the promotion expires, but what happens to us who are rooted using wireless tether or barnacle? ive read they were going to add something to prevent/be able to see that. or was that just bologna?
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the promotion expires, but what happens to us who are rooted using wireless tether or barnacle? ive read they were going to add something to prevent/be able to see that. or was that just bologna?
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I am wondering the same thing too.
I mean the app uses data like any other app, I'm fairly certain you'll be able to steal the service. We will know all too soon though. Ha
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i guess we're about to find out. lol.
i they found a way to distinguish the difference between the computer using the Internet vs the phone, we're pretty much ****ed. if it's only an app update to block the apps, then you should be find if you are rooted. like i said, we're going to find out in couple of days.
On the d2 and dx they updated the kernel to block tethering. You can bet any future update for any device on verizon will do the same thing.
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On the d2 and dx they updated the kernel to block tethering. You can bet any future update for any device on verizon will do the same thing.
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hmm, interesting. did somebody find a way around it?
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hmm, interesting. did somebody find a way around it?
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I'm not sure. I got the thunderbolt soon after that happened.
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Unless they push an update, or roll out some network side packet inspection, there's nothing they can do to stop barnacle from working. The end of the promotion is really just a problem for people using the built in Mobile Hotspot program. You'll get a popup the next time you launch it asking if you want to enroll in the tethering plan for $20/month.
Otherwise, continue tethering away via barnacle. Legally verizon cant auto-enroll you into anything, so even if they could detect it, they'd have to get your consent to change the terms of your contract, or just cancel your contract for you.
Wireless Tether still works. I didn't personally like how Barnacle functioned.
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if it's in the kernel that blocks the tethering won't a custom kernel fix that issue?
i am surprised that they somehow figured a way to distinguish between phone data and computer data via tethering...
i don't believe it.
When I was on TMO, I remember people asking the same questions about tethering.
From what I could gather, TMO was able to distinguish data by the agent being used for web browsing. Not exactly sure what or how they did it, but I remember some people saying they got a text from TMO about their data usage.
It's been a while, so I could be wrong, so don't quote me on this.
the browser user-agent won't work because you can still set the user-agent on an android phone to look like chrome or firefox, or another desktop browser...
I'm not sure what verizion did to the DX or D2 but they have the mobile hotspot app built into the settings or notification bar or something so you couldn't even remove it or freeze it.
The TBH patch, which patched the radio, helped to get around this problem. it made it so that even when you're tethering verizon sees [email protected] instead of [email protected] (which is what is used when you switch on the tethering app originally)
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if it's in the kernel that blocks the tethering won't a custom kernel fix that issue?
i am surprised that they somehow figured a way to distinguish between phone data and computer data via tethering...
i don't believe it.
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That's true I didn't think about that. The d2 and dx bootloaders are locked down by efuse so loading a custom kernel in those phones is out of the question.
So yes a custom kernel would fix that
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So no on else read the android police article about how even with wireless tether there is no way for Verizon to tell if you're tethering without major packet snooping.. the kind which would be invasion of privacy. And I'm pretty sure p3droid was spewing **** about the "omg warning Verizon sees you tethering"
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the browser user-agent won't work because you can still set the user-agent on an android phone to look like chrome or firefox, or another desktop browser...
I'm not sure what verizion did to the DX or D2 but they have the mobile hotspot app built into the settings or notification bar or something so you couldn't even remove it or freeze it.
The TBH patch, which patched the radio, helped to get around this problem. it made it so that even when you're tethering verizon sees [email protected] instead of [email protected] (which is what is used when you switch on the tethering app originally)
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That was what people were complaining about. Some had their user agent set on their phone to something other than Android and I guess they got a text message saying they were tethering or something to that affect.
Can I still use pdanet?
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That was what people were complaining about. Some had their user agent set on their phone to something other than Android and I guess they got a text message saying they were tethering or something to that affect.
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When did this happen? At&t can see when an iPhone is tethering, because it sends data in a different way than when normally browsing. This isn't exactly true on android.
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When did this happen? At&t can see when an iPhone is tethering, because it sends data in a different way than when normally browsing. This isn't exactly true on android.
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It was talked about several months back when the G2 came out and people were using the 4G.
