Hi all . I wanna ask u how to make nandroid backup when my phone isnt rooted? its confusing i wanna root if and install custom room but i read i must unlock with HTC site . OK but when i do that i will lose all my data ? so how to root before unlocking so i can make nandroid backup?
i suggest you do the process anyways.
im not sure if you will loose data (cant remember), but there is a risk as in everything involved to flashing.
in case you do loose data, to loose the least data possible, back up your SD card data on your computer. i also suggest you sync your contacts to your google account. once you have done that, you will only loose apps, app data, call logs and messaging history. you can redownload all the apps later, so you would come up loosing only your logs and app data.
i recommend you also get S-off (the wire trick is easy and fast), and downgrade your Hboot. because with S-On flashing custom Roms is somewhat of a pain. and with S-On you cant downgrade Hboot, and if you dont downgrade your Hboot AOSP Roms wont work. only Sense Roms.
im willing to help you if you are having trouble with the guides online.
also, is your Phone GSM or CDMA?
Mine is CDMA. i did everything (rooting, s-off, downgrade hboot, flash recovery). and it was pretty simple and quick. but i did loose my data. my SD card was untouched though
also, you cant do a Nand backup unless you are rooted at least.
but, after you are you will never loose data, as long as you make a Nand every once in a while, and back up your apps using Titanium Backup constantly if you decide to flash roms often.
well i wanna make nandroid before u lost my apps becouse if i dont wanna something i can always go back :/ so is there anyway i can root before i unlock my bootloader and is it nessesery to unlock and than root or i can root and than unlock?
P.S my phone is GSM
sorry but i think its not possible. since in order to do a Nand you need a recovery, and in order to flash a recovery you need an unlocked bootloader. sadly there is no "one click root" for the EVO 3D so there is no way around this. im pretty positive that nothing will go wrong when you do that, because if even worse comes to worse (bricking) then it can be unbricked. but like i said, its very doubtful that youll brick your device if you can follow instructions accordingly. the app Data will probably be lost, and i know that it can be a pretty big deal for some. so it would be up to personal choice. in my personal opinion, i would do it. since my apps are all online accounts that can be restored, and games that i can beat again any time. and the positive is that once its rooted, you could back up the app data and keep it even if the phone dies, or you upgrade your device. which otherwise you would have to live with the loss. anyways, in simple words, the app data will be lost. so its up to you if you wanna keep the data till your EVO dies, or to sacrifice it now and keep the new data forever (lol)
i hope you decide to do it. but if you dont, its okay. everybody has the right to choose. if you feel insecure about the process, look up some videos or something.
and if you DO decide to root your evo, this should be the most complete source if info (basically the one i used, but for GSM): http://androidforums.com/gsm-evo-3d-all-things-root/639453-gsm-htc-evo-3d-all-things-root-guide.html
here you go https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
wont make a nandroid but will atleast backup your apps
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Sorry all for the noob question but I just wanted to be sure before I do anything more to my phone. I did a titanium backup on my phone before I started flashing ROM's but did not do a NAND back up. I have now done a NAND back up on my current ROM(that's working well). But I'm worried that because I didn't make an original NAND I may regret it. Is the best way to go back to a stock ROM, without losing S-OFF and ROOT, by flashing a stock ROM from here on XDA? Just want to make sure I can somehow go back to stock without losing S-OFF and ROOT. I promise this will be me first and last newbie question for me. Thanks all.
egodriver07 said:
Sorry all for the noob question but I just wanted to be sure before I do anything more to my phone. I did a titanium backup on my phone before I started flashing ROM's but did not do a NAND back up. I have now done a NAND back up on my current ROM(that's working well). But I'm worried that because I didn't make an original NAND I may regret it. Is the best way to go back to a stock ROM, without losing S-OFF and ROOT, by flashing a stock ROM from here on XDA? Just want to make sure I can somehow go back to stock without losing S-OFF and ROOT. I promise this will be me first and last newbie question for me. Thanks all.
