When is this going to be available? I'm sick and tired of having to go through MotoBlur and all those other ****ty AT&T apps. I just want a regular computer OS on a cellphone so that I can talk to people over skype via. wifi. Is that so hard to ask?
So, how can I go about this? Or is this still not available?
Still unavailable, unless you want a extremely unstable and slow rom, best bet right now is to flash gingerblur
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jimbojones69 said:
When is this going to be available? I'm sick and tired of having to go through MotoBlur and all those other ****ty AT&T apps. I just want a regular computer OS on a cellphone so that I can talk to people over skype via. wifi. Is that so hard to ask?
So, how can I go about this? Or is this still not available?
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Be ready as soon as you get it done!
If this phone doesn't offer it, which phone does?
jimbojones69 said:
If this phone doesn't offer it, which phone does?
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If you build it they will come. Otherwise get a different device or quit crying and ride it out.
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Ninja rom de-blurs and de-bloats.
xxgmon3yxx said:
Ninja rom de-blurs and de-bloats.
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It definately does not de-blur. Its just themed as aosp but the rest of blur is still there. Its goal is to become de-blurred but were far from that. Id say a few more weeks/ month or two.
I recommend cherryblur. I think it can provide what you're looking for. Upon loading it bypasses the MOTOBLUR setup process entirely and replaces the moto interface with LauncherPro, which is much more enjoyable to use. From there you can download SDK Stock App remover and Advanced Task Killer for complete control over what goes on under the hood of your phone. It may sound like a *****, but if you're a control freak when it comes to your personal devices like I am, it's well worth the effort.
Sent from my ATRIX running CherryBlur 1.2
http://www.expansys.com/motorola-atrix-207852/
Seems the SIM Free version is out in the UK. Does anyone own one and can get the Gingerbread rom for it? I'd like to have the atrix without the AT&T crap, but keep Motoblur... I'm from the UK so it would also be nice to have all the UK customisations and not US ones (e.g telephone no. spacing, en-GB language etc.)
One of the great things about open source is the hobbyist/developer side bringing us great enhancements and functionality for cheap or free. Then you have the ungrateful users like this are experts at *****ing, whining and demanding but not smart enough to go buy something like the nexus s or a phone that has had its bootloader unlocked more than a month and some development under its belt for awhile.
I voided my warranty.
jimbojones69 said:
If this phone doesn't offer it, which phone does?
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If you want it that bad, then grab the lower spec Motorola Milestone. If you need one with an 850 3G Band, then get the Telus Motorola Milestone.
Ironically I know someone who went from the Atrix to the Milestone for this purpose alone, and they are actually happier because of no Motoblur.
Then again if I didn't have my SGS, I might have entertained the idea of going back myself since I truly hate Motoblur as well... (my Atrix is sitting on the sidelines waiting for official CM7 or Vanilla)
Obscene Topiary said:
I recommend cherryblur. I think it can provide what you're looking for. Upon loading it bypasses the MOTOBLUR setup process entirely and replaces the moto interface with LauncherPro, which is much more enjoyable to use. From there you can download SDK Stock App remover and Advanced Task Killer for complete control over what goes on under the hood of your phone. It may sound like a *****, but if you're a control freak when it comes to your personal devices like I am, it's well worth the effort.
Sent from my ATRIX running CherryBlur 1.2
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IMHO Advanced Task Killer needs to be laid to rest since the days of Eclair.
Froyo changed everything, and ATK hasn't worked properly since Froyo came out.
I recommend using "System Panel" instead. It shows you everything running in the background. You can kill programs just like ATK if you really want, but more importantly you can find the repeat offending programs that keep popping up and freeze them in Titanium Backup...
+1
I am amazed at how many people still believe that ATK is a "must-have". It's such a gross misconception. Here is a thread that covers the topic quite comprehensively:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6426198
ccrows said:
IMHO Advanced Task Killer needs to be laid to rest since the days of Eclair.
Froyo changed everything, and ATK hasn't worked properly since Froyo came out.
