I apologize now for the long explanation but feel the info is needed.
I had a replacement phone in March so I could root and after that all was good, I finally in May got frustrated with my lead bunker of a house and no cell signal so I got a Verizon Network Range Extender (Samsung). After I got it and a week of getting it working right my cell signal hasn't been the same, I know the bar graph isn't an accurate representation of the signal so I was watching the Db levels and the fact when I was in the middle of town in the open I had one or no bars and a -104 signal.
After Kaos and Conap got Froyo up and usable I tried using the ROM's but after a week the phone would be so unresponsive it would take literally 5 minutes to find a number and dial it. I would miss calls all the time and constantly would have to reboot. I was at first trying 768 on the OC but eventually stepped it down to 710. I have tried KaosFroyo V19-33 with no luck, each update I do has less and less time between flashing and when it becomes unresponsive. I have Tried CLEB 1.6-2.4 same thing. The only ROM that I can use with the best results is Plain_JaneT2 OC'd at 710.
I currently still have cell reception issues and sluggishness on most ROM's, I am on the current 4.27 radio and have formatted several times the SD card to start with a blank slate. I am not using swap or ext3 for AP2SD. I have unrooted and rerooted 2 times. This phone was pre legit 2.1 OTA.
Not sure what I did or what to do next to get it back in order
morphius2036 said:
I apologize now for the long explanation but feel the info is needed.
I had a replacement phone in March so I could root and after that all was good, I finally in May got frustrated with my lead bunker of a house and no cell signal so I got a Verizon Network Range Extender (Samsung). After I got it and a week of getting it working right my cell signal hasn't been the same, I know the bar graph isn't an accurate representation of the signal so I was watching the Db levels and the fact when I was in the middle of town in the open I had one or no bars and a -104 signal.
After Kaos and Conap got Froyo up and usable I tried using the ROM's but after a week the phone would be so unresponsive it would take literally 5 minutes to find a number and dial it. I would miss calls all the time and constantly would have to reboot. I was at first trying 768 on the OC but eventually stepped it down to 710. I have tried KaosFroyo V19-33 with no luck, each update I do has less and less time between flashing and when it becomes unresponsive. I have Tried CLEB 1.6-2.4 same thing. The only ROM that I can use with the best results is Plain_JaneT2 OC'd at 710.
I currently still have cell reception issues and sluggishness on most ROM's, I am on the current 4.27 radio and have formatted several times the SD card to start with a blank slate. I am not using swap or ext3 for AP2SD. I have unrooted and rerooted 2 times. This phone was pre legit 2.1 OTA.
Not sure what I did or what to do next to get it back in order
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i cant attest for the network extender but i have noticed if the rom has an overclocked kernal and i use setcpu it turns into a slugg real quick especially with autokiller installed. u might just try a rom and not overclock it and and uninstall autokiller that is if you have that..
Are you using the setcpu widget? That messes things up quite a lot. The degradation in performance is enough that you'll have to pull the battery waking up, even when you're overclocking to 768mhz.
No I never use that I just go on the hopes that the OC is working but I wasn't aware that the OC Kernel and the Autokiller was an issue. May give that a try.
Usually the sluggishness is there but not terribly bad but I am lazy after I flash a new rom and don't set up my screens or apps for a couple of days so that may be the reason there is a window of time that the performace isn't teribble and tollerable but as soon as I do a SetCPU it goes out the window.
Thanks for the advice, just wish you had something for my cell signal.
I don't know about the extender. But yeah don't use the widget. What settings do you use for SetCPU? You may want to call Verizon for the extender.
Ok so day 2 of CELB 2.6 and all is good I didn't go to SetCPU and I noticed when I put the Facebook widget on the screen things got somewhat slow so I took it off. Still have some slow response in the app drawer but that may be from my screen replacement. It is a Verizon screen not a third party but don't know.
As for signal I am just going to suck it up and wait till August and get a newer phone.
Thanks for all the ideas
I would remove setcpu altogether and maybe try a different rom just to be safe.
