I recently bought the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and have 0 issues with it...now I am hearing rumors that the new Asus Transformer 2 with Tegra 3 aka Kal El is going to come out this October 2011..
For those who don't know what that is it's a quad core proc that is supposedly more powerful than a 2.0 ghz core 2 duo proc and also said to be 2 times faster for web browsing and 5 times more powerful overall than the Tegra 2...
Now for my question...I am still within the 14 days at best buy to return the galaxy...should I return it and wait until October for the Transformer 2 or should I just stick with the galaxy?
I absolutely love my galaxy but is the more powerful chip worth getting a slightly thicker/heavier transformer?
You could return it and wait for the Asus. Then when you get the Asus, there's going to be a rumor about a tab with the Tegra 4, in which case you could then return the Asus, or sell it, and wait for said new tab. See where I'm going here...at the rate tch is developing right now, there is always going to be something new/updated coming out within 6 months. If you're happy with the Tab, and if it does what you want it to do efficiently w/out too many issues, why get rid of it?
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You could return it and wait for the Asus. Then when you get the Asus, there's going to be a rumor about a tab with the Tegra 4, in which case you could then return the Asus, or sell it, and wait for said new tab. See where I'm going here...at the rate tch is developing right now, there is always going to be something new/updated coming out within 6 months. If you're happy with the Tab, and if it does what you want it to do efficiently w/out too many issues, why get rid of it?
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Thats true but id definitely be content with my purchase if i had 6 months between the next upgrade instead of 2
But truly, who knows if the Asus Transformer 2 will come out in October? Have we even seen a prototype yet? If you think about the GT10.1, the prototype of this p7510 version was first displayed in the CTIA in March, and yet it only came on the market in July. And only in the U.S., while it's still rolling out worldwide. So, I think it's hard to believe TF2 will be out in 2 months.
Even if it does come out, who knows if TF2 will have a lighter and thinner form factor than the GT10.1? Since you've had TF1 and GT10.1 you'd know, unlike laptops, slashing off weight and thickness makes for a huge difference in improving the tablet experience. Will the TF2 trounce the iPad2 and GT10.1 in form factor?
The roadmap for Tegra3 smartphones has already been pushed back to Jan 2012 at the earliest. Even if Tegra3 tablets come first, I doubt we'll be getting them before the Thanksgiving or Christmas holiday season, and when they do come out, Asus TF2 may be the first but not necessarily the best or the one you want.
But then Sammy, Acer, Toshiba only just came out with their first tablets this summer (while Sony still hasn't), so they don't have much stake in rushing out a Tegra3 tablet untill at least late this year, and more likely next year. I'd bet my money that if only cause of it's form factor, until iPad3 comes out in Q1/Q2 2012, you won't be seeking an upgrade. That is my 2 cents on keeping my GT10.1, regardless of Tegra3 rumors.
Truly, why hang on to the hypothetical, when you have the actual in your hand?
I'm still completely torn as to what to do...you make a good point where since the transformer 2 coming out in october is only a rumor and may not come out until november december...but since I am a gadget freak I don't know how I'm going to feel when there is a tegra 3 tablet b/c I am sure they're going to have all sorts of accompanying apps that can utilize the quad core proc...this is tough..
Wait for the TF2 if you don't mind waiting, see how you like it and then decide if it's a keeper.
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Here's the question I consider:
If you stick with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Transformer 2 does come out in October (or November), will you be saying "man, I wish I waited 2 more months for this to come out"?
At the same time, if you waited and got the Transformer 2 in November, when the next best thing comes out 6 months later, will you be saying "man, I wish I kept the Galaxy Tab 10.1 last year and waited for this to come out"?
For me, this is easy. I've never owned a tab. I rather wait 2 months as you said and know that the TF2 is at least the best thing out at the time with no drastic chip/gpu upgrades pending until at least Summer 2012.
I'd say wait it out. Even if it comes out late (November), you will be less regretful in my opinion.
