I can't seem to find a definitive answer to this, but I remember hearing something about it being accessible to both. Does anyone know for sure? This question has been driving me nuts lately.
From what I've read, no. Just wimax
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What is the point of having LTE on your phone if you can not use it?
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IIRC, the chip can handle LTE, but there's no LTE antenna.
Sprint is planing to roll out LTE, so it'd be cool if we could use it without having to buy a new phone.
LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
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Hope you don't wanna be inside and use it lol.
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Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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hell not even a stiff breeze, let a damn truck roll by the tower.... that'll block ur service for sure!
What new frequency does LightSquared run on? Because that'll be Sprint's frequency.
If Network Vision does what I hope it'll do, we might not have to worry about it as much.
I'm in one the fastest 4G areas Sprint has so I'm not too pressed about having LTE, yet.
At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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Its not the protocol to blame. lte at 2.5ghz would suck just as hard as wimax at 2.5ghz. Hopefully sprint uses thier iDen frequencies for lte instead....hell use wimax on 800mhz and thatd spank the crap we have now
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Sprint will run both wimax and lte on multi channel towers using 800, 1900, 2.5 providing the best capacity and performance
Currently Verizon only uses 700... While it's fast the 700 MHz frequencies are limited and it will not be able to scale even remotely close to what sprint will be able to achieve on all 3 bands
It's only a matter of time
Sprint 800mhz
What I state is just a possabilty and not fact but IF Sprint made Nextel go bye-bye then they would have freed up the IDEN spectrum which is 800 mhz.... That would be a nice start for Sprint LTE. I presonally think Nextel's days are numbered anyway so this atleast has a chance of happening in the future.
The antenna issue
I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
This is not really sprint's fault!
As we all know Sprint operates on the WiMax band that is owned by Clearwire, now Clear is only using a fourth of its allotted spectrum and WiMax has the potential to be a lot faster and way more stable, unfortunately CLEAR has gone through some pretty rough financial woes that have halted its build out. WiMax just like any MMDS/LDS service is based on LOS (line of sight) and as much as Motorola denies it, it is simply a fact! Now I have the 3VO and can’t get a stable CINR in my house, but yet I have a Non Modified CLEAR modem and have a CINR of 16... What’s the deal ... the deal is that the Antenna and RF gain on these HTC WiMax devices suck bad!! Plus to top it off CLEAR has not even nearly completed its build out in many areas NYC, CHICAGO, ETC... Which make 4G on a 2-3DB Gain Smartphone near impossible in decent coverage areas. I have my primary Clear Modem modified with 2 MMDS 21db Grid antennas on the roof and my service screams 10MBDL/1.77UP ping of 47 and Cinr of 36 and I am .77 miles from the nearest tower, so it is not the WiMAX service as much as the coverage issues and poor antenna design. If CLEAR would open up more spectrum, WiMax can easily go to 99MBS DL as its wave 2 compliant and can handle that, it’s all up to the common carrier and its partner agreements... CLEAR Towers fed by Comcast (GAP/DAP) have always produced higher speeds for me.
But again Sprint got no control on your 4G service, that’s rented space for them, even though they have a 54% share hold on CLEAR.
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I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
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Assuming they shared an antenna which I dint think they do.
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If the chipset could go either way then I would ASSume that it would be a single antenna as it would set or one of the other... Scan for Wimax and then LTE... Which ever one present or has the better signal... connect to.
pretty sure none of the chipsets support LTE in the EVO3D. Dunno where you got that info from. The Qualcomm chipset in the Evo3D is the MSM8660 and from qualcomm's site that doesn't support LTE onboard. the only one is the new MSM90XX's and the MDM9600 which is what is in the VZ LTE phone.
The EVO3D has the SQN1210 WiMax chipset in it too so less you bypass that or reconfig that somehow i dont think its gonna happen. itll take some heavy dev'ing if its even possible, OR my info is somehow wrong and i missed something.
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I currently have the EVO (great phone) but I have trouble using the 4G (WIMAX), I live in a 4G area that doesn't have 4G, lol and and work I have a lot of concrete around, so 4G doesn't work there either, so I'm wondering if I should try the TB 4G on LTE, I use 3g at work no problem but its still too slow. I hardly never have the 4G turned on my EVO which Im kinda upset about, so far WIMAX has really kinda sucked. Does anyone have experience with both radios? and do you think LTE might penetrate the concrete at my work?
