X10 bootloader has been finally bypassed!
Does that mean our bootloader will be unlocked as well?
Slade, d4rk, etc., say something.
nilseby said:
X10 bootloader has been finally unlocked!
Does that mean our bootloader will be unlocked as well?
Slade, d4rk, etc., say something.
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We can already add modules to the kernel for overclock and undervolt etc. So whats the point in doing it
Would be able to unlock carrier SIM locks for free.
Use custom kernels for native tethering support
Improved battery life.
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Ahh yes of course. Overlooked the second one because my carrier doesn't allow tethering
We wont get improved battery life, because that comes with undervolting - we can do that already.
Also better camera support for CM7, if I'm not mistaken.
The most that we can make after "unlocking" the bootloader is that we can boot any custom Operating System.
Yes, not just android but any operating system, but that is totally dependent on our hardware capabilities ofcourse!
It's true, death, you're right!
But that's really awesome!
Imagine Android 2.4 (which will come later) or android 2.3 without bugs or windows phone 7 (for the windows lovers). And believe me, a qualcomm processor with Adreno 200GPU isn't low.
Bootloader has been bypassed !
But on the big X10, they can flash custom Kernel !
And custom kernel are very important !
If you run Android 2.3.4 on a Kernel for Android 2.1 it's not very stable !
A good Kernel can save Battery life without undervolting !
With a custom Kernel we can have very good performance in games.
But anyway, SE don't give his Kernel sources so it would never be as good as it can !
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I'm rather new to the Android scene and I'm not exactly quite experienced with low-level development, so bear with me if this sounds stupid. My idea is not to allow the x10 to run custom roms, but rather, to have access to features from newer versions of Android while still running the SE firmware.
Since we currently have access to su permissions on our x10 via rooting, would it be possible for us to backport some modules of newer Android versions to existing SE versions? Hook/patch/install those modules into the SE firmware? I know it's a little too early for this, but I'm thinking along the lines of Eclair to Froyo, considering that the upgrade between those are considered "minor" as compared to Donut to Froyo, and Eclair isn't too far away.
I'm no Android developer myself but from what I know that would be a lot of effort for each small update, I think biktor is pretty close to getting a stable custom Rom running on his x10, even if its not through a cracked bootloader.
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Custom rom without a cracked bootloader? That's just cool.
I'm intending to learn more about the x10 bootloader and ROMs to see what I can do with it, as soon as I can find some extra time to do so.
Its possible with a lot of work but the problem you would have is that a lot of the new features require the performance gains from the new OS and so although it would work it would be painfully slow.
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Its possible with a lot of work but the problem you would have is that a lot of the new features require the performance gains from the new OS and so although it would work it would be painfully slow.
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Hmm, I was thinking.. If the Dalvik VM from Froyo could be backported over to Eclair, along with some of the other performance improvements, it might be worth a shot, depending on how deep into the kernel these functionalities are. However, I do understand that whether that is possible remains a spectaculation at least until the Eclair update is officially out.
Dalvik VM was already backported for 2.1
True in theory it will work But to load on something like that will we need the custom rom ability? or is it something we could ADB Push onto the handset?
drdownload said:
Dalvik VM was already backported for 2.1
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Just to clarify, do you mean Dalvik VM in general, or the Android 2.2 version with JIT and other optimizations?
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True in theory it will work But to load on something like that will we need the custom rom ability? or is it something we could ADB Push onto the handset?
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If it requires custom ROM, then the purpose is defeated. I wonder if some of the system files can actually be modified with su access (possible in Linux), and still get loaded by the bootloader.
the 2.2 dalvik vm with jit was backported - search for frozen eclair:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=722083
Awesome, that's something for me to look into.
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Awesome, that's something for me to look into.
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As far as I know, you need deodexed rom to use that... Sorry
I *think* I came across an x10 deodexer on the forums, no?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7128772&postcount=8
wut we can do now is crack the Rom of the Xperia Arc, and installed on X10 'cause it has (i thing) the same keys to open and permit to install on the bootloader change and use it on X10 so lets just wait until Arc apears for customers
Hey Guys,
I have a wild idea and wanted to share the idea.
