It will be a while before the custom roms are 100% stable so is there any advantage to the current root method or is it better to wait for the HTC to release their updates to the 3D?
Root now... It'll only take like 10 minutes..
Also at the pace these Devs are operating at, ROMs will become stable fairly fast.
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Only thing we have to wait for htc is to change the bootloader, nothing else...
Considering all the current roms that are there are just modifications of the STOCK rom and devs haven't branched out much yet, those roms you're seeing are nearly as stable or more so than stock depending on which rom and how much change was done.
When the AOSP roms start hitting with no sense and most of the HTC stuff stripped out, then it gets interesting.
Now, to your original question, is it worth it to root now or wait for HTC. HTC has promised UNLOCKED bootloaders. Nobody is quite sure WHAT HTC will deliver. Unencrypted? S-OFF? Will they track or not? They will NOT provide you root. NOR is there any guarantee that the current methods of gaining root/s-off will work on that rom update if/when it comes.
I chose NOT to wait. I didn't want to end up like some of the EVO folks that took updates that can no longer root.
i wanna know why everyone thinks aosp will take forever to get stable. more then half the developers in the market all have 3vo's and Come on people, WE JUST GOT S OFF A MONTH EARLIER THEN HTC PROMISED US! give the guys credit.
I'm not saying the first batch of aosp roms will be 100% but it will not take long. soon as aosp hits the shelves things are going to be turning for the better.
By the time HTC gets off there asses and deliver we will all have cm7, miui, deck or whatever your preference is ALREADY on our phones.
I would go ahead and root. At least you can try out some new kernels and oc it.
Your gonna get unlocked with HTC but not rooted, why wait for something your going to do anyway?
um there is allways an advantage to getting s-off via the hacked way cause im shure htc will have some kind of stupid catch to s-off
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So I'm new to the whole Android scene and rooting and such. So what are the most common things to do when you root it? And also since HTC is releasing the ICS update soon should I wait until after it comes out to root it? I'm coming from an iPhone so I'm still have limited knowledge in this but do have experience modding a bunch of devices.
Thanks.
Dr.Strangelove. said:
So I'm new to the whole Android scene and rooting and such. So what are the most common things to do when you root it? And also since HTC is releasing the ICS update soon should I wait until after it comes out to root it? I'm coming from an iPhone so I'm still have limited knowledge in this but do have experience modding a bunch of devices.
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As of now the only real advantage of rooting is is removing the bloatware.
You can also backup, restore and experiment with custom roms (very limited number to date however) that give you a few other minor options such as the wifi calling that HTC pulled right after the release of the device.
So far we are not able to overclock or anything like that because HTC hasn't released the kernel source yet.
Be aware that you void your warranty by rooting according to the htcdev site. You'll get the notice when you unlock your bootloader.
By the way... odds are that we'll have ICS way before HTC releases the update to our phones. So if you do decide to root you will probably have ICS months before the official update is released. You can literally go around and show everyone the new update weeks before they get it themselves. Kind of a cool feeling.
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As of now the only real advantage of rooting is is removing the bloatware.
You can also backup, restore and experiment with custom roms (very limited number to date however) that give you a few other minor options such as the wifi calling that HTC pulled right after the release of the device.
So far we are not able to overclock or anything like that because HTC hasn't released the kernel source yet.
Be aware that you void your warranty by rooting according to the htcdev site. You'll get the notice when you unlock your bootloader.
By the way... odds are that we'll have ICS way before HTC releases the update to our phones. So if you do decide to root you will probably have ICS months before the official update is released. You can literally go around and show everyone the new update weeks before they get it themselves. Kind of a cool feeling.
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Thanks for all that info. It's good to know that I can backup and restore and experiment with custom roms. I heard about bricking your phone and was afraid to mess around with it because of that. I liked on the iPhone how if you messed up you could just restore it and start over. And just to clarify rooting unlocks the bootloader right? Or is that something different?
Thanks.
there is no way to brick your phone right now becuase htc only allows you certian access that wont brick it you can restore if things go bad
The greatest feature of the AOS is that we are able to root our phones thanks to some very helpful people. I’ve temp rooted my Rezound because I am waiting on the official Android 4.0 from Verizon. But we’re in the middle of the 2nd quarter and I’m starting to get impatient. I have the Eris, and I can easily install ROMs on it. I also have the Driod 2 which is a pain to install ROMs. For those who have rooted their phones and place ICS on their phone, are you worried about something going wrong with the phone and not being able to return it? Should I sack up and root it? Or would you recommend that I remain on the sidelines until its safe?
