there are any problems with the camera.
Don't let this put you off, it's an amazing phone you won't regret buying!
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That explains so much!! Whenever I try taking pictures in low light I get a red looking blotch on the screen(always wondered why it was there)...didnt notice any reduction in quality though, but thats probably because i didnt get to take photos on a more recent One..got mine in May
It's funny how people feel the need to lie about taking pictures with a certain camera. The camera with the One is not bad but a lot of other devices are better in this department.
I have one of those early production models (I got mine in May) and have the same problems with the camera. This is my 4th HTC Phone and I have exchanged 2 out of the 4 at this point for design flaws, with this about to be the 4th. They have given me crap (being AT&T) for exchanging the phone for "minor" feature problems that aren't critical to the function of the phone, being the ability to send/receive communications.
If I take my phone to AT&T with proof, are they going to give me crap for trying to exchange it for a replacement? I'm just trying to see if anyone else has this experience, since I'm tired of missing out on shots of my kids. My wife can just whip out her iPhone and take a perfect picture on the first try and it pisses me off.
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the camera is really good but the only flaw is when you zoom in images get blurry and if taking pictures outside the sunlight destroys the picture
I love my phone, but I hate the camera. When I was on a GPE ROM I was better off describing things I wanted to take pictures of in 100 words or less. Now that I'm back on a sense ROM people can make out what I'm taking pictures of, but there's so much to be desired.