I was looking through quite a lot of bootloaders and I think we can use the wildfire bootloader and flash it on to our device. The thing is we might be able to intercept SEUS update and swap the wildfire bootloader into our device. I know what you are thinking how could the wildfire bootloader be any good to us? Well the thing it is compiled in ARMv6 as well as there still is the chance the configuration for the bootloader is stored onto flash. most bootloaders on ARM devices are configured via an JTAG board and create a configuration within the flash above bootloader code. usually this is exactly the same jump on all arm bootloaders. Developers later pull the first 1 MB or 2 MB of the nand and make this the bootloader image. which include configuration as well as the bootloader itself.
The trick would be to only flash bootloader from wildfire and leave configuration alone hoping it does the same jump to configuration as the seus does (which in fact is most likely)
So once the wildfire bootloader is ported and SE configuration is in there I think we should be able to flash it. The only thing that still could prevent is that bootloader is also checking if the new bootloader is signed by SE.
What do you guys think of this approach?
Im not a pro on Modding but i think it may work.
flashing only the boot loader will be a dificult thing.
and you may want to try to crack a sign... (yes it seems strange)
but think with me if you could make a clone of the SE sertificates and put it on the wild fire boot loader
you have a crackerd boot loader
BTW
Good luck.
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Hey Guys,
I have a wild idea and wanted to share the idea.
I was looking through quite a lot of bootloaders and I think we can use the wildfire bootloader and flash it on to our device. The thing is we might be able to intercept SEUS update and swap the wildfire bootloader into our device. I know what you are thinking how could the wildfire bootloader be any good to us? Well the thing it is compiled in ARMv6 as well as there still is the chance the configuration for the bootloader is stored onto flash. most bootloaders on ARM devices are configured via an JTAG board and create a configuration within the flash above bootloader code. usually this is exactly the same jump on all arm bootloaders. Developers later pull the first 1 MB or 2 MB of the nand and make this the bootloader image. which include configuration as well as the bootloader itself.
The trick would be to only flash bootloader from wildfire and leave configuration alone hoping it does the same jump to configuration as the seus does (which in fact is most likely)
So once the wildfire bootloader is ported and SE configuration is in there I think we should be able to flash it. The only thing that still could prevent is that bootloader is also checking if the new bootloader is signed by SE.
What do you guys think of this approach?
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i don't think wildfire got a s1 bootloader right?
can't, I read in the x10 thread that this method will not work because the SE bootloader has its own security code(that's what they want to crack). Basically if you swap the wildfire bootloader, the phone won't boot up because it will reject the code.
Geohot has bought an x10 a few days ago to crack the bootloader (I think)... so maybe it can provide useful information if he manages it.
wow... great... idea!
Let's do that!
Let's flash booloader from MSM7225 chipset without SAKE enabled, to MSM7227 chipset with SAKE enabled chipset. Lets burn our chipsets ... Who is with me? Come on guys!
Chumby_666 said:
Let's do that!
Let's flash booloader from MSM7225 chipset without SAKE enabled, to MSM7227 chipset with SAKE enabled chipset. Lets burn our chipsets ... Who is with me? Come on guys!
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sorry but will tht really burn the chipset???
newtron_b1 said:
sorry but will tht really burn the chipset???
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well as the title said different approach.. that would be his approach haha ... lol it wont burn your chipset.
Biodegradable said:
well as the title said different approach.. that would be his approach haha ... lol it wont burn your chipset.
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huff.. thanx.. i saw read smwhr abt boosting the CPU to 1.9GHz i know that device might be having cracked bootloader! but is that possible!! and really want some speed to this device! atleast 200Mhz more..!
Chumby_666 said:
Let's do that!
Let's flash booloader from MSM7225 chipset without SAKE enabled, to MSM7227 chipset with SAKE enabled chipset. Lets burn our chipsets ... Who is with me? Come on guys!