I recommend using "System Panel" instead. It shows you everything running in the background. You can kill programs just like ATK if you really want, but more importantly you can find the repeat offending programs that keep popping up and freeze them in Titanium Backup...
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live4nyy said:
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I am amazed at how many people still believe that ATK is a "must-have". It's such a gross misconception. Here is a thread that covers the topic quite comprehensively:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6426198
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Exactly!
It blows my mind on how many people (even on other XDA boards) still suggest using 3rd party task killers.
There's no reason, especially with the Atrix, to use them anymore...
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Ok first off let me be clear. I have heard all the arguments on both sides of this issue, I have done my own research and I keep going back and forth.
What I am looking for is personal experience.
I want to know if you use one and do you think it helps.
I also want to know your experience if you don't.
Sent from my smokin fast vibrant.
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cjggilbert said:
Ok first off let me be clear. I have heard all the arguments on both sides of this issue, I have done my own research and I keep going back and forth.
What I am looking for is personal experience.
I want to know if you use one and do you think it helps.
I also want to know your experience if you don't.
Sent from my smokin fast vibrant.
Nero v4.1 + Dow
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I don't use one...
The built in task manager does the job for me.. the other ones seem to do more battery drainage than they claim to save....
Sent from my XDA app cuz I'm stalking your mom....
Not needed at all, ocassionally for a couple of apps you can use the task manager included, just to kill an app, but with stock it is not needed really
Interesting. I didn't realize there was ever any controversy about "Task Managers". I think that "Task Managers" and "Task Switchers" are fine and have a purpose. However, "Task (Auto) Killers"...that's an easy "No." for me. Sadly, I think people probably use all three of this phrases / designations interchangeably even thought they're definitely not the same and serve different purposes. So, they've all been demonized to a degree. The line is further blurred by apps that try to be all three.
Task Manager/ Killer
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Interesting. I didn't realize there was ever any controversy about "Task Managers". I think that "Task Managers" and "Task Switchers" are fine and have a purpose. However, "Task (Auto) Killers"...that's an easy "No." for me. Sadly, I think people probably use all three of this phrases / designations interchangeably even thought they're definitely not the same and serve different purposes. So, they've all been demonized to a degree. The line is further blurred by apps that try to be all three.
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OK my bad, you are absolutely right. What I am talking about is a "task killer".
My problem is that I keep going back to using one. I will delete it, then flash a new rom and after a few days install one like a bad crack addict. I know that I don't need it but I can't seem to help myself.
I used to be like you and now don't even use a taskiller. Maybe the addiction lies in pressing something that feels good to you like a slot machine at Vegas.
Just let yourself free and stop downloading any taskiller and just use the manager instead.
Apps that generate partial wake usage I wasn't planning on get removed or frozen. With this and common sense about app/widget sync intervals task killers become pointless.
the one that'd built with the vibrant really helps a lot for me. but 3rd party is a no no.
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I have some questions that might sound stupid, but I just rooted my first 2 phones over the last 2 days, so I'm definitely new at this and still don't know a lot about this.
I have a defective Thunderbolt (VERY frequent reboots caused by the May OTA update) that I got Verizon to replace with a Droid Charge. I rooted the Thunderbolt because I wanted to be able to do things with my phone that the manufacturers prevent you from otherwise doing (such as changing the font, installing new ROMs, etc). I need to send the Thunderbolt back to Verizon, but I still have it and figured this would be a good time to experiment with rooting.
Anyway, what I want to know is if there's a way to pull the HTC dialer, calendar, contacts & e-mail apps off of the Thunderbolt and put them on the Charge (and, have them actually work!), as I really like those apps. As I said, my Thunderbolt is rooted, and I found things on it like Calendar.apk, HtcContacts.apk, and HtcDialer.apk, but there are also other files with similar or related names. My Charge is rooted also, with a non-stock kernel (imnuts' PeanutButta Jelly Time) and a non-stock ROM (GummyCHARGED 1.8.5).
So, if anyone knows how to do this and could explain to me how to go about it, I'd REALLY appreciate it!
