http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
That is great news. Thanks for posting.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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I doubt the OP will keep his phone for the rest of his life and neither are you so who cares if we have wimax phones now. Its called progress and lets face it when was the last time you heard anything about new wimax deployment? It seems like its every week to every other week you hear verizon expanding coverage or adding new cities that now have 4g. Sprint gambled and it didn't quite work out as expected so who cares at this point as long as there is something positive to look forward to in the future.
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^This...
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This means absolutely nothing.( i guess not absolutely nothing but its not the end all solution)
Just b/c they likely get LTE doesn't make it better at all than WiMax.
Those uneducated in the matter should take some time to read up some around here and the web and you'll learn that the reason WiMax in its current state with Sprint/Clearwire is the way it is b/c of a few things, one being the power the units use to get signal(hence wimax modems get better signal b/c they not running on battery like us) and the freq WiMax is placed on.
If they were to take LTE and swap out WiMax on the same freq we would all have the same issues as we do today, end of story.
We really need to understand that its not LTE vs WiMax its more about how the tech is implemented and such. VZ gets better coverage b/c its LTE is sitting on 700MHz channels so the building penetration is much better than the freq sprint/clear use 2.5GHz.
4G will get 10x better in the future once sprints network upgrade is rolled out and they have time to improve it. many options for them wether it be dual LTE/WiMax, or straight WiMax but using wider channel bandwidth and lower frequency. whatever it is it will get better, BUT it wont be just b/c its LTE or WiMax, itll be because of how its implemented.
also its been reported that this deal was done awhile ago. Sprint just reported earnings so its in there too now is all.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/07/28/sprint-confirms-4g-lte-deal-with-lightsquared/
They have signed the formal agreement!! Looks like we have some LTE Evo to look forward to!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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I don't know why you are so damn happy about this when you own a WiMax phone...
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LMAO!!! IF they are going to offer LTE on 5hz stepping its not going to be any better than WiMax... I am waiting for Clearwires 20hz step LTE ... now thats speed to be excited about!
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If they don't repurpose their iDen 800mHz frequencies to LTE then it really doesn't matter, it'll still suck hard if not harder. I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
... Unless it has something to do with Clear.... Patents, licensing, agreements etc.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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I think WiMax is the better protocol... Why not also transmit WiMax on the iDen frequencies instead? That would kick ass.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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already started phasing out iDen btw. part of sprint vision network upgrades. new devices will use the new cdma version and i think nextel subs have till like 2013 or maybe later to move over. think first few phones to support it are due out later this year.
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WiMax isn't provisioned for the lower freq at this time, unlike LTE. Dunno why this is or how that happened but it would take tests and FCC approval to put it on lower freq from what ive read.
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Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong, (which I thought I was)
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I thought they were gonna use lightsquareds spectrum which is better then what Wimax uses 1500s
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Apparently its to drive standardization and costs down by using the licensed spectrum profiles. Also, 700mhz bands might be viable in the future.
And as a clarification for my first post: why are you so happy about this when this could be 1-3 years (i'm thinking at least 2.5+) from being in a phone? Also, doesn't litesquared have problems with it interfering with gps?
Edit: fixing first paragraph cuz I was wrong
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares 4g lte network if they want in the future...
Obviously yall didnt read much when it says CLEARLY its for capacity, and MAYBE future use if needed... smh, you guys think were gonna get off scott free straight to LTE, not a chance... the design goes like this... Agreement between LS and sprint for LS to deploy 4g LTE over "sprint spectrum" with 3g roaming.... Sprint gains access to 4g lte for capacity and possible future deployment if needed with satellite spectrum buying access, if LS decides to sell Lband spectrum. this gives sprint cash (8 bill) and the agreement is like 15 years.... this about sums up that article.
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they did have GPS problems but the deal states that they are allowed to test their LTE on sprints network spectrum which will eliminate their issue evidently. Also allows lightsquare to roam on sprints 3G network and gives sprint the option to buy 50% of lightsquares spectrum if they want in the future...(guess that last part is if lightsquare can get their gps issues fixed on their spectrum)
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Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
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WiMax is a simple protocol, basically just like your Wifi Router with Mac Access Control On on a different frequency.... Now there is nothing wrong with the 2496 - 2696 Mhz ban Clear uses except for the way Clear has laid it out, the wattage power Clears Towers are using and limited towers, back in the day the same exact frequency was used for Wireless Cable, MMDS can work from site to site for miles with excellent signal with only one tower center at the World Trade Center. Lots of compnies use LDS/MMDS to broadcast site to site data communications.