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damn i didnt check that you are actually right. I thought both were the same chipset
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I somehow noticed that ZTE Blade has almost the same configuration with X10 mini pro...
Cpu: Qualcomm msm 7227 with ARM1136EJ-S cpu core on both devices
Adreno 200 graphics on both devices...
and many other similarities between them...
Info found on pdadb. net
Perhaps you could experiment with that...
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heh... isnt Geohot being sued by Sony?
morning_wood said:
heh... isnt Geohot being sued by Sony?
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Yup, but he won't get sued because of hacking the phone. It's legal to mod your phone where he lived (United States) And beside with donations of his loyal fan, he had managed to put Sony at bay for now.
You sirs should take a look @ X10 forums, they already cracked Bootloader :O
D4rKn3sSyS said:
You sirs should take a look @ X10 forums, they already cracked Bootloader :O
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and you sir!
should take a look date the date of the first post of this topic
when this topic was opend they didn't bypass the kernel
not even with bin4ry his files
owain94 said:
and you sir!
should take a look date the date of the first post of this topic
when this topic was opend they didn't bypass the kernel
not even with bin4ry his files
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yah i know , just saying that they bypassed bootloader ! owain we all trust you !
Divr said:
can't, I read in the x10 thread that this method will not work because the SE bootloader has its own security code(that's what they want to crack). Basically if you swap the wildfire bootloader, the phone won't boot up because it will reject the code.
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Someone has tried with data interrogation? Some CPU's check security codes a bit at a time. (RFID is notorious for this) You feed the possible code to them changing a bit at a time checking which clock cycle the CPU stops checking at thus which bit is wrong. Toggle the bit and repeat until you have the code.
(or we could read the entire thread before posting, sorry my bad)
I am sorry to resurrect this post, but I would really like to ask one small question. Has the bootloader been cracked?
It's been a while since I came here, and now I see true dual touch, and I wonder, has it been cracked?
From what I understand, we have custom ROMs, OC and undervolting possibility and now dual touch. Is there anything we can't do with this phone?
Thanks all for your help.
Johev said:
I am sorry to resurrect this post, but I would really like to ask one small question. Has the bootloader been cracked?
It's been a while since I came here, and now I see true dual touch, and I wonder, has it been cracked?
From what I understand, we have custom ROMs, OC and undervolting possibility and now dual touch. Is there anything we can't do with this phone?
Thanks all for your help.
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The bootloader has not been cracked, but it has been bypassed. There is now a method to boot a 2nd kernel over the running one. But as far as I can tell, the devs are having trouble locating the root partition. (correct me if I am wrong)
+1 thank for the information. Well I still hope that someone is able to get the bootloader cracked, but at least this way some cool things came for the phone.
Hi,
I read that the original firmware of the Samsung Galaxy nexus has benn released here.
Can this be usefull to coock something for our Razr?
thanks
I hope the ICS stock room
In my razr
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No it dosn't help.
What helps is the source which have been out for a while now.
But before we can use the source to do anything we need to unlock the bootloader. And I think everyone is waiting for Motorolas ICS as the bootloader will be unlocked.
pajn said:
No it dosn't help.
What helps is the source which have been out for a while now.
But before we can use the source to do anything we need to unlock the bootloader. And I think everyone is waiting for Motorolas ICS as the bootloader will be unlocked.
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Locked bootloader ONLY prevents custom kernels. You can still root, rom, and overclock with the bootloader locked. Not that big of deal.
jcutter347 said:
Locked bootloader ONLY prevents custom kernels. You can still root, rom, and overclock with the bootloader locked. Not that big of deal.
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But a rom without a custom kernel is pretty worthless. Some apps and settings you easily could change yourself.
CM7 and MIUI both uses custom kernels.
Maybe we could get AOSP booting on Motorolas kernel but I guess it would be easier to do that with a custom.
Overclock can be done with a kernel module, but it would be better to do that in the kernel itself as we wouldn't have to see so the module is loaded all the time.
Rooting isn't very fun, it is like a jailbreaked iPhone. How much does it help to get out of you cell if your still trapped inside the prison wall.
pajn said:
But a rom without a custom kernel is pretty worthless. Some apps and settings you easily could change yourself.
