Hmmmm this is headed in the right direction.
Sprint today announced that it will purchase Clearwire outright for $2.97 per share, or roughly $2.2 billion. Although the deal still has to pass through regulatory approval, Sprint calls the agreement "definitive" and has outlined its plans for the carrier: as expected, it will use Clearwire's 2.5 GHz spectrum to augment its 4G LTE network. Clearwire CEO and President Erik Prusch said that the move was "the best path forward" for his company.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/17/3775840/sprint-clearwire-acquisition-purchase-softbank
SIgh.. I sure hope Sprint kicks it into gear soon.
My 3G speeds are slower than back when I was on dial-up over a decade ago. I mean it is abysmal.
2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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As far as I know the EVO doesn't have the chip to run at that frequency. By the time its deployed im sure we will all be on the next EVO, which will probably have a chip to run on 2.5, 1900 and 800 mhz. I hope.
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2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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Sprint is doing two deployments on their network currently. There is Network Vision, which improves 3G coverage, and speed. This can improve coverage by about 4x. Part of what they are doing is moving the radio to the top of the tower which greatly improves RF loss that would happen via cable run to the top.
Sprint is also deploying 4G LTE in a number of markets. I've noticed it here in Minneapolis, MN but it is being deployed here from the outside in. There are a couple towers coming up every day or so. In Minneapolis, LTE has been announced as on its way but they have been turning up towers prior to officially announcing that it is here. From what I hear, Chicago is rockin' fast LTE & Network Vision has really helped.
With the money & knowledge from Softbank, Sprint's network is going to be improving dramatically this year. I can't wait for LTE to hit my home & work areas so I can get the fast speeds.
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As far as I know the EVO doesn't have the chip to run at that frequency. By the time its deployed im sure we will all be on the next EVO, which will probably have a chip to run on 2.5, 1900 and 800 mhz. I hope.
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I would expect the next devices to be 1900 and 800, I doubt we'll see 2.5 for a bit. Considering this deal still has to go through and likely the 2.5 wouldn't be put to use right away.
Excellent. Should be a good investemtn
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Sprint is doing two deployments on their network currently. There is Network Vision, which improves 3G coverage, and speed. This can improve coverage by about 4x. Part of what they are doing is moving the radio to the top of the tower which greatly improves RF loss that would happen via cable run to the top.
Sprint is also deploying 4G LTE in a number of markets. I've noticed it here in Minneapolis, MN but it is being deployed here from the outside in. There are a couple towers coming up every day or so. In Minneapolis, LTE has been announced as on its way but they have been turning up towers prior to officially announcing that it is here. From what I hear, Chicago is rockin' fast LTE & Network Vision has really helped.
With the money & knowledge from Softbank, Sprint's network is going to be improving dramatically this year. I can't wait for LTE to hit my home & work areas so I can get the fast speeds.
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Your info us a lil off there as its not 2 phased like you say where one phase is 3g improvement and one is LTE...Network Vision includes both 3G and 4G deployment at same time. Yes they not always both turned on at same time but they mist deff are deployed and worked on basically together.
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2500Mhz LTE won't work on the EVO LTE right? I'm in Oklahoma City, and we have unadvertised 4G (Sprint doesn't list it, but its available). That said, OKC is on absolutely NO DEPLOYMENT LIST for LTE. Ardmore, OK made the list in the most recent press release, but thats near the Texas border.
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Up there by memorial right? I got it up there a little bit.
But I checked the radios in the evo and I don't think it'll be able to use that frequency. Hopefully OKC will get it soon though.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, while the 2500mhz will add to the overall LTE spectrum, isn't it all but useless unless you are outside?
I thought this was the good part about the 800mhz. And why Verizon's LTE works so well indoors, as it's the 700mhz I think.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, while the 2500mhz will add to the overall LTE spectrum, isn't it all but useless unless you are outside?
I thought this was the good part about the 800mhz. And why Verizon's LTE works so well indoors, as it's the 700mhz I think.