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if you want to go back to 100% stock, i.e. to return to a sprint store, you can use the RUU and that will flash most partitions on the phone and return it to full stock (probably an extra step to turn s-off to s-on, but maybe not).
if you wish to return the /system and the kernel to stock w/o losing root or s-off, using a nandroid of when you were on stock or yes, loading a stock ROM with a stock kernel would accomplish the same thing.
hope that makes sense. feel free to search around the forum for answers and feel free to ask questions. we're all here to help!
Yeah that makes sense. Unfortunately I don't have a nandroid of my orginial setup before root/s-off, all I have is a nandroid of my current ROM, but didn't know if the stock ROM's on the forums here were basically the same as original stock. I know I'd have to set my phone back up again but that's okay. Just want something to fall back on in case my flash habits(now basically an addiction) somehow does me wrong.
I thought you needed root to backup the nand? correct me if im wrong
you cannot nandroid before you root. you usually nand right after you root, and that would have the stock os and s-off
Yeah wish i had done that after i rooted. Was too excited ha! Anyhow as long as i have something stock to fall back on then i feel better.
Hey guys, nice section you have here. I've been reading all about the Atrix and have a couple of questions to confirm what i'm assuming.
Oh yeah, is the Atrix and Atrix 4G the same? I'm assuming so as i've not seen different specs or sections for it here, just wanted to be 100000% sure as i've never owned an android phone!
If i keep the Bootloader locked, is it impossible for me to hard brick the device? Seeing as though i can't freely flash to a lower firmware? (not including things like upgrading to official firmware and running out of battery etc, that's a sure fire way of bricking
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Just say i'm on 2.3.4 and i'm rooted and unlocked, if i flash CM7, can i reflash something like Alien or MIUI (when or if it gets ported) without ANY chance of a hard brick (AKA does it touch the bootloader and/or does it carry the risks which the flashing of a lower firmware does?)
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Would LauncherPro and other theme programs be available across the wide range of ROMS as long as i'm rooted?
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Thanks for your time guys, i'm busy reading up and watching the few videos on youtube (seriously, hardly anyone makes videos about this phone, what's up with that? ) I do have a cold right about now so will take a rest but i can't sleep knowing that i may soon be getting this phone (if my order for a Samsung Galaxy S (1) is not accepted by Vodafone and their stringent credit checks!)
Thanks again guys, hope to see you around soon!
The phone will be on T-Mobile in the UK. Hopefully!
First and last bump! I was wondering if installing LauncherPro would have any negative effects on the speed of the phone? It's dual core and has 1gb ram so i'm thinking the new launcher would not cause any lag but has anyone tried this and found out that it does indeed lag?
No not impossible, i would think it would be easier to brick with a locked bl.
Yes you can reflash, and no you won't get the "lower fw brick".
Yes you can use other launchers, always.
Thanks a lot mate.
To expand on the 1st answer, is it because with the locked BL, i can't install CWM so technically if i brick, it'll be harder if not impossible to fix it? So in a way, an unlocked BL is safer then, as long as i don't try to downgrade? That sounds kinda awesome!
Also, after the first flash, is it easier to flash another rom or is it the same process? I mean, is the 1st flash always the hardest and longest? Because i'm thinking that the 1st time flash would have me install a lot of things, and the next time i reflash, i can use the things i already installed the 1st time (such as CWM etc) to flash another rom can't i? I just want to be able to swap between a few different ROMS without having to risk a hard brick! Thanks for your answers btw, really appreciate it
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Thanks a lot mate.
To expand on the 1st answer, is it because with the locked BL, i can't install CWM so technically if i brick, it'll be harder if not impossible to fix it? So in a way, an unlocked BL is safer then, as long as i don't try to downgrade? That sounds kinda awesome!
Also, after the first flash, is it easier to flash another rom or is it the same process? I mean, is the 1st flash always the hardest and longest? Because i'm thinking that the 1st time flash would have me install a lot of things, and the next time i reflash, i can use the things i already installed the 1st time (such as CWM etc) to flash another rom can't i? I just want to be able to swap between a few different ROMS without having to risk a hard brick! Thanks for your answers btw, really appreciate it
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Thats right, the unlocked bootloader is the best way to go if you plan on flashing because of custom recovery.
