So I was on a webex today with 2 guys from HTC about the new evo 3d and the evo view tablet..
they opened the qa - and it was asked what the hell happened with the evo 3d right camera being out of focus as well as the bootloader..
they claim to not know anything about the evo 3d camera being jacked.. and they had an interesting response on the bootloader -- attached is the Q/A Session audio straight from HTC.
** had to fix the attachment - not all of the mp3 was uploaded **
Cliff notes for those of us who don't want/are unable to listen?
sure - bootloader voids warranty - bootloader will be available soon - but on a 1 on 1 case with htc customer support - after you give them your esn so they can track the device if you ever try to send it in for repairs.
Camera issue - they claim they never heard of -- they where later emailed with link to the forums here with all the people with the screwed up camera issue complaints --
htc view tablet will hopefully be getting honey comb at the end of this month..
That warranty talk is bull****. Of they just remove encryption and let us root it then it will be the same as HTC devices released in the past. How could this possibly void warranty? Nonetheless, who sends phones to HTC anyway?
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mlin said:
That warranty talk is bull****. Of they just remove encryption and let us root it then it will be the same as HTC devices released in the past. How could this possibly void warranty? Nonetheless, who sends phones to HTC anyway?
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I would imagine that ESN info would carry over to repairs with the phone carrier.
As for why it would void warranty, the biggest factor would be overclocking. I'm not sure exactly what and how other system modifications could affect long term stability of the phone, and they probably don't care. The fact is, allowing us access opens the phone up to potential problems not covered under the warranty as provided.
if he have sprints warranty it wont even matter.
I've already talked to a lot of couple regional tech managers for sprint and theres nothing even close to being setup to track unlocking, so it really won't change anything except after 1yr and only then if you don't have sprints ESRP or TEP
I'm calling BS on the warranty voiding and case by case. If that's true, then a lot of people will be pissed. I'm calling it now.
And honestly, this is the first time I've heard of the out of focus thing.
If they unlock my phone ill give them the esn.... **** it warranty never did me anygood when I get a new phone ever few months...
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I didn't hear anything about tracking the esn number... unless i missed it. It would be pretty low of htc to void your warranty if it is an obvious hardware issue such as loose micro usb port or dead pixels. No other phones with unlocked boot-loaders do that including Motorola, Samsung, and the nexus phones. It was also hilarious when at the end of the call you can hear the guy in the background pissed off and swearing, wish I knew what he was saying when the lady started to talk over him.
bull crap about warranty. I mean what does unlocking bootloader have anything to do with warranty. Motorola the company who started all this crap is not even saying this. Unless the CEO opened his mouth too fast and is eady to swallow is own words then I can understand. Other than that this is bull****.
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If they unlock my phone ill give them the esn.... **** it warranty never did me anygood when I get a new phone ever few months...
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^^ This...
They can have my ESN, Phone, License, etc number they want, as long as they step up to the plate..
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If they unlock my phone ill give them the esn.... **** it warranty never did me anygood when I get a new phone ever few months...
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Exactly.
Technically, rooting voids the warranty anyways. We've always just had the luxury of reverting it back to stock and undoing whatever mods we've made. If someone isn't prepared to accept that rooting voids your warranty, then perhaps that person shouldn't be rooting to begin with. If the warranty is that important to you, then leave the phone stock. I don't give a crap about the warranty. If i bork my phone by messing with it, then that's my problem (hasnt happened yet.....knocking on wood)
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I have Black Tie insurance, which covers accidental (which in my own theory covers my phone if it was to get bricked.) So I'll send my ESN away. The only problem with this is if you ever wanted to resell the phone...
with Black Tie, don't they get you a new phone? or is it a refurb ?
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with Black Tie, don't they get you a new phone? or is it a refurb ?
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Refurb w/ Rapid Exchange (~2-3 business days).
to hell with warranties just give me my unlocked bootloader >.<
Yeah what's this focus problem?
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Yeah what's this focus problem?
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When people are taking 3d video and I am assuming pictures as well, when viewing on a non 3d screen and it shows as side by side, the right picture is actually blurry and the left picture is much clearer.
If Sprint were to actually track rooted devices and not warranty them under their plan, they would be losing a lot of $7 a month charges that has probably just been extra money in their pocket for the most part.
Yea I was just thinking I still have TEP to fall back on, call in the phone stolen or something. I doubt ill brick my phone but something like the back light went out or whatever other manufacturer defect I will be expecting a replacement.
I think the reason rooting a phone freaks them out and makes them void the warranty when someone does it is because of overclocking. If you burn out your processor early because you are pushing it far beyond the speed it was meant to go, they don't want to have to pay to replace your phone.
I would bet if there was no such thing as overclocking they wouldn't really care. At least the manufacturer wouldn't...the carriers would still cry because you can circumvent their $30 a month tethering plans...