ICS Rom .:. Flash. One. Now.
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The greatest feature of the AOS is that we are able to root our phones thanks to some very helpful people. I’ve temp rooted my Rezound because I am waiting on the official Android 4.0 from Verizon. But we’re in the middle of the 2nd quarter and I’m starting to get impatient. I have the Eris, and I can easily install ROMs on it. I also have the Driod 2 which is a pain to install ROMs. For those who have rooted their phones and place ICS on their phone, are you worried about something going wrong with the phone and not being able to return it? Should I sack up and root it? Or would you recommend that I remain on the sidelines until its safe?
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(We're still in Q1 unitl March 31st! And I'm running an ICS rom, alternating between Ineffabilis-Deus v1.02 and Senseless 4.0.3 v1.0.) Well first off, the official ICS from Verizon looks to be a long ways away, so if you want ICS now, I'd definitely flash an ICS rom. And no, I'm not worried at all about something malfunctioning with my phone and not being able to return it. You can almost always return to stock, so as long as you can do that, you're safe. And besides, most of the Verizon reps have no idea what an unlocked bootloader is/does, let alone know how to check for one. So you should be able to return your beast (Rezound) to Verizon if something goes wrong with it. There's my two cents.
Final Verdict: Flash an ICS rom. Whether it's Senseless or has Sense 3.6, that's up to you.
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Waiting until probably May or so is not an option especially when we have such nice ROMs coming out now.
I'm running Joel's ICS Sense ROM and it's one of the nicely polished ROMs I've ever used.
I also used the Desense tool to get Nova Launcher so it looks a little bit like ICS and I gotta say, I'm extremely happy where I'm at right now. Go for it.
I say go for it too and I'm not even running ICS yet.
I am waiting for my favorite themes etc to become available for ICS before switching and I'm in no hurry anyway as I absolutely LOVE the ROM I am currently running and don't really care about ICS.
I use a couple nexus phones at work and I see no real advantage whatever to ICS.
If you root your phone it will start to fall apart. All of the ROMs will then steal your personal information and make it difficult to go to the bathroom. Then there's the issue with hand warts that people are getting with these ICS ROMs that have come out.
Do it. Stop questioning it. It's worth it.
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If you root your phone it will start to fall apart. All of the ROMs will then steal your personal information and make it difficult to go to the bathroom. Then there's the issue with hand warts that people are getting with these ICS ROMs that have come out.
Do it. Stop questioning it. It's worth it.
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I first started reading and I was like....lul wat?
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Dude, let 'em drop. ICS is great. The devs did a great job.
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The devs have done a great job, I used to have a DroidX and never really got into rooting and so forth, with this Rezound I told myself I would dive in head first and I am glad I did, everyone here at XDA, devs and members are very helpful and i learned everything i needed to know to learn everything from unlocking and rooting to flashing roms, and it is a breeze for the most part, always gonna be some bumps in the road, but i would DEFINITELY GO FOR IT
Ok, please don't blast me, and I am not starting this thread to start a fight. I just really want some advice. I love the rezound, and I would like to get it over the Gnex as I don't like a lot of things about the Nex. However, I had the TB, and now the Bionic and I just don't want to be waiting on a never ending cycle to get to the lastest software(IE 4.0, 5.0 etc.) The reason I say this, is I know like with the TB it seems like the Devs have to build a whole new RIL in order to get the software to work with the hardware(at least in the GB and now the ICS update for the TB) and I don't want to have to wait for the same thing when JB comes out at the end of the year, but I also don't want to upgrade again in 6-9 months. I hope I have made my dilemma clear. I would like to know if you, as rezound owners, think this may happen, as I may just jump (regretfully) to the Gnex.
Also, Let me make this clear, I am in NO WAY degrading the Devs work here or else where, I am just impatient. And don't want to wait for many months for fully working roms that may or may not come. But there are a few main things I REALLY like on ICS, but the current build are just so buggy on my current devices that it's not worth using as a DD. Please don't think this is me fussing, or anything of the sort, it's just I'm looking for advice. Thanks.
The current ICS builds are pretty good. The devs did a great job with them.
As to your question about JB, only time will tell. I don't think that anyone has an answer to that.
I've had both BAMF's and Scott's ROMs on my Rezound, they are both very stable. The only thing HTC has said about the update regarding the Rezound is that it'll come later this year. It is not listed in the first batch of phones.
"According to HTC, we can expect to see the updates begin to roll out by the end of March for the original Sensation, Sensation 4G, Sensation XE, followed shortly there after by the Sensation XL. The following batch of devices will include the Rezound and Incredible S, but there is no time frame listed for that device other than, “later this year."