Unfortunately all these clear devices/sprint devices have small gain antennas which really hurt its ability to get inside large buildings.. The iDen Public Safety band would be an awesome idea, but I highly doubt you would ever see that happen as the Direct Connect feature is still highly used here in America and also in other countries and they all operate on the same frequency. If Sprint Nextel wasnt in such a $$$$ crunch, you would have seen a huge iDen network across the world. But I agree with you that sprint should use that band for data .. would be very interesting..
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I'm pretty sure Sprint is phasing out Nextel. I work IT for our city and our Public Safety officers all use Nextel phones. Over the past 6 months or so, call quality on these phones has gone to complete ****. We are slowly moving our users over to Sprint phones. Most don't use the Direct Connect feature, but a couple have complained about losing it.
My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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I wouldn't worry about it until your next upgrade is due...
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My question is, with this LTE announcement, what will happen with the existing 4G Phones?
A simple OTA will fix this?
When will this start?
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Article states roll out in 2014. I don't think WiMax will go anywhere in the meantime.
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Well as many EVO users know there is a distinct possibility (probability) that Sprint will be getting out of the WiMax game at some point in the next couple of years and joining the LTE bandwagon. Of course, it's a simple switch to make on their end as it only requires a firmware update, however on the phone's end it is not quite that simple.
Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of the 3D having a dual mode chip? I would like to hang on to this next phone for a while and I'm hoping we won't be saddled with only 2.5 ghz spectrum wimax (the spectrum is also something I'm curious about with the former nextel bands' uncertain future).
Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Can you explain why Wimax is so bad.
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That's a very blunt way of phrasing the question but I'll do my best:
WiMax in and of itself is not necessarily "bad", but to sum it up, Clearwire (who Sprint has partnered with in its 4G endeavors) is pretty well tanking, and I believe that LTE is the superior standard if you base it solely on tech specs. Add to this the fact that LTE has become the de-facto standard via its adoption by ATT & VZW.
Other complicating factors are the fact that Sprint's 2.5 Ghz spectrum has well-known issues with building penetration, the fact that the 800Mhz former nextel spectrum would be a good candidate for rolling out LTE and having better service, the fact that LTE (supposedly) lends itself better to carrier control (ie not in favor of net neutrality) and probably some others, and the fact that sprint has itself said it is investigating the possibility of going LTE, it doesnt even really matter if WiMax is "bad" because it's probably going to happen one way or another.
Wimax 2 might hold promise but I honestly am already over my head here and I'm saying I don't want to be stuck with a phone that overtly clashes with Sprint's 4G vision of the future.
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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Just to clarify, I believe Wimax actually isn't the problem, if it were deployed on a lower spectrum it would have comparable signal penetration.
IF sprint switches to lte (hope not) then it won't be soon enough to worry about with the evo 3d, you will undoubtably upgrade your phone in that time, unless you can withhold the temptation to buy quadcore superphones next year
Project leapfrog is in the works for sprint. Meaning, they're coonverting to LTE by 2013. Which, in theory, means the Evo 3D will NOT have LTE capabilities because it'll be most likely another year or two before you start seeing LTE on Sprints network.
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Wimax is more efficient than LTE, it's the spectrum they are using that is hurting them. I doubt it will be but the Evo was the first 4G phone out so it would make sense. Even if it's unused when the phone is released.
The Evo is ready for Wimax2 (real 4G) and I don't think the standard hasn't even been finalized yet.
Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint was already testing lte in phoenix . They also dont need to aquire any new frequency as they are getting rid of the iden - nextel really soon and will probably use that as wimax or lte if they choose it . Iden was in the 700 mhz range and will give a much better coverage
I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
Rakeesh_j said:
I somewhat doubt they'd do 700mhz WiMax. The reason I say that is because WiMax is an IEEE standard, specifically 802.16m, and they specified profiles at 2.3ghz, 2.5ghz, and 3.5ghz.
Clear isn't there just to provide services to sprint, Clear is there to be a broadband provider. That said, they're going to be working with devices that follow the IEEE spec.
It's possible they'd do 700mhz, but unlikely.
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Sprint doesn't have anything in the 700MHz area last I checked. They didn't win the auction when it was held.
sprint has 806 MHz to 824 MHz and 851 MHz to 869 MHz bands. http://www.accedian.com/blog/news/sprint-vacated-iden-spectrum/
"There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost." -per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
Regardless of what they own you are right in that Spring/Clearwire cant just wake up and decide to deploy WiMax on a lower Freq that they own b/c at this point in time its flat out not provisioned for it. However I have no clue as to how hard/easy it would be to get such a provision so anything is possible.
The thing with LTE is its provisioned across all freq bands defined for UMTS, which typically consist of 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz. per http://www.pixaware.com/LTE and WiMAX Comparison-TejasBhandare.pdf
I personally speculate that they will go the dual route b/c WiMax has its advantages over LTE in its own areas.
