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Hey all...I'm VERY new to all of this rooting stuff...still reading about it and I can't seem to wrap my head around it....Not sure if I'd be crossing a line by asking this, but here it goes....are there people on here that would actually root a phone for someone if they (ie..me) are to stupid to do so?
Of course there would be compensation involved.
Thanks for any info!!!
If you are new to the point that you are not comfortable following the steps needed to root your phone then I would say that you should not be worrying about rooting your phone at this point.
Why do I say this? It is because you will want to flash a myriad of Roms after your phone is rooted, which I guarantee will cause issues that you will not be able to figure out on your own.
You also need to ask yourself what it is that you hope to gain from rooting your phone. The stock Thunderbolt has bloat no doubt, but it is generally compatible with apps and is about to receive the Gingerbread OTA (non-root users theorize) fairly soon.
What do you want that can only be accomplished by rooting your phone at this point? If you cannot answer that question, then I hope you will take my advice and do some reading on this site, and one or two other sites, until you are ready to root your phone without paying someone to do it for you.
One other thing. Please do not create posts asking about the proverbial 'Best Rom'. There is no such thing.
Just my .02 cents!
I appreciate the info....Thanks!!!
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I appreciate the info....Thanks!!!
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You're very welcome. I hope that I did not scare you off of rooting, but it is something that should not be done without some careful thought before hand.
For $100 I'll root your phone.
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I've rooted several devices for friends that have no intention of using clockworkmod. They simply want the advantages of root and to run a new ROM like CM7. I'd be happy to do it for money, and I don't think the end user of a rooted devices needs to know jack about it rooting it to enjoy the benefits. In short, I'm happy to root a device for someone as long as I know they aren't going to get in there and brick the thing somehow and come to me to fix it like it's my problem. Most people are decent enough to do that.
if you look online(or in your local yellow pages), you can find shops locally that will fix, root, etc your cell phone.
just here in San Diego there's about a dozen places that offer these services.
although i will tell you... the first time you figure out you have a problem with your carb and it's bad enough that you can't drive your car... then a "friend" tells you, just bring the carb over here & we'll fix it for you... then you're just standing there looking at the carb and thinking "uhhh..."
now that's rooting a phone x 10 difficultly.
I'll do it for free, teach you how i did it, and give you the basic knowledge of how not to brick. Where are you located?
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jpa77 said:
I'll do it for free, teach you how i did it, and give you the basic knowledge of how not to brick. Where are you located?
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Good man. There is a one touch root available.. more like several clicks but its easy.
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jpa77 said:
I'll do it for free, teach you how i did it, and give you the basic knowledge of how not to brick. Where are you located?
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My offer still stands. Pm me if you're interested.
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^^^
You sir are a gentleman. I can honestly say that just about everyone who uses Droid theory 's roms are helpful nice individuals.
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You sir are a gentleman. I can honestly say that just about everyone who uses Droid theory 's roms are helpful nice individuals.
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I didn't have anybody to guide me when i first started and i know how frustrating it can be. And you never know, he may be the next great developer with the right start. I have been the "tech support" for my entire family who I converted to android. It would be nice to teach someone who will want to learn as opposed to my family who just says here you do it...
And you are right on the money when you say ppl who use Th3orys roms are nice and helpful. I have learned a great deal from that community.
I am not a dev, just someone who knows how to implement the awesome features created by the community here at XDA.
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I know we are going off topic but I feel the same way. If people did not get smart with other users and just be helpful people would have a great time learning.
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Dang if I was near my laptop which my dad has webx on I would do it for you. I have rooted a bunch of phones for friends and family and I find it especially fun teaching them what root, roms, etc. can help them achieve. Today I rooted my friends sensation so he would have the sensation xe (beats audio) options and speed. If you feel that your stock phone seems slow rooting, overclocking and debloating or changing the ROM can definitely help you!
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I would do it for 30 and make sure your phone gets back to you with lots of extra programs you will need. Plus 5 bucks shipping back.
