Well as many of you guys know, the DROID3 is about to be released and I have been thinking...
The DROID2 came out roughly the same time as the DROIDX. Both phones use the same exploit to get into custom recovery to allow custom ROMs, etc.That being said, do you think the release of the DROID3 would be able to aid in the development of the X2?
I haven't done too much research on the subject yet but I think if devs get a hand on both phones, work could be sped up a bit.
Only a thought.
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Well... since moto seems to be following HTC's open loader cue you might get lucky! Then again it's not the tegra set like the X2 and Atrix so it might have a completely different loader by default.
I say X2 if you want the graphics power since I think it's better atm and development should begin soon.
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Plus the Droid 3 uses 2.3 while DroidX2 uses 2.2.
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How many of you guys came from the original X? I had/have a issue with my current X and I've been told to probably expect the X2 if I get a replacement. I guess I'm asking is it that bad? Should I wait until I can afford a new phone out of contract?
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Zaf9670 said:
Well... since moto seems to be following HTC's open loader cue you might get lucky! Then again it's not the tegra set like the X2 and Atrix so it might have a completely different loader by default.
I say X2 if you want the graphics power since I think it's better atm and development should begin soon.
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It is tegra set
Droid 3 is TI not Tegra.
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Droid x vs eris.. any thought among my fellows .. fellows is a funny word. I know about the thunder bolt.. btw.
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Well I've played around with Droid x a lot rooted a buddies for him and install liberty rom Im pretty sure Droid x isn't supported by cm7 so if you like cm7 your out of luck. I'd rather have Druid x over Eris for the memory speed and ram. But I'd rather stick with HTC. I don't jnie what I'm going to do with more then 50mbs of ram extra when I get a upgrade in November haha. But luckily we have get devs to keep the Eris running smooth and kepping up with the times with 2.3
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Yeah. Love Eris Dev ppl. I'm running liberty now. And no cm7. But would like this raw power and cram it in an Eris problally the perfect phone ty for the feed back its a little disconcerting going to a new forum. Even after the 1.5 years with an Eris.
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Can anyone confirm this? I was trying to programatically determine the number of processors using sysconf(_SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN), but that returns 1. So I looked at /proc/stat and only cpu0 is listed.
i was also wondering that because in system info after running quadrant it says that the cpu has 1 core
If I understand correctly, Froyo can only use a single core. We will have to wait until Gingerbread or a custom ROM to unleash the beast!!
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If I understand correctly, Froyo can only use a single core.
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This is what I was thinking. It's a bit disappointing since I bought the phone (full price) specifically for testing on a multi-core device.
correct 2.2 isnt written for multicore devices
If this is the case, what is it about this new SOC that doubles the quadrant score of my OG Droid running at 1.25Ghz? I understand old tech vs. new tech, but thats a huge leap on a single core.
More importantly, why release a phone that is unable to use its hardware? Especially considering there is mature software out there capable of harnessing it.
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Cough cough Motorola....
falconfan101 said:
Cough cough Motorola....
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True...
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rendomatt said:
If this is the case, what is it about this new SOC that doubles the quadrant score of my OG Droid running at 1.25Ghz? I understand old tech vs. new tech, but thats a huge leap on a single core.
More importantly, why release a phone that is unable to use its hardware? Especially considering there is mature software out there capable of harnessing it.
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Same thing for the Xoom........
floridatank said:
Same thing for the Xoom........
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The Xoom runs 3.0 (3.1?) though, so it should use both cores... Shouldn't it?
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rendomatt said:
More importantly, why release a phone that is unable to use its hardware? Especially considering there is mature software out there capable of harnessing it.
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I can't speak for the manufacturer but I chose this device because I feel it is least likely to get left behind. I find comfort in the fact that this phone will be relevant for at least five years or until 3g networks are phases out.
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This is a tired discussion, and one that has been discussed ad nauseum on other dual-core phone threads.
Android 2.2 is capable of using multiple cores at the OS level. Android 2.3 and 2.4 further the support by adding multi-core garbage collection and file system, etc. As with any multithreaded OS, for a specific APP to support multicore it has to be programmed as such.
There are many resources you can google to get more info on this. Here is one that explains it in a fairly straight forward way:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/lg-optimus-2x-nvidia-tegra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/7
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SciReal said:
I can't speak for the manufacturer but I chose this device because I feel it is least likely to get left behind. I find comfort in the fact that this phone will be relevant for at least five years or until 3g networks are phases out.
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I'm happy with the device, and didnt have a problem signing a new contact to get it.
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Moved to proper forum.
After further investigation, it appears that the second core is only brought onlne when needed, which makes sense. However, it brings me back to my original problem which is how do I determine programatically (in native code) the number of available processors?
BTW Mr. Clown, this is the reason that I posted this in the programming forum.
I know this sounds dumb but some say that this phone is set for failure due to it not having a unlock bootloader well what if we start a petition and let Motorola know what we want?
I'm just saying this because I see some people say is development going to pick up or not or some say well this other phone is better because now it's unlocked ...