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For most part yes but those ppl outside will connect to it and in turn free up spectrum typically used by everyone else thus improving experience for everyone...
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, while the 2500mhz will add to the overall LTE spectrum, isn't it all but useless unless you are outside?
I thought this was the good part about the 800mhz. And why Verizon's LTE works so well indoors, as it's the 700mhz I think.
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Depends on range. They are supposingly going with mini cells to help with 2.5 range.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/30/technology/small-cells/index.htm?iid=EL
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Depends on range. They are supposingly going with mini cells to help with 2.5 range.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/30/technology/small-cells/index.htm?iid=EL
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Still waiting for picocells to pick up any kind of relative steam... They are not cheap to deploy overall widely...
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Its going to take time but sprint is doing a great job with LTE. Many spots in Minnesota with LTE and as soon as 3 weeks ago there was no LTE in Minnesota. So good job keep it up sprint.
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Depends on range. They are supposingly going with mini cells to help with 2.5 range.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/30/technology/small-cells/index.htm?iid=EL
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Still waiting for picocells to pick up any kind of relative steam... They are not cheap to deploy overall widely...
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Should read the comments there. Some idiots think they'll have to carry the antenna around with them.
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I can't seem to find a definitive answer to this, but I remember hearing something about it being accessible to both. Does anyone know for sure? This question has been driving me nuts lately.
From what I've read, no. Just wimax
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What is the point of having LTE on your phone if you can not use it?
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IIRC, the chip can handle LTE, but there's no LTE antenna.
Sprint is planing to roll out LTE, so it'd be cool if we could use it without having to buy a new phone.
LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
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Hope you don't wanna be inside and use it lol.
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Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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hell not even a stiff breeze, let a damn truck roll by the tower.... that'll block ur service for sure!
What new frequency does LightSquared run on? Because that'll be Sprint's frequency.
If Network Vision does what I hope it'll do, we might not have to worry about it as much.
I'm in one the fastest 4G areas Sprint has so I'm not too pressed about having LTE, yet.
At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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Its not the protocol to blame. lte at 2.5ghz would suck just as hard as wimax at 2.5ghz. Hopefully sprint uses thier iDen frequencies for lte instead....hell use wimax on 800mhz and thatd spank the crap we have now
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Sprint will run both wimax and lte on multi channel towers using 800, 1900, 2.5 providing the best capacity and performance
Currently Verizon only uses 700... While it's fast the 700 MHz frequencies are limited and it will not be able to scale even remotely close to what sprint will be able to achieve on all 3 bands
It's only a matter of time
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What I state is just a possabilty and not fact but IF Sprint made Nextel go bye-bye then they would have freed up the IDEN spectrum which is 800 mhz.... That would be a nice start for Sprint LTE. I presonally think Nextel's days are numbered anyway so this atleast has a chance of happening in the future.
The antenna issue
I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
This is not really sprint's fault!
As we all know Sprint operates on the WiMax band that is owned by Clearwire, now Clear is only using a fourth of its allotted spectrum and WiMax has the potential to be a lot faster and way more stable, unfortunately CLEAR has gone through some pretty rough financial woes that have halted its build out. WiMax just like any MMDS/LDS service is based on LOS (line of sight) and as much as Motorola denies it, it is simply a fact! Now I have the 3VO and can’t get a stable CINR in my house, but yet I have a Non Modified CLEAR modem and have a CINR of 16... What’s the deal ... the deal is that the Antenna and RF gain on these HTC WiMax devices suck bad!! Plus to top it off CLEAR has not even nearly completed its build out in many areas NYC, CHICAGO, ETC... Which make 4G on a 2-3DB Gain Smartphone near impossible in decent coverage areas. I have my primary Clear Modem modified with 2 MMDS 21db Grid antennas on the roof and my service screams 10MBDL/1.77UP ping of 47 and Cinr of 36 and I am .77 miles from the nearest tower, so it is not the WiMAX service as much as the coverage issues and poor antenna design. If CLEAR would open up more spectrum, WiMax can easily go to 99MBS DL as its wave 2 compliant and can handle that, it’s all up to the common carrier and its partner agreements... CLEAR Towers fed by Comcast (GAP/DAP) have always produced higher speeds for me.