Yes most likely its about the same process BUT, most if not all ROMs will have instructions on how to flash - make sure you read and follow them dont just "do what you did last time".
Prob the easiest way to swap between ROMs easily is to keep nandroid backups for them through cwm.
As far as it being easier to flash the next ROM because you can "keep things from the last flash".. NO you dont want to keep anything between flashing, meaning you should most likley always wipe data, cache & such unless otherwise specified (sometimes upgrading ROMs from one version to the next you can use a "no wipe" upgrade).
Thanks so much! Will install Nandroid asap when i get it! Also, i didn't mean "keep" things as in data and/or apps or cache or whatever, i meant like the 1st flashing would include installing CWM recovery, but the next time i reflash, i won't have to install that again, or would i? If not, then that's great!
Can't wait to try out Cyanogen Mod, theme it up, install some cool apps and just mess around with it! Bookmarked every section of the Atrix forum so i can easily read through it
Thank you for your time in helping a confused noob out I have read a lot of guides but without the phone in front of me, and me being completely new to this, it's not really sinking in. Once i get the phone physically in my hands, then i bet i'll learn a lot more!
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Thanks so much! Will install Nandroid asap when i get it! Also, i didn't mean "keep" things as in data and/or apps or cache or whatever, i meant like the 1st flashing would include installing CWM recovery, but the next time i reflash, i won't have to install that again, or would i? If not, then that's great!
Can't wait to try out Cyanogen Mod, theme it up, install some cool apps and just mess around with it! Bookmarked every section of the Atrix forum so i can easily read through it
Thank you for your time in helping a confused noob out I have read a lot of guides but without the phone in front of me, and me being completely new to this, it's not really sinking in. Once i get the phone physically in my hands, then i bet i'll learn a lot more!
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Nandroid backup is a backup through CWM, it is not a seperate app. As far as having to install CWM each time.. No you wont have to, the recovery stays but it should be updated when available, unless stated otherwise. Rom Manager will install the latest version of CWM for you. Doing a backup in CWM is known as a Nandroid backup.
Right, i get it now, i was confusing it with Titanium Backup but i've looked at vids about it and know what it does now. Isn't it risky to read/write from NAND a lot? Hmm
Also, if i Nand backed up my stock firmware (before i flash anything), can i restore from there and return to that stock backup anytime i want? If that's possible then i'm sorted!
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Right, i get it now, i was confusing it with Titanium Backup but i've looked at vids about it and know what it does now. Isn't it risky to read/write from NAND a lot? Hmm
Also, if i Nand backed up my stock firmware (before i flash anything), can i restore from there and return to that stock backup anytime i want? If that's possible then i'm sorted!
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I dont know of any risks to Nandroid backup, only benefits. I have returned to a Nandroid backup on my Captivate but not on the Atrix, i have created a Nandroid backup on (stock) Atrix and recommend do the same jic. I believe you can return to that stock back up (after flashing) if needed but first check out the section on fruitcakes, there is more info along these lines in that thread.
Reading the section now, makes little sense yet but i'm sure i'll understand. What they basically are are roms that don't touch the BL, so doesn't matter if its a lower firmware than the one i'm on because these fruitcakes don't look at the BL and will flash the firmware without bricking, whereas if i downgraded with a stock firmware or something, they touch the BL and will find out it's unlocked and on a newer firmware so the flashing ends up physically bricking the device. That's what i'm basically assuming. Also, read another thread where the OP said he recovered from a stock nandroid backup from a CM7 rom, which sounds a hell of a lot easier than downgrading carefully using special roms!