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If you were to use HTCs method to unlock your bootloader, they now have your serial number or other unique identifier for your phone. If you are paying for insurance, Sprint does the warranty work for free, like if the screen suddenly stopped working due to some other reason than mishandling. So, whether you can or can't lock your bootloader back down, HTC has your serial number as one that has been unlocked.
The question is, are they sharing it with Sprint, and will Sprint then not fix your phone like they would have had you not unlocked it at all?
Makes me so thankful I don't have to rely on HTC for unlocking!
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If you were to use HTCs method to unlock your bootloader, they now have your serial number or other unique identifier for your phone. If you are paying for insurance, Sprint does the warranty work for free, like if the screen suddenly stopped working due to some other reason than mishandling. So, whether you can or can't lock your bootloader back down, HTC has your serial number as one that has been unlocked.
The question is, are they sharing it with Sprint, and will Sprint then not fix your phone like they would have had you not unlocked it at all?
Makes me so thankful I don't have to rely on HTC for unlocking!
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I don't believe anybody has the answer to this question. We have to wait and see.
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If you were to use HTCs method to unlock your bootloader, they now have your serial number or other unique identifier for your phone. If you are paying for insurance, Sprint does the warranty work for free, like if the screen suddenly stopped working due to some other reason than mishandling. So, whether you can or can't lock your bootloader back down, HTC has your serial number as one that has been unlocked.
The question is, are they sharing it with Sprint, and will Sprint then not fix your phone like they would have had you not unlocked it at all?
Makes me so thankful I don't have to rely on HTC for unlocking!
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What I don't understand is why would any of us care??? Since we have our own method of getting S-OFF, why would we even consider doing what HTC wants. There is nothing, NOTHING, that HTC will offer with their bootloader unlocking that is positive to the modidng community.
At this point, I wouldn't worry about it since the tool isn't out yet, and we have a way of reverting back to S-ON and RUU'ing to a stock phone.
Some brave soul will take the bait later down the road and will be a guinea pig for us to see what will happen once they surrender their info to HTC.
I don't plan to use their F-OFF tool unless my phone magically takes an OTA or I get a replacement and cant F it OFF myself.
Why would it matter for insurance. Insurance is insurance not warranty service. I can take my phone and throw it on the ground as hard as I can and call Assurion and they will replace it whether its rooted or not. I'll have to pay the $100 deductible but it won't matter if I'm rooted or not.
Now if your going to make a warranty claim and HTC has your SN and has marked it in the system as not being authorized for warranty work then yes your screwed.
I used revolutionary S-off and then flashed the Eng hboot. I won't be using htc's OTA.
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Why would it matter for insurance. Insurance is insurance not warranty service. I can take my phone and throw it on the ground as hard as I can and call Assurion and they will replace it whether its rooted or not. I'll have to pay the $100 deductible but it won't matter if I'm rooted or not.
Now if your going to make a warranty claim and HTC has your SN and has marked it in the system as not being authorized for warranty work then yes your screwed.
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Because Sprint Total Equipment Protection(TEP) insurance is comprised of the Equipment Service & Repair Program(ESRP) and the Equipment Replacement Program(ERP). ESRP covers warranty issues during and after the manufacturers warranty and ERP covers accidental damage(water, theft, and total destruction). I wouldn't want to be paying $8 per month and find out that the ESRP portion is worthless.
Hmm anyone worried we had to give our serial number in order to use the Revolutionary tool, kind of like what HTC wants us to do, hmmm (being paranoid).......
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I have a crazy idea here. Why not call Sprint and ask? Just say "Hey, I'm thinking of unlocking my bootloader which will void my HTC warranty and I am wondering if I am still covered under your insurance?"
I mean...its just a thought... But it might be better to take the advice of random strangers who may or may not know the real answer.
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I have a crazy idea here. Why not call Sprint and ask? Just say "Hey, I'm thinking of unlocking my bootloader which will void my HTC warranty and I am wondering if I am still covered under your insurance?"
I mean...its just a thought... But it might be better to take the advice of random strangers who may or may not know the real answer.
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In theory you are right. But in practice you will get a different answer from every rep you speak with.
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In theory you are right. But in practice you will get a different answer from every rep you speak with.
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Document document document...write down the time, date, rep name, etc. Or if they say no it is not covered, have them tell you where it states that in the agreement so you can read it yourself.
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Document document document...write down the time, date, rep name, etc. Or if they say no it is not covered, have them tell you where it states that in the agreement so you can read it yourself.