-Quoted from droid-life.com
I don't mean as much for ics as it appears to be currently working well on the device. I'm not shy about flashing. I'm just worried that the next version jelly bean may miss the device and it will be left to the devs to get it up and running. But that's been even harder on them recently, Atleast with my experience with the tbolt, as they have to built the Ril from the ground up, or so I understand. So I don't want to be stuck on current software. I'm not saying it will happen, I just want advice on whether I should take the chance with the rezound. I do really like the device.
It was my understanding that Jelly Bean was more like a Honeycomb release...
The operating system's next version jelly bean will be optimized for tablets
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Oh, I hadn't seen that. Thanks for the heads up.
Hello All,
I want to start off with a very big thank you to everyone in this community, everyone here has been very helpful to someone who is a general noob to HTC-Android devices (last HTC I owned was a TPII).
With that out of the way, I've had my Rezound for about a week and I love this phone. It feels great in the hand, has a gorgeous screen that is second to none, and an amazing camera that I'm happy to walk around with in case I need to grab a quick picture of something. Truly, this is a top notch device.
The problem I'm having is that after a week of owning this phone, I'm ready to leave stock. I was settled on CleanROM ICS for the time being until CM9 came out, but then I did some reading looking into CM9 which brought up a few questions.
1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
The main reason I bought this phone over the G-Nex was the SD-Card slot, the camera, and the screen. If development of an AOSP or AOKP is going to be lackluster because of the issues above, I still have one week to return the device and go back to my X for the time being. I will admit, I'm loving 4G, but I'm going to have this device for 2 years; I need to make sure I can get as much as I can out of this device.
Thank you as always for your answers!
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1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
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The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
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The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
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So what makes custom radios important?
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So what makes custom radios important?
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
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The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
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So con247- Do you think there is a chance that an ASOP ril will never be developed?
I guess my question is- how is the rezound>RIL>sense different than rezound>RIL>ASOP? If that makes sense?
It is possible it won't ever happen, but I have 99% faith it will be completed soonish.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
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Seems like an odd thing to buy a phone on the expectation of AOSP. I'm pretty sure we will see a solid AOSP ROM before long though. Not sure how development is going to pick up much more than it is. We have a ton of great ROMs that these awesome devs have been working on tirelessly since before the unlock was even announced. It's only been four months since the phone came out. The development has been moving at breakneck speed! The lack of flashing unsigned radios has no bearing on ROM developing. Con is dead on. Patience folks.
This may seem like a silly question, but I gotta ask...
Is it necessary to return my phone to stock to download the official update or should I leave it alone and flash dev's work as usual as they release work based on the update? Thanks.
I'm thinking that if you wanted to get the official update directly to your phone, you would have to return to the original stock rom and relock bootloader.
However, once the developers have this release, their roms should be far superior to stock rom, providing there are any developers left.
If they all abandon ship and move onto 4G LTE or some other phone, then you will probably not see that many roms. I say the sooner we get the official release, the better.
I'm seriously considering flashing the official chinese one already out for GSM.
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I'm thinking that if you wanted to get the official update directly to your phone, you would have to return to the original stock rom and relock bootloader.
However, once the developers have this release, their roms should be far superior to stock rom, providing there are any developers left.
If they all abandon ship and move onto 4G LTE or some other phone, then you will probably not see that many roms. I say the sooner we get the official release, the better.
I'm seriously considering flashing the official chinese one already out for GSM.
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I was hoping it would be that way. I will unroot if needed, but would prefer not to!
Luck for me, mikeyxda just said he isn't going to the lte for a while due to it not having a removable battery.
Bdozier said:
I was hoping it would be that way. I will unroot if needed, but would prefer not to!
Luck for me, mikeyxda just said he isn't going to the lte for a while due to it not having a removable battery.
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Also, viperboy and Vin promised to make sure their ICS ROM was solid before completely leaving the 3d (they already own EVO 4G LTE and have the first custom ROM for it). They said they do not want their name on anything that is not perfect.
I know what you mean about devs leaving. Since Mik (who wrote the Mikvirgin ROM) broke his 3d, he is moving on. I guess it will eventually happen, but I'm glad that some devs like Mike and Dropzero are not leaving for a while.
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This may seem like a silly question, but I gotta ask...
Is it necessary to return my phone to stock to download the official update or should I leave it alone and flash dev's work as usual as they release work based on the update? Thanks.
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NEVER ACCEPT OTA's.