CM7 and MIUI both uses custom kernels.
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Um no, have you ever dropped by the Droid X section?
Hey,I'm New to Galaxy Nexus,Can Anyone tell how can i flash Firmware on my Galaxy Nexus,Also I'm Not using Linux.So Pls help me
pajn said:
But a rom without a custom kernel is pretty worthless. Some apps and settings you easily could change yourself.
CM7 and MIUI both uses custom kernels.
Maybe we could get AOSP booting on Motorolas kernel but I guess it would be easier to do that with a custom.
Overclock can be done with a kernel module, but it would be better to do that in the kernel itself as we wouldn't have to see so the module is loaded all the time.
Rooting isn't very fun, it is like a jailbreaked iPhone. How much does it help to get out of you cell if your still trapped inside the prison wall.
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That's totally wrong.
I've owned a Droid 2 Global with a locked Bootloader, with CM7 loaded on top through an AOSP ROM, which completely changed the phone.
With a 2nd-init, you can load any custom ROM you want, which basically circumvents the locked bootloader, and allows the phone to be just as open as an unlocked bootloader.
My Mom even owns a Droid X, and has CM7 loaded on her phone, and I had to give her instructions on how to do that over IM. She did it in 20 minutes, and now loads updates on her own without my help. She's 60+ years old.
She even taught my Dad, who's probably one of the least tech savvy people on the planet, how to do the same on his phone.
Rooting is such an easy process these days, and I have my RAZR rooted, and running like a charm completely unbloated, and have ZERO issues at all.
I'm waiting for the first DroidTh3ory ICS release, and I'll be flashing immediately over to that when it's available.
Locked bootloaders, while fun to debate about the policy and the legality of the situation, are really not that important at all.
In fact, I would even argue, that having a locked bootloader, if you have the source code, is easier to work with than having an unlocked phone but no source code (HTC doesn't release there's) or have an unlocked bootloader but terrible dev support (Samsung is notorious for this).
Motorola actually has one of the better dev communities out there, because the source code makes it's so much easier to do a custom ROM.
I don't know where you got your theory on this, but it's not backed up by my real world experience.....
Hello, im using wolfbreaks gaming v6 rom in my x10. at first it was saving 172 ram with advance task killer but now that i installed some app it became slow. so i have several questions if anyone like u ans:
1. Is there any way/patch i can use to boost up my performance?
2. Does different Kernels makes phone faster? Ex: modFXP-DooMKernel-v04??
3. How do I know if my bootloader is locked or unlocked?
Ishan Sardar said:
Hello, im using wolfbreaks gaming v6 rom in my x10. at first it was saving 172 ram with advance task killer but now that i installed some app it became slow. so i have several questions if anyone like u ans:
1. Is there any way/patch i can use to boost up my performance?
2. Does different Kernels makes phone faster? Ex: modFXP-DooMKernel-v04??
3. How do I know if my bootloader is locked or unlocked?
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1. I can't answer that
2. Yes and no. If you use a custom kernel like dooms (my favorite) then you can use an app like CPU master or no frills CPU manager to overclock your CPU resulting in a faster but more likely to reboot randomly phone.
3. Um, I unlocked my bl as soon as it was refined to the point of being part of the x10 flashtool developed by androxyde I believe... Basically if you've unlocked it then its unlocked. If you haven't then its not unlocked. No x10 comes out of the factory with an unlocked bootloader. This is a recent development by our amazing devs.
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Ishan Sardar said:
Hello, im using wolfbreaks gaming v6 rom in my x10. at first it was saving 172 ram with advance task killer but now that i installed some app it became slow. so i have several questions if anyone like u ans:
1. Is there any way/patch i can use to boost up my performance?
2. Does different Kernels makes phone faster? Ex: modFXP-DooMKernel-v04??
3. How do I know if my bootloader is locked or unlocked?
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1. Don't use task killers... android is built to handle the ram on it's own. better off using some memory optimisations. your task killer could be slowing the phone down it's self...