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I bought my phone cash, thinking that if I did I wouldn't have to get the 25 dollar per month internet, but the guy who I was dealing with on the phone trying to get the basic internet working was talking smack about "Why would someone NOT want 3g on their smartphone?!"
So I ask you guys, do you leave 3g on constantly, why or why not, and if you do what kind of battery life do you get? The 10 dollar internet never worked for me, and I rarely use 3g because of battery drain, just for tethering or big files, though I seem to have wifi around half the time anyways. EDIT: Also, what are you using, stock 2.1, 2.2, or a custom rom, and if a rom which one?
Personally I think the edge service is fast enough that I haven't really cared too much, I just wouldn't mind drawing on some other opinions and thoughts. Maybe I am one of the few smartphone owners who doesn't constantly play with my phone, but if I did I would want the battery to last long enough to play with it..
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Oh, and in advance, I rarely post here so I don't know if questions like this provoke flame wars or end up through the butterfly effect making small children in india cry themselves to sleep at night.. either way, no flaming please, just curious, thought it may be interesting, and thought it would be a fun thread
I use 3g 100% of the time, battery rocks. Usually 2 days to a charge, 1 if HEAVY use. Been over a day of good use, on 3g, and still at 33.
EDGE is probly fast enough but I get antsy when I have to wait for anything so that's why I use 3g.
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I have never once turned my 3g off. I average 1 day 6 hours of battery with moderate use, and have had nearly two days a few times.
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I always have my 3g on unless i'm some where where i have no signal. It's one of the key feature of the phone why turn it off?
I get any where from 15 to 25 hours depending on how heavily i use my phone.
Alot of the Vibrant community who have rooted devices and have settled into what will and wont kill your battery average between 15 hours to a full day plus. I myself see with 3g on about 15-17 hours.
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3G majority of the time (reception is what changes it to Edge) I get 12-14h battery life with "average" use (corp email set to pull every 30min reading emails ect)
Honestly, the only time I find that the network is draining the battery is when it is constantly trying to switch from "3G" to "Edge" or "Wifi" and back in bad coverage areas. If it's a reliable connection then it shouldn't really tax battery usage when idle.
About 16 hours with about 2-3 hour screen on time.. Several emails syncing plus facebook and twitter.. 100% hpsa coverage
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I'm always on edge when normal usage. I really have a bad 3g reception at my place plus my vibrant have a hardware defect just like the iphone 4.
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i do constantly , eats battery lol
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Honestly, the only time I find that the network is draining the battery is when it is constantly trying to switch from "3G" to "Edge" or "Wifi" and back in bad coverage areas. If it's a reliable connection then it shouldn't really tax battery usage when idle.
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I have noticed that also, alot of my job relies on me moving through very dense facilities and around the county. I lose a significant amount (7-10% an hour driving) where at home it sits 3-6% an hour drain.
I do not have a data plan like OP.
I have Wi-Fi in 80% of the places and time my phone is on. I keep the wi-fi on auto-connect and on all the time. Moderate to heavy usage-12-18 hours battery life.
Hmm, interesting replies and statistics so far, when I was in Daytona I think that I had significant drain because the 3g coverage was spotty at best, but I haven't tried keeping it on since I moved to jacksonville, where the coverage should be much better.
Question I wish I had asked in the original post, are you stock, if so 2.1 or 2.2, or do you use a rom, and if so which one? The guys claiming over 24 hours versus people getting 17.. quite a discrepancy, and I will bet this has something to do with it(besides just amount of use).
I am using 2.2 bionix V rom, and I get 18+ hours of use out of it on my heavier use days, though I think some corrupt files on my phone have gotten my mediaserver system process using tons of processor, killing my battery quicker. I am going to go ahead and keep it on 3g for a few days, and see what kind of difference it makes. Thanks for the feedback.
Tmobile's 3g coverage in jacksonville is pretty good.Heck I get almost 4g speeds here
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Hmm, interesting replies and statistics so far, when I was in Daytona I think that I had significant drain because the 3g coverage was spotty at best, but I haven't tried keeping it on since I moved to jacksonville, where the coverage should be much better.