It should do better. The way i understand it, higher frequencies (Wimax being 2.5 -3.5 GHz range) are more easily deflected. Like a bouncing ball.
LTE runs at 700 MHz and does penetrate better. Like a dodgeball.
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I currently have the EVO (great phone) but I have trouble using the 4G (WIMAX), I live in a 4G area that doesn't have 4G, lol and and work I have a lot of concrete around, so 4G doesn't work there either, so I'm wondering if I should try the TB 4G on LTE, I use 3g at work no problem but its still too slow. I hardly never have the 4G turned on my EVO which Im kinda upset about, so far WIMAX has really kinda sucked. Does anyone have experience with both radios? and do you think LTE might penetrate the concrete at my work?
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Nobody can really say because we don't have a LTE phone yet. You might want to test one when they come out.
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Nobody can really say because we don't have a LTE phone yet. You might want to test one when they come out.
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Thanks I will try it and ill keep my fingers crossed.
LTE will penetrate buildings better than WiMAX. The question is whether your specific spot is in good coverage and only you can test that.
I've been ordering 4G LTE usb modems for my company's new hires and had one of the other IT guys do some bandwidth tests. (I ordered one of his new hires the 4G modem and he promptly had me switch it into his name and gave his new hire his old 3G model). Anyway, he got 4.55 Mb/s down and 3.13 Mb/s up compared to 1.75 Mb/s down and 0.53 Mb/s up on his 3G modem. This was in NYC. Indoors, but with good reception. This is very fast indeed.
LTE is vastly superior to wimax. I can write more details out later, but you can put your faith in it.
Worked on the infrastructure!
Quite simply, Wimax sucks. I can only get it downtown. I can get it for thirty seconds at my job and I can't get it at all in my home. I can't even get it if I step outside. Sprint has really dug a hole for themselves tacking on 10 dollars under the title of "Premium Data." They later tacked on a premium data charge for all smartphones; they would have been better off simply saying that they were raising prices to offset the costs of being able to provide unlimited data... These things led to Sprint having record lows on their quarterly report. Having a new Nintendo DS-like non-4G enabled phone isn't gonna help their sales much more... Making the decision to switch to Verizon to get the Thunderbolt because I will be able to get the best service. In my neighborhood, Verizon is the only carrier that gets full bars and doesn't drop calls. They charge a lot but you can't say that you don't get what you pay for. I'm certain that Verizon's LTE will be superior to Wimax. Verizon is all about having services and devices that are superior to their competition.
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Quite simply, Wimax sucks. I can only get it downtown. I can get it for thirty seconds at my job and I can't get it at all in my home. I can't even get it if I step outside. Sprint has really dug a hole for themselves tacking on 10 dollars under the title of "Premium Data." They later tacked on a premium data charge for all smartphones; they would have been better off simply saying that they were raising prices to offset the costs of being able to provide unlimited data... These things led to Sprint having record lows on their quarterly report. Having a new Nintendo DS-like non-4G enabled phone isn't gonna help their sales much more... I making the decision to switch to Verizon to get the Thunderbolt because I will be able to get the best service. In my neighborhood, Verizon is the only carrier that gets full bars and doesn't drop calls. They charge a lot but you can't say that you don't get what you pay for. I'm certain that Verizon's LTE will be superior to Wimax. Verizon is all about having services and devices that are superior to their competition.
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Well said. The thunderbolt/Verizon is definitely ahead of the curve at this moment, and probably will be through 2011.
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LTE will penetrate buildings better than WiMAX. The question is whether your specific spot is in good coverage and only you can test that.
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Technically, its the frequency being used (700mhz vs 2.5ghz), rather than the technology (LTE vs WiMax).
Higher frequency (2.5ghz) can't travel as far (so you need more towers per square mile), and has a harder time penetrating solid objects compared to lower frequencies (700mhz).
Well as many EVO users know there is a distinct possibility (probability) that Sprint will be getting out of the WiMax game at some point in the next couple of years and joining the LTE bandwagon. Of course, it's a simple switch to make on their end as it only requires a firmware update, however on the phone's end it is not quite that simple.
Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of the 3D having a dual mode chip? I would like to hang on to this next phone for a while and I'm hoping we won't be saddled with only 2.5 ghz spectrum wimax (the spectrum is also something I'm curious about with the former nextel bands' uncertain future).
Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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That's a very blunt way of phrasing the question but I'll do my best:
WiMax in and of itself is not necessarily "bad", but to sum it up, Clearwire (who Sprint has partnered with in its 4G endeavors) is pretty well tanking, and I believe that LTE is the superior standard if you base it solely on tech specs. Add to this the fact that LTE has become the de-facto standard via its adoption by ATT & VZW.
Other complicating factors are the fact that Sprint's 2.5 Ghz spectrum has well-known issues with building penetration, the fact that the 800Mhz former nextel spectrum would be a good candidate for rolling out LTE and having better service, the fact that LTE (supposedly) lends itself better to carrier control (ie not in favor of net neutrality) and probably some others, and the fact that sprint has itself said it is investigating the possibility of going LTE, it doesnt even really matter if WiMax is "bad" because it's probably going to happen one way or another.
Wimax 2 might hold promise but I honestly am already over my head here and I'm saying I don't want to be stuck with a phone that overtly clashes with Sprint's 4G vision of the future.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Just to clarify, I believe Wimax actually isn't the problem, if it were deployed on a lower spectrum it would have comparable signal penetration.
IF sprint switches to lte (hope not) then it won't be soon enough to worry about with the evo 3d, you will undoubtably upgrade your phone in that time, unless you can withhold the temptation to buy quadcore superphones next year
Project leapfrog is in the works for sprint. Meaning, they're coonverting to LTE by 2013. Which, in theory, means the Evo 3D will NOT have LTE capabilities because it'll be most likely another year or two before you start seeing LTE on Sprints network.
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Wimax is more efficient than LTE, it's the spectrum they are using that is hurting them. I doubt it will be but the Evo was the first 4G phone out so it would make sense. Even if it's unused when the phone is released.
The Evo is ready for Wimax2 (real 4G) and I don't think the standard hasn't even been finalized yet.
Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint was already testing lte in phoenix . They also dont need to aquire any new frequency as they are getting rid of the iden - nextel really soon and will probably use that as wimax or lte if they choose it . Iden was in the 700 mhz range and will give a much better coverage
I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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Sprint doesn't have anything in the 700MHz area last I checked. They didn't win the auction when it was held.
sprint has 806 MHz to 824 MHz and 851 MHz to 869 MHz bands. http://www.accedian.com/blog/news/sprint-vacated-iden-spectrum/
"There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost." -per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
Regardless of what they own you are right in that Spring/Clearwire cant just wake up and decide to deploy WiMax on a lower Freq that they own b/c at this point in time its flat out not provisioned for it. However I have no clue as to how hard/easy it would be to get such a provision so anything is possible.
The thing with LTE is its provisioned across all freq bands defined for UMTS, which typically consist of 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz. per http://www.pixaware.com/LTE and WiMAX Comparison-TejasBhandare.pdf
I personally speculate that they will go the dual route b/c WiMax has its advantages over LTE in its own areas.
I understand that but I know that clear does what sprint says since they own more than 50% . Sprint will do something with the band width that nextel was using and it looks like the test in phoenix was good. I would not think they would go dual but its only software its easy to go from wimax to lte and so forth but I think it would send the wrong message if they did it . Should be interesting whatever they do . But I bet they use the nextel bandwidth to implement lte
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
I was saying that lte was better than wimax . They tested it in phoenix and got over 70 mbps . But some say wimax 2 is coming and such . It is never ending just like fios and cable . It will always be a search for speed . But right now you can google sprint and lte test in phoenix . may be the way they are going
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Yea but by the time they roll that out, they will probably be working on upgrades to lte. It will be a never ending battle. Someone is always gonna have the upper hand for half a year.
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Wrong
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/4g-lte.jsp
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._accelerated_plans_for_4g_lte_deployment.html
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Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint isn't doing anything. They don't have a 4g network. They lease it from clear (they are majority owners).
i agree with what others have said, the problem with clear's wimax network is the 2.5Ghz spectrum it runs on.
Wimax is open source, it's theoretically cheaper to build than LTE, but i haven't heard of clear expanding the coverage fast as verizon and tmobile.
