I had a question earlier but i did not clarify it well. when i originally got my atrix , i thought it was a well known fact that although the phone has a full gig of ram, the phone actually just runs on 512 (even when i ran system panel, it showed 512). The reason that is , is because the other 512 mb is reserved for the webtop dock (or hack however you want to look at it). I understand some of the memory is reserved for the OS . but all my question is , now that we have 2.3.4, does the phone actually have the ability to use the full gig, well more like 800mb after os, if needed? Or is it still reserved part for the webtop. Now i may be wrong about my previous statement , but i read it on android central and a few other places and i have a friend who works for the devil (att) who also confirmed its just using the 512. But that was back on froyo days? Now im running 2.3.4 alien beta 2 (which comes with some optimized ram mod), is my phone now taking advantage of the full 800mb or no? thanks for the help
well from looking at system panel earlier, i was using about 812mb ram. 79% used. 21% free. sounds like a full gig to me.
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hello all,
sorry if this has been asked before (it prolly has been, i didnt find it though):
the atrix got 1gb ram right? after a reboot there is only around 570mb free ram...
after a few days without rebooting iam stuck around 440-480mb ram...
1st: where is my 1gb?
2nd: why do i even loose more ram?
sorry iam really new to android.
thanks for the help.
There is a reserve amount for android and motoblur then whatever apps u got running in background
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grncivic2001 said:
There is a reserve amount for android and motoblur then whatever apps u got running in background
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yea i know android needs some itself but is it 50% ??? i mean the LG optimus only got 512mb... in my case id have 0 left... something strange here?
i got the launcherPro running. should be motoblur disabled now?.
thanks for the fast answer !
Yes it has 1gb 200mb is reserved for the webtop and 800mb is for android
you might want to read up on how linux and android USE ram also. free ram is wasted ram
is it bloatware
So its normal i only have roughly 600 mb left. Ok thx a lot.
Can you help me with another problem.?
I read somewhere that you don't need a task killer. I have always used one to get back to like 500mb. Now you tell me unused ram is wasted ram. I installed autokiller after some advice and opened some games and stuff. Later i was at 154 unused ram. After 2 hours standby i was at 237mb unused ram. Would i ever get back to 400+ ? And is it really better or at least soesnt matter for battery life?
Thx for help
Smintz said:
So its normal i only have roughly 600 mb left. Ok thx a lot.
Can you help me with another problem.?
I read somewhere that you don't need a task killer. I have always used one to get back to like 500mb. Now you tell me unused ram is wasted ram. I installed autokiller after some advice and opened some games and stuff. Later i was at 154 unused ram. After 2 hours standby i was at 237mb unused ram. Would i ever get back to 400+ ? And is it really better or at least soesnt matter for battery life?
Thx for help
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I found that to be true (not needing a task killer) but only under Gingerbread (I've noticed that since I upgraded my Nexus One to Gingerbread), but on FroYo that's not really the case, or so I've noitced.
However I found that the task killer included on the Atrix works really well (much better than any other on the Market). It's just a matter of selecting the apps that you don't want to auto close and that's it. The battery last a bit longer and the device does not heat up at all.
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RayanMX
Heres how I see it.
On your computer, you're always scrambling for more ram right? Because you are running multiple applications at once. You have a music player, a game, chat, windows itself, antivirus etc.
On your phone, it depends more on your processor speed. You arent multitasking like crazy (and if you are your phone would start to heat up really rapidly) Android allocates ram accordingly to what you are running in the foreground and apps that arent open but were opened recently. That way, if you reopen a recently closed app, it is still in memory and will open quicker. If you don't access the closed app after a while, it will clear itself from memory. You definitely don't need a task killer for android, only more processing speed.
I only have 325 of ram
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you might want to read up on how linux and android USE ram also. free ram is wasted ram
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Bingo. So many people freak out that they don't have enough RAM... it's getting annoying seeing as how the Android OS has been out for a long enough time to understand this now.
Even of you cant find it it doesnt matter. Your phone will tell you.
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I have like 600 when running chongoblur it quickly goes down to 400 something but still this thing is a devastator of worlds
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I had tried two ICS roms so far as we lose over 100mb in useable ram going from gingerbread to ice cream sandwich. Just wondering if all of the ICS roms are like that or not?