Thanks,
Dennis
You can try pulling some of the system apks from the system/app folder like the calender. Dialer might be a little more complicated, think that's something integrated in he framework or with sense . Know there are a lot of other installable dialer and keyboards out there so sure its possible
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dmw_4814 said:
I have some questions that might sound stupid, but I just rooted my first 2 phones over the last 2 days, so I'm definitely new at this and still don't know a lot about this.
I have a defective Thunderbolt (VERY frequent reboots caused by the May OTA update) that I got Verizon to replace with a Droid Charge. I rooted the Thunderbolt because I wanted to be able to do things with my phone that the manufacturers prevent you from otherwise doing (such as changing the font, installing new ROMs, etc). I need to send the Thunderbolt back to Verizon, but I still have it and figured this would be a good time to experiment with rooting.
Anyway, what I want to know is if there's a way to pull the HTC dialer, calendar, contacts & e-mail apps off of the Thunderbolt and put them on the Charge (and, have them actually work!), as I really like those apps. As I said, my Thunderbolt is rooted, and I found things on it like Calendar.apk, HtcContacts.apk, and HtcDialer.apk, but there are also other files with similar or related names. My Charge is rooted also, with a non-stock kernel (imnuts' PeanutButta Jelly Time) and a non-stock ROM (GummyCHARGED 1.8.5).
So, if anyone knows how to do this and could explain to me how to go about it, I'd REALLY appreciate it!
Thanks,
Dennis
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You can try to use titanium backup on your Thunderbolt to backup all user apps, system data, and system apps. Remove the Micro SD card. Insert your Micro SD card into the Droid Charge, and use Titanium backup to move certain apps that you would like to use. However, keep in mind that the stock HTC apps, may not work properly on a Droid Charge. ie, keyboard, tethering, etc. Hope this helps.
system apps are going to need the htc framework to run.
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In fact any sense related programs will just force close with sense framework. And sense framework cannot be ported or moved. Sorry man. But look at the bright side, you have a brand new plastic phone with the worst UI the world has ever seen, but you did get swipe preinstalled. Nice.
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system apps are going to need the htc framework to run.
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madroix said:
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In fact any sense related programs will just force close with sense framework. And sense framework cannot be ported or moved. Sorry man. But look at the bright side, you have a brand new plastic phone with the worst UI the world has ever seen, but you did get swipe preinstalled. Nice.
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He could get lucky and someone will make a port of sense for samsung phones like they did for touchwiz and non samsung phones. Until then, I'd say he's stuck.
madroix said:
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In fact any sense related programs will just force close with sense framework. And sense framework cannot be ported or moved. Sorry man. But look at the bright side, you have a brand new plastic phone with the worst UI the world has ever seen, but you did get swipe preinstalled. Nice.
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No, maybe you should read my ENTIRE post before commenting! Actually I have a new plastic phone, but I do NOT have the worst UI the world has ever seen, since I rooted it and installed a custom ROM! GummyCHARGED 1.8.5 installs an interface that is the closest to a stock Android install that I've ever seen (Google branded phones excepted, as I've no experience with them). That Samsung TouchWiz interface is a MAJOR reason why I rooted the phone in the first place!
At least my new plastic phone doesn't reboot 8-10 times a day, including right in the middle of phone calls!
Dennis
dmw_4814 said:
No, maybe you should read my ENTIRE post before commenting! Actually I have a new plastic phone, but I do NOT have the worst UI the world has ever seen, since I rooted it and installed a custom ROM! GummyCHARGED 1.8.5 installs an interface that is the closest to a stock Android install that I've ever seen (Google branded phones excepted, as I've no experience with them). That Samsung TouchWiz interface is a MAJOR reason why I rooted the phone in the first place!
At least my new plastic phone doesn't reboot 8-10 times a day, including right in the middle of phone calls!
Dennis
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Here's an alternative, maybe post this in the Charge section of the forums, as I doubt very many people in the Thunderbolt section are fond of the Charge or would be able to help you mod it. Just saying.
