hey, i was just trying to get some feed back on what differences are there in gb that would be a good reason to leave froyo. the reason i ask is because i put a gingerbread rom on my vibrant for about a day and did not see a deference. everything pretty much looks the same. maybe someone can give me a strong argument for switching because at this point i just don't get it.
I was on GB for a couple weeks to try it out but with all of the bugs and non working GPS its just not worth it til there are more stable roms. People will argue that the GB roms are stable but I've had several problems on GB roms, nothing big but little bugs that just get annoying after a while. I would stick with froyo
Dont switch. They just drain your battery and have loads of bugs, like not beeing able to charge when off.(CM7)
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New user interface design with new themes (Black themes save power)
Extra Large Screen Size supported
SIP Communication Supported (SIP Video and Audio Calling, In an operator point of view, this is feature will decrease their voice calling revenue where as user can call each other for lower rates or even free if they have good data connection)
Supports for NFC (High Frequency High Speech Data Transfer in short range)
Support for WebM/VP8 video playback, and AAC audio encoding
New audio effects such as reverb, equalization, headphone virtualization, and bass boost
Improved Copy and Paste functionality
Redesigned Multi Touch Software Keyboard
Audio, graphical, and input enhancements for game developers
New sensors support (i.e gyroscope)
Download manager for long running HTTP downloads
Enhanced support for native code
Improved power management and application control
Support for multiple cameras
there's your list of differences from froyo to GB
I switched because cm7 is just lightyears faster than froyo or anything eelse on our phones ... games that wouldnt work on other roms in n64oid now run smoothly
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It is definitely not worth switching until we get an official leak, although at this point it may be worth facing up to the fact that there will not ever be an official GB rom. The ports are too buggy and unstable to make it worth your time.. you will just uninstall it.
I think it is matter of opinion. Some will highlight the builds being buggy and others on it being faster.
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I think it is matter of opinion. Some will highlight the builds being buggy and others on it being faster.
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+1 to that! ive been running cm7 since nightly #4 and there up past #65 so ive been on it awhile. Havent gone back since and im loving it! I like the Built in theme chooser any day i feel like changing my mood just change theme and built in theme chooser does the rest, 10 sec process. Its way so much faster then Froyo thats like comparing apples to oranges of course its faster it should be if it wasnt google wouldnt be doing a very good job! I could go on with all the cool features and specs but theres no use everyone has there own opinion. Heres the true fact of the matter it says in CM7 op cm7 isnt for the noob rom flasher so it may be buggy on ur phone due a bad flash or not wiping data or wiping dalvik. But with cm7 now having gps its as stable as its ever gonna get. Plus make sure ur reading the instructions carefully!!!
Heres what atinm from cm7 has said about vibrant running cm7 and this is so very true!!
All releases are planned to be free of all bugs. Reality forces us to accept what we can do and our hands are tied on things that we don't have code for, nor documentation for and so no, it will not be free of all bugs/limitations. If the code is stable, if the release is usable as a daily driver for most people, it will get the "stable" designation. We will continue to fix bugs that we can fix.
so its wht it is
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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I did have a very good look at all three Froyos ROMs and then I installed 2.1 again, Android 2.1 is so far 100% better for the HTC Hero, in my opinion.
I don't think I miss much by having to individually update the apps, especially since I don't like being the first to update apps as not all updates are for the best (E.G. Astro (now with adds))
Although the Rom is meant to be faster I found it a lot slower, even though I was using Set CPU, only Fusion Rom was decent (but as other roms still had reliability problems). With 2.1 everything is much faster.
I will probably try Android 2.2 again, but I will probably wait till there is a version with Sense as in my opinion Launcher pro (plus) is so inferior in comparison. Sense is a very important feature in my opinion.
Between Android 1.5 > 2.1 there was a big difference and it was worth updating, here no such difference exist, and the main attraction of 2.2 the ability to play proper flash does not work with the Hero.
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Yeah, i'd agree. Wait another week or two, till the issues start to go, then look again
tbh i think it is good that the scene is moving towards 2.2.
sure things dont fully work atm and certain features wont be beneficial on the hero, but at least there are people working on it so that there is an option if it is needed/wanted.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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I just posted (on my two posts) on what we have available at the moment, and what we know about Android 2.2 in relation to flash, app2sd and automatic updates. No matter what rom comes out in the future these problems will persist.
I agree that all the roms we have are just beta-like versions, and that I am hopeful that the roms will be faster in due time. I even mentioned in my 2nd post that I will try Android 2.2 again once someone manages to incorporate HTC sense to it.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
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I 100% agree with you, and I fully appreciate all the work that developers make in order to develop these roms. But at this moment in time, I found that upgrading my phone to Android 2.2 felt more of a downgrade (excluding Fusion, to some extent).