Any idea why we lose 100mb? I'd really like to have it back
It seems like that RAM is being allocated to integrated graphics and I did notice this across the board between dagr8's and smartguys port of team perfection ROMS.
Subscribed for more information, good question if we can change allocation.
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
-Ryan
studacris said:
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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you are correct. Samsung dedicated more ram to the video card, which is probably to fix the black crush and gradient issues that are in the stock rom. Apparently the video ram allocated in gingerbread cant drive this monstrous display like they thought.
it does suck losing it, because its just that much less left for multitasking, but it fixed the display issues so its a good trade off for me.
also, this issue is not in android devices with tegra 3. With tegra 3 the video card has dedicated video ram, meaning that a 1gb android device shows 1 gb of total ram since its not shared with the video card. This is great because it means better multitasking because more apps stay in memory.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
ryandelman said:
There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
-Ryan
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It feel totally makes a difference, I have been complaining about this issue for the longest and all I hear is that it doesn't do anything to our phone. If it doesn't do anything why do I keep getting a message that states that I have no more ram and that it will close everything to free up ram. This is one thing that I really don't like about Android, I sure hope that this changes in the future, because no matter how much ram is installed on our phone we will always have an issue because we cant control what apps we can fully close..
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The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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Correct.. I lost 100mb or so of free ram, which forces the phone to swap more often. If we lost it to help the video card then that's fine, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something else.
Maybe with an official build of ICS the sluggishness will be better...
Interesting point here... I saw a screen shot of an international Note on ICS and the max free RAM was at 803 MB. Maybe its just an issue with our ics leak that we have so little free RAM?
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Been doing some testing on this. It appears that limiting the background applications to three returns the free memory back to gb levels. Been testing this all day with my objection rom, and my used memory has not gone above 472 used with 3 background applications running. That leaves plenty of room to run my games in the forground or office applications. Phone has been running smooth and with out error.
In objection rom to limit the back ground applications. Settings /development options / limit back ground process.
Also been looking at my wife's nexus with non rooted ics. Her phone shows 728 Meg of available ram. Not sure why our leaked version is showing only 656.
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Thanks! after reading this post...I went into the ICS settings on Unofficial ROM and set the settings to 3 background and kill apps on exit..it improved A LOTTTTT....Ive been lurking a long time and this is the best advice I have read!
Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
deeznuts said:
Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
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Android takes apps out of memory when another app needs more ram
Trust me... 1gb is fine.. no need for another 1gb of ram
If you really want more ram either make an AOSP rom or desense your phone
bilibox said:
Android takes apps out of memory when another app needs more ram
Trust me... 1gb is fine.. no need for another 1gb of ram
If you really want more ram either make an AOSP rom or desense your phone
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So basically don't even worry about what the task manager shows as free Ram because the OS will make it work basically? Makes sense but still seems pretty hungry to eat up so much. Really love the Stock JB 4.1 and Sense 4+ so really wouldn't want to get rid of any of that just to free up some Ram. Would just think factory though it wouldn't eat so much. I'm sure once i can get this device rooted though and flashing a custom rom should help?
deeznuts said:
Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
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i think that´s because of android´s ram management.
Android doesn´t allow that there is too much "unused" RAM because "unused" RAM is useless RAM... (hope i understood that right as i read something about it some weeks ago)
but wait for a detailled explanation of someone who is fitter at this topic than me
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Loving my device so far figuring it all out for a first time Android user, very happy. Just one main concern besides little petty ones is the available ram? Even when i first booted this thing up out of the box with nothing installed by me the Available Ram was only like 300mb out of 1gb! Telling me a couple apps running stock (which is only like 20-30mb total anyways) and the Operating System and Sense eats up about 700mb of Ram upon a fresh Boot? Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why the industry standard for these devices should be 2gb! My iphone 4 which i came from only had 256mb of total ram installed. With all my apps installed, using up about 15gb of hard drive space out of the 16gb model i had, i still had a solid 210-220mb of FREE Ram upon Boot Up! Apple is still very behind in this cell industry but at least they know how to create an operating system that doesn't kill your Ram.