Get the Galaxy Tab now and have fun, you won't be disappointed. When the TF2 comes out, wait for the reviews. If you decide you want it, sell the Galaxy Tab on ebay and buy the TF2.
That is what I did with (first) the Viewsonic G-Tab and (now) the Galaxy Tab.
Wait for the TF3, it will be awesome! No, wait for the TF4, that's really going to fly! Just kidding! Wait for the TF5! I've heard it will cure cancer!
In the meantime, please start more threads about tablets that don't exist that we should compare to existing ones.
Personally, I purchased a Tab 10.1 for 2 simple reasons:
- amazing quality and design, not found in any other tablet
- perfect companion for my Samsung Galaxy S2
I doubt that other companies will be able to match the outstanding Tab quality. It makes iPad2 look like a little crappy product from every angle.
There is no reason to be purchasing ANY Tegra 2 based tablet at this time unless you dont mind throwing away $250 just to use a tablet for two months.
Tegra 2 is an OLD SoC designed for PHONES not tablets. Its been around for over a year and a half now. About half of all videos must be re-encoded to play on Tegra 2 since it has a very weak video accelerator.
Tegra 3 will be the first SoC designed for tablets. You wont see it in phones until Nvidia shrinks the die to 22nm.
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There is no reason to be purchasing ANY Tegra 2 based tablet at this time unless you dont mind throwing away $250 just to use a tablet for two months.
Tegra 2 is an OLD SoC designed for PHONES not tablets. Its been around for over a year and a half now. About half of all videos must be re-encoded to play on Tegra 2 since it has a very weak video accelerator.
Tegra 3 will be the first SoC designed for tablets. You wont see it in phones until Nvidia shrinks the die to 22nm.
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All videos run just fine for me and smooth, tegra 2 + gaming = good times for me. Im glad to have my tegra 2 tablet.
If you want to watch 1080p videos and run games that require more than two cores then get a desktop and a 40inch+ led.
The asus transformer 1 has a lot of nasty bugs, battery/dock problems and poor build quality issues... It would be nice if they focused on fixing those things first before rushing yet another tablet into the market.
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All videos run just fine for me and smooth, tegra 2 + gaming = good times for me. Im glad to have my tegra 2 tablet.
If you want to watch 1080p videos and run games that require more than two cores then get a desktop and a 40inch+ led.
The asus transformer 1 has a lot of nasty bugs, battery/dock problems and poor build quality issues... It would be nice if they focused on fixing those things first before rushing yet another tablet into the market.
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What are you talking about??? The Tegra 2 can not even play 720p videos with even low-medium bitrate. It only supports the obsolete Baseline profile for h.264. Tegra 2 can not playback 720p in Main or High profile unless you re-encode the video to very low bitrate.
Education is key to understanding reality.
Whats the point of watching a 720p or 1080p video on a 10 inch screen? You will hardly notice the difference between those and a 480p version of the video...
Besides, I have watched 720p blueray video rips just fine using MX video player free on the market. Even the stock touchwiz video player plays most movies I have without issue.
BTW - http://tabletroms.com/forums/adam-g...can-play-720p-high-level-5-1-h-264-video.html
Knowledge is power.
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Whats the point of watching a 720p or 1080p video on a 10 inch screen? You will hardly notice the diffrence between those and a 480p video...
Besides, I have watched 720p blueray video rips just fine using MX video player free on the market. Even the stock touchwiz video player plays most movies I have without issue.
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Again, education is key to understanding reality.
The reason why you want 720p is because the screen is 720p resolution. You yourself have just admitted that you have to re-encode your video to play on the tablet. Quite funny as it completely contradicts what you posted just before. I dont think you understand how video playback works.
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Again, education is key to understanding reality.
The reason why you want 720p is because the screen is 720p resolution. You yourself have just admitted that you have to re-encode your video to play on the tablet. Quite funny as it completely contradicts what you posted just before. I dont think you understand how video playback works.