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Mean Bro Greene said:
Here's an alternative, maybe post this in the Charge section of the forums, as I doubt very many people in the Thunderbolt section are fond of the Charge or would be able to help you mod it. Just saying.
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Yeah, I only posted this here because it involved pulling apps off of the Thunderbolt, and I figured Thunderbolt owners would know the most about doing things like that!
Dennis
dmw_4814 said:
No, maybe you should read my ENTIRE post before commenting! Actually I have a new plastic phone, but I do NOT have the worst UI the world has ever seen, since I rooted it and installed a custom ROM! GummyCHARGED 1.8.5 installs an interface that is the closest to a stock Android install that I've ever seen (Google branded phones excepted, as I've no experience with them). That Samsung TouchWiz interface is a MAJOR reason why I rooted the phone in the first place!
At least my new plastic phone doesn't reboot 8-10 times a day, including right in the middle of phone calls!
Dennis
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All of that still doesn't change the fact you have samsung hardware not supported by the htc sense framework by default. You might have something close to AOSP and still using touchwiz (such as the stripped/themed roms on the thunderbolt) or you might just have an actual AOSP based rom. However, none of that changes the fact that the Sense framework supports sense hardware (which none of that samsung uses) and many of the drivers on the phones are not opensource and so that's what keeps from being as simple as pulling off some .apks on a sense ROM and installing onto your phone. As mentioned, you are far more likely to find someone who can build a sense like framework/launcher from the ground up in the samsung centered or general android development forums than here.
If we're going to resort to name calling and insults by either party, I'll just report the thread to a moderator, because none of that is really needed it's off topic. There's been too much hate going around lately on xda and it just turns off those that really try to help (like me).
If you want a lead of some party to ask, I would contact the developers that ported the touchwiz interface to all android phones or start asking in the older samsung forums that have more development going on (or in the general ones as mentioned). They would probably be the most interested in helping as I mentioned before. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/modified-touchwiz-4-launcher-for-all-android-devices/ (these guys)
My sister just upgraded to a razr, so i snagged her x2. My daily driver is an inc2, but I thought this might be fun to play with. Is there anything that can actually be done to this? Doesn't seem like there are a lot of roms floating around for it. Am I stuck with motoblur? Is this destined to be an angry birds platform for my kids?
I don't need hand holding about how to mod, i'm running an early CM9 kang of ICS on my inc2, I would just like to know what the options are, what's recommended, or what should be shied away from. I've not used a motorola phone before, and know they're a bit tricky on the mod side.
I've tried liberty and eclipse on my gf's bionic. Both solid roms. Could probably theme them. The Cm7 looks like it might have a few glitches but maybe they aren't dealbreakers for u.
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CM7 is a great daily driver for the X2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21342515
I have really not had any problems with the rom at all.
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Eclipse is another great option. Receives support and has its own website http://www.eclipserom.com/.
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tspderek said:
My sister just upgraded to a razr, so i snagged her x2. My daily driver is an inc2, but I thought this might be fun to play with. Is there anything that can actually be done to this? Doesn't seem like there are a lot of roms floating around for it. Am I stuck with motoblur? Is this destined to be an angry birds platform for my kids?
I don't need hand holding about how to mod, i'm running an early CM9 kang of ICS on my inc2, I would just like to know what the options are, what's recommended, or what should be shied away from. I've not used a motorola phone before, and know they're a bit tricky on the mod side.
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Quite a few choices for our little "blessing" of a phone. As the others have mentioned, Eclipse and CM7 I'm pretty sure are the most current and popular right now. Ran them both, you can't go wrong either way.
Good place to start to see the options.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313103
I neglected to add that you're not stuck with blur on CM7...all blur has been removed
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Cm7 or eclipse. Just remember if you go to eclipse 2.0+ you will need to update to 2.3.5
Eclipserom.com for up to date info.
Cm7 is awesome no blur at all! Only problem is HDMI is not supported.
If you want to try both on the same kernal for 2.3.4 then use eclipse 1.3 very stable and solid.
i'm very familiar with CM7. I ran that up until a week ago. Just wasn't sure it was where it was at on this phone.