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That and a nickel will get you...well, a nickel. Sprint reps give different answers on existing policy, much less one that probably doesn't exist yet. Someone might have better luck emailing every Sprint Exec they can find, including Dan himself, to get a semi-straight answer. At this point their answer will probably go something like, "We are working on this policy and details will be forthcoming". I was just throwing a scenario out there on one possible way Sprint could screw us over. It's speculative, I know, but entirely possible with Sprint. I don't plan to register with HTC/Sprint, so it was more of a warning to others.
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That and a nickel will get you...well, a nickel. Sprint reps give different answers on existing policy, much less one that probably doesn't exist yet. Someone might have better luck emailing every Sprint Exec they can find, including Dan himself, to get a semi-straight answer. At this point their answer will probably go something like, "We are working on this policy and details will be forthcoming". I was just throwing a scenario out there on one possible way Sprint could screw us over. It's speculative, I know, but entirely possible with Sprint. I don't plan to register with HTC/Sprint, so it was more of a warning to others.
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Well, if that is the view, then even getting an "experienced" response on here would be just as worthless. I think you would do much better to document your call, question and response as I suggest rather than waiting until after the fact and saying "But GooseEye on the XDA forums said that HIS phone was covered after unlocking the bootloader." I'm pretty sure that little piece of information would make the Sprint rep laugh before saying no.
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Well, if that is the view, then even getting an "experienced" response on here would be just as worthless. I think you would do much better to document your call, question and response as I suggest rather than waiting until after the fact and saying "But GooseEye on the XDA forums said that HIS phone was covered after unlocking the bootloader." I'm pretty sure that little piece of information would make the Sprint rep laugh before saying no.
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I think you're applying my response too broadly.
In this specific situation with regard to warranty coverage through paid Sprint insurance, documenting a rep's response about whether warranty work will or won't be covered on a HTC unlocked bootloader phone, without existing policy in place, will mean nothing. A honest rep should say there's no policy in place yet to answer that question, in which case documentation is moot. A dishonest or misinformed rep could give you wrong info, and while documented by you, will really get you nowhere. Time will pass, account notes will expire, apologies will be issued, but the promise won't be honored. If you put up a good fight, they might end up honoring it, for that one time only.
On a broader scale, and with existing policy, it's always a good idea to document. I do it myself and it's paid off numerous times. But I've always used the "experienced" responses from this and other forums to know what the existing policy is, what to ask for, and whether the rep's response holds any weight or whether they're just blowing smoke. Not all reps interpret all policy correctly, store reps being notoriously bad, so it helps to know whether they're giving you empty promises.
I assume you're just hypothetically using my name in your insurance coverage example but I have to say that I never stated anywhere in my posts that Sprint insurance warranty coverage w/unlocked bootloader will in fact work a certain way. In fact, I was cautioning that there could be other, as yet unverified ramifications, other than the HTC warranty. A pessimistic view for sure, but one that doesn't tend to leave people with false hope.
I have a launch 3vo, 1.4 hboot. My screen shattered, if I get a replacement I assume it will have 1.5 hboot, which I've seen stuff here and there that says limited support. Would I be better off trying to replace it and keeping my current phone, which is rooted and romed? And has anyone had anyluck replacing it? I've seen the thread for replacing the lcd, but I just need the glass, thanks.
You should take it to the Sprint store and see if they can just replace the digitizer. Make up some BS about how you need your phonefor business and can't wait on a replacement. If they can fix it, awesome. If not, then just take it back and maybe order the digitizer yourself.
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I have a launch 3vo, 1.4 hboot. My screen shattered, if I get a replacement I assume it will have 1.5 hboot, which I've seen stuff here and there that says limited support. Would I be better off trying to replace it and keeping my current phone, which is rooted and romed? And has anyone had anyluck replacing it? I've seen the thread for replacing the lcd, but I just need the glass, thanks.
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As long as you have TEP, you can get your screen replaced in the store. The software, rom, root, etc. make no difference. If they try to tell you they can't replace it then they're either lazy, unaware of how to harvest parts, or uneducated on Sprint Corporate S&R policies.
I replace them all the time in our stores. The myth is that you can't get your phone repaired if it's rooted. That's not true, it just voids your HTC warranty, not your insurance with Sprint. I encourage my customers to root and have even rooted some of their devices for them. The biggest issue are techs that aren't aware of Sprint policies or just too lazy to follow them.
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As long as you have TEP, you can get your screen replaced in the store. The software, rom, root, etc. make no difference. If they try to tell you they can't replace it then they're either lazy, unaware of how to harvest parts, or uneducated on Sprint Corporate S&R policies.
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Not if it's shattered, I had multiple (actually, I called all of hte stores in my area) and they all said that physical damage is not repairable in store and must be processed through the insurance company. It sucked =\
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Not if it's shattered, I had multiple (actually, I called all of hte stores in my area) and they all said that physical damage is not repairable in store and must be processed through the insurance company. It sucked =\
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Like I said before... some stores have lazy techs. Telling a customer that physical damage is not repairable in store is completely false. The more accurate statement would be as follows:
Physical damage resulting in catastrophic malfunction or complete unusability is not repairable in store. Physical damage resulting in cosmetic abnormalities can be repaired.