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Reading the section now, makes little sense yet but i'm sure i'll understand. What they basically are are roms that don't touch the BL, so doesn't matter if its a lower firmware than the one i'm on because these fruitcakes don't look at the BL and will flash the firmware without bricking, whereas if i downgraded with a stock firmware or something, they touch the BL and will find out it's unlocked and on a newer firmware so the flashing ends up physically bricking the device. That's what i'm basically assuming. Also, read another thread where the OP said he recovered from a stock nandroid backup from a CM7 rom, which sounds a hell of a lot easier than downgrading carefully using special roms!
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Dont worry it makes more and more sense as you learn and play with it. Your assumption of fruitcakes is my understanding as well. I agree that nandroid backup/restore seams a slightly easier method than fruitcakes, but thought I would include the fruitcake methods for you seeing as how you were concerned of a risk with nand, plus the more reading the better. Also NandBacks do take up a good amount of storage space, but are worth it jic. As long as you read you should be just fine, reading here on xda is the best thing you can do to keep from screwing something up. Good luck.
Thank you mate, i really appreciate your time! If i wasn't so ill, i'd be understanding more i think, but i have to look away every few seconds or else my eyes will explode haha, i guess i'm not getting the Galaxy S anymore, i hope i don't regret it! And with the method of hiding the unlocked bootloader, i'm hoping IF anything bad happens, then i still have a chance of tricking the tricksters who gave us these locked down phones in the first place! Android was supposed to be free and open I'm just glad at the thought of getting rid of my iPhone 3g + iTunes + Quicktime.
Also, in your opinion, is ADW EX better than Launcher Pro?
Hi All,
I've been researching this all morning and I'm not coming up very optimistic.
I've decided to go ahead and start getting messy with my Rezound. My first step is to unlock the bootloader etc etc etc. The problem is, from my understanding, your phone gets wiped when the bootloader is unlocked.
The problem is that I've been playing Where's My Water? lately and I'd really like to avoid losing my progress. Is there a way for me to temp root or start this process without losing my data?
Not really. Unless you already have root, you can't use something like Titanium Backup to backup the app data. There are other backup programs, but they normally only backup the apps, not the data.
If you are on the current OTA, there is no longer a temp root solution.
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Not really. Unless you already have root, you can't use something like Titanium Backup to backup the app data. There are other backup programs, but they normally only backup the apps, not the data.
If you are on the current OTA, there is no longer a temp root solution.
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Unfortunately, that's what I'm finding .
I actually didn't install Angry Birds for this exact reason, but when this game was $.25, I figured "What the hell?" Then I couldn't stop playing it :-(.
Is there anyway to make an Nandroid backup without Root? I found an App that will extract data from there (AppExtractor). I'm thinking once I have Root, I should be able to extract from a backup.
Same answer... without root, no.
You could try MyBackup Pro which does not require root. I think that is what I used when I first unlocked and rooted.
You don't have to wipe to unlock. You should be able to unlock. Install recovery app. Do a nandroid backup. Install base rooted rom overtop stock. Then titanium backup. Worked on my old base. Not positive on new ICS leak though.
You may get some force closes before you do a full wipe.
Sent from my highly modified ICS Rezound.
Thanks, but I already wiped :-(.
Got Scott's CleanROM now. Unlocking the Bootloader wipes the phone according to HTC, and it even warned me I'd lose everything.
I really hope this device gets some CM9 love because Sense is just ridiculously over-bloated.
Also, for anyone who hasn't put the leak on yet, ICS has been butchered. HTC replaced the People App with the same contacts you have in GB. At least Apex Launcher is sweet.
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You don't have to wipe to unlock. You should be able to unlock. Install recovery app. Do a nandroid backup. Install base rooted rom overtop stock. Then titanium backup. Worked on my old base. Not positive on new ICS leak though.
You may get some force closes before you do a full wipe.
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I am in the same situation, with a stock Rezound with some data I'd like to keep. Could this be clarified? I thought I could do a 'temp-root', but it seems that this was just for an old version of the stock ROM. I have software version 2.01.605.11
How do I "install recovery app" without first rooting, and therefore having to wipe my phone (for whatever reason)?