CM7 for the most part is fine on this phone. I'm using it now. Biggest problem with the rom is that some have wifi issues. I do at times. For some reason it loses it's connection with the router and can't get reconnected. Some just have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to get it working again. That doesn't seem to work for me. I have better luck just going into wifi settings and clicking on the wifi connection I want. Seems to connect then. Also, from time to time apps that require root access have trouble. Sometimes when I open an app, it just shows a blank window while it waits for root access. It can be fixed by rebooting but I just press the home button, then open the superuser app and remove the problem program. Then open the program again and after allowing root access, it works fine again. Those are the only real problems I have with the rom. For me, they aren't deal breakers. I can live with them.
Otherwise, like others have said, Eclipse is a good rom. However, I myself prefer Liberty. I don't know why everybody seems to bypass it as a suggestion. When it first came out, everybody was all bent out of shape about it and what a great rom it was. Now, nobody mentions it. My guess is because there hasn't been any updates to it since it first came out. However, I myself don't really see why anybody would want any updates. It ran perfect for me. Not one ounce of trouble from it no matter what I did. I still jump back to it now. Just for a change of pace.
I haven't tried MIUI. From what I've seen, too many issues that I don't want to deal with. I could be wrong about it though, as, like I said, I haven't tried it.
Just my two cents worth.
tspderek said:
My sister just upgraded to a razr, so i snagged her x2. My daily driver is an inc2, but I thought this might be fun to play with. Is there anything that can actually be done to this? Doesn't seem like there are a lot of roms floating around for it. Am I stuck with motoblur? Is this destined to be an angry birds platform for my kids?
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Not chained to the thing with a contract? Sell it.
DaveRichardson said:
Not chained to the thing with a contract? Sell it.
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Over an inc 2??? Hell no sell the inc 2, root and flash cm7, your phone will be beast...
SMILE It's Not Illegal Yet
I just got my phone and most of the time when receiving a email I'll pull down the menu and it keeps going back up automatically. After trying like 3 times it finally stays down. Does anyone else has this issue?
Not to insult your intelligence or anything but are you pulling the bar all the way down? When I was on GB if I didn't pull it all the way down it'd wonk out on me and shoot back up if I did it too fast.
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I had the same issue on GB. I head to drag it almost all the way down to the bottom of the screen. Now on ICS I can just flick the bar downwards and it does the rest.
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ChocolateSnow said:
Not to insult your intelligence or anything but are you pulling the bar all the way down? When I was on GB if I didn't pull it all the way down it'd wonk out on me and shoot back up if I did it too fast.
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Yes I pull it all the way down like 3 times then if lucky it will stay down. After reading emails the pull down menu works fine.The work arounds I found is to put my finger at the top of screen and quickly flick downward then it will stay. With my old phone using it's default rom and Cyanogenmod 7, this never happend. The second work around is to use a small app called, One Click Status Bar. Place it on the home screen and when it's tapped the menu drops down.
clay101eve said:
I had the same issue on GB. I head to drag it almost all the way down to the bottom of the screen. Now on ICS I can just flick the bar downwards and it does the rest.
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Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
gods_archangel said:
Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
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I flash around a lot usually spending about a couple weeks on different Roms to test and compare features and I can say I never had a problem with Google play ever recognizing any of my paid apps.
The force closes on the other hand do happen, but very rarely if you run a good rom, and don't do anything you're not supposed to
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gods_archangel said:
Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
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I respect your opinion, but I've been flashing custom roms for quite a while and have never had problems with market /playstore not recognizing or not letting me install unless of course I modified the DPI or something. Andbim afraid I don't know what u mean by paid apps disappearing.
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gods_archangel said:
Your phone must be rooted to have ICS. I'm debating on doing this because I like using CyanogenMod. One of the problems with rooted phones is that the market doesn't recognize the phone and paid apps disappear and it force closes alot.