Anyway to have more available Ram on this thing? Figured 1gb would be more then plenty when purchasing this device, after using it now i guessed wrong. Now with most of the basic apps installed i average about 250-270mb of Free Ram upon Boot Up. Still think that's pretty sad when it comes with 1gb of ram built in :fingers-crossed:
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Android does not use ram like windows. In android, having low free ram is a good sign that android is working properly. Does your device lock up or feel laggy? Exactly so don't worry
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So basically don't even worry about what the task manager shows as free Ram because the OS will make it work basically? Makes sense but still seems pretty hungry to eat up so much. Really love the Stock JB 4.1 and Sense 4+ so really wouldn't want to get rid of any of that just to free up some Ram. Would just think factory though it wouldn't eat so much. I'm sure once i can get this device rooted though and flashing a custom rom should help?
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It's not eating the ram, the ram has been set aside for rapid access by apps. read this webpage, Its about task manager but explains how android utilizes ram. http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
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Android does not use ram like windows. In android, having low free ram is a good sign that android is working properly. Does your device lock up or feel laggy? Exactly so don't worry
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It's not eating the ram, the ram has been set aside for rapid access by apps. read this webpage, Its about task manager but explains how android utilizes ram. http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
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Oh ok, thank you. Learned something new today, really had no idea and makes perfect sense now. You're right though, no lag at all. I mean i don't know how to compare this device but running the game Bard's Tale with the HD download version on all High performance and having a few apps also on in the background, zero lag while playing the game! Really am impressed with this device thus far, just was worried about the Ram appearance as I wasn't aware of how Android utilizes it, thank you.
Is your phone lagging? Android does an amazing job at providing the RAM required to function properly.
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Bump.
I'd like to know how much ram is available to the user. Can someone with an AT&T One X+ download Android System Info and share what the "max" is for ram? For example, on my 1GB GS2, it shows 836mb (user available).
It says I have 950 mb Ram on the android app management screen.
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Hello. First - sorry for very bad english. I dont been here long time. I have few questions, bcs I am curious.
I used before serious PC machines with Windows 2008 r2 Servers. Also Cent OS. So I am not so big Android expert but I know few things. I also used maybe 20 windows mobile phones before.
So I am limited with lang but I will try to explain problems. I will be little android hater. I haved HTC Tytn 2 for years. He haved 128 MB rams and with some lite/custom roms he run 40 apps without lag on Windows Mobile 6.1
Okay. My favourite Windows OS died so I must move on Android. Okay Samsung Touch Wiz / Android is cool experience. But only UI. I haved s2/s3mini/s3/s3 neo (at this moment)/s4 mini.
So why android suck ? On s2 we have android 2.3.6 (great) and mostly 4.1.2. First work incredible (so much free ram + older apps) nad 4.1.2 work great until last days. I mean today you cant run 3 apps and android close previous apps. Boring. 1 gb ram for what ?! Why Android consume so much ram ? For what ? Okay Android is cool, nice UI, but 1 gb on nothing ?!?! Okay. I understand foreground/background/cached process. I mean no matter how much new device you have.
RAM kill you !!! Later I buy s3 with quad - he suck. He consume more ram. Btw I root all devices and use scripts to debloat and I also alone remove apps/services. S3 is nice phone if you want to run 2-3 modern apps.
Cached process sucks. They slow down phones like hell. Okay I sold bad s3 and buy s4 mini.
Great phone 1.5 gb ram, solid dual core.... but we actually have 1.35 ram and 906 MB used on stock rom. Lol. I make serious debloat on 4.2.2 (brazilian) bcs stupid Samsung dont allow downgrade from even worse 4.4.2.
So after very serious debloat, scripts and lot of learning I make my best result. 312 MB ram USED from 1350 MB.
Super fast experience. I run 24 apps instant on stock debloated rom. I googled every stupid process. I removed almost everything expect contacts/sms/gallery.... I haved 9 icons. Only 5 active process. Super fast.
But after some time superamoled lose colors (i used him all day like PC) and my eyes was hurted so much. So I buy new s3 neo.
1.5 GB ram (1.35 available). On stock (no provider) rom he use 800 MB. From 1.35 GB. After 2 apps he is sooooooo super slow. And this is "smartphone" ?!?!?!? I cant run few stupid apps ? Bcs of lack of ram ?
Okay I modified script from s4 mini from Jelly Bean and I removed everything on Kit Kat. Result is 512 MB used from 1350. Okay. Not so bad.
I also save 20 GB old apps. They consume much less memory. So I installed same apps like on s4 mini with 4.2.2.
On s3 Neo with 4.4.2 they consume much moreeeeeeeee ram. Phone is super fast until you run browser + 2-3 apps. After that ram move on 1 GB used and he never user 0.35 GB. Limit is 1.35 GB.