I understand that but I know that clear does what sprint says since they own more than 50% . Sprint will do something with the band width that nextel was using and it looks like the test in phoenix was good. I would not think they would go dual but its only software its easy to go from wimax to lte and so forth but I think it would send the wrong message if they did it . Should be interesting whatever they do . But I bet they use the nextel bandwidth to implement lte
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you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
I was saying that lte was better than wimax . They tested it in phoenix and got over 70 mbps . But some say wimax 2 is coming and such . It is never ending just like fios and cable . It will always be a search for speed . But right now you can google sprint and lte test in phoenix . may be the way they are going
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darkraiderfan said:
you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Yea but by the time they roll that out, they will probably be working on upgrades to lte. It will be a never ending battle. Someone is always gonna have the upper hand for half a year.
darkraiderfan said:
you said LTE is being adopted by att and verizon...its actually ONLY being taken by verizon. att is hspa+, just like tmobile. and hspa+24 is faster than LTE actually, and that will be rolling out in less than a year. so LTE isnt the best.
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Wrong
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/4g-lte.jsp
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._accelerated_plans_for_4g_lte_deployment.html
nubsors said:
Can anyone explain why Sprint is expanding it's Wimax offering if they are going to be changing it in 2 years?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704004004576271523786624948.html
Interesting read sort of gives some insight about what Sprint may be angling for. If the problem with Wimax is the frequency that sprint is using, perhaps their acquiring new frequencies fixes the problem?
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Sprint isn't doing anything. They don't have a 4g network. They lease it from clear (they are majority owners).
i agree with what others have said, the problem with clear's wimax network is the 2.5Ghz spectrum it runs on.
Wimax is open source, it's theoretically cheaper to build than LTE, but i haven't heard of clear expanding the coverage fast as verizon and tmobile.
Here's to all of you The EVO 3D might have compatability woe Wimax R2 or the 802e/m which will destroy LTE in speed and No Sprint will not switch over its to much money
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Well it's spectrum isn't effective at structure penetration. Built up cities like NY have a lot of problems with getting signal on one block, then losing it the next "sort of thing". LTE's lower frequency would eliminate some of that issue.
I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm avoiding saying anything about LTE being faster because we need to give it time, once enough people load down the network, itll be a wrap.
Also, Sprint/Clearwire were testing a new format that utilized LTE/WiMax combined with a real world data throughput of somewhere around 70-80Mbs. Why would you not want that?
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I have LTE, yea and it is as flaky if not more or less than wimax, trust me I was just browsing the 3d forums to see when it will be released or so and the rumors.
AT home I get constant dropouts in LTE, hell I cant even get a constant signal, and walk 100 meters out in the open and I get great LTE coverage. While I have a laptop with built in wimax module and I got free thirty days and I get a constant connection and great coverage. I have never lost connection.
LTE is faster but seriously after 3mb down it all becomes pointless unless you are using your phone for home internet and need a lot of traffic, for a phone a connection at 2-3mb constant is plenty fast.
My wimax module gets me 3-5mb consistently at my house, I have never seen it go below.
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Why? If you have an upgrade now use it. It will be some time before it will be operational and have phones for it.
Considering how "fast" wimax deployment was, you could get the 3D without much risk, IMO.
If they just signed the delivery expect it to be a while before the conversion even starts and the even longer before they start hitting anything but very large markets
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My city is always one of the first to get new networks. Austin, TX. We have Dell, IBM, Intel, Google, and AMD all with large offices here, I assume that's why.
But yeah I think I should be good waiting and getting the Evo 3D
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I knew wimax was a stupid move, no surprise.
Thank God, screw verizon
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And they picked the LTE service that has huge problems with GPS interference, how awesome!!
Arbron said:
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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You're speculating that it will have better building penetration, because we don't know what frequency band it will be initially launched on.
Right now, Sprint has access to the 2.5ghz band, where WiMax sits. If sprint uses it for an initial launch, building penetration won't be any better then with WiMax.
You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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I'm pretty sure in the deal Sprint is providing the network. That's the main thing that's in it for Lightsquared.
I like Wimax. LTE will just be a bonus. Wimax does a great job as is.
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I too like Wimax, but I think LTE has greater long term potential. I am glad that Sprint is investing in LTE.
Arbron said:
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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I dont have time right now to search for ya but jump into the Evo4G general forum and search clearwire and read up a lot there.
LTE is NOT better than WiMax and vice versa. Its all about the network and how the tech is deployed to us. You put LTE on the same towers as WiMax is right now and same freq, then you will end up with the exact same problems we all have right now with WiMax.
That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
its all about tower placement and freq and combination of the two.