Long story short, they tell you that because they don't want to deal with it. There is no policy against it and further their is no reason these damages should not be repaired.
I repair completely shattered Evo screens daily with a disclaimer that if anything is internally damaged it MAY result in an insurance claim. In most cases it's purely cosmetic and I have them out the door with no money out of pocket and happy as can be.
I'm actually on the process with Asurion to get a replacement because my screen is broken too... I took the phone to Sprint and the Sprint Rep file a claim and I just had to fax a Form and a copy of my driver license to get it... they wont fix it.. I would be getting the phone by monday so I report back if I get a 1.5 hboot phone..
Damn!!! Tell us how you really feel
Like Palekillerwhale said, it's going to depend on the techs at the sprint store. If you live in a metropolitan area, take it to another authorized sprint repair store. I'm fortunate the one by me is pretty decent, and works really hard at satisfying customers. They even have an evo 4g on a display with a shattered screen (not a small crack...completely shattered), and it says "we can fix this".
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Like I said before... some stores have lazy techs. Telling a customer that physical damage is not repairable in store is completely false. The more accurate statement would be as follows:
Physical damage resulting in catastrophic malfunction or complete unusability is not repairable in store. Physical damage resulting in cosmetic abnormalities can be repaired.
Long story short, they tell you that because they don't want to deal with it. There is no policy against it and further their is no reason these damages should not be repaired.
I repair completely shattered Evo screens daily with a disclaimer that if anything is internally damaged it MAY result in an insurance claim. In most cases it's purely cosmetic and I have them out the door with no money out of pocket and happy as can be.
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Really guy you must not know what we can and can't fix read your M&P's one more time brother....cracked screens with multiple cracks not repairable a crack on the digitizer or housing one inch or less we can ae or harvest. So not lazy just am not getting a chargeback for my store as per our SAR.
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Well you keep working for corporate, I'll keep working for customers. As much money as I save Sprint with my ridiculously low exchange rate, they can spare harvested parts to help customers out. Keep sending people to Asurion for more ****ty DOA replacements.
I'm #1 in the southern region for a reason.
Can't and won't are two completely different things.
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Damn!!! Tell us how you really feel
Like Palekillerwhale said, it's going to depend on the techs at the sprint store. If you live in a metropolitan area, take it to another authorized sprint repair store. I'm fortunate the one by me is pretty decent, and works really hard at satisfying customers. They even have an evo 4g on a display with a shattered screen (not a small crack...completely shattered), and it says "we can fix this".
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Thank you for this tokuzumi. I try to do my part in helping people as much as I can.
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Well, the stores around here wont replace the screen. They all say they no longer do that, that its an insurance claim. Now, the exception is a smokin ass chick I know got her evo's screen replaced in store no problem. There's alittle cell phone place going to do it monday for 95$, oem digitizer. I'm in houston area btw.
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Well, the stores around here wont replace the screen. They all say they no longer do that, that its an insurance claim. Now, the exception is a smokin ass chick I know got her evo's screen replaced in store no problem. There's alittle cell phone place going to do it monday for 95$, oem digitizer. I'm in houston area btw.
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That further proves my point that it comes down to a techs willingness to help you. If you were in northeast TX I could help you out. Or just have a hot chick take your phone into the store lol.
I know our insurance is asurion, but does any of it go to sprint, the money?
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I know our insurance is asurion, but does any of it go to sprint, the money?
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Your $8 a month goes to Sprint for contracting Asurion, the deductible goes to Asurion. Lately they've been sending out a lot of DOA devices so I've been replacing them with ours. Avoid Asurion if possible.
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Like I said before... some stores have lazy techs. Telling a customer that physical damage is not repairable in store is completely false. The more accurate statement would be as follows:
Physical damage resulting in catastrophic malfunction or complete unusability is not repairable in store. Physical damage resulting in cosmetic abnormalities can be repaired.
Long story short, they tell you that because they don't want to deal with it. There is no policy against it and further their is no reason these damages should not be repaired.
I repair completely shattered Evo screens daily with a disclaimer that if anything is internally damaged it MAY result in an insurance claim. In most cases it's purely cosmetic and I have them out the door with no money out of pocket and happy as can be.
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I wish you worked on one of the stores in my area. Luckily when Asurion replaced mine, they didn't yet have refurbished ones so they were brand new. Although this one does have a dead pixel
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If anyone is ever in the Central Florida area and needs help with anything, or anything replaced on the phone. Then let me know. Or if you are willing to drive an extra hour, which a lot of my daily customers do. I am a service tech who has been doing this for a while and knows how to replace almost anything on any newer smartphone. Rooted or not, I will work on it!