But again Sprint got no control on your 4G service, that’s rented space for them, even though they have a 54% share hold on CLEAR.
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I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
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Assuming they shared an antenna which I dint think they do.
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If the chipset could go either way then I would ASSume that it would be a single antenna as it would set or one of the other... Scan for Wimax and then LTE... Which ever one present or has the better signal... connect to.
pretty sure none of the chipsets support LTE in the EVO3D. Dunno where you got that info from. The Qualcomm chipset in the Evo3D is the MSM8660 and from qualcomm's site that doesn't support LTE onboard. the only one is the new MSM90XX's and the MDM9600 which is what is in the VZ LTE phone.
The EVO3D has the SQN1210 WiMax chipset in it too so less you bypass that or reconfig that somehow i dont think its gonna happen. itll take some heavy dev'ing if its even possible, OR my info is somehow wrong and i missed something.
Clearwire says that, while they aren't abandoning wimax, they plan to add LTE Advanced technologies to their existing infrastructure. LTE Advanced, or "true" 4G according to the original 4G designation, allows for download speeds of over 100Mbps.
Not sure how they plan on affording it, but more power to them. I'd love to have a phone, and 4G network, that would download at speeds that high
http://www.androidcentral.com/clearwire-announces-plans-lte-advanced-network-still-committed-wimax
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
CheesyNutz said:
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
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Hahahaha, that's what I get for thinking about what I wanted to write...
would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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Wimax only, I'm pretty sure.
I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope so too. Just wondering where Clearwire is getting the money to do all this. I could have sworn that they were broke.
Clearwire is heading towards TD-LTE, later upgrading to LTE-Advanced. They are not immediately going towards the latter. Clearwire also didn't chose to use Sprint's Network Vision, short reason being negotiations tactic. Smart move though without Sprint's funding, they are not deploying this network. That subliminal jab at LS shows that they are tight about that move, so the saga continues.......
On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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Yeah, it makes me think that the desire for "LTE" is for nothing more than marketing...cuz WiMAX and LTE on the same frequencies will yield nearly identical results in practical application. I'm a bigger fan of the WiMAX protocol since it's essentially a burly version of WiFi which itself is a very mature protocol...though in everyday use (on the same frequencies, mind you) they have essentially the same results....I'm sure high-up tech guys at Clearwire (and Sprint for that matter) know all about this...and I'd hate to think that management-bloat is so pervasive at such large companies that technical merit would lose out versus some marketoid who thinks that LTE (regardless of implementation) is obvious the thing we need--even if for nothing more than the ability to say the letters L, T and E in advertising.....but perhaps I'm being idealistic.
...but it sure seems like that. WiMAX on Verizons spectrum would spank the **** out of LTE on Sprint/Clearwire's spectrum....the protocol is nearly a moot point...but that really seems lost on these people. I mean, even as a stop-gap measure this seems utterly pointless except for marketing...
This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
4g is basically useless around Detroit.
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
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I have had the epic since it came out, bought this retail. And still no 4G around me at all! No where near me! Its all the way up in Grand Rapids! There is absolutely no 4G in michigan! I doubt they will have 4G where I live by end of year. And where I live everyone has sprint or verizon! A lot of sprint users! And verizon has 4g lte everywhere around me! they have it everywhere in michigan too! I read sprint has like 68 wimax markets in usa, vzw has more just in MI. SMH sprint, smh!
If people can't tell the difference between WiMax limit of 5MHz, to Clear using 20MHz towards their LTE, then this conversation is dead in the water. It's no comparison when it comes to speeds, and I was already a witness to their real life speeds. Indoor signal should be a little bit better, but 2.5MHz is 2.5MHz. As of right now, Sprint and Clearwire only have a deal on the table for WiMax, which isn't moving. They are not a part of Sprint's Network Vision, so this news doesn't have nothing to do with Sprint and it's subscribers. Sprint is still the only one who didn't officially announce the switch to LTE, and they are dealing with a broke company who can't fend for themselves. They need to completely buy Clearwire before it's too late.
