Sorry all for the noob question but I just wanted to be sure before I do anything more to my phone. I did a titanium backup on my phone before I started flashing ROM's but did not do a NAND back up. I have now done a NAND back up on my current ROM(that's working well). But I'm worried that because I didn't make an original NAND I may regret it. Is the best way to go back to a stock ROM, without losing S-OFF and ROOT, by flashing a stock ROM from here on XDA? Just want to make sure I can somehow go back to stock without losing S-OFF and ROOT. I promise this will be me first and last newbie question for me. Thanks all.
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Sorry all for the noob question but I just wanted to be sure before I do anything more to my phone. I did a titanium backup on my phone before I started flashing ROM's but did not do a NAND back up. I have now done a NAND back up on my current ROM(that's working well). But I'm worried that because I didn't make an original NAND I may regret it. Is the best way to go back to a stock ROM, without losing S-OFF and ROOT, by flashing a stock ROM from here on XDA? Just want to make sure I can somehow go back to stock without losing S-OFF and ROOT. I promise this will be me first and last newbie question for me. Thanks all.
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if you want to go back to 100% stock, i.e. to return to a sprint store, you can use the RUU and that will flash most partitions on the phone and return it to full stock (probably an extra step to turn s-off to s-on, but maybe not).
if you wish to return the /system and the kernel to stock w/o losing root or s-off, using a nandroid of when you were on stock or yes, loading a stock ROM with a stock kernel would accomplish the same thing.
hope that makes sense. feel free to search around the forum for answers and feel free to ask questions. we're all here to help!
Yeah that makes sense. Unfortunately I don't have a nandroid of my orginial setup before root/s-off, all I have is a nandroid of my current ROM, but didn't know if the stock ROM's on the forums here were basically the same as original stock. I know I'd have to set my phone back up again but that's okay. Just want something to fall back on in case my flash habits(now basically an addiction) somehow does me wrong.
I thought you needed root to backup the nand? correct me if im wrong
you cannot nandroid before you root. you usually nand right after you root, and that would have the stock os and s-off
Yeah wish i had done that after i rooted. Was too excited ha! Anyhow as long as i have something stock to fall back on then i feel better.
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Hey guys, nice section you have here. I've been reading all about the Atrix and have a couple of questions to confirm what i'm assuming.
Oh yeah, is the Atrix and Atrix 4G the same? I'm assuming so as i've not seen different specs or sections for it here, just wanted to be 100000% sure as i've never owned an android phone!
If i keep the Bootloader locked, is it impossible for me to hard brick the device? Seeing as though i can't freely flash to a lower firmware? (not including things like upgrading to official firmware and running out of battery etc, that's a sure fire way of bricking
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Just say i'm on 2.3.4 and i'm rooted and unlocked, if i flash CM7, can i reflash something like Alien or MIUI (when or if it gets ported) without ANY chance of a hard brick (AKA does it touch the bootloader and/or does it carry the risks which the flashing of a lower firmware does?)
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Would LauncherPro and other theme programs be available across the wide range of ROMS as long as i'm rooted?
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Thanks for your time guys, i'm busy reading up and watching the few videos on youtube (seriously, hardly anyone makes videos about this phone, what's up with that? ) I do have a cold right about now so will take a rest but i can't sleep knowing that i may soon be getting this phone (if my order for a Samsung Galaxy S (1) is not accepted by Vodafone and their stringent credit checks!)
Thanks again guys, hope to see you around soon!
The phone will be on T-Mobile in the UK. Hopefully!
First and last bump! I was wondering if installing LauncherPro would have any negative effects on the speed of the phone? It's dual core and has 1gb ram so i'm thinking the new launcher would not cause any lag but has anyone tried this and found out that it does indeed lag?
No not impossible, i would think it would be easier to brick with a locked bl.
Yes you can reflash, and no you won't get the "lower fw brick".
Yes you can use other launchers, always.
Thanks a lot mate.
To expand on the 1st answer, is it because with the locked BL, i can't install CWM so technically if i brick, it'll be harder if not impossible to fix it? So in a way, an unlocked BL is safer then, as long as i don't try to downgrade? That sounds kinda awesome!