I do this stuff on the side. I have done a bunch of phones. If anyone near Chicago needs anything done, I'd be happy to help out. I do it pretty cheap too. I even have an add on craigslist right now.
PS: A buddy and I were the first ones to do a teardown of the Evo 3D. Just saying.
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I'm sure there are a bunch of us out there willing to help out. Good to see.
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Well, I can tell you a few things regarding this issue and what I plan to do about it...
I had a NON-DAMAGE screen issue pop up with my Evo3d just a little over the 30 days from launch, which of course I got the handset on release day. The screen/digitalizer would become unresponsive or conversely just freak out, clicking/selecting things without touching the screen at all. Well of course after a day of frustration thinking it was an app or something else I decided to get it fixed.
First and foremost and still to this day, taking it to a Sprint store (I'm in NY so there are PLENTY of them, including flagship stores and repair dept's.) and they inform me that there is a problem (lol) and they would replace it with a refurbished phone (no cost). I refused, stating that if they couldn't repair the handset they should replace it with a NEW one. Hahahaha, I'm sure you can figure their answer to that...
I told them (the analogy might be a bit off), but it was like buying a new car and having a problem with it right away... so you take it to the dealer and they tell you instead of fixing your car, they have one or two sitting on the lot that was put together from pieces of GOOD cars they had gotten back broken, but not too worry that car he's giving you is just LIKE new.
So I took my phone and called Sprint, eventually elevating it to a Supervisor and explained that just because the phone was over 30 days, it was not dropped, water or any other type of damaged and should be swapped as defective, not damaged and seeing that THEY couldn't repair it (they had not parts yet for it) that further qualified the fact it should be replaced as it was - "NEW". Lol... well, the Supervisor said that although he KNEW that was done at times, he wasn;t sure if he could get approval for this instance. Of course they wouldn't replace it with a new unit, but they did put me in a 3 way with HTC who would repair the "KNOWN ISSUE" with the digitalizers on my phone and send "MY" phone back to me all new. A 6-10 day turn around... Well sounded good right? Sure........ right until HTC somehow forgot to send me the shipping and return info, etc., lol...
Anyways, so fast forward, the screen then worked... only intermittently would they screen/digitalizer issue pop it's ugly head. (The original issue began in end of July, early August)... That is until just last week, when not matter what I did, the screen was totally out of control. SO I went to Sprint store to see if they had parts yet... and the answer was no, they would repair screen, but would replace the phone. I was so pissed as you could imagine. 4 months and no parts for repair? Hmmmmmm... ok, well we (here) all know they WANT that 1.5 HBoot on all our phones and that seemingly benign tracking software too... lol. So I refused.
Ok, to the meat of the story...
So I called Sprint and after going through what seemed torture (yes - 4 + hours on the phone) they shipped me a REPLACEMENT unit. OH boy... you're thinking he's right back where he started... but it's not so.
What I wanted was the broken phone and a replacement unit in my hand at the same time, obviously for a reason.
First thing I did of course was turn the thing on and sure enough, HBoot 1.5. Then the unit starts and of course the garbage is there, asking if it's ok for HTC to TRACK my activities to provide a better product, bull bull bull, but whatever... I just look over the phone and make note of all the upgrades to software, hardware, etc., personally, I'm not liking it, but whatever.
Here's what I'm gonna do about it... I'm taking the damned thing apart and swapping the NEW screen with the core of my phone so I get what I want. I still have another 14 days to send the broken phone back so plenty of time to do it. I also took video of my phone freaking out so if they try to charge me I will be able to fight it. I'm not in the city this week otherwise I would have just stopped by the Sprint store near me and duked the kid $20 to do the swap for me, but whatever, I have the tech tools so will help myself. I'm happy to be free from the bull they put on the handsets and keep my original phone. I get my new screen and keep the original core... all no cost to me.
Anyways, thought I'd just share my experience with you all.
Regards,
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Well you keep working for corporate, I'll keep working for customers. As much money as I save Sprint with my ridiculously low exchange rate, they can spare harvested parts to help customers out. Keep sending people to Asurion for more ****ty DOA replacements.
I'm #1 in the southern region for a reason.
Ahahahahaha who is your SAR...I am in the south region too and I am floored by your response I am a tech at a 3rd party dealer and we just had an audit of my store I asked my representitive and you are wrong ahahahahaha
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Hi, my screen is unresponsive in about a centimeter thick line going vertical on the left side of my screen. I've downloaded an app called "Touch Test" and it just shows that whole area not able to be recognized when touched and it skips to the left or right. I've tried the "PDS fix" and no luck there.
I've been running CM7 for a while now and this is the first time this is happening today. I haven't installed any applications at all today either.
