I have the otterbox defender, and I've noticed when i open the camera and use it for 3D pictures, there seems to be a ghost of whatever I'm looking at, almost like the lenses are trying to create a side by side pic. Anyone else noticing anything like this?
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You have to find the right viewing angle to see the 3D effect...I recommend viewing a 3D movie to get used to it first..cuz the 3D camera and the pics sometimes are shot in lower quality, therefore, 3D is not revealing as the movies.
I could see them just fine without the case, and still cancers my old ones fine, its just whatever new ones I take
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Hmmmm, I've seen some ghosting, but I've always figured that it's normal. Depending upon the lighting, angle, and distance from object, the ghosting can be either very miniscule, or rather pronounced. As with any camera, it takes some experience to get down the right handling angles for the lenses given any particular situation. Keep playing around with the camera some, and then let us know how it goes. Try multiple shots from different angles with different settings for the same scene, and then see if you notice any differences.
FYI- I have the case you speak of, and sometimes I can see slight ghosting, others times I don't. If I take a really whacked out angle photo with bad lighting, from far too close a distance, then the ghosting is VERY pronounced. Also, the more complicated the image (ie, Taking a picture from inside a room, looking out through windows at a deck backed by trees, with sunlight streaming through), then the more likely some ghosting will be IME. However, in general outdoor daylight, with a simple object of focus (Like my dog laying down on the grass), I don't really notice it. Also, motion plays a role in it too.
do you see that when trying to take a vertical picture? thats the only time i have noticed a double image appearance.
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So is anyone else seeing double image if they dont film their subject in a sweet spot? Seems kind of pointless doesnt it? If I am filming stuff, I would prefer to not tell my subject that they cannot move beyond a certain zone.
Or... is my 3d defective?
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So is anyone else seeing double image if they dont film their subject in a sweet spot? Seems kind of pointless doesnt it? If I am filming stuff, I would prefer to not tell my subject that they cannot move beyond a certain zone.
Or... is my 3d defective?
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I only see issues if I am close to something, like a macro shot
Ive had the same problem. Taking 3D pictures of moving objects just doesn't work well.
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Ive had the same problem. Taking 3D pictures of moving objects just doesn't work well.
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Without a quick enough shutter speed, taking pictures of moving objects period doesn't work well.
my problem isnt just moving objects. it is anything that is NOT in a certain zone. If the object being filmed is too close or too distant, it doubles (instead of 3d).
With 3d photography, there ARE limitations on distance.
Remember, a camera doesn't work like your eyes which are able to do more than just focus.
A camera lens is FIXED in a specific position and when you change your focal points the fixed position may be either to wide or, when focusing at distance, too narrow.
Movie makers and professional photographers are aware of this and can work around it. Specialized 3d photography actually uses 2 cameras in sync with a rail that separates the cameras based on the focal point.
Here's a simplified example of the rail for home use:
http://www.adorama.com/alc/article/How-to-Build-a-Two-Camera-Rig-for-Wiggle-3D
For what the evo and point and shoot 3d cameras do, it's just fine as long as you know the limitations of distance (both macro and >40ft or so)
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For what the evo and point and shoot 3d cameras do, it's just fine as long as you know the limitations of distance (both macro and >40ft or so)
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I appreciate this info... but... my evo 3d is struggling with objects even > 8 feet.
is anyone else experiencing the same issue? should i take it back?
To get as close as possible to a perfect 3D experience for human eyes, a 3D camera needs its two lenses to be the same distance apart as our eyes are. Notice the 3VO's "eyes" are only 1.375" apart. My eyes are closer to 3" apart center to center. What it means is that the near and far extents of the view taken will either be hard to align for focus or impossible and thus ignored by one of our eyes or the other. Far elements won't have as much 3D impact anyway, except in contrast to near elements in the same scene. You'll notice broad distant landscape scenes aren't the choice shots as 3D samples. Pick scenes with foreground (not too close) and background (and even middle ground) elements to shoot, and your shots will turn out fine. Make sure your camera is level though. If you don't then you won't see the 3D effect until you re-create that tilted relationship between your eyes and the viewscreen.
hi guys. im just curious how the video and pictures on the evo3d look compared to other 5 or 8mp cameras. are they sharp ect. how would the evo3d compare to say the iphone 4?
im in the market for a good camera phone
I personally feel the evo3d only takes great pictures sometimes - meaning it is hard to get good pictures.