Also FREE RAM is Wasted RAM. having huge amounts of ram free is counter productive on android. ( and we dont have that much to start with ) on my phone I hover around 55 - 70 mb free most of the time. and my phone is pretty snappy (for an x10) EDIT* ( to an extent you dont want to have no free ram )
there is no magic app that works for every one every phone is defferent.
Hope that helped a little ( prob just confused you more )
to sum up
Auto Task Killers + Android = Bad
Memory Optimisation + Android = Better
2. Some Kernels are overclock and use different cpu governers to get better responsiveness. My personel Favourite is MinMax ( dooms kernels have it )
if you already have a kernel consider updating as they get better with newer versions
you can play around with setcpu to setup the best freqs/governers for you.
3. to check you bootloader i think there is a tool in the bootloader unlock thread you plug in and run it and it tells you.
but if you unlocked it then it is still unlocked. if not then it is not unlock is permanent.
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Pvy.
pvyParts said:
unlock is permanent.
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Actually, you can relock it... But not via flashtool.
Frosty666 said:
Actually, you can relock it... But not via flashtool.
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yeah i more meant that it wont magicaly relock although i couldn't bring myself to relock i dont think
Pvy.
thanks guys for all ur help & thanks @pvyParts for confusing me....i was ok till "Auto Task Killers + Android = Bad" but then u had to say "Memory Optimisation + Android = Better" and now here I am scraching my head thinkin how do i optimize memory???
Hey
1. I dont know
2. Yeah they make hell of a difference i uae freekernel and its rocking
3. Reboot your phone and if you ser the sony Ericsson logo it means its locked .
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shahkam said:
3. Reboot your phone and if you ser the sony Ericsson logo it means its locked .
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That just tells you that you have a custom kernel installed. You can have an unlocked bootloader and still have the stock kernel.
I know everyone was *****ing about Motorola Verizon keeping the bootloader locked on the RAZR.
Well now that I have used/flashed/installed custom ROMs I like it.
Several brilliant Devs have overcome the "problem" (Safestrap and BMM, et al) and we can load custom ROMs and even multiple ROMs for multi-boot operating systems.
And, short of a hardware failure, we still have the ability to restore to factory image if something goes awry while we are playing with our phones.
Feels like troll bait.
Not trolling. Serial question. Bootloader is locked and anything that anybody wants to do to the phone can be done.
I too, don't understand. Isn't a locked bootloader supposed to prevent custom ROMs? I don't own this device, but I may plan to, so I want to know whether to avoid it or not...
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I too, don't understand. Isn't a locked bootloader supposed to prevent custom ROMs? I don't own this device, but I may plan to, so I want to know whether to avoid it or not...
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you can run custom ROMs even though the bootloader is locked. I am running two custom ROMs.
That's why I am asking what the BFD is.
NO custom kernels. If we had an unlocked BL then problems like camera, bluetooth, screen rotation could be fixed much faster. Now all the devs are doing is using motorolas kernel 3.0.8 and no one is using kexec (dont ask my why...)
There is no posibility for a custom kernel.
Have you tried any CM10 rom?
Sure its fast at the beginning, but in dayli use, with dozens of apps. It is slower than stock.
All roms that are not stock based will have some extra lag besides all the bugs. Because of problems with the libraries in the kernel.
Also, the jpeg compression, 120fps recording and all those wonders aren't available because of the kernel limits...
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NO custom kernels.
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Olao99 said:
There is no posibility for a custom kernel.
Have you tried any CM10 rom?
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Thanks for the answers guys. That is why I asked. It also answers why the CM10 roms I have tried also have BT, camera, and screen rotation problems. Two birds with one stone!!
The Razr Developer Edition has the unlocked bootloader. Can the devs find a way to unlock the bootloader of the normal Droid Razr if they'll have this phone?
well, thanks to the big guys.
but i am still dreaming an unlocked bootloader for a much more easier way to flash roms and other changes like recovery and radio
maybe it is not suitable for me to buy moto phones