Nothing was ever confirmed, it was just what people were saying. It could have been that their usage just showed unusually high?
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It was talked about several months back when the G2 came out and people were using the 4G.
Nothing was ever confirmed, it was just what people were saying. It could have been that their usage just showed unusually high?
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I'm going to go with that and it was just assumed they were tethering and if the data is high enough its not too hard to guess lol but afaik the only way to see tethering on android is through packet snooping
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When did this happen? At&t can see when an iPhone is tethering, because it sends data in a different way than when normally browsing. This isn't exactly true on android.
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The iPhone browser doesn't let you change the user agent string, while many Android browsers (Opera, Dolphin HD, and even Firefox with the phony addon) do.
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OK so question is, is having a rooted Tbolt and the hotspot rooted .apk really free? I chewed up almost ten gigs last month, but mostly through the phone. Not sure how much was actually tethering. Couldnt have been much. Got netflix running through ps3 via the root hotspot .apk today and destroyed over 800megs in an hours time. I wanted to know, had we have the ability to watch Netflix on our tbolts, would the same show I watched eat up the same amount of data? What are some of your guys data usage over the past month using root hotspot? And any billing issues? Thanks for any input because I don't wanna crush almost another gig til I get some feedback
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I'm just a noob guy.
New here and wanting to make some friends.
These guys fricking rock here.
I see no reply so I just thought I would say hi.
The topic of free hot spot and tether is kind not cool right now.
peace.
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Just came from the x, every one is freaking out about this topic right now.
I didn't even know about that offer.
Leave it to a noob.
Free hotspot and tethering is extended for another month.
Assuming when you're streaming netflix to a PC or your PS3 you're getting HD it would be less when using your phone. I would imagine anyway. The Thunderbolt's screen is 800x480. 720p is 1280x720. SD widescreen would be 854x480 (for 19:9) So, netflix on your phone would only need to be SD. Obviously, that's less data than HD. And if anything, VZW would probably say they suspect you're tethering without paying and tell you to sign up. I doubt they would just add to your bill because they can't say you're not just a heavy data user.
And legitimate WiFi tether is free for another month thanks to the Charge, VZW's second LTE device.
I would assume when using the actuall netflix app on the phone it is designed for a smaller screen so the video feed is less data intensive to save data.
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OK so question is, is having a rooted Tbolt and the hotspot rooted .apk really free?
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The answer is no. Rooting the phone does not change the way the *built-in* hotspot app works. It's Verizon's app and they can see that you're using it. It's free for now because VZW has extended the free trial period, but after that ends you will be charged for using the mobile hotspot app.
However, since your phone is rooted, you can use a *different* wifi tethering app that they can't track.
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The answer is no. Rooting the phone does not change the way the *built-in* hotspot app works. It's Verizon's app and they can see that you're using it. It's free for now because VZW has extended the free trial period, but after that ends you will be charged for using the mobile hotspot app.
However, since your phone is rooted, you can use a *different* wifi tethering app that they can't track.
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That's the one I'm currently using. The "rooted" wifi app. So, fingures crossed!
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i dont know i used a tether app for rooted and an hour later i got a text saying the trial end 6/15... What tether app cant they track?
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i dont know i used a tether app for rooted and an hour later i got a text saying the trial end 6/15... What tether app cant they track?
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Yeah, the text was sent out to almost all TB users today. It has nothing to do with the fact that you used the app.
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Yeah, the text was sent out to almost all TB users today. It has nothing to do with the fact that you used the app.
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Does that mean other tether apps for rooted phones wont be free, or do they work around the charges?
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Does that mean other tether apps for rooted phones wont be free, or do they work around the charges?
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They will still use the workaround. But no one knows yet if VZW will still be able to track.
just download barnacle wifi tether from the market. its totally free and verizon cant track it
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just download barnacle wifi tether from the market. its totally free and verizon cant track it
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It's also not in the market anymore. Or it was taken out at one point.
im having a issue with NAT on all kernels, I just came from the D1 to the TB. I use my tethering mainly for xbox, and for some reason the Nat config is diffrent on TBs kernels , On the D1 with just about any custom kernel i ended up with moderate, im getting the same thing with even the OTA kernel on my TB only diffrence is for some reason i cant talk or join with anyone on xbox live. i can play online solo with people in game just not in a party or anything. Before it only affected me with other people with a fully closed nat, now on TB its everyone reguardless of NAT. I was wondering if maybe because the OTA kernel came Pre enabled if theres something being missed, or jus not looked at because it worked out of box? Any ideas would be welcome.