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"If i helped you please thank me"
Well I looked around one of the posts said that HTC finished the ICS and is now sent to sprint for modifications. Aka adding bloatwares, sprint boot and etc. So if your going to complain to someone make sure its to Sprint. And once they are sent out it'll be in order by your Serial Number so that the OTA (On-The-Air) server doesn't overload. So your neighbor may get it while you don't. So don't worry. I'm going to remain locked and s-on until ICS comes out or somebody makes an ICS ROM based on the official release. So if your not rooted I recommend you do the same. Well its nice sharing all this that I know. And remember, this is all I know from twitters. Facebook, posts, sites, and everything else. Well with this I say goodbye and try to forget about the update so that time goes by faster.
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One of the reason for the thread is to express our knowledge about the ICS so that people don't have problems and they're questions are answered.
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Well I looked around one of the posts said that HTC finished the ICS and is now sent to sprint for modifications. Aka adding bloatwares, sprint boot and etc. So if your going to complain to someone make sure its to Sprint. And once they are sent out it'll be in order by your Serial Number so that the OTA (On-The-Air) server doesn't overload. So your neighbor may get it while you don't. So don't worry. I'm going to remain locked and s-on until ICS comes out or somebody makes an ICS ROM based on the official release. So if your not rooted I recommend you do the same. Well its nice sharing all this that I know. And remember, this is all I know from twitters. Facebook, posts, sites, and everything else. Well with this I say goodbye and try to forget about the update so that time goes by faster.
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while I appreciate the info...without links to back up anything you have said this is quite pointless....
Great another useless post, about what someone knows.
Most of you clowns know absolutely nothing...
My sources tell me it will be out Dec. 23, 2012
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My sources tell me it will be out Dec. 23, 2012
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OF COURSE!! it would be out AFTER THE WORLD ENDS on 12/21/2012 lol waaaay to go HTC...way to go
I would say the majority of folks on this forum probably DON'T want to upgrade to ICS over-the-air.
1. You'd have to wait until an unlock method is available, so you're pretty much stuck with what ya got (which may not be a bad thing to some).
2. You may or may not be able to "downgrade" to 1.4 HBOOT if you're on 1.6, if you have any intentions of obtaining S-OFF in the future.
3. Once it's available OTA, it's not going to be long before a full working ROM will be available on the board.
Just think hard and twice before you decide to take that OTA, and don't make the same mistake I did of accepting last time around with 1.5. I have performed the downgrade recently thanks to the hard work members on here have contributed.
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I'll update the first thread with links and screenshots and highlight the text and the context. Sorry for the lack of proof
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Mmm takes Sprint 6 months to totally screw up a ROM with all its crap and it takes our great devs on xda a day or two to fix and redistribute a work of art.
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Mmm takes Sprint 6 months to totally screw up a ROM with all its crap and it takes our great devs on xda a day or two to fix and redistribute a work of art.
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Agreed, if XDA was a phone carrier I would totally be XDA for life
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Weird enough seems like I can't post pictures...
bimmer007 said:
I would say the majority of folks on this forum probably DON'T want to upgrade to ICS over-the-air.
1. You'd have to wait until an unlock method is available, so you're pretty much stuck with what ya got (which may not be a bad thing to some).
2. You may or may not be able to "downgrade" to 1.4 HBOOT if you're on 1.6, if you have any intentions of obtaining S-OFF in the future.
3. Once it's available OTA, it's not going to be long before a full working ROM will be available on the board.
Just think hard and twice before you decide to take that OTA, and don't make the same mistake I did of accepting last time around with 1.5. I have performed the downgrade recently thanks to the hard work members on here have contributed.
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Well, now that you mention it I guess I'll downgrade before updating. And yeah you're right. Once you update to 1.6 you should forget about rooting for a while. Gonna go home and downgrade and root. thanks for making me realize this
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This dude sounds legit!
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Weird enough seems like I can't post pictures...
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Well the lack of info being provided is not going to go over well for long around here and right now its pointless till you post some info backing up these claims...
We already have countless ICS threads with debates and such on when its rumored to release...
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Guys don't hate. I'm sorry for posting something with the lack of info. Once I get near my laptop I'll post links. Screenies and everything
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Guys don't hate. I'm sorry for posting something with the lack of info. Once I get near my laptop I'll post links. Screenies and everything
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Looking forward to it....and please don't waste time posting some theory some poster on another board had as part of your reasoning in proving this...needs to be credible ppl...or else this thread might not last too long...