With that said in a short time I have come to realize that it takes time and well I remember that a petition worked for another phone.
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IM IN
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The phone has been out for less than two weeks and people are already acting like the phone is headed towards failure because of the bootloader and a couple of minor issues that Motorola is working on.
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The phone has been out for less than two weeks and people are already acting like the phone is headed towards failure because of the bootloader and a couple of minor issues that Motorola is working on.
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Yea I agree with you.
And that's why instead of seeing more people complaining about it then how bout the try to do something about it and well a petition was my suggestion.
And like I said I read a article in engadget were owners of this one phone all made a petition and the manufacturer responded to them.
I want to say it was for the Motorola X... But not sure...
And while on the topic anyone know how to start a cyber petition?
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Some reading for thought.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
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flash_c4 said:
Some reading for thought.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
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Ok so yea we may just be a small fish is the ocean that's the web but hey it worked for some.
BTW found part 2 of the article I was talking about and it was for a Motorola but they didn't exactly unlocked the boot loader in the end.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...e-android-phones/&category=classic&postPage=1
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I think that as processing power and overall I/O performance continues to increase with smartphones, the hypervisor idea that VMware is developing has the potential to be a game changer. I've been using VMware in some form since the early stages and at first it was limited by the current hardware technology at that time. As hardware specifications got better, so did the product. Now I couldn't imagine not having it in my data center. With a platform like this on a smartphone it would do several things. It would allow someone to easily run their own custom OS without modifying the "factory install " but more importantly it could provide one standardized hardware platform no matter what the underlying hardware configuration was. I would love to be able to develop one ROM that would run on 10 different devices without any additional modifications needed. That is my perfect world and with VMware and the performance potential of the dual core processors I think you are going to be seeing some real game changing technology over the next few years.
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flash_c4 said:
Some reading for thought.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
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While that is a good read, I do believe the online/social blitz petitions was quite helpful in regards to HTC to unlocing their bootloader, or at least in them responding to the development community and creating that HTC Dev site that would facilitate those wanted to unlock their devices.
Even though Motorola is not HTC, I do hope that Moto does listen and make it happen.
TS out
Petition for Motorola to unlock bootloader- created Mar'11- so far 10,000+ signatures.
Motorola Locked/Encrypted Bootloader Policy
came from a fascinate compliments of Verizon
fascinate has a better looking screen and better camera.
what did u come from??
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I came from the fascinate too. Switched over cuz of constant missed calls. I really liked the phone & the dev community but I pay too much per month for just a screen & camera that can't receive calls. So far the x2 has fulfilled all my major & many of my minor requirements for a smartphone AND people can reach me when they call me so it's all good. And I actually prefer blur over touchwiz.
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I came from an htc touch pro II (Rhodium) WM 6.5.3 phone.. it wad a nightmare and a half.
OG Droid. Miss it at times...
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Droid x...
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garywojdan81 said:
I came from the fascinate too. Switched over cuz of constant missed calls. I really liked the phone & the dev community but I pay too much per month for just a screen & camera that can't receive calls. So far the x2 has fulfilled all my major & many of my minor requirements for a smartphone AND people can reach me when they call me so it's all good. And I actually prefer blur over touchwiz.
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They have recently released an update about same time as gb for x2 to fix that missed call/text issue and other bugs. My sister was talking about her misses yesterday when I remember hearing about the update. Told her how to check for em and presto no more missed call or text. She doesn't mod her phone at all and lived it except for that problem that is no more.
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They have recently released an update about same time as gb for x2 to fix that missed call/text issue and other bugs. My sister was talking about her misses yesterday when I remember hearing about the update. Told her how to check for em and presto no more missed call or text. She doesn't mod her phone at all and lived it except for that problem that is no more.
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Yeah, it supposedly fixed it but according to the forum it still continues for most people so I'm glad I made the switch.
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mistawolfe said:
OG Droid. Miss it at times...
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Same here. I miss modding and the better (though smaller) screen.
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How is the DROID 1 screen better?
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Kanibull said:
How is the DROID 1 screen better?
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Have you seen the horrendous ghosting the droid x2 does? Such a pos screen. I kinda regret coming from the tbolt by choice at times. It has cm7 and a flashable unlocked bootloader.
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ilovesoad said:
Have you seen the horrendous ghosting the droid x2 does?
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No
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Coming from samoled, everything else lacks in some areas. But this isn't as bad as it's made out to be. My brother-in-law has an evo & this blows it out of the water. If you want screen, buy screen; if you want phone, buy this.
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Went from a Samsung Omnia to the X2. Loving every minute of it. I lurked in the Modaco Omnia forums forever.
I came from a fascinate and love it before that the og DROID and before that the omnia, moto q, and bb pearl. Hoping the development community for the x2 grows I want cm7
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I came from a migo. So its a BIG step up!!!! Haha
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Came from a Fascinate. Absolutely loved all of the Roms ans everything for that phone. This Droid X2 is pretty awesome. I like it a lot more than the Fascinate. It's much much faster in my opinion. AND we have gingerbread. It took forever for us to get Froyo on our fascinates. Still miss the SuperAMOLED screen, but this one is just fine. The battery lasts a lot longer on this phone, plus I actually get service where I never could on the fascinate. So its definitely a step up, in my opinion.