The pictures tend to look better on the phone than when you look at them on a computer, where they tend to look more grainy when not in the brightest light. This feels like a step down from HTC's other offerings, which can look as good if not better than iphone pictures when pulled to your computer. I have gotten some fantastic pictures, but for the most part the camera has left me a bit wanting.
Playing around with 3d pictures is quite fun, and video recording is very good - particularly the audio, which was lacking in the evo4g.
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hi guys. im just curious how the video and pictures on the evo3d look compared to other 5 or 8mp cameras. are they sharp ect. how would the evo3d compare to say the iphone 4?
im in the market for a good camera phone
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It takes a much better picture than the Evo4G did. Much sharper looking, even with 3mp less.
However in low light it still gets grainy...the sensor can't help that, but the software can...but it doesn't. It does, however, take fantastic macro shots for a cell phone...surprisingly.
The 5mp cam on the NS4G I had for a few weeks was phenomenal. When I came back to the E3D it really made taking pictures with it seem pointless...and that's not even taking into consideration the .5-1.5 second shutter lag from when you push the button.
For a freakin' cell phone? It's fantastic. I've never used an iphone4 camera but I've only heard good things. But after seeing what a Samsung 5.0mp sensor/lens/software combo can do I am completely down on the E3D's camera. Granted it does 3D and it is a rather compelling effect...though the problems with the 5.0mp single-cam shots get even more pronounced in 3D at 2.5mp.
YMMV, etc etc etc. It is a cellphone after all.
EDIT: Also any shots with motion are pretty much ruined before you take them.
I agree with nhutpham, post number 2. The camera is not nearly what it should be. This phone revolved around its camera's, I mean come on its not called "Shooter" for nothing. 3D pics turn out good, still shots do anyway. But standard pics, thats a whole other ball game. Low light produces bad pics, even with the flash. Some pics will get a greenish tint to them (whites) when using flash. Rather then use all the "auto" settings I find setting things manually will result in better 2D pics. The device was not purchased by me for the camera though. I bought for the dual core processors Though now that I have my dual core I am wishing HTC would have stepped it up on the 2D camera
i think at stock the pictures look ok. but when you adjust iso,sharpness,exposure,contrast in the settings it makes them look much more vibrant and sharp.
i took a compartive shot of small rocks and the evo3d looked crisper and better overall compared to the iphone 4. so the camera cant be all that bad
Maybe this might help. I'm actually surprised at some of the pictures on here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1243765
Being a photographer myself, I am impressed with the camera... but not all of the time. It takes phenomenal pictures outside in a good sunny day and even in overcast. Take the camera inside in average lighting of just about anyone's living room when the sunlight isn't dominating the light, then I'd be reluctant to show it of.
The poorer the lighting, the harder it is to focus and the photos can get very grainy. HTC also chose to compress the photos quite a bit which affects the picture quality, but makes it easier on the phone and network to share and upload. This goes back to a previous comment that they look better on the phone than on a larger display - its the compression.
If you're willing to root and mod this phone, there is a camera mod in the CDMA dev forum for this phone with camera improvements which makes me that much more impressed with the camera. Although, I think all that was changed was the compression for photos and video.
If you are taking a still picture under good light they look really good. If you have kids and are planning to take any pictures of them forget it.
Let's just they are playing baseball and you want to take a picture of them at bat. They get up there and you click the shoot button. The picture is then shown to you for review and you say wait, who the heck is that. Well while you thought you were snapping a picture of your child, by the time the camera actually took the picture your child got a double, the kid after him grounded to third, and in your picture is the batter who was batting 2 guys after him.....Great picture of someone elses child and of course that kid moved so the picture is blurry as well.