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I would also love to see this
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I'm really hoping OP is legit and isn't messing with us.
I'm all ears....
Well I'll get to a laptop and update the first post with more credible information
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I just had a few buds that had no idea of the joys of rooted androids. I know some guys do it online or stores close by do the same for too much money. I personally went to qbking77's corner and figured out basic development and flashing by trial and error. I would do it for them but then they can't update the rom without me and the liability if they get mad about something. Anyway my question is what is the best way to help these greenhorns see the world they didn't know existed.
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Tell them to come here and read read read
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So had problems bricking my phone this is the third note 2 i have recieved. Just updated to 4.1.2 OTA but want to root my phone scared to do so cause of the problems ive been having. Anyone know a safe way too root 4.1.2 and maybe get the bootloader unlocked PLEASE [email protected]!!!!!!!!
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So had problems bricking my phone this is the third note 2 i have recieved. Just updated to 4.1.2 OTA but want to root my phone scared to do so cause of the problems ive been having. Anyone know a safe way too root 4.1.2 and maybe get the bootloader unlocked PLEASE [email protected]!!!!!!!!
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Si you've bricked two phones and made Verizon swap them out? I'd suggest you stay stock.
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zactheandroidmac said:
So had problems bricking my phone this is the third note 2 i have recieved. Just updated to 4.1.2 OTA but want to root my phone scared to do so cause of the problems ive been having. Anyone know a safe way too root 4.1.2 and maybe get the bootloader unlocked PLEASE [email protected]!!!!!!!!
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They are working on it. Sounds like they have it figured out and are just cleaning up the process a little bit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2118348&page=145
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So had problems bricking my phone this is the third note 2 i have recieved. Just updated to 4.1.2 OTA but want to root my phone scared to do so cause of the problems ive been having. Anyone know a safe way too root 4.1.2 and maybe get the bootloader unlocked PLEASE [email protected]!!!!!!!!
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People screwing their phones up, by not reading thoroughly and asking questions if they dont understand before flashing ****, and then getting VZW to exchange them is why the rest of us who have real problems that aren't caused by our tinkering end up getting screwed.
If you brick your phone flashing, or just generally screwing around with it, man up and figure out a way to fix it or get a new phine without comitting fraud.
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Well said but its not fraud.Im new here and some of you need to stop acting like you started somewere at one point also.But yes thats ridiculous.
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Well said but its not fraud.Im new here and some of you need to stop acting like you started somewere at one point also.But yes thats ridiculous.
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Actually, if you do something to your phone that causes it to stop working and submit a warranty replacement request, it is fraud. There is a very, very slim chance to anything to your phone that bricks it if you leave it stock, and the only time you run that risk is during an OTA update really. To do it TWICE says the OP was doing something they didn't understand and caused a problem themselves. It's exactly the reason VZW and other carriers are locking bootloaders and making it harder to get them unlocked, because people keep damaging them themselves and submitting a warranty return.
Dude you work for verizon? If thats the case then the millions of people that bricked their phones are what u described in the post???? Get real man. we are with you not against you so stop seriously.
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Dude you work for verizon? If thats the case then the millions of people that bricked their phones are what u described in the post???? Get real man. we are with you not against you so stop seriously.
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First off check the tude. Imnuts and many others are the reason we have root and abilities to do things on our phones. Show a little respect, please.
And really if someone tries to root it, it is a violation of the agreement one agrees. It voids the warranty and TOS agreement. So it is fraud to return it for that reason. And finally if one tries it once and bricks mistakes happen, But twice, one should evaluate if they should be tinkering with the phones this way.
With that said I have the 4.1.2 bone stock Note 2. Check my signature for the link I just used Casual and it rooted and unlocked in 4 mins.
I respect everyone here to the fullest.But please dont act like your the hack police, you were a newb once too and Uh he was the one cursing in his post. Obviously the kids a newb and a jacktard.Cut him some slack or just get him booted if thats the case.All the sudden everyones a law abiding hacker??? Please stop being a hippocrate.
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I respect everyone here to the fullest.But please dont act like your the hack police, you were a newb once too and Uh he was the one cursing in his post. Obviously the kids a newb and a jacktard.Cut him some slack or just get him booted if thats the case.All the sudden everyones a law abiding hacker??? Please stop being a hippocrate.