Here's to all of you The EVO 3D might have compatability woe Wimax R2 or the 802e/m which will destroy LTE in speed and No Sprint will not switch over its to much money
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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I have LTE, yea and it is as flaky if not more or less than wimax, trust me I was just browsing the 3d forums to see when it will be released or so and the rumors.
AT home I get constant dropouts in LTE, hell I cant even get a constant signal, and walk 100 meters out in the open and I get great LTE coverage. While I have a laptop with built in wimax module and I got free thirty days and I get a constant connection and great coverage. I have never lost connection.
LTE is faster but seriously after 3mb down it all becomes pointless unless you are using your phone for home internet and need a lot of traffic, for a phone a connection at 2-3mb constant is plenty fast.
My wimax module gets me 3-5mb consistently at my house, I have never seen it go below.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
That is great news. Thanks for posting.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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^This...
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This means absolutely nothing.( i guess not absolutely nothing but its not the end all solution)
Just b/c they likely get LTE doesn't make it better at all than WiMax.
Those uneducated in the matter should take some time to read up some around here and the web and you'll learn that the reason WiMax in its current state with Sprint/Clearwire is the way it is b/c of a few things, one being the power the units use to get signal(hence wimax modems get better signal b/c they not running on battery like us) and the freq WiMax is placed on.
If they were to take LTE and swap out WiMax on the same freq we would all have the same issues as we do today, end of story.
We really need to understand that its not LTE vs WiMax its more about how the tech is implemented and such. VZ gets better coverage b/c its LTE is sitting on 700MHz channels so the building penetration is much better than the freq sprint/clear use 2.5GHz.
4G will get 10x better in the future once sprints network upgrade is rolled out and they have time to improve it. many options for them wether it be dual LTE/WiMax, or straight WiMax but using wider channel bandwidth and lower frequency. whatever it is it will get better, BUT it wont be just b/c its LTE or WiMax, itll be because of how its implemented.
also its been reported that this deal was done awhile ago. Sprint just reported earnings so its in there too now is all.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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LMAO!!! IF they are going to offer LTE on 5hz stepping its not going to be any better than WiMax... I am waiting for Clearwires 20hz step LTE ... now thats speed to be excited about!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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already started phasing out iDen btw. part of sprint vision network upgrades. new devices will use the new cdma version and i think nextel subs have till like 2013 or maybe later to move over. think first few phones to support it are due out later this year.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong, (which I thought I was)
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I thought they were gonna use lightsquareds spectrum which is better then what Wimax uses 1500s
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DoctorComrade said:
Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares 4g lte network if they want in the future...
Obviously yall didnt read much when it says CLEARLY its for capacity, and MAYBE future use if needed... smh, you guys think were gonna get off scott free straight to LTE, not a chance... the design goes like this... Agreement between LS and sprint for LS to deploy 4g LTE over "sprint spectrum" with 3g roaming.... Sprint gains access to 4g lte for capacity and possible future deployment if needed with satellite spectrum buying access, if LS decides to sell Lband spectrum. this gives sprint cash (8 bill) and the agreement is like 15 years.... this about sums up that article.
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares spectrum if they want in the future...(guess that last part is if lightsquare can get their gps issues fixed on their spectrum)
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Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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I'm pretty sure Sprint is phasing out Nextel. I work IT for our city and our Public Safety officers all use Nextel phones. Over the past 6 months or so, call quality on these phones has gone to complete ****. We are slowly moving our users over to Sprint phones. Most don't use the Direct Connect feature, but a couple have complained about losing it.
My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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I wouldn't worry about it until your next upgrade is due...
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rockypr said:
My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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Article states roll out in 2014. I don't think WiMax will go anywhere in the meantime.
Something new to discuss everything about Wimax while it last! ... Antennas, tricks, etc.. Check it out!
wimaxspot360.com
So LTE is replacing Wimax?
unfortunately
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
Awesome. I thought they were going to force me to upgrade again. I'd be like, ''Damn, I just got this!''
I agree that LTE is faster than Wimax but i also know that the Wimax network never got to see a full well established deployment.
Wimax could of been much better than what it is, but I just think it came in to late (like everything in this country regarding cell phone technology does) and not enought time and money was put in to it.
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yousefak said:
How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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because of this
megabiteg said:
I agree that LTE is faster than Wimax but i also know that the Wimax network never got to see a full well established deployment.