I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
I'm not sure if HTC is going to make an Evo LTE. They are usually first with this stuff and it seems like the Galaxy Nexus will be the first Sprint LTE device. Still, there is the possibility of an Evo LTE.
if all that happens, and we get to keep our unlimited data plans ill be forever joyful
after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone.
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Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Right.
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Cool. So I'll be able to change phones at the end of my two year contract. Awesome.
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I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
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Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
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Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
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I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
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I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Here's the rebuttal
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/01/sprint-and-clearwire-ink-new-4g-wimax-and-lte-agreement/
Now where is the fact the OP got? That's right, a "friend". He is full of ****
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This is from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint.....
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And the world is gonna end December 21,2012.....no LTE for anyone
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Jayavarman said:
Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
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+ 10000000000 that's what I was gonna say noobs lol
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Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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can i haz Q1 roadmap/training documents plz?
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Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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No, You are wrong. They will not run Tri-mode. Though Sprint did mention at the CES that there is a Sierra Wireless Tri-Network Hotspot device that will work with 3G/Wimax/Lte.
"The new tri-network (CDMA, WiMAX, LTE) mobile hotspot offers that for data-hungry customers. Owen said that tri-network phones are cost prohibitive, so it will offer CDMA/WiMax and CDMA/LTE devices at the same time as it completes its transition from WiMax to LTE 4G networking technologies. " - source: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/ne....com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=21930619=3475
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Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Wrong again. Sprint has stated many times they are committed to supporting WiMax THROUGH 2015.
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luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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no offense but you also are wrong as previously noted by another poster in regards to tri-mode stuff. Hotspot device is the only one that will be "tri-band."
And all the info about the Sprint Nexus was mentioned at/during CES so you being an employee has nothing to do with it really.
From what I understand...
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
Raghnall said:
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
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One thing your wrong about is that it wont be ALL towers getting the network vision upgrade. BUT the ones that dont get it will NOT be used any more. Part of NetworkVision is eliminating some towers for them completely.
Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
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Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
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Sprint isn't, but Clear probably is.
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Apparently some GNex users in Athens, GA have a live LTE tower... Let's hope this holds up...
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
Rydah805 said:
It runs like what you speak of. Not only a gsm thing. My dads verizon Droid Razr works same way too.
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Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
OMG... That's even faster than my router.
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JaY iZz BaKk said:
Hmm so you have to search for it on Verizon LTE devices as well?!
It is most likely a placebo but I never use 4G because of the fact I feel as if it is like a wifi that can go away or weaken in reception depending on where I go...I like the GSM way of handling 3.5G/4G
*I have had T-Mobile for 6 years, just currently switched to a iPhone 4S with sprint in January...regretting it :|
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No, LOL. It auto switches and connects like 1x and 3g do... That iPhone is probably the issue though.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
ncfastls1 said:
5 mbps down on CDMA? Good luck. Sprint isn't just upgrading to LTE. They are doing a huge overhaul of their 3G network using lots of options including massively improved backhaul. From the speed tests I've seen in network vision areas so far, their 3G network should be on par with verizons network as far as speed goes. Coverage will be improved by about 20% as well. I agree they should upgrade to EVDO revision B, although I'm not sure what upgrades would be involved in that.
Back on the topic of the first post though, hot damn. I know speeds will drop once more people start using it, but those are impressive initial results.
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From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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yousefak said:
Great question... With 4G, it didn't even feel like a mobile data connection... Hopefully LTE auto-searches and quickly connects while using the same or less battery.
Also, everyone, the 30mb/s won't stay for long... Once more towers are active and more lte phones are available, which is probably this summer, speeds will be down again.