Question I wish I had asked in the original post, are you stock, if so 2.1 or 2.2, or do you use a rom, and if so which one? The guys claiming over 24 hours versus people getting 17.. quite a discrepancy, and I will bet this has something to do with it(besides just amount of use).
I am using 2.2 bionix V rom, and I get 18+ hours of use out of it on my heavier use days, though I think some corrupt files on my phone have gotten my mediaserver system process using tons of processor, killing my battery quicker. I am going to go ahead and keep it on 3g for a few days, and see what kind of difference it makes. Thanks for the feedback.
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I'm on R10 rom and I keep the internet off if I'm not using it. Battery lasts about three times longer. Also charges up faster.
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OK, I can definitely say I love my thunderbolt, but I hate the battery life. I find myself using 4g lte about 5% of the time I use my phone. It seems to be the major thing always killing my battery. I've tried everything from undervolting to never turning up my screen brightness and still turning off the 4g lte is the best way to go. Which brings me to a thread I stumbled upon in the Eris forums for a 3g uncapper. My curiosity got me wondering, so I asked CondemnedSoul if this would work for the t-bolt so we could get a boost in speed without our 4g lte. Needless to say he made a test to try out on liquid 3.0......and it worked better than I hoped! I went from 400 kbps to1400 kbps on average, with it peaking at 2200 kbps. That's a big jump to say the least. And on other phones it was causing a force close of network settings which didn't happen on my t-bolt, and no issues with 4g or adverse affects on battery life.
So my question to you is would this interest anyone else? I have a test for liquid 3.0 if anyone wants to try it out.
When I lived in OKC, I was able to pull around 2000kbps on 3G on my stock rooted t-bolt, and sometimes about 1500kbps in ATL, so I'm not sure how much help this would be...
needless to say, I'm willing to give it a shot.
I'd be interested in this since my area doesn't have LTE yet so I just turned it off
Wow....I only got maybe up to 600 on a constant before I tried this. I also live in a smaller city. Maybe I'll try it on a different ROM before this becomes a actual mod thread, just to make sure that it did make a difference. But that's why I posted this here first to make sure it was gonna work, and also make sure people were interested before I start making them.
the speeds you're getting with your 'uncapping' trick is about what I used to get here before 4G went live.
oddly though, I found the 3G speeds on my Incredible 2 to go a bit faster then on my Thunderbolt.
After reading your comments regarding the speeds you got, I retested both with and without the mod, and now i'm not getting a difference. Why I was getting so low of speeds when I initially tested this I don't know. It would have been better had I researched the average 3g speed before testing (sorry for the newb mistake). So back to square one, but this should work eventually as it works on a lot of devices. I'm really glad I opened this q and a post first instead of rolling out a mod that didn't work.
I am trying to understand this phenomena.. I realize this is more of a philosophical topic than a technical topic, but its something I think about ever day when I read the forums and try to help people with stuff.
To start, my good friend, and my wife have rezounds. To be fair, my wife could care less about the ROM she is running, but, I like to keep her updated. My friend and I go back and forth about what rom is better, he likes Rrez rom, I like Cleanrom, but we flash back and forth.
Out of the 3 of us, We have never had any of the problems that I see other people having. Why?
We all (you guys too) have the same phones, we flash the same software, how is it that Joe gets 24 hours of battery life, flawlessly smooth performance, crystal clear reception.. while John gets an overheating battery, stuttering performance, unusable signal and 4 hours of battery life?
I continue to read posts from people complaining that this rom sucks or that rom sucks..
So.. is it the PERSON, the PHONE or...
maybe not all rezounds are the same inside, and maybe some software does not work with some versions of the phone. That seems pretty ridiculous though.
When I flash mine and my wife's phone, i usually "race" them to see who's is fastest (ya.. its stupid i know). But from the first power down, to wiping to flashing the rom. i press the buttons at the exact same time, and both phones complete the process at the exact same time, boot up in the exact same time..
you get the idea.
just to see if there are any differences, I did a clean flash of clean rom 4.1 on both phones, and let them sit with the screens on, full brightness for 1 hour. they BOTH drained to 83%.