Wimax could of been much better than what it is, but I just think it came in to late (like everything in this country regarding cell phone technology does) and not enought time and money was put in to it.
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wimax is a better technology, however, only sprint has wimax and has it on a bad frequency, if wimax was on a lower frequency you would see much better signal and penetration. Because verizon and at&t have better backbone they can provide faster speeds to their towers and so they gave LTE a better name in the consumer market, it has nothing to do with the technology but unfortunately sprint has to get the consumers to buy into their service and when the consumer see's that LTE gets better speeds (regardless of why) then sprint has to sell the consumer LTE to stay with the pack.
Wimax can offer faster speeds and more connections per tower but it is limited by sprint and the terrible speeds that sprint offers the towers. Do Not expect to get great speeds with sprint LTE as it will be just as slow as the wimax when the number of lte phones gets to be as high as the wimax phones on the sprint network.
Wimax had great speeds before the Evo 4g was released, just as you see the screen shots of sprint's LTE speeds. also dont forget that verizon lte had great speeds when it first came out but their speeds are similar to sprint's wimax now.
tl;dr wimax>LTE, sprint sucks right now, beer is good
Sprint did give wimax a bad name cause it's sucks big time. I'm in a "well covered" 4G area and good luck driving down the road keeping a signal. It's total crap & is completely worthless. Who cares if LTE is faster, wimax speeds would be totally fine if it could actually stay connected. What good is it if your phone can never stay connected to it. I'm hoping once Sprint lights up LTE I can actually stay connected to it without it cutting in and out all the time interrupting my music with buffering.
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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OMG LTE is NOT Faster than WiMax. Verizon's current LTE is faster than Sprint/Clear's WiMax but that does NOT in any way mean LTE is faster than WiMax b/c that is far from the truth.
speed depends on a ton of other things not just the general tech behind the protocol.
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wimax is a better technology, however, only sprint has wimax and has it on a bad frequency, if wimax was on a lower frequency you would see much better signal and penetration. Because verizon and at&t have better backbone they can provide faster speeds to their towers and so they gave LTE a better name in the consumer market, it has nothing to do with the technology but unfortunately sprint has to get the consumers to buy into their service and when the consumer see's that LTE gets better speeds (regardless of why) then sprint has to sell the consumer LTE to stay with the pack.
Wimax can offer faster speeds and more connections per tower but it is limited by sprint and the terrible speeds that sprint offers the towers. Do Not expect to get great speeds with sprint LTE as it will be just as slow as the wimax when the number of lte phones gets to be as high as the wimax phones on the sprint network.
Wimax had great speeds before the Evo 4g was released, just as you see the screen shots of sprint's LTE speeds. also dont forget that verizon lte had great speeds when it first came out but their speeds are similar to sprint's wimax now.
tl;dr wimax>LTE, sprint sucks right now, beer is good
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My friends LTE device did 26k in SC in a non metropolatin zone. I was like.. **** ME
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How is that unfortunate?
LTE is faster and they won't kill WiMax for a while so you have plenty of time for you upgrade to an LTE device.
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Technically, WiMax is the 'faster' technology. Realistically, though, not so much.
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My friends LTE device did 26k in SC in a non metropolatin zone. I was like.. **** ME
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26kb or 26mb?
if the first, there is something wrong. if the second then he must be in a very low saturation area. I've seen tests up to 40 something mb/s with Verizon lte before the thunderbolt came out.
I've also seen 20 something mb with Wimax done in a populated area ie Houston by a photon. it depends on how many are connected and utilizing the bandwidth.
if be blown away if i saw more than 10 on mine
Hmmmm this is headed in the right direction.
Sprint today announced that it will purchase Clearwire outright for $2.97 per share, or roughly $2.2 billion. Although the deal still has to pass through regulatory approval, Sprint calls the agreement "definitive" and has outlined its plans for the carrier: as expected, it will use Clearwire's 2.5 GHz spectrum to augment its 4G LTE network. Clearwire CEO and President Erik Prusch said that the move was "the best path forward" for his company.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/17/3775840/sprint-clearwire-acquisition-purchase-softbank
SIgh.. I sure hope Sprint kicks it into gear soon.
My 3G speeds are slower than back when I was on dial-up over a decade ago. I mean it is abysmal.