To be honest ill be very surprised, if we ever get a good Froyo rom, which is as fast as the 2.1 roms and works properly with flash. But we will have to wait and see.
Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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I can be even more specific. A few days after HTC does the first Sense Froyo ROM for Slide or Legend. But no idea how good these ROMs will be, as there will be porting needed.
So now that the GB ROMs seem to be in full swing.....
What are the pros and cons vs Froyo?
Well, I went from Froyo to GB and for me:
Much faster and smoother
Almost no lag, you would think it was a 1Ghz phone
WIFI and GPS locks on almost instantly and does not drop out.
3G data rate is mouch more consistent
I have been waiting patiently for the Thunderbolt, and this rom will make the wait much easier
Thanks to Workshed for an amazing rom.
There is really not a whole lot different, besides looks. The GB keyboard is better. I could really use either one in a pinch, though right now I am using GSB myself.
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There is really not a whole lot different, besides looks. The GB keyboard is better. I could really use either one in a pinch, though right now I am using GSB myself.
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That's actually not true at all, there are quite a few differences. Workshed's rom uses the latest CM7 nightly (RC1). Tazz's rom uses ADW as the default home launcher, Workshed's uses LauncherPro. Not sure of the numbers but both roms come overclocked at different numbers. Workshed's rom comes with an extra theme (Mau5KANG). There are quite a few differences but my suggestion honestly is to try them both for about 5 days each and see which one you like best ! Hope all this helps.
Its the little things;
Theme Manager has great potential, change themes on the fly
Better memory management. I no longer use autokiller.
App Management in settings, populates fast and is more user friendly. Great for killing stubborn or hung apps without the need for 3rd party app. (Older versions were slow and clunky).
Built in CPU manager clock speed and governor.
Auto bright setting controls seem much improved IMO.
More lockscreen options.
Overall responsiveness improved, providing better user experience.
Active development. More options and improvements still to come.
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That's actually not true at all, there are quite a few differences. Workshed's rom uses the latest CM7 nightly (RC1). Tazz's rom uses ADW as the default home launcher, Workshed's uses LauncherPro. Not sure of the numbers but both roms come overclocked at different numbers. Workshed's rom comes with an extra theme (Mau5KANG). There are quite a few differences but my suggestion honestly is to try them both for about 5 days each and see which one you like best ! Hope all this helps.
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He asked the pros and cons between Gingerbread and Froyo, not between the two GB ROMs - and that's what my post was answering.
Thanks for the info, any input is appreciated.
My biggest concern is speed.
I have flashed a lot of ROMs over the past year or so. I have found regardless of the ROM when my available memory drops below 50M my phone gets laggy. I started using Go Launcher about a month ago and really like it (running app tab is great). I see apps running in the background that I know I haven't used like facebook, youtube and Pandora. Autokiller does not seem to be doing a good job squashing them. I want Pandora on my phone I just only want it running when I am using it.
Conapp, Tazz, Kaos and Shed have all been great and very responsive to questions or issues with their ROMs
I think it is time to give GB a run.
GB does a great job managing memory and terminating background apps. Never get the slow Downs like I did on 2.1 or 2.2
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I have flashed a lot of ROMs over the past year or so. I have found regardless of the ROM when my available memory drops below 50M my phone gets laggy.
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As part of the upgrade, look into flashing xtrcache2cache, which will free up a lot of memory for data and apps - probably about 30 MB or so. If you do use it, you just have to remember to re-flash it after updating the ROM. So,
- flash GSB
- flash gapps (mandatory, even for no wipe updates)
- flash cache2cache
It's here, and works just fine with GSB: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924562
Ok, one more advantage to GB, and this, to me, is a big one, is cursor placement/text selection. It's much better - I actually like it more than iOS's tap/hold/magnifying glass.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
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Ok, one more advantage to GB, and this, to me, is a big one, is cursor placement/text selection. It's much better - I actually like it more than iOS's tap/hold/magnifying glass.
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Ah! That helps answer a concern of mine wondering how easy it will be to get used to not having a trackball when I do eventually (probably not for a year) upgrade from the Eris. I don't use the trackball a lot, but for fine adjustments to text selections, it certainly has helped.
i am finding GB to be much faster and my battery life seems to be better.
Peace
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I can imagine this may have been asked before, yet I can't find any definitive answers, to what are the benefits to running ICS over Gingerbread at this time?
I dont really think there is much right at this moment, due to the ICS being out is so buggy, but i read alot of positive about CM9 which is running ICS - though one major drawback for me is the USB mount doesn't work.