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I never said I had to re-encode any videos. Learn to read, I said I have no issues with playing videos on my tablet using MX Video Player or the stock video player, as I said before if you want to watch 720p video on a 10inch screen then you will find that a 480p video will look about the same.
Is it so hard for you to believe that I have no issues watching movies and videos on my galaxy tab 10.1?
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I never said I had to re-encode any videos. Learn to read, I said I have no issues with playing videos on my tablet using MX Video Player or the stock video player, as I said before if you want to watch 720p video on a 10inch screen then you will find that a 480p video will look about the same.
Is it so hard for you to believe that I have no issues watching movies and videos on my galaxy tab 10.1?
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Now this is too funny. You stated you watched a bluray rip on your tablet. Are you seriously telling me you put a 50gb bluray movie on to your tablet that only has 16/32gb of memory and played the RAW bluray movie on your tablet which is impossible for the Tegra 2 to decode? Seriously?
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Now this is too funny. You stated you watched a bluray rip on your tablet. Are you seriously telling me you put a 50gb bluray movie on to your tablet that only has 16/32gb of memory and played the RAW bluray movie on your tablet which is impossible for the Tegra 2 to decode? Seriously?
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There you go being a troll again... Stop putting words into my post that didn't exist. I never told you that I put a raw blue-ray 50gb file on my 16bg galaxy...
Every post I have ever read from you seems as if your just trying to troll and start a fight but you just end up looking like a sad angry person who thinks he knows it all.
Just so your not confused...
I got a movie online (that i own) that was a blueray rip 720p and it played and looked just fine. Maybe it wasn't the super duper high quality version of 720p or even the fantastical super high quality 1080p. All that matters to me is that it looked good and ran good on my tablet.
If i want to watch a movie in full blown HD quality I will do it on my 50in LED tv using my blue-ray player... Not my 10 inch tablet.
So you admit, the movie HAD to be reencoded to be played on the tablet. You see how your argument has fallen apart?
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For OP:
Get the galaxy tab 10.1 (it will do anything a tablet should currently do and quite well.) and when your sick of it in a year or so get the transformer 2 (if its build quality isn't crap).
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So I really want a Android 3.x Tab. and I really don't want an iPad 1 or 2. So since the Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB is $499 and got a good review and thought it would be great!
So....
Should I go pick one up or should i wait?
Way I see it it's a good buy if you want something now...
There are things that I know are coming but are probably not until early to mid next year and these are...
300+ DPI screen (much brighter and more battery efficient too!)
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Quad Cores with a decent GPU included (Tegra 2 GPU is meh)
I love the slim and lightness of the 10.1
I wont get another tablet until it has those features and is equally as light and thin and I know there wont be anything coming out this year that ticks all those boxes.
Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
It's a great tab but Samsung can be pretty sluggish with bringing out updates and imho they've messed up with the 10.1/10.1v/GoogleIO 10.1 model confusion and appear to be more interested in generating promotional materials than supporting their user base.
The Samsung app suite has little or no publicly listed support for the 10.1 range - even though they have the apps on the devices (take a look at samsung apps, samsung drive, etc for an example of what devices they support).
I love my Samsung 10.1v - but if was buying again for the first time - I'd consider the Asus Transformer a little more. They've been a bit more proactive with pushing out updates.
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Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I'm hoping the Touchwiz skin really is only skin deep and that we can switch back to stock Honeycomb without issues. I wouldn't be surprised if Google is twisting the manufacturer's arm to make this be the case.
TouchWiz isn't just a launcher - it's pretty pervasive.
It looks like at least some TouchWiz components will be needed just to get updates. Currently you need a Samsung account (part of the suite of apk's installed with TouchWiz) to update the firmware.
Not that TouchWiz is all bad. Once you remove many of the widgets from the Homescreens - it's fairly pleasant to use.
The most important aspect needed is restyling the theme & some perf enhancements then I think most people will be happy.