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I'm rooted and running ics. I have yet to experience any of that. No fc's and no disappearing paid apps
Phalanx7621 said:
I respect your opinion, but I've been flashing custom roms for quite a while and have never had problems with market /playstore not recognizing or not letting me install unless of course I modified the DPI or something. Andbim afraid I don't know what u mean by paid apps disappearing.
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When a phone is rooted the Google server no longer knows what device is being used. You can check this out by logging into Google wallet and look under your device list. You'll also notice that some apps show up for different os like with gingerbread and some don't for ics. After rooting the server doesn't know what apps work with the phone and at times makes some of your paid apps disappear and preventing potential future downloads.
gods_archangel said:
When a phone is rooted the Google server no longer knows what device is being used. You can check this out by logging into Google wallet and look under your device list. You'll also notice that some apps show up for different os like with gingerbread and some don't for ics. After rooting the server doesn't know what apps work with the phone and at times makes some of your paid apps disappear and preventing potential future downloads.
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Wrong. Learn android before trying to tell something to those that know.
want proof of one. heres my screenshot in the attachment. I've never ran a stock phone. ever.
Not sure why its so small :/
BROKKANIC said:
I'm rooted and running ics. I have yet to experience any of that. No fc's and no disappearing paid apps
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I have almost 300 paid apps and had lots of problems with market in the past. Rooted phones has known issues with the market, apps and force closing. Call Google customer service and they will explain.
gods_archangel said:
I have almost 300 paid apps and had lots of problems with market in the past. Rooted phones has known issues with the market, apps and force closing. Call Google customer service and they will explain.
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you sir, have issues that most do not. your obviously not capable of using this site.
i have never had an issue with market that I did not cause. FC's are casued by apps not meant for your device or the ROM your running.
You want to argue with people that flash **** almost daily? go call google again, and quit wasting space in our forums
O and if your on stock, what did you expect to get for help by posting an issue with a stock ROM?
Call samsung
MotoMudder77 said:
Wrong. Learn android before trying to tell something to those that know.
want proof of one. heres my screenshot in the attachment. I've never ran a stock phone. ever.
Not sure why its so small :/
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No need to be rude. Just because you never had a problem doesn't mean no one will besides I'll have you know that I installed many roms and no android. Thank you!!!
gods_archangel said:
No need to be rude. Just because you never had a problem doesn't mean no one will besides I'll have you know that I installed many roms and no android. Thank you!!!
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I was not being rude, you are being incompetent.
4 million members on this site, you really think that rooting a phone breaks ****?
MotoMudder77 said:
you sir, have issues that most do not. your obviously not capable of using this site.
i have never had an issue with market that I did not cause. FC's are casued by apps not meant for your device or the ROM your running.
You want to argue with people that flash **** almost daily? go call google again, and quit wasting space in our forums
O and if your on stock, what did you expect to get for help by posting an issue with a stock ROM?
Call samsung
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Who's having a argument, were just talking. You didn't have to answer my post and you can simply leave.
MotoMudder77 said:
I was not being rude, you are being incompetent.
4 million members on this site, you really think that rooting a phone breaks ****?
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Why call me the word incompetent? You can drop the words (was not) and use, wasn't.
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Why call me the word incompetent? You can drop the words (was not) and use, wasn't.
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Very true, I apologize. But you must realize that this site EXISTS for the simple idea that we, the members of it(evidently not all of them), do not want our phones stock.
The only support you'll get from a stock ROM, is from the at&t store.
and the "was not" was meant that way. I feel its a stronger form of the word rather than wasn't
This discussion got troublesome and way, way off topic.
But the bottom line is man, if you want to stay stock, there's really nothing we can do, other than advise to wipe data/factory reset via 3e recovery.
What you may have thought you knew about issues that come by rooting your phone, are maybe 1 in a 100, and most likely caused by the person themselves.
There are a few ROM's that are based on at&t "official" leaks. but there rooted.
gods_archangel said:
I have almost 300 paid apps and had lots of problems with market in the past. Rooted phones has known issues with the market, apps and force closing. Call Google customer service and they will explain.