Since your new, you should search around and read up on Sprints Project Leapfrog(Network Vision Upgrade) that is underway and will be better for Sprint and all of us.
Upgrade every year.. no worries. LTE wont hit the market in the next few months.. i dont expect to see it in the next 6 months. The E3D will do you just fine till a LTE phone is avail, and by then, your going to want to get the next best phone out anyways.
enjoy the phone or whatever phone you choose to go with.
Here is a good article about Wimax and LTE:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/060710-tech-argument-lte-wimax.html
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That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
Edit: I've just taken a peek at the tentative agenda, and the actual june meeting, and it wasn't there. July 12th the next meeting.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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Bwahahahahaha!! You right, but you're speculating that we're speculating that you're speculating that we're speculating on what Sprint's speculating!
It seems no one really knows what's going on ... That includes Sprint! Did I just speculate again?
Ahah, found something definitive. According to this article I just found it seems they are indeed planning to switch to LTE. So now I just wonder what the benefits of LTE over WiMAX are? Bit for bit WiMAX is more efficient so it's not that.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/fcc-consider-proposal-could-boost-clearwire-network-speeds/2011-05-23
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
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Yeah, I found it completely odd that no blog or anyone else mentioned anything about the stuff after the date came and went with nothing big announced at all so I ended up emailing the FCC Press Secretary, Office of the Chairman Neil Derek Grace. He looked into the specific agenda item which i found odd to be on the pre-prelim agenda and then when the next prelim agenda for that meeting was released it was not on there at all and no notice of its removal b/c it wasn't the actual prelim agenda right before the mtg.
Here is what I wrote him:
According to the tentative agenda http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0519/DOC-306766A1.pdf the June 9th meeting was supposed to go over the following:
"Wider Channel Bandwidths FNPRM: An FNPRM seeking comment on a proposal which may permit operators to use spectrum more efficiently by enabling the use of wider channel bandwidths for the provision of broadband services in the Broadband Radio Service (BRS) and the Educational Broadband Service (EBS)."
Is there a reason this was dropped from the agenda suddenly and when will this issue get addressed?
Best Regards,
Jase S.
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Here are the two quotes from Neil in regards to the issue.
"Hi Jase - this was voted on between the preminary notice and the meeting, which is why it wasn't on the final agenda. "
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"Hi Jase –
Yes, this is routine. If an item is voted on before the meeting, it’s removed from the agenda because it no longer needs to be considered. It was voted & adopted on 5/24 and released on 5/27. If you want to look at the docket for results – it’s item 11-81.
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Now I looked for that through the FCC site through their search but couldn't find it b/c the results were nothing near what I wanted it seemed. In the end I figured he was right as it took him a few days to get me an official answer on it. His first response was for me to hang while he looked into it.
Though if you find anything different to conflict with that let me know and ill be sure to shoot the guy back and see whats up.
I can't seem to find a definitive answer to this, but I remember hearing something about it being accessible to both. Does anyone know for sure? This question has been driving me nuts lately.
From what I've read, no. Just wimax
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What is the point of having LTE on your phone if you can not use it?
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IIRC, the chip can handle LTE, but there's no LTE antenna.
Sprint is planing to roll out LTE, so it'd be cool if we could use it without having to buy a new phone.
LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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LTE will suck as much if not more than WiMax. The frequencies are to blame, not the protocol, so, I wouldn't sweat it.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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Where I'm at, LTE is getting 4x the speed of my WiMAX right now. So, it'd benefit me.
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Hope you don't wanna be inside and use it lol.
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Not LTE on sprint frequencies... verizon has kickass 700mHz frequencies for LTE that can actually penetrate buildings...sprints 2.5gHz frequencies suck so much that a stiff breeze can ruin your connection.
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hell not even a stiff breeze, let a damn truck roll by the tower.... that'll block ur service for sure!
What new frequency does LightSquared run on? Because that'll be Sprint's frequency.
If Network Vision does what I hope it'll do, we might not have to worry about it as much.
I'm in one the fastest 4G areas Sprint has so I'm not too pressed about having LTE, yet.
At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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At my house, I usually get around 4-5mbps when I'm outside. Inside, maybe 2-3mbps. A friend from work pulled 22mpbs from inside the office on Verizon LTE.
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Its not the protocol to blame. lte at 2.5ghz would suck just as hard as wimax at 2.5ghz. Hopefully sprint uses thier iDen frequencies for lte instead....hell use wimax on 800mhz and thatd spank the crap we have now
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Sprint will run both wimax and lte on multi channel towers using 800, 1900, 2.5 providing the best capacity and performance
Currently Verizon only uses 700... While it's fast the 700 MHz frequencies are limited and it will not be able to scale even remotely close to what sprint will be able to achieve on all 3 bands
It's only a matter of time
Sprint 800mhz
What I state is just a possabilty and not fact but IF Sprint made Nextel go bye-bye then they would have freed up the IDEN spectrum which is 800 mhz.... That would be a nice start for Sprint LTE. I presonally think Nextel's days are numbered anyway so this atleast has a chance of happening in the future.