So I am curious what is hell wrong with android ? If I dont have money to buy device with 3 GB ram I am in serious trouble to run smothly few android apps.
So from my personal experience expect pure CPU power, even Windows Mobile 6.1 with 128 MB ram do tasks lot better than android with 1.5 GB ram. Even my Tytn 2 run 30 much serious apps then simple android on 128 mb ram with no problem.
Every year we got new devices, new Android OS and more slower phones. I mean come on. For what android spend all my ram (expect stupid cashing) and make phone damn slow for every simple multitasking with few apps ?!?!
Only 2 android os what was good are : S2 with old 2.3.6 (old apps - blazing fast) and s4 mini 4.2.2 (serious debloat).
With my last phone s3 neo I am disapointed. He consume damn so much ram even if he is serious debloated (500 ram of 1350 usage). After 3 apps he slow down. For me is Android huge fail.
So I want to move on on Windows Phone. I always used HTC WM and Samsung Android.
I dont care for options and new os. I want to run super smooth browser, irc, image browser, badoo and to listen YT. That is all. So can someone reccomend me any newer phone (not new) what can do few simple tasks without lag ? Even HTC Tytn 2 work better than s3 neo (expect Popcorn movies - hardware). I really need new platform and good multitasking.
And why the hell Samsung make so good and bad phones in ssme time ? Amoled is best, specs are good but android sucks in every sence. Multitasking ZERO. Ram consumption WORST, performance downgrade after few even older apps HUGE.
I like s3 neo like phone. But I want simple stock os with 1 GB ram free ! Not to fill ram with 2 stupid apps. I dont have money for galaxy s5/s6. Android like OS on MY PERSONAL NOOB oppinion is worst experience.
Which phone to buy and what about Windows Phone ? WP look bad (ugly) but if he is half good like WM I will change OS. I only want multitaking sith minimal 10 apps running without problem.
Is it still possible to increase the RAM size of the Poco F1? I have the 6gb/128gb variant and I want to have maybe 2 to 4gb more RAM. I read around that it can be done with a swap file on older phones but I already tried that and even added up to 6gb but it doesn't seem to get used. Is there a custom ROM or magisk zip that can be used for that? My phone currently runs on Corvus with NGK.
The reason why I want more RAM? Egg NS. My phone frequently runs out of RAM and the game force closes.
Thanks!
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Is it still possible to increase the RAM size of the Poco F1? I have the 6gb/128gb variant and I want to have maybe 2 to 4gb more RAM. I read around that it can be done with a swap file on older phones but I already tried that and even added up to 6gb but it doesn't seem to get used. Is there a custom ROM or magisk zip that can be used for that? My phone currently runs on Corvus with NGK.
The reason why I want more RAM? Egg NS. My phone frequently runs out of RAM and the game force closes.
Thanks!
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What are these apps and games you use?
How do you fill the entire memory?
I switched to LineageOS + NGK because it's more stable. So far I only have DamonPS2 and Egg NS installed after flashing the ROM. Had no problems with DamonsPS2 even with stock ROM. Anyway, I said before the app in question is Egg NS, a switch emulator. The app needs 8gb RAM so the Poco F1 is short of 2gb that's why it force closes randomly. I get smoother framerates compared to stock but then I still run out of RAM.
Well, short of swapping the DRAM modules for bigger ones it would be impossible, and even then who knows if it would work?
Although now that you've posted this question, I'm left wondering if anyone has successfully done this… I know that Scotty from Strange Parts (and others) have swapped NANDs for bigger storage, but RAM I've never seen.
I think ram is included in the SOC, which means cpu, gpu, controllers, everything else will be also replaced if someone were to upgrade ram, basically changing the core of the phone.
I'm trying to make it work like this one. A really old post from 2012 so I doubt it'll still work for Android 10.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1659231
Oyee said:
I'm trying to make it work like this one. A really old post from 2012 so I doubt it'll still work for Android 10.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1659231
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In that case why don't you try zRAM instead? Depending on the kernel your zRAM (or swap, for that matter) capabilities may differ, but give it a go!
IDK about other kernel utility apps, but EX Manager has the options.
Ok I'll give that one a try. Just tried Roehsoft RAM expander and it still works but the game runs really slow when it's already using the swap memory. At least it doesn't force close now. lol