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I think you may be confusing some of your facts. That may hold true for some unbranded chinese tablets running ICS. Those ROMs have to operate as a brand name "something else" just to get market to recognize the device.
The same is not true with our phones. Root away! The issues you're concerned about do not exist on name brand android devices.
I have a question for all those guys that make a big deal about having their phone upgraded to ICS or JB. I would like to know what is the big difference or a feature that would make my phone Atrix that's stuck on GB so special? I mean, I can run any browser I want except maybe chrome, I can run any email app and watch and listen to music just like on upgraded phone... oh and lets not forget I can still make phone calls. Have I been living under a rock or do you know something I don't? Please let me know
Thanks for your time.
erikmarko said:
I have a question for all those guys that make a big deal about having their phone upgraded to ICS or JB. I would like to know what is the big difference or a feature that would make my phone Atrix that's stuck on GB so special? I mean, I can run any browser I want except maybe chrome, I can run any email app and watch and listen to music just like on upgraded phone... oh and lets not forget I can still make phone calls. Have I been living under a rock or do you know something I don't? Please let me know
Thanks for your time.
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Well firstly, ICS/JB is soo much smoother and much more asthetically pleasing. Many more people prefer ICS/JB and they are entitled to their own opinions.
Also, many people are angry at MotoFail because they promised us ICS and did not deliver. This is what has caused most of the outrage.
Well, yes I'm mad myself that they did not upgrade my $600 phone. BTW I'm using GO Launcher so my phone still looks pretty good and I can't complain about not being smooth. If this is it, it ain't that bad.
HMZX said:
Well firstly, ICS/JB is soo much smoother and much more asthetically pleasing. Many more people prefer ICS/JB and they are entitled to their own opinions.
Also, many people are angry at MotoFail because they promised us ICS and did not deliver. This is what has caused most of the outrage.
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Google Now & Project Butter
erikmarko said:
I mean, I can run any browser I want except maybe chrome, I can run any email app and watch and listen to music just like on upgraded phone... oh and lets not forget I can still make phone calls. Have I been living under a rock or do you know something I don't?
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Yes, for now most applications support GB, but as percentage of ICS/JB will grow, more and more application developers will dump GB support. There are some bugs in GB that are not fixed and probably won't be ever fixed, so some developers make workaround for them, some don't, so you can stumble upon one of those if you are 'lucky'. Most of new applications are primarily targeting new ICS interface with Action Bar, so they support GB with third party Action Bar library which also has a lot of bugs, some application features could be disabled because it is hard or impossible to implement them in GB. And things will get worse...
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Google Now & Project Butter
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I agree, these two things may seem small, but going back from CM10.1 to CM7 makes it feel like my phone is very slow (although I'm sure this is more of a perception than a real difference).
ICS and JB bring UI enhancements. More importantly, there are apps that only work on ICS and above and will never be backported, Which apps are important to users, depends on the user. For instance, Brighthouse and TWC have cable apps that only work on ICS and above. And as time goes by, you'll find more and more newer apps will require ICS and later, especially since ICS itself was released 16 months ago.
But you're right, you can still make phone calls and you can still use 2 year old apps. But if all you care about is using just a phone, you can get one without paying for a smartphone plan for a hell of a lot less money. And while it's unrealistic to have the latest greatest software at all times for the term of the contract, the device at least should not be obsolete before the ink dries on that contract. While the device still mostly works as it did when it was new, the actual resale value has plummeted since the ICS update cancellation announcement, so much so that a decent protective case costs more than what the device is currently worth.
So when it comes to why people make such a fuss about ICS, aside from the cancelled update, and aside from all the marketing hype that went into the device that got people to buy it in the first place, and aside from the fact that ICS and JB are that much better or they wouldn't be considered updates/upgrades, some people like to at least be a little current. After all, why go buy a new computer when people will give you an old one running windows 3.11 for free? Who knows, maybe you can find an old Univac somewhere. While we're at it, why use anything new at all when we can go back to wearing animal hides and banging rocks together to make tools.