So I have two questions:
1) Does anyone know of a fix for this instead of getting a new device?
2) If I have to get a new screen or device, is there a way to "relock" or hide evidence of me unlocking the bootloader?
You're screen is toast. No way around it. You can send it into moto and it should be under warranty, if you are the original purchaser and can prove it with receipts blahblahblah.
It has nothing to do with unlocking it. The digitizer died. It's like taking your car to the dealer and them saying your transmission went out because of an intake modification. There are laws in place for this type.of thing, not sure it applies to phones or.electronics but with proper legal counsel you can show cases for cars that apply to this situation...but I digress
If you read the disclaimer closely of the unlock it says "may void warranty", which means if they can prove the unlocking the phone caused the fault it's voided. Ie before sending back to moto RSD to factory or fruitcake it. This way they have no way to blame a software mod that caused the issue. On the flip side, you're dealing with big corp, so it could get hairy if they try to charge you and you refuse to pay. You could always try to fight it and request proof of why it caused the hardware failure via software. In the end, it's cheaper to pay the $125 out of warranty claim with moto then to get a lawyer. blah blah im playing both sides, but the only way to find out is to send it off to moto.
Also if you have att insurance this ois 100% covered even unlocked, I know from personal experience. The only thing that sucks there is dealing with the att cs reps for 2 hours. Again, flash back to stock and don't mention the unlocking. If you know how to deal with tech support properly this will be a simple task to get an expedited warranty claim.
Also, if you search the forums for it, this has been over and over a hundred times incase you feel I am misinforming you.
Good luck dude!
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Look for and try the pds. Fix
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Im guessing u skimmed the OP, derp
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malfuncion said:
You're screen is toast. No way around it. You can send it into moto and it should be under warranty, if you are the original purchaser and can prove it with receipts blahblahblah.
It has nothing to do with unlocking it. The digitizer died. It's like taking your car to the dealer and them saying your transmission went out because of an intake modification. There are laws in place for this type.of thing, not sure it applies to phones or.electronics but with proper legal counsel you can show cases for cars that apply to this situation...but I digress
If you read the disclaimer closely of the unlock it says "may void warranty", which means if they can prove the unlocking the phone caused the fault it's voided. Ie before sending back to moto RSD to factory or fruitcake it. This way they have no way to blame a software mod that caused the issue. On the flip side, you're dealing with big corp, so it could get hairy if they try to charge you and you refuse to pay. You could always try to fight it and request proof of why it caused the hardware failure via software. In the end, it's cheaper to pay the $125 out of warranty claim with moto then to get a lawyer. blah blah im playing both sides, but the only way to find out is to send it off to moto.
Also if you have att insurance this ois 100% covered even unlocked, I know from personal experience. The only thing that sucks there is dealing with the att cs reps for 2 hours. Again, flash back to stock and don't mention the unlocking. If you know how to deal with tech support properly this will be a simple task to get an expedited warranty claim.
Also, if you search the forums for it, this has been over and over a hundred times incase you feel I am misinforming you.
Good luck dude!
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Bummer, but thank you for your response.
Another quick question, It's not a huge issue to me right now, I feel like I can live with it for another month maybe. I bought my phone in April I think, is it still possible to buy insurance on it this late? Like if I got the insurance, then waited another month after getting the insurance, tell them theres something messed up so they don't think that I was just trying to get a cheap fix. (which I am haha)
Because I'm thinking if I got the insurance (which I wanted to get initially but for whatever reason I didn't), it would be cheaper to give to AT&T rather than motorola.
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Im guessing u skimmed the OP, derp
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You are correct......damn kid making me split my time lol..
Sorry op.
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Same here, New interests in the mail.. Voice control Sucks... derp ..
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_Dennis_ said:
You are correct......damn kid making me split my time lol..
Sorry op.
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I definitely feel ya there. I was making dinner for the kiddo when I was responding. Took me twice as long as it should have
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Bummer, but thank you for your response.
Another quick question, It's not a huge issue to me right now, I feel like I can live with it for another month maybe. I bought my phone in April I think, is it still possible to buy insurance on it this late? Like if I got the insurance, then waited another month after getting the insurance, tell them theres something messed up so they don't think that I was just trying to get a cheap fix. (which I am haha)
Because I'm thinking if I got the insurance (which I wanted to get initially but for whatever reason I didn't), it would be cheaper to give to AT&T rather than motorola.
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I am not sure you can put insurance on a device that is over the 30 day limit. However it may be 60, eitherway you are screwed. It wouldnt hurt to call them and ask though. The insurance is like 5 or 7 bucks a month and in this case we didnt have to pay anythign out of pocket. Also, you may try a 3rd party insurance company like square trade, but that may or may not work.