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No one is being a hypocrite. I have never bricked my phone because I busted my ass reading and asking questions if I couldn't find any answers to my questions when I was a newb. I have always recieved help when I needed it and even when I didnt, the problem is this kid has bricked 2 phones by doing **** he clearly doesnt understand instead of asking questions first.
He is the reason we are all getting screwed with replacement phones and prices, and yes it is insurance fraud. The contract covers certain things but bootloader unlocking and bricking is not one, you can root and you'll still be covered but there is very little you can do to kill a phone with just root.
I do like that youre trying to defend your point but there is no need for name calling in this, if you want to have a discussion have one without calling people hypocrites or acting rude in your follow up. Also there is a very fine line between newb and fraudster which the OP crossed.
Also if you have been here long I dont know how you jave missed all the threads about people committing fraud just like this kid, thats why the majority of the community have such short patience, or in some cases tempers, with the fraudsters.
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Ok im sorry.Stop ganging up on me.Your right.Lets leave it at that. I love you all for your hard work and dedication.
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greekgod1021 said:
Ok im sorry.Stop ganging up on me.Your right.Lets leave it at that. I love you all for your hard work and dedication.
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Its this type of mentality thats ruinining these forums!! The bottom line is that it is fraud...I bet both devices were fixable, these devices are hard to fully brick....its like iphone users gone wild around here. folks need to learn to read! Thats how I got started and I have never bricked a device. Its called research twice flash once!
Look I dont need you to kick me while im down .Ok??????? And your pretty late, so give it a rest and try and get laid or something.smfh
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Look I dont need you to kick me while im down .Ok??????? And your pretty late, so give it a rest and try and get laid or something.smfh
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Actually I just got laid earlier :good:
Why dont you sell your note and join the iphone community...it would be a great place for you. think of it as the retirement community for former android users.
Please is this high school? Get a life pal.Iphone? I actually have no reason to hate an I phone. I ACTUALLY LIKE BOTH.LOOK I APOLOGIZED AND YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS CAT AND MOUSE GAME.GROW UP MAN.PLEASE.YOUR RIGHT AND I SHOULDNT HAVE RESORTED TO YOUR WANNA BE DISGRUNTLED FIRED DEVELOPER FOR NOKIA ATTITUDE.SO PLEASE JUST STFU. THX.AGAIN SORRY AND STFU.
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Can you put more question marks in the title please
In Before The Lock.
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Read the discussion before putting your stupid comment in there.I didnt start the thread smarta $$
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Read the discussion before putting your stupid comment in there.I didnt start the thread smarta $$
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Did I quote you? No. Was that comment for you? No. Why are you getting involved? I haven't a clue.
However the second part was for you because your behaviour here will get this thread closed. Be very careful what you say around here. And especially be careful to those you are talking to my friend.
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So why would you jump in and add fuel to the fire???Please just leave productive comments if not why would you jump in and instigate??
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So why would you jump in and add fuel to the fire???Please just leave productive comments if not why would you jump in and instigate??
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I know this is the internet. But I meant it light heartedly. As a joke. ( which is hard to show on the net )
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Use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2272066
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Has vroot been found to be safe to the phone and the computer?
Are thereI any other safer ways to root MJ7?
I know there are other threads with information. But I just want clarification on this.
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Swimboy46163 said:
Has vroot been found to be safe to the phone and the computer?
Are thereI any other safer ways to root MJ7?
I know there are other threads with information. But I just want clarification on this.
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I am wondering the same.. I see this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mCsDyW-TI
But I want clarification from here..
I used vroot to root my gs4 running 4.3 build MJ7 and it worked flawlessly
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I am wondering the same.. I see this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mCsDyW-TI
But I want clarification from here..
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I wouldn't want to risk it yet.
I used Kingo Root. they have updated their root tool and made (are making) it open source, according to their facebook.
Telling me it works flawlessly tells me nothing.
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Telling me it works flawlessly tells me nothing.
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Has it been proven safe? No.
Has it been proven malicious? No.
Currently there are only 2 ways to root. Kingo and vRoot.
All you can do is read and read some more, then make a decision that's best for you.
There is NO definite answer as to whether there is a 100% safe way to root MJ7.