Okay, maybe I am exaggerating a little. You would probably get the batter right after him and not 2 guys down in the lineup, but it would still be blurry unless he batted like a statue....
Green, but otherwise good
Ya unfortunately the shutter lag makes the phone worthless in taking non still images.
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So why don't HDR apps work properly on our phones?
One manufacturer I contacted insisted that it was because the EVO 3D doesn't utilize the android api properly to adjust the exposure setting. I even confirmed this with HTC. You can try it out as follows: If you open the camera app and play with the exposure slider in the options, you'll see that instead of changing exposure, what it does is just bumps up the brightness of the image.
HOWEVER, yesterday I noticed that the exposure does change properly but not when you use the slider. Best way to try this is sitting next to a window on a sunny day. If you point the camera towards the window, the exposure auto adjusts you can see the details outside but anything inside the room still in the frame just looks dark. However, if you point the camera so it's mostly pointing inside the room, you'll notice that the exposure auto-adjusts again so you can now see details of objects inside the room but any part of the window still in the frame is now completely washed out. So..auto-adjustment of exposure works.
Now in most of the these HDR apps work by taking a picture on high, medium, and low exposure and then stitches them all together. However, the app isn't able to adjust the exposure settings properly and this is probably because it's tapping into the "exposure setting" in the camera's api...the same thing we are able to change when using the exposure slider on the camera app. As I said before though, the exposure slider is actually controlling the brightness. But I'm now certain that the camera is actually able to adjust the exposure but only does so through auto-adjustment. What's broken is the ability to set the exposure manually. How would one fix this?
where should i post this to get the attention of the devs who might know how to fix this?
The issue is it is a hard question. lol I don't have any idea. haha. I think the issue is we have two front cameras.
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The issue is it is a hard question. lol I don't have any idea. haha. I think the issue is we have two front cameras.
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two rear cameras my man. There's only one in the front
Interesting... I've used a couple of hdr apps on gingerbread and they appeared to work. Although I didn't do rigorous testing. All I did was compare normal pic against hdr app and I noticed a difference. However this was last summer. Maybe something changed since then.
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Oh and the stock camera app in ICS, or at least in the couple of roms I've tried, has hdr as a feature. Except it isn't true hdr I don't think. It snaps 1 pic then processes it. I didn't think there was any difference at first, but I did notice a slight improvement.
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There will always be slight differences between stock vs HDR pics because the HDR app usually does some post-processing however, if it's not taking 2 or more pictures that have the exposure adjusting drastically, you're not really getting the HDR effect.
Yes, I know about hdr... The processing and everything. I just hadn't tested these things like you have and sharing my experience.
Anyhow... I had also read others claim htc didn't use the app right months ago. Not sure why they messed that up. I'm going away for the weekend and might mess with this myself. If I see anything worth adding I will.
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Just wanted to share hdr works as it should on the latest ics leak. I just tried it on mean rom ics 1.6. Exposure adjustments in their stock app also works as it should.
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That's excellent news! Are you sure the exposure setting works properly and doesn't just change brightness? I know you probably tested it before posting but if you could do this for me and write back, i'd really appreciate it.
From inside a room from a distance, point camera towards a window. Are you able to see detail inside and outside the room by changing the exposure slider to either extreme?
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That's excellent news! Are you sure the exposure setting works properly and doesn't just change brightness? I know you probably tested it before posting but if you could do this for me and write back, i'd really appreciate it.
From inside a room from a distance, point camera towards a window. Are you able to see detail inside and outside the room by changing the exposure slider to either extreme?
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I haven't had a lot of time to play but it did work. I'm a photographer and video producer so I know what to look for. My quick test however was as a passenger in a car. I pointed it to the seat where part was in bright sun and then other was in shade, plus some of the frame of the car in shade. Stepping down showed the detail in the seat in sun, increasing it showed it in the shadows.