When my g/f's did it, we just called AT&T and after troubleshooting, wiping, troubleshooting some more, wiping again, they gave up and sent us a phone next day'd.
The funny thing was explaining to the CS Rep how we can't login to motoblur since the keyboard's A/S/W/Q/E/1/2 keys didnt really work, and of course my g/f's email is her name [email protected]. At that point she flipped out on the AT&T person for taking us from a semi working phone, at least could answer calls and such to a total biffed phone stuck at the motoblur login. Another crappy thing about the whole ordeal, she started the conversation on a tuesday night at 1730 with CS Rep, that one lasted til 1830. At 1830, the CS Rep wanted to elevate to tier 2 "android specialist" (i laugh everytime I hear that), which was "busy" and didnt call back until 2200. That conversation lasted until 2230, when he finally gave up.
At the end of the whole thing, the phone was overnighted AND we got a $60 credit on our account for them totally biffin it up. Thanks tier 2 support! lulz.
In that case I might actually try to go that route haha. If not, I might as well pay to get it fixed if that's all I can do. I love my atrix and don't want to move on just yet.
If I unlock my device using the dev unlock, will that void my sprint tep plan too? Unfortunately, I have bad lick with phones and I'm afraid if I break it, I'll have to pay out of pocket to replace it
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If I unlock my device using the dev unlock, will that void my sprint tep plan too? Unfortunately, I have bad lick with phones and I'm afraid if I break it, I'll have to pay out of pocket to replace it
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I honestly don't know, but I would think so. Their technicians (not all, though) have been known to check for this kind of stuff.
I know at one point they quit voiding it due to root, but unlocked bootloader is different than root.
Call your local store and ask, they may have more details.
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If I unlock my device using the dev unlock, will that void my sprint tep plan too? Unfortunately, I have bad lick with phones and I'm afraid if I break it, I'll have to pay out of pocket to replace it
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You could always run over it, throw it in the toilet, or flat out loss it, heck you could have a friend steal it.
Warranty is different from insurance. I can't imagine TEP saying the insurance you pay for is invalid just because your HTC warranty is void.
But i, of course,could be wrong.
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The way I read the unlock warnings even unlocking doesn't totally negate the HTC warranty.
If you have a manufacturing flaw, sreen coming up, button issue, etc. Seems that would still be covered.
But if you hose it software wise they don't want any part of it.
Well HTC seems to be using it to negate the warranty. With "may" becoming "will" if you read around on the One X threads there are some lengthy threads about this . With HTC refusing to fix phones with big screen burn spots (obvious HW issue), then charging the customer ~300$ to flash to stock. Primarily a concern for international HTC customers who rely on HTC directly for warranty. Shouldn't be an issue with insurance. So I know this is a bit OT. My apologies for that.
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I took my 3D to Sprint for repairs twice due to dead pixels. They swapped out the screen both times. I showed up rooted the first time, and the technician noticed I had ICS 3.6 on it and he said I neet to unroot for them to do repairs. That was easy. all I had to do was relock the bootloader and ruu back to stock. They dont care if it shows "relocked" or not as long as it was on a stock rom. From what I've read Sprints TEP is getting more expensive and the deductible is ridiculous. Not worth it if you do the math. However I still carry the insurance in case of bricking.
Thanks. I'm not worried about the price, the deductible might go up, but is still cheaper then buying a phone out right
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I have seen tons of Knox related content, but I do have a question that I have not seen asked before. We know that tripping the knox flag will void your warranty and you will take a boat load of crap if you try to have it serviced, but what about when the year is up and you try to give it back to Sprint to get a new phone on the One Up plan? Will they still take it back with that flag tripped? Thanks.
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I have seen tons of Knox related content, but I do have a question that I have not seen asked before. We know that tripping the knox flag will void your warranty and you will take a boat load of crap if you try to have it serviced, but what about when the year is up and you try to give it back to Sprint to get a new phone on the One Up plan? Will they still take it back with that flag tripped? Thanks.
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I don't think it will be an issue when you are at the store as all they are really looking at is does the phone work. Most reps would have no clue how to even get in to download mode to check it anyway. I plan on doing the one up again when the Note 4 comes out next year and am worried that where ever the phones go after they leave the store will catch it. What happens then? Will they come back and say that I owe the balance on the N3? Guess we will have to wait and see.
The last three phones I have sold back to Sprint have been rooted and they never said anything. This is different though, so it does worry me. I don't mind not having a Samsung warranty, but not being able to trade it in in a year is quite offputting and defeats the One Up program. Hopefully, someone can provide some definitive information...i'd rather not ask at the Sprint store. lol
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The last three phones I have sold back to Sprint have been rooted and they never said anything. This is different though, so it does worry me. I don't mind not having a Samsung warranty, but not being able to trade it in in a year is quite offputting and defeats the One Up program. Hopefully, someone can provide some definitive information...i'd rather not ask at the Sprint store. lol
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My local store knows I had my Note 2 rooted. I even helped 2 of the employees root theirs lol. When I went in to do the one up one did ask me if I put it back to stock which I had. He did not check. Just made sure no physical damage and that it turned on. I have a feeling we will not know exactly how this will be handled untill a year from now. Because of this I am still debating on rooting or not.