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this phone would be killer if it had the fascinate screen and better camera and video ..my only complaint, rather suggestions
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Came from LG Ally. Had a Droid X for a week then traded it in for an X2. Screen is awesome! Battery too! haters be hatin lol. But I understand why people dont like the screen, just not an issue for me. I dont know what all this talk of "ghosting" is about tho. What is ghosting anyway?
Came from a Palm Pre, Only thing i miss is that portrait keyboard and WebOS multitasking....oh and overclocking. Got the Droid X2 after i took a river dip with it in my pocket.
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I came from an htc touch pro II (Rhodium) WM 6.5.3 phone.. it wad a nightmare and a half.
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Wow, me too. I had to double check to make sure I wasn't reading my own post. I enjoyed the Touch Pro II, but this is so much better.
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Could there be any way to run tge webtop 3.0 ui on the actual phone screen itself? That would make the dpi problems go away
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Theres an app called nebtop but i havent tried it yet. So tempting, let me know if that works for you.
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Nebtop is for webtop 2.0 and it just allows you to use webtop on non lapdocks with an hdmi cord. Im talking about running the actual webtop 3.0 on the phone screen itself, not mirroring it to an external display. Doing so would give the effect of a tablet ui on your phone.
Thank you for the response though
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jahciple said:
Theres an app called nebtop but i havent tried it yet. So tempting, let me know if that works for you.
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For Webtop 3.0 you don't need anything, just plug into HDMI and select Webtop.
@pyroemaniac: isn't DPI have to do with the screen itself and not the UI? and wouldn't running the tablet UI on the phone itself be kinda hard to use
If you lower your dpi in the build.prop you can force ics to go into "tablet" mode but it distorts ui elements and causes instability. With webtop at the right resolution on the phone screen i think could be usable and would eliminate the problems mentioned above with changing the dpi.
Plus i just think it would be cool to use the tablet netflix and other apps on my phone
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you actually have the best idea I've seen in months! I wish I had the time to write an app to do this!
Yeah i thought it was a pretty good idea, i just don't know if its possible.
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You could try installing safestrap, back up everything, then flash the Web top to the safe system then booting into it. I'm not totally sure about it, but I believe safestrap uses the Web top partition to load a custom ram disk on top of our existing kernel as a way to boot custom roms with a locked boot loader. Though, I would believe that the Web top would need some small tweaking to run correctly, for input, not sure the touch screen drivers would be included... Etc. But if it could be done i wonder with some additional tweaks if we could build a fully functional ubuntu rom...
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Here's something I found for the Atrix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980193
My think is that it should be able to run as an application almost. I unhooked my phone from my hdmi cord one and my phone kept kept the webtop ui on my screen for about 10 seconds and i was able to control it.. though it was laggy
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jahciple said:
Here's something I found for the Atrix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980193
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Isn't this essentially our nebtop?
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He is basiclly talking a rom or a launcher with the looks of tablet mode, but on the cellphone screen without connecting anything, something like paranoid android rom we have on samsung galaxy note, i personally tried it on a note and its pretty good, would be cool for Razr.
In a way yes, but what i am talking about is we actually use the webtop software thats already installed on our device. If there was a way to open it like an application that would switch us over to tablet mode "webtop" and when you want to go back to phone mode you just use the same app to switch back.
I think that makes sense haha
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pyroemaniac said:
In a way yes, but what i am talking about is we actually use the webtop software thats already installed on our device. If there was a way to open it like an application that would switch us over to tablet mode "webtop" and when you want to go back to phone mode you just use the same app to switch back.
I think that makes sense haha
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All we need is a toggle button to flip one bit. The question though is which bit. Perhaps this thread would garner more serious response if posted in the dev section?
I was going to post the idea in the dev section, but people have a tendency to ***** at you if its not an actual product that your posting.
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I was going to post the idea in the dev section, but people have a tendency to ***** at you if its not an actual product that your posting.
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I totally understand that, and you probably WILL get *****ed at, but maybe one dev will think "great idea & i think i know how to do that." Go ahead and clearly post there exactly what you are talking about. Who knows, we could have that toggle by tomorrow &i bet it would get a LOT of press as it would be a whole new interface for Android phones!
This thread is a little old, but I recently acquired a Razr with a bad ESN and cracked but still working screen to use as a HDMI attached media device. Webtop was giving me a few issues, refusing to switch to tablet mode sometimes, so I decided to see if the dpi could be changed to force it into an always tablet mode.
Using a backup of the stock 4.1.2 ROM in Safestrap slot 1, I changed the DPI to 120 and it seems to be working well, apps still show as compatible in Google Play. I'm using Holo Launcher HD and had to switch some settings to get icons looking right.
Here is what 120DPI looks like if anyone is interested.