I also tried hdr + (I think that's the right one) and each of the 3 photos was at a different exposure, granted not by much.
There is still a bug where the front camera flips the photo left/right after it's taken, however, you only seems this after reviewing the pic.
Edit: the app was hdr camera
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Oh also fyi... The first leak did not work in relation to this.
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awesome, perhaps HTC got around to fixing it in ICS. Several months ago, I actually contacted them describing to them what was wrong with the camera. After a lot of back and forth and escalating the issue internally, I was finally able to reach the team that actually works on the stuff and they confirmed the issue and said they will include a fix "in a future release" but did not make any promises. Maybe they got around to it
I'm going to have to flash a ICS rom to test this myself once I find some spare time
Anyone else notice that the camera (at least the one on my phone) isn't as good as they expected for indoor photos? I haven't taken a lot of photos indoors, but the ones that I have for the most part have not turned out. Out of focus or very grainy. Figured it would be a killer camera (better than the competitor with an Apple for a logo).
Very disappointing, specially that was one of the high points of the HTC EVO LTE phone.
Hopefully they can do something with software upgrades.
Thoughts and suggestions?????
If you leave default settings yes, don't use automatic and expect the picture to turn out perfect...
I am not a photographer, I do know what things to adjust (to a certain degree) and get decent indoor pictures (note that if you have crappy lighting, there's not much you can do to make the picture turn out good). Anyway, there's a thread with people that either are professional photographers or hobby photographers that can help you a lot more than me if you read through it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671858
While I agree that tweaking a camera will help tremendously, I disagree that you should have to do that to get a decent indoor shot. My old EVO took fine pictures indoors, as do most camera phones. Who has time to adjust settings before every photo? "Hold on, don't blow out the candles yet - I need to change my ISO setting real quick."
One of the perks of this phone was the quickness of the camera, both loading the app and the shutter speed. I see little benefit of this when I need to make constant adjustments to get a non-grainy indoor shot. I've been highly disappointed by this as well.
Now outdoor shots... That's a whole 'nuther ballgame! Terrific with no adjustments!
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Same deal with regular point and shoot or DSLR cameras. You CAN set it on auto and you WILL get a nice picture (btw my EVO takes decent pictures, even indoor) but it will have some grain to it, again you can't expect any less, especially with bad lighting. For example, if I shoot a picture in my room (my walls are like a dark tan color) I have poor lighting, enough to see decently but if I shoot a picture here, it will have a lot of grain. If I move to my kitchen with white walls and a bright white light, it's almost the same as if I'm taking the picture outside.
Environment matters, lighting matters, settings matter.
I get great indoor photos, even in the dark. Set on auto. My 3D took horrible pics, poor color quality, everything was drab, so I love this camera.
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Unbelievable how slow this camera is...
Makes it almost unusable, especially with moving objects.
Is it just me?
Really my g2 takes pictures quite fast...no issues here
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Definitely faster than my Galaxy S2 on launch and taking a picture.
This camera has literally made me want to throw the phone against a wall.
What makes it worst is the results are the same with every camera application.
It has to be hardware.
I'm thinking I should've fixed my DROID DNA.
Taking pictures of moving objects is painful to say the least. It makes you wonder how they were able to get those pictures on their commercial...
I would of thought with optical stabilization that moving objects picture taking would be improved.
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I would of thought with optical stabilization that moving objects picture taking would be improved.
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Optical Stabilization has nothing to do with that. It has to do with "shake" caused by handholding the camera. OIS has nothing to do with moving objects. That's shutter speed.
+1 getting good pictures of my child is a PITA. It's just too slow
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Caught the soccer ball midflight without any fuss...
I would say the slowness of the camera is my biggest/only? gripe of the entire phone. This should get fixed soon, but we need to put the word out to them that this is a major concern of its users.