The antenna issue
I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
This is not really sprint's fault!
As we all know Sprint operates on the WiMax band that is owned by Clearwire, now Clear is only using a fourth of its allotted spectrum and WiMax has the potential to be a lot faster and way more stable, unfortunately CLEAR has gone through some pretty rough financial woes that have halted its build out. WiMax just like any MMDS/LDS service is based on LOS (line of sight) and as much as Motorola denies it, it is simply a fact! Now I have the 3VO and can’t get a stable CINR in my house, but yet I have a Non Modified CLEAR modem and have a CINR of 16... What’s the deal ... the deal is that the Antenna and RF gain on these HTC WiMax devices suck bad!! Plus to top it off CLEAR has not even nearly completed its build out in many areas NYC, CHICAGO, ETC... Which make 4G on a 2-3DB Gain Smartphone near impossible in decent coverage areas. I have my primary Clear Modem modified with 2 MMDS 21db Grid antennas on the roof and my service screams 10MBDL/1.77UP ping of 47 and Cinr of 36 and I am .77 miles from the nearest tower, so it is not the WiMAX service as much as the coverage issues and poor antenna design. If CLEAR would open up more spectrum, WiMax can easily go to 99MBS DL as its wave 2 compliant and can handle that, it’s all up to the common carrier and its partner agreements... CLEAR Towers fed by Comcast (GAP/DAP) have always produced higher speeds for me.
But again Sprint got no control on your 4G service, that’s rented space for them, even though they have a 54% share hold on CLEAR.
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I'm talking out my ass here as this is not a strong point for me BUT some guys I know are big into HAM radio and they use generic antennas to transmit and receive across a wide range of frequencies… So in theory and please I welcome someone blowing me up on this… So long as the Evo 3D transceiver chipset can set for either LTE or WiMAX as some have said it can be then the antenna should not matter so much… It would just be up the chipset to switch modes.
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Assuming they shared an antenna which I dint think they do.
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If the chipset could go either way then I would ASSume that it would be a single antenna as it would set or one of the other... Scan for Wimax and then LTE... Which ever one present or has the better signal... connect to.
pretty sure none of the chipsets support LTE in the EVO3D. Dunno where you got that info from. The Qualcomm chipset in the Evo3D is the MSM8660 and from qualcomm's site that doesn't support LTE onboard. the only one is the new MSM90XX's and the MDM9600 which is what is in the VZ LTE phone.
The EVO3D has the SQN1210 WiMax chipset in it too so less you bypass that or reconfig that somehow i dont think its gonna happen. itll take some heavy dev'ing if its even possible, OR my info is somehow wrong and i missed something.
Today’s Sprint strategy meeting revealed a significant amount of information about the future of the Now Network. Sprint has began the rollout of its new network and the rapid deployment of LTE on their 800 and 1900MHz frequencies. In fact, the “Network Vision” deployment is going so well that Sprint is expecting to be completely finished by the of end of 2013, rather than the speculated 3 to 5 years.
Sprint is investing $4 to $5 billion into “Network Vision,” with an expected net return of $10 to $11 billion by 2017. Sprint is expecting to launch it’s first LTE device by mid-2012 (posibly an LTE EVO device) and close the year with 15 LTE devices in it’s lineup. The agreement between Clearwire and Sprint is set expire at the end of 2012. Sprint will sell WiMax devices all the way through til the end of 2012, but support for WiMax devices will continue for an unspecified period beyond 2012.
Sprint is progressively turning over the Nextel 800MHz spectrum for use on CDMA. The 800 and 1900MHz spectra are owned and operated by Sprint, and will provide for voice, data, and 4G as per “Network Vision.” Pending FCC approval due to GPS interference, LightSquared’s 1600MHz spectrum will also be used exclusively for LTE on Sprint, in addition to the 800 and 1900MHz frequencies. There are no plans to use Clearwire or their 2.5GHz spectrum after 2012. However, Sprint is waiting to see what happens with their network change to LTE.
Many of you have numerous questions such as: “Why is LightSquared paying Sprint to use their LTE network?”, “Where is Sprint getting the money to invest in “Network Vision?”, “What is going to happen to my WiMax device?”, or “How does this effect me?” Keep reading for answers to all these questions.
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....“What is going to happen to my WiMax device?...
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I don't think you answered this one or maybe I missed it...so basically after 2012 if you still have a wimax device you may or may not have access to a wimax network. That sound right?