These phones were purchased 3 months apart, and one from VZW and the other from Amazon.
my buddy has never had any of these problems either (his wife has a rezound, but she wont let him flash it)
none of us have had problems, why?
I am not trying to discount anyone's problems, obviously if your phone is overheating, its not something you are making up.. but why is it that YOUR phone heats up, yet mine doesn't
This is a real question, and I think it deserves some sort of analysis. A real answer could go a long way to helping people who are having problems others are not.
Case in point, people are complaining that the radios in the new leak suck. They are getting crappy reception and they regret updating.
i LOVE the new radios!!! i get AWESOME reception!!.
Right now im sitting at 17 hours with 30% left and I tethered my laptop at school for 3 hours while doing homework at school.
A few days ago, I let the battery die (didnt charge it overnight) and it charged over 60% in 30 min, it was awesome lol
60% in 30 minutes? on the new ICS firmware? it took me 1 hour and 20 minutes to go up from 14% to 70% today...
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60% in 30 minutes? on the new ICS firmware? it took me 1 hour and 20 minutes to go up from 14% to 70% today...
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trust me, I was just as surprised as you, I was sitting in lecture and it shut off on me. I went to study and plugged it in with the HTC charger and the supplied cable (i love that cable) while I read over some material, 30 min later I unplugged it and it was at 62%, I almost fell over lol
im on 4.1 with stock kernel. I flash my phone so much that I dont have **** installed on it (battery saver wise or whatever). It just a normal phone. I dont OC it, I dont run apps that close programs..just stock build
I've wondered the same thing. I'm somewhere in the middle here. I have some heat problems (can't charge and use a lot of mobile network, heavy games push me to 120-ish), my battery life kinda sucks (it's great, as long as I don't use it... but I get like 2 hrs screen on time). Overall though, it's not a terrible situation, and I still dig the phone.
But stories of 24 hour battery life and never seeing temps above 90 sound like tall tales to me.
I think some of it is that we all have our own interpretation of "moderate" use. I'd imagine some people think two hours of screen time is moderate use (a few facebook checks, some phone calls, and some email over the course of a day). To me it's extremely light... I'm at an hour+ by 10AM most days, 2 by the end of work, then I run with gps, play a game or two in the evening, and you get the idea.
I can't speak for those who have radio/ reception problems... but I've become pretty convinced that the other two main "issues" are mostly due to perception.
I think some of this may be location... if you are in an area where reception is spotty, your phone works harder to gain a connection, gets hotter doing it and uses more battery power.
I went from last Thursday to Monday morning with zero WiFi and the phone was using more power than my normal use, but the connection was solid, speeds were solid as well. I normally use WiFi most of the day because if I am at home or at work, I have a good solid WiFi signal and the phone uses less power (for me at least). My test over the weekend was a good test for me showing that while 4G was solid, if I have WiFi available I save battery power using it.
In general, I have rarely had issues with any phone that I use. Never had to replace one or return it for defects or any other reason. I am good to my equipment though, my Dinc still looks brand new and I got it pre-launch.
It's about 20% phone problems and 80% problems with the people. A good majority of people who flash and then complain are those who don't know what the heck they're doing. In the case of the new firmware, many didn't follow the directions to a T. They got a bad flash or a bad download. Then there are those who flash a new ROM and don't take the time to read everything before doing so. These are the 80% that are essentially complete morons. They do idiotic things that just can't be explained. These are the types of people who should either not be flashing ROMs or who should be using iPhones. In my opinion, if you don't read everything and then complain about something not working correctly, it's your fault.
That being said, there are phones that just suck straight from the factory. Some people who really know what they're doing have these phones and get bad results when running the new firmware and different ROMs. There are plenty of these people on here that have these issues. I feel bad for these people. I certainly don't feel bad for the other 80% who go into a thread and complain that the ROM sucks or something when it's completely their fault.