Also, after the first flash, is it easier to flash another rom or is it the same process? I mean, is the 1st flash always the hardest and longest? Because i'm thinking that the 1st time flash would have me install a lot of things, and the next time i reflash, i can use the things i already installed the 1st time (such as CWM etc) to flash another rom can't i? I just want to be able to swap between a few different ROMS without having to risk a hard brick! Thanks for your answers btw, really appreciate it
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Thanks a lot mate.
To expand on the 1st answer, is it because with the locked BL, i can't install CWM so technically if i brick, it'll be harder if not impossible to fix it? So in a way, an unlocked BL is safer then, as long as i don't try to downgrade? That sounds kinda awesome!
Also, after the first flash, is it easier to flash another rom or is it the same process? I mean, is the 1st flash always the hardest and longest? Because i'm thinking that the 1st time flash would have me install a lot of things, and the next time i reflash, i can use the things i already installed the 1st time (such as CWM etc) to flash another rom can't i? I just want to be able to swap between a few different ROMS without having to risk a hard brick! Thanks for your answers btw, really appreciate it
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Thats right, the unlocked bootloader is the best way to go if you plan on flashing because of custom recovery.
Yes most likely its about the same process BUT, most if not all ROMs will have instructions on how to flash - make sure you read and follow them dont just "do what you did last time".
Prob the easiest way to swap between ROMs easily is to keep nandroid backups for them through cwm.
As far as it being easier to flash the next ROM because you can "keep things from the last flash".. NO you dont want to keep anything between flashing, meaning you should most likley always wipe data, cache & such unless otherwise specified (sometimes upgrading ROMs from one version to the next you can use a "no wipe" upgrade).
Thanks so much! Will install Nandroid asap when i get it! Also, i didn't mean "keep" things as in data and/or apps or cache or whatever, i meant like the 1st flashing would include installing CWM recovery, but the next time i reflash, i won't have to install that again, or would i? If not, then that's great!
Can't wait to try out Cyanogen Mod, theme it up, install some cool apps and just mess around with it! Bookmarked every section of the Atrix forum so i can easily read through it
Thank you for your time in helping a confused noob out I have read a lot of guides but without the phone in front of me, and me being completely new to this, it's not really sinking in. Once i get the phone physically in my hands, then i bet i'll learn a lot more!
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Thanks so much! Will install Nandroid asap when i get it! Also, i didn't mean "keep" things as in data and/or apps or cache or whatever, i meant like the 1st flashing would include installing CWM recovery, but the next time i reflash, i won't have to install that again, or would i? If not, then that's great!
Can't wait to try out Cyanogen Mod, theme it up, install some cool apps and just mess around with it! Bookmarked every section of the Atrix forum so i can easily read through it
Thank you for your time in helping a confused noob out I have read a lot of guides but without the phone in front of me, and me being completely new to this, it's not really sinking in. Once i get the phone physically in my hands, then i bet i'll learn a lot more!
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Nandroid backup is a backup through CWM, it is not a seperate app. As far as having to install CWM each time.. No you wont have to, the recovery stays but it should be updated when available, unless stated otherwise. Rom Manager will install the latest version of CWM for you. Doing a backup in CWM is known as a Nandroid backup.
Right, i get it now, i was confusing it with Titanium Backup but i've looked at vids about it and know what it does now. Isn't it risky to read/write from NAND a lot? Hmm
Also, if i Nand backed up my stock firmware (before i flash anything), can i restore from there and return to that stock backup anytime i want? If that's possible then i'm sorted!
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Right, i get it now, i was confusing it with Titanium Backup but i've looked at vids about it and know what it does now. Isn't it risky to read/write from NAND a lot? Hmm
Also, if i Nand backed up my stock firmware (before i flash anything), can i restore from there and return to that stock backup anytime i want? If that's possible then i'm sorted!
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I dont know of any risks to Nandroid backup, only benefits. I have returned to a Nandroid backup on my Captivate but not on the Atrix, i have created a Nandroid backup on (stock) Atrix and recommend do the same jic. I believe you can return to that stock back up (after flashing) if needed but first check out the section on fruitcakes, there is more info along these lines in that thread.