My phone recently lapsed from service with Virgin Mobile, and in order for them to reconnect my phone to their service they had to give me a new phone number. Predictably, we ran into some trouble when they tried to find my rooted phoned using their cell towers. They couldn't do it. They asked me to run the factory reset, but obviously that wouldn't work.
I need to be stock long enough for their towers to interface with my phone for a little while. What would you guys say is the easiest way to do this? I don't have to go whole hog and lock s-on this sucker, do I?
I assume that a stock based rom will work which would be the simplest.
-Nandroid backup
-Flash stock based rom
-Activate or whatever
-Nandroid restore
If that fails run ruu.
Activate
Flash recovery
Restore nandroid
There is no reason to s-on
Problems have arisen because it was necessary to get a new phone number to reactivate my account.
When installing any rom at all, my phone keeps identifying itself as having the old phone number. All the reset avenues, including a full wipe, haven't resolved this. Any clues on how to empty out the phone's registry so it can have a new number put in?
You could always just run the ruu pg86img.
That will leave you s off, but "factory reset" your phone.
If you want to root again, all you need to do is reflash your recovery and flash or restore
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Well, being the newb that I am, I updated the VM firmware to 2.95 before I'd done enough reading to know that that was a bad thing to do. Then I struggled for an hour or two to get the HTCDev unlock to work (eventually had to use an older version from the QADERSO download).
I'm now at s-off, and unlocked, but I am still unable to install superuser or recovery. I am unable to run any RUUs.
I would use the all-in-one-unbrick tool, but I am not on Linux.
Any advise, anywhere?
Feels like this stuff never ends. I now understand why this is a real business, such that someone should be paid hourly to work on this stuff.
If your phone is s-off now, you should Be able to run the ruu.
Why can't you install recovery or super user? What is happening when you try?
Dunno if I'm risking flaming but here goes...
Had my Rez from day one, the phone is HTC unlocked but S-ON. I am still running a stock, rooted and debloated GB rom (based on the very first OTA update we got way back when). The rom has run great for me and so I never really had much reason to update...
The ONLY persistent issue I've had is with 4G cutting out, usually whenever trying to watch vids on Youtube, or trying to use Google Maps. Works fine on 3G. Way back when, someone had posted a thread where a lot of people mentioned they were having this exact same issue, so I figured that it was not an issue with my particular phone or even the rom/firmware. Even non-Rezound Verizon customers were complaining that they were having the same issues at the time (early last summer) so it seemed to be a network issue.
Fast forward a year and no one seems to be complaining about this issue anymore, and my wife has a Galaxy S3 that does not exhibit the problem... so I'm assuming that one of the OTA's that bumped the Rez up to ICS and updated the radios/firmware fixed this issue as well, so I would like to finally update to the latest and hopefully be done with this issue.
I have been reading threads and I think I know what steps I need to take, and wanted to run it by you guys and make sure I'm not missing something or doing something I shouldn't be, and that I have them in the right order... so here's my understanding:
1. Make a nandroid and titanium backups
2. Backup everything on the internal and external SD card
3. Relock device
4. Do I need to flash back to the stock GB OTA (to restore stock bloat apps that I've removed) or can I go straight to next step??
5. Flash latest RUU (can I do this from a PH98IMG.zip or does it have to be an RUU.exe run from my computer? I strongly prefer the PH98IMG method if possible)
6. Unlock device
7. Flash recovery
8. Root device
I don't really have any interest in S-Off or any custom roms, so I have left those steps off. Even back with the Incredible and now with the Rez, I've always been happy with the stock Sense rom just with bloatware removed, and that's my end goal here as well. So, do I have everything covered?
Points 1 & 4
1. Use MyBackup root instead of Titanium.
4. It will do a complete wipe also in the process, not needed.
PH98IMG will work, I highly and strongly suggest contemplating s-off NOW(if you really want to, not needed) versus doing it after. The PH98IMG you might want to look at is 3.14.605.12. If it's of any help, there was a few OTA's on top of that, which VZW may ask if you want to take through an OTA on the Rez's rom.
cool thank you for the tips. I was able to get onto the latest global OTA and firmware without issue.