But after playing around with my dads Galaxy Nexus, the diffrence aint gamebreaking. Surely its optimised in other ways, better interface imo - but again, Gingerbread is really great, and i will surely stick to this untill ROM chefs starts to cook roms on stable ICS releases.
Eventually check out my thread where some people are talking about ICS and the benefits from it compared to Gingerbread
right, ics is still buggy. but check out some of the very good custom ics roms in the development forum. some of them now are more stable than they previously do. i mean, stable enough for daily use.
apparently ICS has a lot of benefit over GB:
some of the good points:
- smoother ui animation (you'll feel more smoother than GB, also there are more transition animation added)
- improved google apps (gmail, calendar, maps, phone, sms have been redesigned and feels better than current version in GB)
- voice dictation (different from the one in GB, instead of "press-speak-press-speak", now you can keep speaking and the word will come out as you speak)
- face unlock (no need to introduce)
- options to encrypt the phone memory (forget if GB has it)
- some new widgets (some of the custom roms use AOSP apps instead of the samsung one, e.g. the calendar widget looks much better now)
- camera app seems to open faster
some problems:
- usb mass storage not working (may get fixed in the future, but now you can use MTP instead, if you are using windows or mac. linux users can have some problem with that)
- some apps don't work with ICS (most apps work, for the rest we need to wait for update to support ics)
- battery drain issue (there have been several report for battery drain on "Android OS" process, google seems to fix it in 4.0.4, so we just need to wait. currently mine can last over 10h with moderate use)
- remember it's still in alpha/beta stage, so backup your data!
if you are really interested, make a full backup using CWM and try to flash some of the roms. you can always go back to ginger bread by recovering the backup. hope this helps
I tried one of the cyanogenmod alpha builds from codeworkx and i had the impression that the menu is cleanear and more tidied up all in all. dont know if thats an ics or a cyanogenmod thing though.
my wireless lan seemed to work better, too
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I can imagine this may have been asked before, yet I can't find any definitive answers, to what are the benefits to running ICS over Gingerbread at this time?
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After being on ICS Remix 8.6 by Westcrip, I "feel" the browsing, the sliding and most of the navigation on the phone is happening a lot faster.
Before February I felt like my old Gingerbread-thingy by Eskimo i belive... was the nuts. Now its like playing in a other league.
My SG2 feels generally Smoooottthheeeer
My 3 cents
The taste is better
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The taste is better
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More for hot weather, really.
Android 4.0 brought a ton of improvements in regards to the tracking of your finger on the screen. Using the Galaxy Nexus was a joy - accurately flicking through long lists with similar smoothness and accuracy to iOS. Jelly Bean brought it to another level surpassing iOS imo (but that's a different topic).
On the S3 "flicking" through lists or the browser feels disconnected and is much less accurate producing incorrect interpretations and scrolling when it shouldn't or vice versa. The main culprit I can see is the "smoothing" algorithm Samsung has added throughout the system and in the browser which works okay if you scroll very slowly and over large areas like a grandpa but for faster and quicker movements it just produces errors. Why couldn't they just stick with the ICS default behavior? Is there any way to get rid of the Samsung behavior besides flashing an AOSP-based ROM like CM or AOKP? I'd gladly flash those roms the day they get driver support but for now I just can't live without being able to use my camera and other "basic" things.
Using cm9 and camera I working fine snappy and touchscreen is very nice!
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Android 4.0 brought a ton of improvements in regards to the tracking of your finger on the screen. Using the Galaxy Nexus was a joy - accurately flicking through long lists with similar smoothness and accuracy to iOS. Jelly Bean brought it to another level surpassing iOS imo (but that's a different topic).
On the S3 "flicking" through lists or the browser feels disconnected and is much less accurate producing incorrect interpretations and scrolling when it shouldn't or vice versa. The main culprit I can see is the "smoothing" algorithm Samsung has added throughout the system and in the browser which works okay if you scroll very slowly and over large areas like a grandpa but for faster and quicker movements it just produces errors. Why couldn't they just stick with the ICS default behavior? Is there any way to get rid of the Samsung behavior besides flashing an AOSP-based ROM like CM or AOKP? I'd gladly flash those roms the day they get driver support but for now I just can't live without being able to use my camera and other "basic" things.
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There is driver support for CM9, samsung dropped the source code for ICS around release date, everything works and theres even CM9 stable releases in rom manager.
as far as i can tell 99% of things also work in CM10, the camera was 100% fixed today
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There is driver support for CM9, samsung dropped the source code for ICS around release date, everything works and theres even CM9 stable releases in rom manager.
as far as i can tell 99% of things also work in CM10, the camera was 100% fixed today
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Ok, wow I've been out of the loop, guess I'll have to update tonight.