Reading the section now, makes little sense yet but i'm sure i'll understand. What they basically are are roms that don't touch the BL, so doesn't matter if its a lower firmware than the one i'm on because these fruitcakes don't look at the BL and will flash the firmware without bricking, whereas if i downgraded with a stock firmware or something, they touch the BL and will find out it's unlocked and on a newer firmware so the flashing ends up physically bricking the device. That's what i'm basically assuming. Also, read another thread where the OP said he recovered from a stock nandroid backup from a CM7 rom, which sounds a hell of a lot easier than downgrading carefully using special roms!
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Reading the section now, makes little sense yet but i'm sure i'll understand. What they basically are are roms that don't touch the BL, so doesn't matter if its a lower firmware than the one i'm on because these fruitcakes don't look at the BL and will flash the firmware without bricking, whereas if i downgraded with a stock firmware or something, they touch the BL and will find out it's unlocked and on a newer firmware so the flashing ends up physically bricking the device. That's what i'm basically assuming. Also, read another thread where the OP said he recovered from a stock nandroid backup from a CM7 rom, which sounds a hell of a lot easier than downgrading carefully using special roms!
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Dont worry it makes more and more sense as you learn and play with it. Your assumption of fruitcakes is my understanding as well. I agree that nandroid backup/restore seams a slightly easier method than fruitcakes, but thought I would include the fruitcake methods for you seeing as how you were concerned of a risk with nand, plus the more reading the better. Also NandBacks do take up a good amount of storage space, but are worth it jic. As long as you read you should be just fine, reading here on xda is the best thing you can do to keep from screwing something up. Good luck.
Thank you mate, i really appreciate your time! If i wasn't so ill, i'd be understanding more i think, but i have to look away every few seconds or else my eyes will explode haha, i guess i'm not getting the Galaxy S anymore, i hope i don't regret it! And with the method of hiding the unlocked bootloader, i'm hoping IF anything bad happens, then i still have a chance of tricking the tricksters who gave us these locked down phones in the first place! Android was supposed to be free and open I'm just glad at the thought of getting rid of my iPhone 3g + iTunes + Quicktime.
Also, in your opinion, is ADW EX better than Launcher Pro?
Hey guys,
Was having too many issues with GNex so I traded in for a rezound but hate all the bloat on it. Decided I'd finally stick my neck out there and try my noob hand at rooting and customizing it.
So, got my rezound unlocked and rooted and before i try anything, how do I ensure I don't brick the phone?
Searched around for a real dumbed down guide to backup and recovery but I'm at a kindergarten level with this stuff. For example, it took me about 4 hours to figure out how to unlock and root the phone and HTC gives you directions on unlocking.
Have titanium backup, and rom manager. I read there's 2 ways to create a recovery file - cwm and amon-ra, read about nandroid backup but don't know what these things mean or how they function.
Can anyone give me a quick tutorial in backing up the phone in case I eff it up?
Any help would be much appreciated, I apologize if this is too basic a question.
Thanks
No apologies! You have to start somewhere so it's all good. I would start with these two very helpful threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1418653
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1418659
I would recommend using the Amon_Ra recovery from THIS post.
Since you are coming from a Gnex...is it safe to assume you know how to flash a custom recovery with the boot.img?
It's not safe to say I know how to do anything yet haha. I liked the non cluttered feel of the gnex so I didn't mess with it and I never did anything with my og Droid. Never flashed anything so I'm about as noob as they come. I unlocked and rooted this phone and that's my experience to this point. Again all help is good
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Thanks for the links btw. Slowly figuring this stuff out. Got amon ra recovery now... What does that do exactly? Just trying to ensure I can get back to where.I am in case I mess up my phone. Should I do a nandroid backup? Not sure what that means either but I see some threads about how to do it.
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biond said:
Thanks for the links btw. Slowly figuring this stuff out. Got amon ra recovery now... What does that do exactly? Just trying to ensure I can get back to where.I am in case I mess up my phone. Should I do a nandroid backup? Not sure what that means either but I see some threads about how to do it.
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A nandroid is an image of your phone in its current state. So yes, you should do a nandroid back up now before you flash a ROM so if something goes wrong you can restore it back to how it is now.
Then if you're going to flash a kernel after you flash a ROM you should probably make one before flashing the kernel as well in case something goes wrong.