Unless it has changed, check the link in my signature. Sprint allows rooting, you just have ignorant people that don't even knows the policies of the company they work for.
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Unless it has changed, check the link in my signature. Sprint allows rooting, you just have ignorant people that don't even knows the policies of the company they work for.
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I get that they don't care about rooting, but no Sprint phone has ever had a situation like this. This explicitly voids the warranty on the phone and there is no way for sprint to resolve that by simply putting stock firmware/rom back on the phone. I am just curious how this will be handled when returning the phone on the One Up program. If one is not on this program, it wont matter because they will have it for 20-24 months, unless they buy a new one out of pocket. Presumably, the warranty would be expired on the phone anyway. I don't think there's any point in calling a Sprint store and asking this question now because I'm am all but certain that they will not know how to answer it accurately.
Generally after a year there is no warranty anyway. So how could they deny you over a voided warranty when you can only us one up once a year? Just wait an extra day after the year.
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I get that they don't care about rooting, but no Sprint phone has ever had a situation like this. This explicitly voids the warranty on the phone and there is no way for sprint to resolve that by simply putting stock firmware/rom back on the phone. I am just curious how this will be handled when returning the phone on the One Up program. If one is not on this program, it wont matter because they will have it for 20-24 months, unless they buy a new one out of pocket. Presumably, the warranty would be expired on the phone anyway. I don't think there's any point in calling a Sprint store and asking this question now because I'm am all but certain that they will not know how to answer it accurately.
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Most of the store employees don't even know how to check this kind of stuff. When I exchanged my htc one for the Note 3 they didn't even open the box and check the phone. If you have the TEP and have a hardware issue just take it in and get an exchange. If you expect Sprint employees to know how to get into Download/ODIN mode, your giving a little to much credit lol.
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Most of the store employees don't even know how to check this kind of stuff. When I exchanged my htc one for the Note 3 they didn't even open the box and check the phone. If you have the TEP and have a hardware issue just take it in and get an exchange. If you expect Sprint employees to know how to get into Download/ODIN mode, your giving a little to much credit lol.
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I have seen quite a few people say that in regards to Sprint store employees, but again, this is a special case. I would guess that they will be taught how to check it. Why even put that flag in there if it means nothing? I saw a thread here the other day where someone had to take a Note 3 back, for whatever reason, and they checked it. One would hope that they would remain clueless, but I don't think that is going to be the case. I am on the verge of rooting anyway, just trying to consider everything before I do.
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Generally after a year there is no warranty anyway. So how could they deny you over a voided warranty when you can only us one up once a year? Just wait an extra day after the year.
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On the One Up plan, you aren't buying the phone, but simply leasing it. Unless you decide to keep the phone for the whole 24 months, then you own it. So there's the problem if they won't take it back due to Knox flag being tripped. You are then stuck with it for the full 24 months and it defeats the purpose of paying extra for the One Up plan.
I have never purchased a used phone from Sprint. Do you get any kind of warranty with a used phone? If so, is it in any way a manufacturers warranty or simply a Sprint warranty? I guess if it's only Sprint, they would have to decide to warrant a phone that the manufacturer wont warrant.
I don't mean to belabor the point, but it seems as though I am the only one with this concern.
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On the One Up plan, you aren't buying the phone, but simply leasing it. Unless you decide to keep the phone for the whole 24 months, then you own it. So there's the problem if they won't take it back due to Knox flag being tripped. You are then stuck with it for the full 24 months and it defeats the purpose of paying extra for the One Up plan.
I have never purchased a used phone from Sprint. Do you get any kind of warranty with a used phone? If so, is it in any way a manufacturers warranty or simply a Sprint warranty? I guess if it's only Sprint, they would have to decide to warrant a phone that the manufacturer wont warrant.
I don't mean to belabor the point, but it seems as though I am the only one with this concern.
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I am personally not worried about it, like I said 99% of the store employees are clueless anyways and half the time don't even boot the damn phone. I understand where you are coming from but I really don't think you have anything to worry about. Besides does it say anything in the One Up contract about rooting a device? No.
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I am personally not worried about it, like I said 99% of the store employees are clueless anyways and half the time don't even boot the damn phone. I understand where you are coming from but I really don't think you have anything to worry about. Besides does it say anything in the One Up contract about rooting a device? No.
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Right on. Just trying to cover my bases before I root. Will probably do it tomorrow. Thanks for your input.