I should tell you about the security vulnerabilities as well, but I'm not going to. Sometimes the lesson becomes more valuable when the person learns on their own, even if it's with some rogue dialer hooking you up with one of those $100/minute pay per call lines like back in the days of dialup.
erikmarko said:
Well, yes I'm mad myself that they did not upgrade my $600 phone. BTW I'm using GO Launcher so my phone still looks pretty good and I can't complain about not being smooth. If this is it, it ain't that bad.
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Go Launcher is smooth only after first one or two clicks. It has many advantages like foldering but for the smoothness, i dont think so.
What pisses me off about GB is notification bar pull-down. Sometimes it gets damn so laggy and slow.
Google Now, Multiple GTalk logins, stable push connection, data counter/limiter, better app support, interface that's easier to use and navigate, faster, and many other improvements.
Stable push connection is the one that really made me not want to go back. When I'm on mobile data on GB it would disconnect every 4-5 minutes, and then wait for a few minutes before reconnecting, and then disconnect again after another 4-5 minutes, ad infinitum. I can't tell you how many times I've been frustrated seeing gray status bar icons instead of green ones. And the fact that GB's push mail & market is dependent on the gtalk service doesn't help.
Gray icons? No gtalk messages, no mail, no downloading from the market.
Signed out of gtalk? No mail, no downloading from the market.
It was frustrating...
I don't care about staying in gb, imo the problem is that there are apps made only for 4.x+ and in a close future gb will be definitely dead.
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I bought this phone 9 months ago for 300€, even a Lapdock (120€), and I hear that ICS won't be delivered by Moto and my digitizer starts glitching (A full zone of the screen). Now my phone is unlocked the warrantly is void. This is what makes me angry.
Slymayer said:
I bought this phone 9 months ago for 300€, even a Lapdock (120€), and I hear that ICS won't be delivered by Moto and my digitizer starts glitching (A full zone of the screen). Now my phone is unlocked the warrantly is void. This is what makes me angry.
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I'm surprised that Motorola hasn't recognized the digitizer problem. Too many people are affected by it.
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The digitizer doesn't mean much to them. The device is 2 years old and they stopped caring long ago.
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Yes I fixed mine for 33 bucks works sweet now just have to get a good. Screen took 3 of them to get 1 good one only payed for 1..
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I think you guys are exaggerating a little bit. I mean I went to the store and played with phones that run JB and my old Atrix is pretty much just as smooth. I can play Youtube videos in 1080p no problem. And Google Now... do I really need it? I mean I don't live in my phone or on facebook like some of you hard core cell phone users. Balintmaci what did you notice that was so special when browsing on JB OS? Im using Opera browser and it runs pretty fast.
balintmaci said:
smoothness, many apps, YouTube in 720p for instance. hardware acceleration makes it WAY faster. you can not compare the browsing experience... Google now. that's just what I can think of in a few seconds... i believe that's more than enough.
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Less reboots/stability
My stock FY/GB Atrix rebooted randomly a lot. It's the whole reason I looked into roots and ROMs in the first place.
I rooted...unlocked...and put epinters CM10 on my Atrix cuz Motorola said I couldn't!
Haha... good for you mister. Now I'm a total newbe so pardon the stupid question. When you guys flash roms to CMx... ie ICS or JB does this allow you to download and install apps that require that OS from play store?
blueglide said:
I rooted...unlocked...and put epinters CM10 on my Atrix cuz Motorola said I couldn't!
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tacarat said:
My stock FY/GB Atrix rebooted randomly a lot. It's the whole reason I looked into roots and ROMs in the first place.
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Same. Got the device in September of 2011 from local AT&T store, in October it started randomly rebooting, even after several factory resets. Between that and the unified messenger spam, I was not impressed.
erikmarko said:
Haha... good for you mister. Now I'm a total newbe so pardon the stupid question. When you guys flash roms to CMx... ie ICS or JB does this allow you to download and install apps that require that OS from play store?
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Yes...and I can flash back to a GB rom anytime I want. I prefer the JB rom without all the bloatware and epinters rom is very good.