Taking pictures of the kids is ridiculously hard!!!! I have to put it on time shot so it takes multiple shots
TL;DR: A cellphone camera is a lot less flexible than a dedicated camera. If a scene is extremely well lit (read: direct sunlight), a cameraphone should be able to freeze frame, such as that soccer photo that was posted above, but if it's not well lit and/or the camera is biased towards slow shutter speeds, good luck. Gotta use the right tool for the job, and a cellphone isn't it.
Here comes the long version:
To create a picture, a specific amount of light is needed - too little, and you're underexposed, everything is too dark, too much, everything is over exposed; white. There's two primary factors controlling light taken in: Aperture (amount of light let in) and shutter speed (how much light is collected). Imagine filling a cup: aperture is how much you open the tap, and shutter speed is how long you keep it open. However, there's an additional factor: sensor sensitivity (ISO), which is a multiplication factor, but introduces noise when used. Think of measuring rainfall with a big bucket or a small glass. The glass will give you a ballpark figure, but the bucket will be much more accurate.
However, in all cell phones, the aperture is fixed, leaving only iso and shutter speed to be adjusted, and in most cell phones the max ISO is low due to the abysmal noise performance of these tiny sensors. In the case of the G2, it only has 4 stops of adjustment in ISO, where most compact cameras can manage 6 (iso 100-3200) and DSLRS can manage 8 or more. And, you really don't want to be using the last 2 stops if you can at all help it.
Problem is, the shutter speed can only go so low until hand shake becomes an issue. The whole point of image stabilization is to allow slower shutter speeds than could normally be used, with the ancillary benefit of less shaky video. Slower shutter speeds mean a lower ISO can be used, which results in better image quality. IS is one of the big selling points of this phone, so it's not a surprise they've decided to make it heavily favor its usage to increase image quality.
But, for moving stuff, you want fast shutter speeds.... with a bias towards slow shutter speeds, well, there's your problem. Sometimes there is a sports mode which will change the bias towards faster shutter speeds, but the G2's doesn't seem to do that (or it doesn't help much). I'd say, set ISO to max (800) and pray.
Or, if you are talking about focusing on a moving subject, either tap on something on the right plane as the moving subject, and take the picture when the subject is in the right spot. In the case of the G2, you have another option, which is to use manual focus. Either works.
Wow, the entire time I thought my camera was defective. The commercial makes a point of shooting pictures while the subject is moving and getting a still shot. In real life with this phone it's pretty impossible.
For most part the G2's camera has been fine for me but I usually don't take moving pictures with my cell phone camera.
It's true. I hope LG addresses this issue so long as it is a software defect. I'm concerned that it could be a hardware limitation though. capturing moving subjects is near impossible even in good lighting. However, the camera app opens fast enough, faster than SOME other devices. The shutter speed also gives the impression that it is faster than the nexus or moto camera. Galaxy devices are faster and then iOS has fastest shutter speed.
As for still subjects or scenes, this phone has arguably the best camera on any android device. In some instances, it is better than the iphone 5s, in others it is not. Low light shots are heavily softened yet the shot is brighter than any other camera I've seen. The smartphone camera that beats all of them is of course the lumia 1020, which many HAVE also complained to be slow.
Well I have a 9 month old and this thing doesn't miss a beat. I do however have that auto intelligence on and that snap is instant.
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Zigzag is point on. This is cell phone camera. I find it to be one of the best overall in that area. Every cell phone I have owned has had one weakness or the other. If you need quality pictures of moving objects then you need dslr. Or, snap a bunch and take the best one.
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Well I have a 9 month old and this thing doesn't miss a beat. I do however have that auto intelligence on and that snap is instant.
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The camera drives me nuts as well. Every time I read about it someone chimes in saying "well its a cellphone camera" but I have had more cellphones than most people and never had such trouble taking pictures of my son/nephew/nice, etc. To get a child to stand still for a picture is tough and sometimes it takes up to 7 seconds (I've counted) to take the picture. That's an eternity as a parent. I love everything about this phone except that aspect of the camera and the fact that Verizon doesn't offer it in white, which I'm hoping is fixed tomorrow. From there I just have to hope LG has an update for this. I don't care about the science of taking pictures, how it let's in light, I don't care if they have little Indonesian kids working in a little micro-sweat shop drawing pictures. It takes way too long to take a picture in anything but perfect sunny daylight, and thats not because it's a cellphone camera, that's comparing it to many other cellphone cameras.