Link?
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Is king safer than vroot to your knowledge or guess.
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Link?
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Is king safer than vroot to your knowledge or guess.
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There are no links Not allowed on XDA . Use Google.
I have no idea which one is safer. I'm not sure if either one is safe. I don't think anyone has a definitive answer yet.
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I used vroot and had success and I can say I have seen no suspicious activity at all, yes vroot installs a Chinese superuser app but that's easily replaced with the normal su app, and this exploit seems to get around all Samsung's security not triggering anything except a custom lock when you boot up but even that can be faked using xposed framwork and the wanam app which hides it leaving no sign your phones fully roooted !
I guess once its made open source we will know more. Do you know if it leaves any residual stuff on the device from being rooted from the program. Like vroot leaves its Chinese version of Super User.
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There are no links Not allowed on XDA . Use Google.
I have no idea which one is safer. I'm not sure if either one is safe. I don't think anyone has a definitive answer yet.
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I used vroot and had success and I can say I have seen no suspicious activity at all, yes vroot installs a Chinese superuser app but that's easily replaced with the normal su app, and this exploit seems to get around all Samsung's security not triggering anything except a custom lock when you boot up but even that can be faked using xposed framwork and the wanam app which hides it leaving no sign your phones fully roooted !
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Are there even any ROMs out that work for MJ7? Is the superuser app that the program installs, is that all it installs. Seems like it might put something in the background of the phone to make it "keep escaping" knox.
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Are there even any ROMs out that work for MJ7? Is the superuser app that the program installs, is that all it installs. Seems like it might put something in the background of the phone to make it "keep escaping" knox.
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There are no ROMs for MJ7. No custom recovery. No Safestrap. Just root.
All these questions you're asking have ALL been answered several times. Do a little research. There's plenty of info here on XDA.
If you don't feel comfortable using these exploits, then don't use them. Wait a while. You never now what lies ahead.
Nobody here can tell you if it's 100% safe because we just don't know. All I can tell you is that I haven't seen anyone on these boards say anything "bad" has happened with there PC or phone.
I knew 2 days straight without an "MJ7 root or recovery" thread was too good to be true
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I used that video guide and software on my s4 4.3 and then used a another tutorial on here to swap and remove the Chinese super user to the standard super user app and I've not had any problems in the last month of doing this. Everything went great and easy with no issues.
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I don't trust the Chinese. From past experiences, they will do whatever it takes to profit and take your money illegally. Just because nothing has happened to anyone YET does not mean it will not happen in the future. You don't know what kind of backdoor might be planted and what sort of information they're collecting or will collect from your device.
Please be patient. Unless you're life depends on root access. Hold off until a trusted developer can provide us with something we can all enjoy.
I would like a senior member to take 5 seconds to tell me why in hell they are getting the idea that they are so superior that being sly and rude to other members is ok!!! That is not how this site had operated in the past its starting kill the reputation of this community!!! So why dont we knock it back a few guys!!!
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I would like a senior member to take 5 seconds to tell me why in hell they are getting the idea that they are so superior that being sly and rude to other members is ok!!! That is not how this site had operated in the past its starting kill the reputation of this community!!! So why dont we knock it back a few guys!!!
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That's obviously a blanket statement. If you see somebody being rude confront them through PM.
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Charlie115 said:
I would like a senior member to take 5 seconds to tell me why in hell they are getting the idea that they are so superior that being sly and rude to other members is ok!!! That is not how this site had operated in the past its starting kill the reputation of this community!!! So why dont we knock it back a few guys!!!
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Who was being rude? If you look on Page 1 of the Q&A forums you will see that this thread is titled exactly like the other one that is 3 pages long.
The community was fine with all the senior members. You say it's because of the senior members this community is killing the reputation?
I'm going to say no. It's the junior members "Please give me everything on a silver platter" mentality and entitlement issue that's killing the reputation of this site. The site operated perfectly fine before whiny kids started showing up only to post things that have already been discussed HEAVILY and to post because they know how to hit "Reply".
I'd rather have Senior Members post with logic and experience than Junior Members, such as yourself, talking bad about them and cluttering up an already useless thread with off-topic posts that had nothing but negativity behind it.
Hope you understand.