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I suppose so... That still doesn't change that 2000 devopers got 10.1 tabs though haha
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There are things that I know are coming but are probably not until early to mid next year and these are...
300+ DPI screen (much brighter and more battery efficient too!)
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Quad Cores with a decent GPU included (Tegra 2 GPU is meh)
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FWIW, Tegra 3 is due out later this year, though I expect you are right that they probably won't be as thin/light as the Galaxy. Motorola and Asus are among the first ones due out with Tegra 3 tablets, and at least in the case of the Asus, I expect the form factor will be similar to the current device, since compatibility with the existing dock is expected.
Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
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The initial ones were unlocked, but it appears that newer ones are starting to show up locked. Personally, I wouldn't expect better "XDA support" on the Galaxy vs. others.
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I suppose so... That still doesn't change that 2000 devopers got 10.1 tabs though haha
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True but keep in mind they were given out by Samsung not by Google.
The only thing I don't like about the 10.1 (and pretty much every other honeycomb tablet) is that they're all Tegra 2 and frankly... it stinks. It can't do 720p playback very well and the GPU "acceleration" is still quite choppy. I'm not sure why Samsung didn't just stick their Exynos into the tab but I suppose the drivers just aren't available in Honeycomb. It's a bit strange having a phone that's WAY more powerful even underclocked at 500mhz my Galaxy S2 still records and plays back 1080p fine. I can dump 1080p MKV files from my computer with no formatting onto the phone and it plays them back flawlessly while the tablet can't even play back 720p MKV's without problems.
The main thing that I want to use the tablet for is browsing on a bigger screen... which is alright but the browser is just not as smooth as "other" fruit flavored tablets. Also when not in landscape mode the thing just gets even more choppier. It feels like I'm beta testing Honeycomb for them...
I was also looking at the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer.
I have an ASUS Laptop and wondered how good the quality of the Eee pad is if anyone knows.
I returned mine. So for me, I'm going to wait. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 was pretty nice piece of hardware. Most of my complaints were with Android 3 though. I just don't think it's ready for primetime. I had way too much frustrating issues with it and too many app crashes.
For the $600 I spent on the 32GB model, I wanted something with more polished software. My $200 Nook Color performed better with Android 2.3 (CM7).
I'm going to wait for tablets with Android 4 to launch, and preferably something without a Tegra 2 processor.
Samsung makes a crazy number of phones, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have a new thin tablet later this year for Android 4 also.
Not sure where everyone's beef with Tegra 2 is coming from. From a raw processing power standpoint, the Tegra 2 is better than Exynos and only falls behind the newer OMAP 4.
Is everyone here running the 720p videos from the device? If so, what are the files encoded by? I want to try and see if I have the same results. I stream all kinds of videos through DLNA to my Tab 10.1 and I've only noticed choppy playback on some high definition AVI files - never really took the time to troubleshoot the issue.
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Not sure where everyone's beef with Tegra 2 is coming from. From a raw processing power standpoint, the Tegra 2 is better than Exynos and only falls behind the newer OMAP 4.
Is everyone here running the 720p videos from the device? If so, what are the files encoded by? I want to try and see if I have the same results. I stream all kinds of videos through DLNA to my Tab 10.1 and I've only noticed choppy playback on some high definition AVI files - never really took the time to troubleshoot the issue.
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Isn't part of the Tegra 2's problem it's lack of Advanced SIMD that everyone else seems to have?
The new TI OMAP 4 1.5GHz dual core and Nvidia Tegra 3 1.?GHz quad core both coming in Q3 got to be big performance improvements over the Tegra 2 that came out Q4 last year (feels older than that).
I'm quite confident that Samsung's TouchWiz will come with a much faster way of playing back videos. This was the case with the stock Galaxy S series of phones. They are all still the most capable phones of playing back DivX etc when running TouchWiz...