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The camera drives me nuts as well. Every time I read about it someone chimes in saying "well its a cellphone camera" but I have had more cellphones than most people and never had such trouble taking pictures of my son/nephew/nice, etc. To get a child to stand still for a picture is tough and sometimes it takes up to 7 seconds (I've counted) to take the picture. That's an eternity as a parent. I love everything about this phone except that aspect of the camera and the fact that Verizon doesn't offer it in white, which I'm hoping is fixed tomorrow. From there I just have to hope LG has an update for this. I don't care about the science of taking pictures, how it let's in light, I don't care if they have little Indonesian kids working in a little micro-sweat shop drawing pictures. It takes way too long to take a picture in anything but perfect sunny daylight, and thats not because it's a cellphone camera, that's comparing it to many other cellphone cameras.
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I wasn't saying it drives me nuts... I was saying I don't have an issue with the camera... my son is crawling now and becoming more playful everyday. I don't have any issue with the camera. It does a great capturing him moving around. Not sure what some of you guys are going through because what I use it for it does an awesome job......
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The camera drives me nuts as well. Every time I read about it someone chimes in saying "well its a cellphone camera" but I have had more cellphones than most people and never had such trouble taking pictures of my son/nephew/nice, etc. To get a child to stand still for a picture is tough and sometimes it takes up to 7 seconds (I've counted) to take the picture. That's an eternity as a parent. I love everything about this phone except that aspect of the camera and the fact that Verizon doesn't offer it in white, which I'm hoping is fixed tomorrow. From there I just have to hope LG has an update for this. I don't care about the science of taking pictures, how it let's in light, I don't care if they have little Indonesian kids working in a little micro-sweat shop drawing pictures. It takes way too long to take a picture in anything but perfect sunny daylight, and thats not because it's a cellphone camera, that's comparing it to many other cellphone cameras.
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I meant to quote the person on top of your post, not your post. The strangest part is that I had the phone for about a week and didn't notice any problem with the camera. I rooted it and still didn't even notice any issue. I uprooted back to stock so I could hopefully return it for a white one If it comes out in the next couple of days and it wasn't until that point I noticed it. I took many pictures the following days as I ended up in Great Wolf Lodge and took many unsuccessful pictures of the kids, but I wonder if it was working OK and then gave me a hard time after either rooting or unrooting or if it just took me a few days to get out of the honeymoon stage to realize it. I'm curious to see what happens if I do get the option to switch my phone in the coming days, if it'll still be a problem or not.
Didn't mean for such a long post, sorry. Just following the lead of the thread, "Blowing Off Steam."
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I read somewhere (most likely on here) that the Optimus PRO had the same issue for a while with the slow shutter and was eventually fixed with a software upgrade. I never had LG before (mainly because it isn't a heavily supported brand, which is frustrating with this one as well) so I don't know how they've been in the past.
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I meant to quote the person on top of your post, not your post. The strangest part is that I had the phone for about a week and didn't notice any problem with the camera. I rooted it and still didn't even notice any issue. I uprooted back to stock so I could hopefully return it for a white one If it comes out in the next couple of days and it wasn't until that point I noticed it. I took many pictures the following days as I ended up in Great Wolf Lodge and took many unsuccessful pictures of the kids, but I wonder if it was working OK and then gave me a hard time after either rooting or unrooting or if it just took me a few days to get out of the honeymoon stage to realize it. I'm curious to see what happens if I do get the option to switch my phone in the coming days, if it'll still be a problem or not.
Didn't mean for such a long post, sorry. Just following the lead of the thread, "Blowing Off Steam."
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I have read others with your issue and then those like me with no issue. Could be bad batch ois in some of the phones.
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