Then when you have the phone the way you like it with a custom ROM/kernel you can make a nandroid at that point as well so you have that handy in case of anything going wrong somewhere down the line or if you just want to get back to that setup after trying out a different ROM. Then you just restore that instead of having to flash the other ROM/kernel again. If you want you can make nandroids of all your custom ROM configurations so you can switch them whenever you want. Of course you should keep an eye out in the threads of the ROMs in case of updates, and sometimes you need to wipe and flash the new version if there is an update.
Here's a few links with some good info:
Beginner's Guide to Rooting Android Devices
Quick INTRO TO ROOTING for those new to rooting
[HOW-TO] ADB for Dummies(How-To Learner's Guide)
If you've never flashed anything before and are planning on customizing this thing; welcome to the family of rezound.
welcome! The ReZound in my opinion is a great phone.
Alright, got myself some good information from you all. Nandroid backup done and saved on my PC so now I'm good to ROM? Eager to rid myself of the enormous amount of bloat the rezound comes with.
One more thing to add for you to know about your original backup, or subsequent ones- that wasn't brought up here.. (smarter folks shoot this down if I'm wrong).. Someone stated above that once you have your nandroid you're always ready to go back to that original backup with a simple flash. This is not the case if he's gone to another rom that uses a different kernel right? It seems some devs have found ways to work the kernel install into the rom install/flash, and others haven't.. Until there's a standard- there's never a guarantee that restoring that original nandroid will bring you back to your original kernel correct? You may have to d/l and install the boot.img after the restore.
That's part of my issue now. I keep ready about flashing roms and kernels but they all assume some level of proficiency when it's something I've never tried. I'm thinking of starting with clean Rom 1.5 but I want to keep some apps like nfl. I just can't find the bare bones explanation of what to do with the file and how to get my data back after i flash that Rom (a process I am foreign to). I download the zip to my PC.... Then what?
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You may also want to get the stock rooted kernel, and keep it with the nandroid. If, and when you want to restore, place your nandroid, and kernel on your sd card. Boot into Amon ra, and restore, then flash the kernel in fastboot. Not the best description, but I hope that helps....
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I'm running ineffabalis with their stock rooted kernel right now mainly because I want to wait until the kernel update process is a little more streamlined and the kernels themselves are a little more ironed out. That said, the complete newb sticky guide over in the dev section has a process that seems easy enough.. Basically involves a simple fastboot command from dos. It's written for ziggys but should translate to other kernels as well.
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Let's say I make a Nandroid backup of what I have right now: Nils One xxx rom. Next I flash Joelz venasaur rom and decide that I like Nils rom better. Would it be safe to restore from the nandroid backup I just made or would it be better to reflash?
Edit: spelled powerful wrong, apologies.
Perfectly safe to restore the nandroid, That's what they are for. Just make sure to wipe first.
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providing you have s-off its ok to go to any ics rom you please as long as you nandroid, but form ics to gb you have to have the corresponding hboot, you can also do patched version but i really dont recommend it.
However , if your s-on you can go from sense 4 roms to others , you wont go past the boot up screen , and vice versa.
i could never get nandroid back ups to work on my droid x...it has worked flawlessly everytime on my rezound...not sure why but i suspect it has something to do with the work arounds regarding root and the bootstrap method for getting into a custom recovery...either way they never worked well so much so that i thought it was a load of ****, that is until i started flashing roms on my rezound...same thing with titanium back up...i spend too much time getting my apps back to my liking, so i may give TB another shot since i could never get those back ups to work either...
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Perfectly safe to restore the nandroid, That's what they are for. Just make sure to wipe first.
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The nandroid process wipes the partition before restoring so that isn't needed
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providing you have s-off its ok to go to any ics rom you please as long as you nandroid, but form ics to gb you have to have the corresponding hboot, you can also do patched version but i really dont recommend it.
However , if your s-on you can go from sense 4 roms to others , you wont go past the boot up screen , and vice versa.
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If you're s-on, you need to manually flash the kernel (boot.img) or use the helper script when going between roms with different kernels, Nandroid can't restore it on an s-on phone...
Thanks guys, question has been answered!
Hey guys,
Wanted to get a sure answer.
Whats the safest way to restore back to the stock firmware fro CM10 (or any rom in general).
There are two answers that i seem to have come across.
Answer 1:
Just download the stock firmware. Extract tar. Load onto PDA, check auto reset the flash reset and then start. Boom done! Everything reverts to stock, modem, firmware, kernel, etc.