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That is the reason that Sprint is only advertising speeds on LTE just below what Verizon is advertising. For the most part people in unsaturated markets will see speeds exceeding 20Mbps down on a good day. And those speeds may even hold up that high once Sprint starts releasing LTE on 800MHz next year as well. And according to some stuff that people have gotten access to, Sprint will be setting up phones to dynamically switch between LTE on 800, 1900, & 2500 so as to keep cell sites from being over-burdened. It will be a while before Sprint's LTE starts to suffer from over-crowding.
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mike.r.olson said:
Personally, I believe Sprint is going the wrong way with their plans for their mobile network. Now, before you discredit this post, hear me out...
Sprint is the #3 carrier in the US. There is absolutely no way they'll be able to trade blows with AT&T or Verizon as far as their mobile network or subscriber base. They will always be playing catch up to those two and even T-Mobile with their HSPA+ network. Now, here's where I believe Sprint should go:
Do the initial roll-out of LTE as they have announced. Immediately begin switching their network from EV-DO revision A to revision B and start focusing on their 3G network. I honestly believe that Sprint would be better served if they could provide a consistent high-speed 3G network; even more-so than they would be if they begin moving away from WiMAX and toward LTE. LTE should be in the cards, however I believe if they were able to upgrade their 3G network (which would be supported by ALL of their current phones) and start promoting the nation's only 3G network with 5Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up and the strongest voice network in America, they'd be in better shape in a year than where they will be if they continue their current plans.
Just my 2 cents. Anybody have any thoughts?
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Sprint last fall flat out stated that they are not going to roll out EV-DO B. Network Vision will max out the capabilities of EV-DO A while they roll-out LTE on 1900 and 800. After that is complete and LTE Advanced is rolling out, they will be able to start taking existing 1900 EV-DO carriers and transition them to LTE as well. I expect that eventually, EV-DO will be phased out for a completely IP-based voice network using VoLTE. And Sprint is even releasing some devices with SVDO on EV-DO A so you can talk and surf at the same time until LTE is covering their entire network footprint.
JaY iZz BaKk said:
oh boy, until this comes to NY..
A question about LTE....is it like the terrible WiMax where you have to search for it as if its some type of wifi? or is it like GSM LTE/HSPA, it just appears when you are normally connected to data?
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Looking at the viper 4g lte options it seems there is no "on-off" setting for 4g lte. Looks like it will just be there. My area doesn't have lte yet so I can't be positive but I definately could not find a 4g setting of any kind
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I'll say it over and over again. Sprint doesn't have a 4G network. Also, Verizon has 50+M down and 12+M up
Then again, at this point in time who needs more than 3-4M down. just upgrade to rev-b and done.
This is a common thing for my WiMAX at the house but WiMAX is so freaking glitchy.
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This is typical WiMAX in my area.
1900mhz is going to be set up 5x5, but no confirmation if 800 and 2.5 will be set up on 5x5 though. More than likely they will be set up on 10x10 since there is a ****load more spectrum on there, especially 2.5GHz. There is 120mhz of spectrum in the 2.5GHz frequency that Clearwire owns.
mike.r.olson said:
From the little bit I've read about EV-DO revision B, it wouldn't involve any hardware upgrades. It would only involve a "firmware upgrade", if I remember it correctly. But yeah, 30+ Mb/s down is pretty sick. Even after "full-spectrum saturation", if we could get 10Mb/s in half of their 3G footprint, I'd be satisfied.
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and yet a year later i am gettn 38 mbs down
So we all know Sprint's rolling out LTE on 1900 MHZ, or close to it.
I had a Photon last summmer and their awful WiMax service (at around 2400-2500 MHZ). I couldn't get it inside and it had a hard time following me in a moving car.
I know have a corporate device, a Droid 4 on VZW. Their LTE network is immaculate in Atlanta, GA. Inside, outside, you name it. In my home, I get 2-3 bars 3G on Sprint (EVOLTE) and 3-4 bars VZW LTE.
I have a sneaking suspicion when they flip the switch in Atlanta, their LTE coverage will pale in comparison. Here's hopin' I'm wrong.