I have no idea where you could find those type of settings, if they are even available... Sorry man. I haven't tried on my Thunderbolt, but never had an issue on my dInc...
I would also be interested in a solution, ps3 is the same way,works direct but not in a group
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I have no idea where you could find those type of settings, if they are even available... Sorry man. I haven't tried on my Thunderbolt, but never had an issue on my dInc...
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There wont be settings in the phone for it, Its a Dev thing. Somethings changed in the Kernel its self. Just to make sure im not crazy i fired up my old D1, and it works like a charm. Its something in the kernel. Need Dev input i think.
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There wont be settings in the phone for it, Its a Dev thing. Somethings changed in the Kernel its self. Just to make sure im not crazy i fired up my old D1, and it works like a charm. Its something in the kernel. Need Dev input i think.
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I wouldn't hold my breath. Tethering, even if you pay for it, to a video-game console is frowned upon by the majority of people in the Android community.
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I wouldn't hold my breath. Tethering, even if you pay for it, to a video-game console is frowned upon by the majority of people in the Android community.
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Not when you have Mediacom... Internet is always out. I don't like doing it but it gets annoying.
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Its not about tethering a box or whatever u want for that matter. Its about getting as close to a true isp as possible. Voip uses it for multi voip connections more so if the host is not wide open nat. So theres a nat issue....
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Verizon has NAT at the tower level, not at the phone, which is why you cant go and run a server on your LTE connection. 100s of people probably share the same IP that you have on your phone. There's no way in the age of 1 or less blocks of ipv4 left that you have 1:1 ipv4 address mapping on a phone (unless the phone specifically says it does like blackberries do).
Indeed but the d1 has a less restrictive nat then the thunderbolt. Meaning its something in the phone itself. Kernel i would guess...... Love all the comments but would be great to get some real info on the issue
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Indeed but the d1 has a less restrictive nat then the thunderbolt. Meaning its something in the phone itself. Kernel i would guess...... Love all the comments but would be great to get some real info on the issue
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Did you try in both 3g (rev A), 3g (ehrpd) and LTE? I'd say no way it will work in the last two for sure.
Could just be your droid x had its own IP always or it was just implemented recently that no one does, because I don't see how you can get around the fact you're behind NAT at the network level without doing something like VPN. The only way I have seen to do so is use 1x mode (roaming), but that's obviously not too great.
See its never been open nat. Im coming from a Moto Droid 1. There are 3 accounts in my house all using the old droid, im using the thunderbolt. The Droid 1's are not having any of the issues my ThunderBolt is having all using the same tower in the same house from the same network. I dont have LTE in my area yet so were still on the old verizon hardware. For the life of me i cant see how its not a issue in the phone itself. The droid 1's back in the day were having the same issue, untill Devs came out with the tether enabled kernels. Then the D1 was fine. So im thinking because the kernel for the thunderbolt came tether rdy out of the box that its never really been looked at (as a issue i mean)
maybe so. i dont have any previous android experience to make that judgement so i wouldnt know where to look what it would be exactly in the kernel source that would cause it without craploads of time wasted. Maybe try asking Adrynalyne or Imoseyon since both have prior android phone experience with kernels. adrynalyne goes on the irc channel so you could wait for him to talk on there.
the other thing you might try is seeing if it's an issue with cyanogenmod. I dont think it would be since the kernel for that is basically the same regardless of phone (other than drivers and such).
Good idea. Ill track down a dev. Not really an issue other then voice chat from a comp or box. Works just fine on Older models. Even got a old htc inc i tried and its still working fine too. Just odd
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http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/verizon_blocks_hotspot_tethering_for_jailbroken_de.php
Found that article. Is it true?
Anyone out there confirm they are blocked?
Still works for me on CM7.
i just used barnacle on miui and it worked flawlessly
Interesting. I wonder if it only blocks those using roms that are still based on Samsung's code.