Still, my original qualm is still valid is it not? =)
dinan said:
Ok, wow I've been out of the loop, guess I'll have to update tonight.
Still, my original qualm is still valid is it not? =)
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so did you sort out how to feed your finger tracking needs ??
i feel i think exactly like you... id like to keep my crapwiz functionalitues, but i'm crying out for the miss of smoothness here.
since me and u seems to have the same needs on this topic, please let me know if you find out somethig intresting.
c ya
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On the S3 "flicking" through lists or the browser feels disconnected and is much less accurate producing incorrect interpretations and scrolling when it shouldn't or vice versa. The main culprit I can see is the "smoothing" algorithm Samsung has added throughout the system and in the browser which works okay if you scroll very slowly and over large areas like a grandpa but for faster and quicker movements it just produces errors. Why couldn't they just stick with the ICS default behavior? Is there any way to get rid of the Samsung behavior besides flashing an AOSP-based ROM like CM or AOKP? I'd gladly flash those roms the day they get driver support but for now I just can't live without being able to use my camera and other "basic" things.
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Have you tried running a custom stock-based ROM that has the scrolling cache disabled (such as WanamLite) or with a kitchen option to disable this cache (such as Omega)?
Looking to Flash a ROM for the first time on my Atrix. I want a ROM based off of either ICS or JellyBean (ie, 4.x).
I don't want to test out unstable ROMs. I only have one smartphone, so it needs to be reliable. Are there any 4.x ROMs that are stable enough for daily use? If there isn't, please tell me that.
Requirements:
Reboots no more than 1, maybe 2 times a day
4.x build
all hardware works, except for these things which I don't care about: fingerprint reader, laptop dock
Nice to have: in-car mode.
AtrICS looks nice, (video works, fingerprint reader works) - but lots of posters are saying it reboots on them.
They all have the same problem since they use the same kernel.
- They all have the reboot problems
- Camera has fuzzy lines on the Blur based ROMs (can be easily fixed by turning widescreen mode on/off)
I'm currently on Someone's CM10 and I think that it can be a great daily driver (I don't use my Atrix to call/ SMS anymore though, so I can't really tell) and it doesn't have fingerprint scanner and web top (both of which you don't care).
And as I typed this, my phone rebooted.
Sent from that Atrix.
Even I'm in the same boat. Been on CM7 since ages.. waiting for a stable release before jumping the wagon.
Hopefully, epinter or jokersaxx will adopt the new libs and new stuff to their mods and we will get a new ICS/JB daily driver.
Im using miui 2.10.12 by thebill currently and no reboots. I dont play games dont use lapdock or fingerprint. Only bad thing for me not working buttons backlight
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Your choices are the unstable ones with poor battery life based on the leak with everything working or the ones not based on the leak which are stable with good battery but no camcorder and flakey hw acceleration. Pick your poison.
Hopefully the project to port the Xoom kernel goes somewhere and we have something more solid, but until then if you want something flawless you should stick with gingerbread.
Since your new to custom ROMs, I highly recommend you check out mrom. Its based on cm7/Gingerbread, and the best non-4.x ROM for the atrix. Coming from stock I think you'll find it a noticeable improvement in terms of performance.
Sent from my #motofail. No ICS for 2011 AT&T flagship? #boycottmoto
This is good info guys, thanks, MROM looks really interesting. I guess I'll unlock my bootloader now,
Just started this game too. I need a daily driver for my only phone to use for business and personal. I don't use fingerprint or laptop (except as a charging base/alarm clock stand). Although I would love to be able to use the laptop again someday. This my opinion based on limited experience with the following ROMs. This is in no way a knock on any of the fantastic work the Dev's have put in any ROMs, merely my experience.
IMHO
Somebody's- great JB ROM but too many random reboots and to short a battery life for a daily driver on my only phone, chrome works because hardware acceleration works. ROM didn't work for me but I really wanted it to because it was sweet!
Cyanogen 7 Stable- Rock solid, great battery life, dependable but not much different than stock except for the ability to play with root access, firewalls etc. I know iti's not 4.x... but as a daily driver it's fantastic work
Epinters - Wow! JB, video chat, battery life in the 8-9 hours with daily use for email, phone, music, text, light internet and gmaps (result may vary), no random reboots... no chrome due to lack of hardware acceleration (i think, but may be wrong here). Overall his was the best for my circumstances. Of course mileage may very depending on your phone, mine is USA, ATT with apparently the right tegra part. I have been running it for 2-3 weeks and keep coming back to it for a daily driver.
AtrICS - too many random reboots but another great JB ROM, really wanted this one to work too
My opinion - Epinter's http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1781970 works for me. I am very happy I unlocked/rooted and started playing this game.