(And of course, when Sprint gets their 800 MHZ old iDEN frequencies fired up for LTE, our shiny new EVOs won't connect - they lack the radio).
Thoughts welcome.
I guess I actually had the opposite experience here in Austin, TX.
When I go inside big retail stores (ie, Target, Costco, Sams, etc) my 3G experience was miserable but my WiMax was perfect. Had the same experience at home as well. This was with my OG Evo.
My 3G experience with the EVO LTE has been great. Much better service and faster speeds. Time will tell what LTE brings to the table.
I doubt you will have your evo when lte is on 800 MHz. That's like 3 years from now.
i will take 40 gigs a month of ok 3g/lte vs limited crazy fast data that i burn through in a week and then worry about overages for the next 3 weeks
I have never used the WiMax on my OG(well once on vacation and the battery went dead in 30 min). It isnt offered in my area. I don't think I will ever use my LTE on my LTE. It won't be offered in my area. I will still have a sweet phone and unlimited data.
hockeyman12c said:
I doubt you will have your evo when lte is on 800 MHz. That's like 3 years from now.
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Not quite 3 think they plan to roll it out beginning of 2014. If srgt or someone else can confirm this awesome. But 20 month upgrade means new phones before then lol
jayman907 said:
I have never used the WiMax on my OG(well once on vacation and the battery went dead in 30 min). It isnt offered in my area. I don't think I will ever use my LTE on my LTE. It won't be offered in my area. I will still have a sweet phone and unlimited data.
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LTE are to be in all areas that sprint is current serving up 3g you will get it
The 1900 Mhz LTE won't be as penetrating as Verizon's into buildings, but it will be about 25-30% better than WiMax for that.
With regards to WiMax in a car, the protocol for WiMax was not smooth from a transition standpoint going from tower to tower, the different protocols for LTE won't have that same problem.
We will see how it all shakes out, don't know if there is a benefit to being pessimistic though.
ckoadiyn said:
Not quite 3 think they plan to roll it out beginning of 2014. If srgt or someone else can confirm this awesome. But 20 month upgrade means new phones before then lol
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Ur right for the most part....but expect to see some lit up next year even...
As always follow S4GRU.com for info on network stuff...
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I'm guessing "MOST" of the EVO LTE that our in our hands won't even see LTE, unless its with the 2nd owner.
shook187 said:
I'm guessing "MOST" of the EVO LTE that our in our hands won't even see LTE, unless its with the 2nd owner.
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That's asinine. Unless you're planning on selling your phone in the next six months, there will be LOTS of current users on LTE. Look at the schedule, man.
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atlgator said:
So we all know Sprint's rolling out LTE on 1900 MHZ, or close to it.
I had a Photon last summmer and their awful WiMax service (at around 2400-2500 MHZ). I couldn't get it inside and it had a hard time following me in a moving car.
I know have a corporate device, a Droid 4 on VZW. Their LTE network is immaculate in Atlanta, GA. Inside, outside, you name it. In my home, I get 2-3 bars 3G on Sprint (EVOLTE) and 3-4 bars VZW LTE.
I have a sneaking suspicion when they flip the switch in Atlanta, their LTE coverage will pale in comparison. Here's hopin' I'm wrong.
(And of course, when Sprint gets their 800 MHZ old iDEN frequencies fired up for LTE, our shiny new EVOs won't connect - they lack the radio).
Thoughts welcome.
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return the phone and stick to your photon then.... no one is forcing you to go lte.
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swaze said:
return the phone and stick to your photon then.... no one is forcing you to go lte.
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There, there. Easy killer.
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atlgator said:
There, there. Easy killer.
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You revived a old thread just to say that?
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I get 3G on Sprint everywhere, even in my basement and that is the same frequency. It will be fine. One bar of LTE is enough for pretty much everything so not sure what the big deal is.
shook187 said:
You revived a old thread just to say that?
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You sustained the thread just to say that?
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