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I don't think you answered this one or maybe I missed it...so basically after 2012 if you still have a wimax device you may or may not have access to a wimax network. That sound right?
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yes that is about as close to right as your going to get right now as they neither confirmed nor denied anything past 2012. Just that they would support wiMax till then. Nothing saying that they wouldn't or would support it after.
The interesting thing with WiMax is that it is in the spectrum holding 2.5GHz that was not once brought up during the meeting/presentation.
This leaves many possibilities for the future and all comes down to how Sprint and Clearwire decide to proceed further wether it be WiMax2 or TDD LTE or convert that part to just doing major backhaul work, OR they could attempt to sell it off. The last one I mention is a little redic imho as it would be silly to do away with that much spectrum they own there as they could easily make good use of it in a number of ways.
The fact that they tried to sell the 800MHz blocks(which they mentioned again in the meeting) is also beyond me but I have herd that the amount of spectrum they hold there makes putting LTE there a little reach b/c the amount of blocks owned is so small they couldn't really have much speed there. Thats just what ive herd, never too the time to look up the amount of blocks in the 800MHz they own personally though.
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I don't think you answered this one or maybe I missed it...so basically after 2012 if you still have a wimax device you may or may not have access to a wimax network. That sound right?
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I addressed it. Dan said wimax devices will be supported much longer after 2012. That guaranteed
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I addressed it. Dan said wimax devices will be supported much longer after 2012. That guaranteed
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I listened to the whole thing and i am pretty sure he didn't say "...much longer after 2012..."
He or whoever did the majority of the network talk said "we will support WiMax up to 2012."
Big difference there in the two.
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I listened to the whole thing and i am pretty sure he didn't say "...much longer after 2012..."
He or whoever did the majority of the network talk said "we will support WiMax up to 2012."
Big difference there in the two.
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You need to listen again then. Actually 2:19:00 minutes in. start there, then come at me bro.
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You need to listen again then. Actually 2:19:00 minutes in. start there, then come at me bro.
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Yeah he said they will ship devices WiMax devices till 2012 but they have no news on anything past 2012 in regards to Clearwire. Said that they obviously would support wimax devices for a time after 2012 since selling them till 2012 is the plan.
Now whats interesting is they said in the Q&A they said they can use their own network till 2014 and with lightsquare they can take it to 2015, and they don't know anything or have anything announced for after that. So leaves a big door open for clearwire and tdd-lte which they continued to run away from the possibility in the questioning.
With that I'd take it as No more WiMax after 2015 at the latest. just an opinion by myself there though.
So when is 1x advanced rolling out? It seems like the easiest park of their plan
If wimax is only supported untilled 2015 then there is nothing to worry about. Who would own a 4 g phone longer than two years? No point in keeping it past contract.
boom!! from my shooter
Exactly wimax will be gone by 2015
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As long as they are ambitious in rolling out LTE, then thank God for getting rid of WiMax.
I'm pretty sure in 2 years I'll be packing the HTC EVO LTE Quad Core edition. lol.
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As long as they are ambitious in rolling out LTE, then thank God for getting rid of WiMax.
I'm pretty sure in 2 years I'll be packing the HTC EVO LTE Quad Core edition. lol.
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HTC EVO 4D FTW
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HTC EVO 4D FTW
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Do you know how hard it is to sit in an office reading this, trying not to laugh my ass off? reminds me of the bestbuy commercial where everything is getting outdated.
It's just funny period.
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yes that is about as close to right as your going to get right now as they neither confirmed nor denied anything past 2012. Just that they would support wiMax till then. Nothing saying that they wouldn't or would support it after.
The interesting thing with WiMax is that it is in the spectrum holding 2.5GHz that was not once brought up during the meeting/presentation.
This leaves many possibilities for the future and all comes down to how Sprint and Clearwire decide to proceed further wether it be WiMax2 or TDD LTE or convert that part to just doing major backhaul work, OR they could attempt to sell it off. The last one I mention is a little redic imho as it would be silly to do away with that much spectrum they own there as they could easily make good use of it in a number of ways.
The fact that they tried to sell the 800MHz blocks(which they mentioned again in the meeting) is also beyond me but I have herd that the amount of spectrum they hold there makes putting LTE there a little reach b/c the amount of blocks owned is so small they couldn't really have much speed there. Thats just what ive herd, never too the time to look up the amount of blocks in the 800MHz they own personally though.
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They may not have too much of it at the lower end but one nice thing about lte advanced is it will be able to connect to different frequencies at the same time. So the speeds may stop if you're somewhere that only the 800MHz signal is getting to but once you get closer to a window or something you'll begin picking up the 1.6/1.9./2.6 GHz signals too.