2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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As far as I know the EVO doesn't have the chip to run at that frequency. By the time its deployed im sure we will all be on the next EVO, which will probably have a chip to run on 2.5, 1900 and 800 mhz. I hope.
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2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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Sprint is doing two deployments on their network currently. There is Network Vision, which improves 3G coverage, and speed. This can improve coverage by about 4x. Part of what they are doing is moving the radio to the top of the tower which greatly improves RF loss that would happen via cable run to the top.
Sprint is also deploying 4G LTE in a number of markets. I've noticed it here in Minneapolis, MN but it is being deployed here from the outside in. There are a couple towers coming up every day or so. In Minneapolis, LTE has been announced as on its way but they have been turning up towers prior to officially announcing that it is here. From what I hear, Chicago is rockin' fast LTE & Network Vision has really helped.
With the money & knowledge from Softbank, Sprint's network is going to be improving dramatically this year. I can't wait for LTE to hit my home & work areas so I can get the fast speeds.
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As far as I know the EVO doesn't have the chip to run at that frequency. By the time its deployed im sure we will all be on the next EVO, which will probably have a chip to run on 2.5, 1900 and 800 mhz. I hope.
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I would expect the next devices to be 1900 and 800, I doubt we'll see 2.5 for a bit. Considering this deal still has to go through and likely the 2.5 wouldn't be put to use right away.
Excellent. Should be a good investemtn
windsurfsail said:
Sprint is doing two deployments on their network currently. There is Network Vision, which improves 3G coverage, and speed. This can improve coverage by about 4x. Part of what they are doing is moving the radio to the top of the tower which greatly improves RF loss that would happen via cable run to the top.
Sprint is also deploying 4G LTE in a number of markets. I've noticed it here in Minneapolis, MN but it is being deployed here from the outside in. There are a couple towers coming up every day or so. In Minneapolis, LTE has been announced as on its way but they have been turning up towers prior to officially announcing that it is here. From what I hear, Chicago is rockin' fast LTE & Network Vision has really helped.
With the money & knowledge from Softbank, Sprint's network is going to be improving dramatically this year. I can't wait for LTE to hit my home & work areas so I can get the fast speeds.
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Your info us a lil off there as its not 2 phased like you say where one phase is 3g improvement and one is LTE...Network Vision includes both 3G and 4G deployment at same time. Yes they not always both turned on at same time but they mist deff are deployed and worked on basically together.
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2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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Up there by memorial right? I got it up there a little bit.
But I checked the radios in the evo and I don't think it'll be able to use that frequency. Hopefully OKC will get it soon though.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, while the 2500mhz will add to the overall LTE spectrum, isn't it all but useless unless you are outside?
I thought this was the good part about the 800mhz. And why Verizon's LTE works so well indoors, as it's the 700mhz I think.
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mattemer said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, while the 2500mhz will add to the overall LTE spectrum, isn't it all but useless unless you are outside?
I thought this was the good part about the 800mhz. And why Verizon's LTE works so well indoors, as it's the 700mhz I think.
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For most part yes but those ppl outside will connect to it and in turn free up spectrum typically used by everyone else thus improving experience for everyone...
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mattemer said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, while the 2500mhz will add to the overall LTE spectrum, isn't it all but useless unless you are outside?
I thought this was the good part about the 800mhz. And why Verizon's LTE works so well indoors, as it's the 700mhz I think.
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Depends on range. They are supposingly going with mini cells to help with 2.5 range.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/30/technology/small-cells/index.htm?iid=EL
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Depends on range. They are supposingly going with mini cells to help with 2.5 range.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/30/technology/small-cells/index.htm?iid=EL
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Still waiting for picocells to pick up any kind of relative steam... They are not cheap to deploy overall widely...
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Its going to take time but sprint is doing a great job with LTE. Many spots in Minnesota with LTE and as soon as 3 weeks ago there was no LTE in Minnesota. So good job keep it up sprint.
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Depends on range. They are supposingly going with mini cells to help with 2.5 range.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/30/technology/small-cells/index.htm?iid=EL
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sgt. slaughter said:
Still waiting for picocells to pick up any kind of relative steam... They are not cheap to deploy overall widely...
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Should read the comments there. Some idiots think they'll have to carry the antenna around with them.