Above examples use pure GB code and nothing from Samsung/Verizon.
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Interesting. I wonder if it only blocks those using roms that are still based on Samsung's code.
Above examples use pure GB code and nothing from Samsung/Verizon.
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I tethered from my device (ED05 installed) a few hours ago and it worked fine. However I was using a custom ED05 kernel, they might only be blocking it on Samsung's stock kernels.
There has always been tethering monitoring in the stock kernel. They might just now be doing something about it officially, but how many people are still running the factory software on here?
I think they attempt to block the tethering apps from the market and put things in the kernel
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I wish it said what program she was using, along with how much data she was using.
Maybe it's just Verizon scare tactics. How is changing the ROM on the phone any different than erasing Windows 7 and installing Ubuntu on my computer. I think people will read that and think twice about "jailbreaking" their phones. I'd be surprised to see if anything changes on our phones though.
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nope. no scare tactics here. im blocked. was using WIFI Tether... after 4 hours of reading up on this forum to tether my droid x2 to my Asus Prime, I finally got it working... Only to get pushed to that damn Verizon HotSpot Data Page minutes later. PISSED!
Verizon contract ends in a month. looks like im heading to sprint.
Well yeah your going to get the pushed "Verizon pay a monthly few page" if you try to use tethering through the built in hotspot. Download wifi tether or barnacle wifi tether and it should work on rooted devices. For USB tethering download easy tether and that does not require root. Yes I do believe this is a scare tactic unless for some reason you are using a total ungodly amount of data, then they will throttle your speed or possibly cut it off for the rest of that months Billing cycle. I have never ever had a problem and I don't feel threatened
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Okay so i have been looking around and found that we do have a lot of questions around Wi-Fi tethering being an issue...
- APN change fails after an hour or two
- Aftermarket tethers installed. and run but do not seem to be found by other devices
- Wifirouter.apk push from 1.36 showed no change (Connected but no internet connection)
So, what else have people tried that has things working for them or not working that we can note as a fail...
So far i've tried Barnacle and Wifi Tether ( I had to download from the web since it will not show in the market). Both start fine and say they are sharing wifi but my pc on win 7 will not see them. I can try use either on the vibrant and both work fine, my pic finds them. Any other ideas... I still have 10 days to exchange this phone. I really do not want to go to the SGS2 but if there's no way to tether without paying xtra for something i already get... im afraid i will have no choice....
Change apns work make anew one and name it anything and type in epc.tmobile.com
And savethats it
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Change apns work make anew one and name it anything and type in epc.tmobile.com
And savethats it
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I will try this again after you post quicksense 1.3 update later today... Make sure i am starting fresh with all the pushing i have been doing in attempt to get things working...
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Change apns work make anew one and name it anything and type in epc.tmobile.com
And savethats it
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Binary said he tried it and it stopped working after 200mb. Is yours still working?
Accordon they updated the system to catch this. I believe the small update they are pushing out to the amaze has do with this
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Binary said he tried it and it stopped working after 200mb. Is yours still working?
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It was roughly that amount. I do not have an exact figure. I was forced to add the service.
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It was roughly that amount. I do not have an exact figure. I was forced to add the service.
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Did you get the OTA? I have my OTA disabled so im still stock. Gonna try it and see what happens.
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So far soo good, not sure how much data i've used but no notification yet...
It works perfect for me
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im downloading quicksense 1.2.1 just to see what happens. so far im 50% done with no notifications and its still downloading...
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im downloading quicksense 1.2.1 just to see what happens. so far im 50% done with no notifications and its still downloading...
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i would refresh that page man lol
I can't get wifi tether to work on stock at all. I use easytether with no upgrade pages etc. I know it's not wifi, but it works.
That apn method worked. I downloaded the whole quicksense rom with no interruption. Binary, not sure what issue you had but it worked for me fine... hopefully it will continue to work b/c I dont want to give up my Amaze.... it too nice!
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That apn method worked. I downloaded the whole quicksense rom with no interruption. Binary, not sure what issue you had but it worked for me fine... hopefully it will continue to work b/c I dont want to give up my Amaze.... it too nice!