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They may not have too much of it at the lower end but one nice thing about lte advanced is it will be able to connect to different frequencies at the same time. So the speeds may stop if you're somewhere that only the 800MHz signal is getting to but once you get closer to a window or something you'll begin picking up the 1.6/1.9./2.6 GHz signals too.
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Didn't realize LTE advanced allowed that. Pretty cool feature at that too!
Now did they mention LTE advanced at all? I didn't hear/read about it and only remember fdd-lte being talked about.
It's been a long day here so i could be missing it completely here though.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/10/3011498/sprint-small-cell-deployment-lte-rollout
pretty interesting.
Sprint better find a way to roll out their LTE quicker and with more coverage. After all, who launches a LTE phone without LTE being available? I think the sales for Evo LTE will suffer greatly because of lack of LTE. By the time LTE is up, the Evo LTE will be old news.
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Sprint better find a way to roll out their LTE quicker and with more coverage. After all, who launches a LTE phone without LTE being available? I think the sales for Evo LTE will suffer greatly because of lack of LTE. By the time LTE is up, the Evo LTE will be old news.
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The evo 4g was available before Wimax was in 90% of places that it's currently available.
I think more people are likely to buy a phone that is ready for what is coming(LTE) than a phone that is for what is leaving(WiMax).
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Sprint better find a way to roll out their LTE quicker and with more coverage. After all, who launches a LTE phone without LTE being available? I think the sales for Evo LTE will suffer greatly because of lack of LTE. By the time LTE is up, the Evo LTE will be old news.
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I might be mistaken, but im pretty sure VRZ did the same thing. The sold LTE phones before the LTE network was officially up and running.
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I might be mistaken, but im pretty sure VRZ did the same thing. The sold LTE phones before the LTE network was officially up and running.
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Yep. The Thunderbolt didn't have LTE at launch if I remember correctly. Sprint has LTE running but has blocked users from connecting. I bet they will have the Atlanta market ready by release of the new Evo.
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The evo 4g was available before Wimax was in 90% of places that it's currently available.
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I hear ya knockin'. These days, phones become outdated fast....faster than when the OG Evo came out. I want the Evo LTE to succeed, but not having LTE out at this point in time doesn't make me want to upgrade to it and people from other carriers won't want to leave their 4G. And a few months from now, when LTE finally gets going, the Evo LTE will be considered old. Just my $0.02.
Good news that Sprint is going the extra mile to improve the LTE.
This makes me laugh.
Sprint is essentially using hardware that is designed for home use (say a family of four) and rolling it out as a solution to it's congested network.
Is THIS their "Network Vision?"
No wonder I'm not surprised when I get 1kbps download. Can't wait for Sprint to install some "personal network extenders" (way better than an actual network) in my area, maybe I'll see 2kbps.
Two kids with a couple of paper cups connected by a piece of string has a better network than Sprint.
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This makes me laugh.
Sprint is essentially using hardware that is designed for home use (say a family of four) and rolling it out as a solution to it's congested network.
Is THIS their "Network Vision?"
No wonder I'm not surprised when I get 1kbps download. Can't wait for Sprint to install some "personal network extenders" (way better than an actual network) in my area, maybe I'll see 2kbps.
Two kids with a couple of paper cups connected by a piece of string has a better network than Sprint.
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If you're so disgruntled with them, then why do you stay with them? Not trying to argue, nor troll.
edit: I don't have 4g, I barely have 3g, and when I do have 3g it is intolerable. However, sprint has the best voice coverage in my area, so I keep them. After all, these are phones
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If you're so disgruntled with them, then why do you stay with them? Not trying to argue, nor troll.
edit: I don't have 4g, I barely have 3g, and when I do have 3g it is intolerable. However, sprint has the best voice coverage in my area, so I keep them. After all, these are phones
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I'm not paying to get out of my contract (especially now that Sprint upped ETF's), that is why I stay. Simple as that.
Before I signed my current contract, I talked to a Sprint representative (not a Sprint store employee) who assured me that Sprint was going to be extremely proactive in establishing a network.
Since then:
-Sprint upped ETF's
-Sprint spent funds that should have been allocated to improving it's network on the iPhone
-Sprint ended the premiere rewards program (a major reason I stayed)
Prediction: When Sprint finally has a network that can compete with other companies say goodbye to unlimited data plans. Sprint only keeps them around because that is the only card they have to play.
Getting back to the article, Sprint needs to completely overhaul it's network, not deploy "personal network extenders" that only mask the problem.
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Sounds like a stall on the lte?
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I'm not paying to get out of my contract (especially now that Sprint upped ETF's), that is why I stay. Simple as that.
Before I signed my current contract, I talked to a Sprint representative (not a Sprint store employee) who assured me that Sprint was going to be extremely proactive in establishing a network.