EDIT: And yes, much of the battery drain and temp problems can be blamed on location for those who have phones that just can't seem to grab a 4g signal for too long. I live in an area where my 4g is solid 99% of the time, so I have no issues. I was in an area about 2 hours south of where I live the other day, though, that had crap 4g signal. My phone definitely drained pretty quickly that day and did get a bit hot.
These are all good points. and actually I never considered location before,
And i thin you are right on with the perception. There has to be a way to standardize some of the stuff to rule out perception. So when people say "man i get crappy battery" We can say "well did you run the (insert standardized battery test) test? what was the result?"
say the test was something like leaving the screen on for 2 hours, starting with a full charge and in airplane mode to rule out reception. Theoretically, all phones with the same ROM and kernel should drain the same amount ..
It is also common for people to see a new mod/rom etc.. and rush to try it out without doing any prep for how they will recover if it doesn't work, how to go back, ramifications of the changes they make... checking first to see if others had problems with it first... etc.
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It is also common for people to see a new mod/rom etc.. and rush to try it out without doing any prep for how they will recover if it doesn't work, how to go back, ramifications of the changes they make... checking first to see if others had problems with it first... etc.
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Exactly. The "80%" problem in my post. People don't read. It's a shame.
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Exactly. The "80%" problem in my post. People don't read. It's a shame.
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lol, Rom devs should put in a system where new people are required to read the entire "read me" file along with flash instructions, and then answer a 20 question test and score at least 90% on it. Then, and ONLY then do they get the DL link After 10 or so times of doing this, the requirement would be lifted.
this idea makes me laugh..
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lol, Rom devs should put in a system where new people are required to read the entire "read me" file along with flash instructions, and then answer a 20 question test and score at least 90% on it. Then, and ONLY then do they get the DL link After 10 or so times of doing this, the requirement would be lifted.
this idea makes me laugh..
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Shouldn't make you laugh... it's a great idea!
Serinety said:
lol, Rom devs should put in a system where new people are required to read the entire "read me" file along with flash instructions, and then answer a 20 question test and score at least 90% on it. Then, and ONLY then do they get the DL link After 10 or so times of doing this, the requirement would be lifted.
this idea makes me laugh..
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Hahaha that's actually a really good idea lol I would change it to 95% or higher, though.
i know for a fact i'm not blaming it on the rom, or not reading right, or not flashing the firmware right.
i did everything right, and i'm 150% positive of that. thing is, when a rom runs great for the first 4 days or so, then out of nowehre i'm going from 18 hours of battery to 5 hours of battery, clearly there's an issue SOMEWHERE.
i'd love to blame it on verizon trying to push 4g here, but i run on wifi most of the time, so i don't think that's it.
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i know for a fact i'm not blaming it on the rom, or not reading right, or not flashing the firmware right.
i did everything right, and i'm 150% positive of that. thing is, when a rom runs great for the first 4 days or so, then out of nowehre i'm going from 18 hours of battery to 5 hours of battery, clearly there's an issue SOMEWHERE.
i'd love to blame it on verizon trying to push 4g here, but i run on wifi most of the time, so i don't think that's it.
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I've read your posts in the threads. I meant to put that in my post that you weren't one of the 80% I was talking about. I think yours is a case of the other 20%. Or it could be something to do with the firmware going all bonkers on you.
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I've read your posts in the threads. I meant to put that in my post that you weren't one of the 80% I was talking about. I think yours is a case of the other 20%. Or it could be something to do with the firmware going all bonkers on you.
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by the way, your sig is aweomse.
And yes, **** does happen sometime. but its usually clear from the way the post is written that the person was clueless.
posts usually start like this
"I tried searching but didnt find the answer...."
and then they ask how to flash the rom, or something else that has been covered 1000 times (you have to UPGRADE TO NEW LEAK FIRST)
yeah man, i really hope it's not! everything went smoothly...well, almost smoothly, i was one of the few where the phone froze on the white HTC screeen, and i did a batt pull, and when it rebooted, it began the second step of installation..but i have yet to have any force closes or anything. maybe i'm subconsciously using my phone more? i really don't think so. screen on time should pretty much help judge that, and it's not showing anything out of the ordinary...and better battery stats isn't showing any crazy up time..my awake time is like 39%..i mean, maybe the 4g issue is it? idk..like i said, i run wifi often, so that means mobile networks OFF...
then again, i'm running just 3g tonight ot see if 4g comes on again, and 3g keeps turning off, and switching to 1x..like, constantly...so they MUST still be doing something down here..