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Well I don't have an issue and never did. It always worked fine for me. What happened to me is that after a few hours of standard internet usage it started directing me to the upsell page no matter how many times I changed the APN or rebooted the device. But... perhaps it's market specific. I called T-Mobile b/c they were still throttling me after my new billing cycle and I asked them about it and they said that pretty much everything is market specific. That might explain a lot actually. Like I was telling Alexis, in the market where she is located I would never get throttled despite the fact that T-Mobile sent me a message stating that I was. I would still have a ~4mb/s DL speed on my vibrant 3g device. But here in Detroit I get throttled down to 130kb/s. UGH!
Don't feel bad, Binary 130kb/s is my average. I live in a 2G area with a 4G area ten miles up the road.
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Don't feel bad, Binary 130kb/s is my average. I live in a 2G area with a 4G area ten miles up the road.
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130kb/s makes me feel terrible when I'm accustomed to averaging 15mb/s.
Throttling down that much should be violation of the Eighth Amendment.
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Well I don't have an issue and never did. It always worked fine for me. What happened to me is that after a few hours of standard internet usage it started directing me to the upsell page no matter how many times I changed the APN or rebooted the device. But... perhaps it's market specific. I called T-Mobile b/c they were still throttling me after my new billing cycle and I asked them about it and they said that pretty much everything is market specific. That might explain a lot actually. Like I was telling Alexis, in the market where she is located I would never get throttled despite the fact that T-Mobile sent me a message stating that I was. I would still have a ~4mb/s DL speed on my vibrant 3g device. But here in Detroit I get throttled down to 130kb/s. UGH!
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I thought you said after ~200mb down you got cut off....
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I thought you said after ~200mb down you got cut off....
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Roughly. I didn't measure it at all but it was standard internet activity. Nothing more. No downloading or anything like that. They sent me a warning at first by pushing a notice to my phone after a few hours saying that I would need to add the service if I wanted to continue using it. The icon was a globe with a "w" on it.
About 5 or 6 hours later I was directed to the upsell page. Despite how many times I rebooted, disconnected, changed my apn, etc I would have be forced to the upsell page. As soon as I added the $15 service I had tethering again. Instantly.
Ok, that is what im trying to figure out... what you did differently. No one else has had that same issue yet that i have heard of.
I flashed 1.3 quicksense today, changed by apn... Went to tether... This time i was able to connect my laptop to my phone, but right off i got the redirect notice...
After talking with binary last night, we got to thinking maybe its kernel based... I am working with boarder on getting the kernel he is running... As its not stock... His APN change fixed his tether completely, maybe the redirect bs is kernel based...
So this thread applies to you, if:
1) you belong to AT&T
2) you tether, either with the mobile hotspot app, barnacle, pdanet, etcetc
3) you change the TTL value/hack/hide/tunnel, to hide your tethering usage
Is your method working?
After some time I will release my current method of tethering which allows seems to hide my tethering as my bill has no increased, and after my first letter I have yet to receive any more. However I just want to see if it's just me or if someone has found this method too. NOTE: i'ts not my method but it's one of the less common ways of hiding tethering, also it can be googled.
K go.
VPN???????????
I'm new to this tethering thing.
apparently, my method sucks and I'll be caught.
mobile hotshot, I believe.
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Barnacle with no other hacks. I tethered a bit this month and wasn't caught.
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I'm new to this tethering thing.
apparently, my method sucks and I'll be caught.
mobile hotshot, I believe.
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That's what I've been doing too
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Barnacle with no other hacks. I tethered a bit this month and wasn't caught.
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Do you know about how much?
I'm keeping an eye on this thread seeing as the moment I got my warning I stopped tethering and have been avoiding it like the plague, often times to my great inconvenience.
I'm curious to know whether there is a safe way to do it.
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Do you know about how much?
I'm keeping an eye on this thread seeing as the moment I got my warning I stopped tethering and have been avoiding it like the plague, often times to my great inconvenience.
I'm curious to know whether there is a safe way to do it.
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same here. Although OP is 20 days old and somewhat trollish, I'm going to create my own thread that will hopefully get better responses.
I have been using Wifi Tether for over a year w/o a warning. Before the Atrix I used it on the Captivate.