Since then:
-Sprint upped ETF's
-Sprint spent funds that should have been allocated to improving it's network on the iPhone
-Sprint ended the premiere rewards program (a major reason I stayed)
Prediction: When Sprint finally has a network that can compete with other companies say goodbye to unlimited data plans. Sprint only keeps them around because that is the only card they have to play.
Getting back to the article, Sprint needs to completely overhaul it's network, not deploy "personal network extenders" that only mask the problem.
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Don't care how they do it, I just want the end result to be better than the Wimax. Which it will be.
Verizon did it pretty damned fast, AT&T is trying under extreme odds, Sprint doing it on their own should be inbetween.
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This makes me laugh.
Sprint is essentially using hardware that is designed for home use (say a family of four) and rolling it out as a solution to it's congested network.
Is THIS their "Network Vision?"
No wonder I'm not surprised when I get 1kbps download. Can't wait for Sprint to install some "personal network extenders" (way better than an actual network) in my area, maybe I'll see 2kbps.
Two kids with a couple of paper cups connected by a piece of string has a better network than Sprint.
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Lets just say someone has no idea what network vision is or what it entails.
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Lets just say someone has no idea what network vision is or what it entails.
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It involves awesomeness. That's what. I bet it will be better than the other 3 carriers once it is finished.
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It involves awesomeness. That's what. I bet it will be better than the other 3 carriers once it is finished.
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...if Sprint can do it without going bankrupt first.
This sounds like a great idea for high traffic areas. Reminds me specifically last year at the state fair; there were so many people in such a small area that the tower(s) were so overloaded that data, voice, AND texting were absolutely unusable. You simply could not get through no matter what. It was horrible. Areas like that would be perfect for these small cells.
I'm just as fed up with sprints data service as everyone else is, but I have hope. If network vision ends up being as good as they say it is, I'll definitely be staying with them.
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This sounds like a great idea for high traffic areas. Reminds me specifically last year at the state fair; there were so many people in such a small area that the tower(s) were so overloaded that data, voice, AND texting were absolutely unusable. You simply could not get through no matter what. It was horrible. Areas like that would be perfect for these small cells.
I'm just as fed up with sprints data service as everyone else is, but I have hope. If network vision ends up being as good as they say it is, I'll definitely be staying with them.
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look at the towers they own. lmao. they don't own any towers. they have an entire tower in a CITY! then claim, OH YOU NOW HOW 4G! OR WE'RE DOING VOICE UPGRADES! SERIOUSLY!? TO A SINGLE TOWER!? It takes a network of towers in the RIGHT SPOTS to provide service. Sprint is a waste of time.
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look at the towers they own. lmao. they don't own any towers. they have an entire tower in a CITY! then claim, OH YOU NOW HOW 4G! OR WE'RE DOING VOICE UPGRADES! SERIOUSLY!? TO A SINGLE TOWER!? It takes a network of towers in the RIGHT SPOTS to provide service. Sprint is a waste of time.
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Exactly. All these people are swallowing everything Sprint is feeding them.
"Network Vision is going to be great!"
"Sprint's network is going to be better than all the other carriers!"
Please. "Network Vision" is just that, a vision, a concept, an idea, a hope and a dream. It only becomes a reality when Sprint begins to aggressively overhaul it's 3G and 4G networks. Not install "personal network extenders." lol.
Sprint has the crappiest network and is pretty much broke. I'm so sure that they will have the best network available in two years time.
I'm guessing that the people who believe in all this "Network Vision" crap are the same people that thought WiMAX would be better than lte. How'd that play out.
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Exactly. All these people are swallowing everything Sprint is feeding them.
"Network Vision is going to be great!"
"Sprint's network is going to be better than all the other carriers!"
Please. "Network Vision" is just that, a vision, a concept, an idea, a hope and a dream. It only becomes a reality when Sprint begins to aggressively overhaul it's 3G and 4G networks. Not install "personal network extenders." lol.
Sprint has the crappiest network and is pretty much broke. I'm so sure that they will have the best network available in two years time.
I'm guessing that the people who believe in all this "Network Vision" crap are the same people that thought WiMAX would be better than lte. How'd that play out.
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Played out pretty well. 12-15 mbps for me. That's plenty of fast for the things I use it for.
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Played out pretty well. 12-15 mbps for me. That's plenty of fast for the things I use it for.
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Did it? Know how much money Sprint shoved into that network even though nearly everyone in the industry said it would never work? What do they have to show for it? A network that they will keep around for the next couple of years until they redo it with lte, what it should have been in the first place.
I'm glad you can use it and that it works good for you, that still doesn't replace the fact that it was a huge business mistake.
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