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by the way, your sig is aweomse.
And yes, **** does happen sometime. but its usually clear from the way the post is written that the person was clueless.
posts usually start like this
"I tried searching but didnt find the answer...."
and then they ask how to flash the rom, or something else that has been covered 1000 times (you have to UPGRADE TO NEW LEAK FIRST)
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Hahahahaha, that's a dead giveaway that they didn't really look lol.
And thanks If you click on my sig it'll take you to my thread to look at others I've done lately
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yeah man, i really hope it's not! everything went smoothly...well, almost smoothly, i was one of the few where the phone froze on the white HTC screeen, and i did a batt pull, and when it rebooted, it began the second step of installation..but i have yet to have any force closes or anything. maybe i'm subconsciously using my phone more? i really don't think so. screen on time should pretty much help judge that, and it's not showing anything out of the ordinary...and better battery stats isn't showing any crazy up time..my awake time is like 39%..i mean, maybe the 4g issue is it? idk..like i said, i run wifi often, so that means mobile networks OFF...
then again, i'm running just 3g tonight ot see if 4g comes on again, and 3g keeps turning off, and switching to 1x..like, constantly...so they MUST still be doing something down here..
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I got stuck also. Scared the hell out of me. But mine seems to have gone through the RUU perfectly and I've been getting insane battery life lately. Like at least a day every cycle on a stock 3.8v. It really could be a case of bad timing with the new firmware and Vzw updating 4g in your area that could be killing your battery. I hope you figure it out soon, though. That would be driving me insane.
you're running the RUU? i'm running joel's Bamf. works pretty well; i like ICS better, in general
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you're running the RUU? i'm running joel's Bamf. works pretty well; i like ICS better, in general
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Sorry, I meant I ran the leaked RUU and firmware and that's where I got stuck for a minute. But I'm on BAMF right now. I always run the latest BAMF.
Just wondering if the differences in the two are normal.
I owned a SGS2 for a long time, and the battery would sometimes be just awful. There were days when it would drain 1% on standby, and then days when it was like 5-7% on standby - which is pretty bad for not using the phone at all.
I finally gave up on non-nexus phones and got myself a gnex and its freaking awesome. On a typical day, i leave for work at 7, and get home at 3 with 70% left - with some use.
I switched back to my SGS2 to see if there was still a difference even when running a newer/better rom, and battery life still seems pretty bad. I was at my other job today, and my Gnex will usually drain 15% over 8 hours, today my SGS2 drained 70%
Is this normal? I have bbs and cpu spy installed, and will post results after work tomorrow if anyone is interested.
I was planning on giving this to my mom as her first smartphone (i thought the lower DPI would be better for her eyes), but now im thinking i should just sell this, and then use whatever i get to put towards a Gnex.
Next time man just post one thread regarding your questions and issue. No need to make one here and one in general. And to answer your question about battery life it depends what rom yer running and what apps u have installed. And I suppose how u use the phone as well, referring to whether u listen to tons of music or mainly for calling, either way good luck, happy flashing.
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Next time man just post one thread regarding your questions and issue. No need to make one here and one in general. And to answer your question about battery life it depends what rom yer running and what apps u have installed. And I suppose how u use the phone as well, referring to whether u listen to tons of music or mainly for calling, either way good luck, happy flashing.
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Identical everything with the exception that the SGS2 is AOKP, and the Gnex is paranoid android. When i installed AOKP on my SGS2, i literally sat there and made it so both phones look about identical - with the exception of rom specific things like the notification menu and stuff like that. Same apps, same settings, same homescreen setup, etc etc etc.
All things being equal - is the gnex that much better on battery life?