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YOU MUST first flash stock kernel. So flash that first via odin then open odin again and flash the rom. If you don't flash the stock kernel first and then just flash the stock firmware, you'll have some issues.
As you can see, both are a bit contradicting. Whats the right method?
You missed one.
Make a nandroid of your stock ROM. then once you're done checking out CM or whatever else, just restore that. A lot less headache.
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You missed one.
Make a nandroid of your stock ROM. then once you're done checking out CM or whatever else, just restore that. A lot less headache.
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Yep, nandroid is much much faster. In fact I went to lunch today and restored my CM10 nandroid to show a friend. 10 minutes later I was back to my Samsung ROM. Its much easier than flashing stock, then re-rooting, then loading all your apps and data back on.
I had heard that nandroid restores between stock/CM9/CM10 were causing bugs, or something of the sort.
If it really is working that easily, I might have to give these CM9/CM10 builds a try. I just didn't want to play around with it for a bit and then be forced to set up my stock configuration all again, because I do have a need for a certain level of stability.
Edit: Ah, I was thinking of our Verizon version however. I think it might require an Odin flash back to stock, then you can restore a stock nandroid backup.
While I can't guarantee you won't have problems, I can say that I haven't had any issues while restoring nandroids.
*your experience may differ.
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What version of CWM or TWRP is working fine for nandroid backup and restore, specially for Tmo version?
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Hi all . I wanna ask u how to make nandroid backup when my phone isnt rooted? its confusing i wanna root if and install custom room but i read i must unlock with HTC site . OK but when i do that i will lose all my data ? so how to root before unlocking so i can make nandroid backup?
i suggest you do the process anyways.
im not sure if you will loose data (cant remember), but there is a risk as in everything involved to flashing.
in case you do loose data, to loose the least data possible, back up your SD card data on your computer. i also suggest you sync your contacts to your google account. once you have done that, you will only loose apps, app data, call logs and messaging history. you can redownload all the apps later, so you would come up loosing only your logs and app data.
i recommend you also get S-off (the wire trick is easy and fast), and downgrade your Hboot. because with S-On flashing custom Roms is somewhat of a pain. and with S-On you cant downgrade Hboot, and if you dont downgrade your Hboot AOSP Roms wont work. only Sense Roms.
im willing to help you if you are having trouble with the guides online.
also, is your Phone GSM or CDMA?
Mine is CDMA. i did everything (rooting, s-off, downgrade hboot, flash recovery). and it was pretty simple and quick. but i did loose my data. my SD card was untouched though
also, you cant do a Nand backup unless you are rooted at least.
but, after you are you will never loose data, as long as you make a Nand every once in a while, and back up your apps using Titanium Backup constantly if you decide to flash roms often.
well i wanna make nandroid before u lost my apps becouse if i dont wanna something i can always go back :/ so is there anyway i can root before i unlock my bootloader and is it nessesery to unlock and than root or i can root and than unlock?
P.S my phone is GSM
sorry but i think its not possible. since in order to do a Nand you need a recovery, and in order to flash a recovery you need an unlocked bootloader. sadly there is no "one click root" for the EVO 3D so there is no way around this. im pretty positive that nothing will go wrong when you do that, because if even worse comes to worse (bricking) then it can be unbricked. but like i said, its very doubtful that youll brick your device if you can follow instructions accordingly. the app Data will probably be lost, and i know that it can be a pretty big deal for some. so it would be up to personal choice. in my personal opinion, i would do it. since my apps are all online accounts that can be restored, and games that i can beat again any time. and the positive is that once its rooted, you could back up the app data and keep it even if the phone dies, or you upgrade your device. which otherwise you would have to live with the loss. anyways, in simple words, the app data will be lost. so its up to you if you wanna keep the data till your EVO dies, or to sacrifice it now and keep the new data forever (lol)
i hope you decide to do it. but if you dont, its okay. everybody has the right to choose. if you feel insecure about the process, look up some videos or something.
and if you DO decide to root your evo, this should be the most complete source if info (basically the one i used, but for GSM): http://androidforums.com/gsm-evo-3d-all-things-root/639453-gsm-htc-evo-3d-all-things-root-guide.html
here you go https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
wont make a nandroid but will atleast backup your apps