My guess is mid next year Samsung will release a equally thin and light tablet with their latest 300+ dpi screens and a quad core processor that will handle everything that honeycomb offers without a stutter... Can't wait for it... Until then I've got my slim light Tab 10.1 that does the job and works great with my Android phone and Google services
Yes, releasing a Tegra2 tablet now is pretty late. They had their shot with 10.1v but messed up nearly everything. And with Samsung support, this device won't see a shiny future. Despite all confusion Samsung doesn't say a damn word !
Then there is the missing sd slot and ports. We even got a worse 3MP cam while the 10.1v had a 8mp one. A step in the wrong direction.
Win8 beta is close (1-2 months), apple announced ipad3, tegra3 is coming too.
A massive change is going to happen until next year. Lots of arguments against the 10.1.
GT10.1 prices will drop big time soon. 300 bucks in ~3 months i guess.
Last week I was totally hyped but now it's getting easier to wait.
Still no release in EU. There must be some massive problems with that device.
I'm considering returning mine. There are a couple of little things that makes using the tablet as my main device a bit frustrating like moody text selection, keyboard disappearing randomly sometimes, choppy videos (was trying to stream Friday Night Lights on NBC's site, and it couldn't get through the first 10 mins), lack of honeycomb optimized apps, no Netflix, and even using Facebook thru the browser is quirky.
I have 2 more days to decide, and I'm looking into just waiting for the new Samsung Series 3 notebooks to come out also.
Hm, I checked the hits on xda. There are only 10k posts for the GT10.1 while the transformer has 45k.
Could it be low interest for this device?
I think it's more that the Asus has been out longer, and is also the most-sold Android Honeycomb tablet thus far.
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Isn't part of the Tegra 2's problem it's lack of Advanced SIMD that everyone else seems to have?
The new TI OMAP 4 1.5GHz dual core and Nvidia Tegra 3 1.?GHz quad core both coming in Q3 got to be big performance improvements over the Tegra 2 that came out Q4 last year (feels older than that).
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I did a quick wiki search on Advanced SIMD (I hadn't heard about it prior to you informing me ) and the technology looks more like it's applied to much slower ARM processors than the ones we find in tablets. Wikipedia specifically mentions acceleration for speech decoding and MP3 audio decoding at extremely slow speeds (15 MHz and below). Does this technology also apply to decoding videos, etc, at 1,000 MHz? I could see this possibly affecting something like playing MP3s while the device is in standby, but I don't know much about this technology.
When I use the Tab (and my 7" tab as well) I'm normally streaming video from TVersity on my PC to my tab via UPnPlay & Mobo video player (on my Tab 10.1) or AllShare on my 7" tab. I also watch flash videos (up to 720p - that's the highest res video I've tried). All work very well - there is some minor stuttering with the flash video from the stock browser, I would say it will drop a few frames once every 5 minutes.
I also do some filesharing over my network - such as transferring PDF files from my PC and viewing them on my Tab. I know that's not related to the video conversation - but that works pretty smoothly as well.
Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
Specs is one thing. What's important is real life performance and if there's any other possible flaw. Gtab actually looks not bad, but the software performance bogged it down. I'd by the time the Toshiba tablet is released, icecream sandwich may be released or close to be released. So unless the performance of the Toshiba tab is another class higher than grab, I see no point thinking too much about it.
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Looks almost identical to the Gtab! same resolution display too.... Won't be long before Apple will be taking Toshiba to the courts over this!! (or maybe Samsung will!??)
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Serious_Beans said:
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
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I looked at the Engadget review and the tablet looked pretty slow to me, I might be wrong. I'm very happy with my P7510 running on a vanilla 3.1 Honeycomb (soon to run on PhantomHacker's 3.2 vanilla ROM) and I'm looking forward to see Ice Cream on it.
The thing is, we will never purchase a tablet if we wait for the next "big one" to come out. Technology changes so fast that is not worth to trouble yourself. Just enjoy the tablet and use it to death, I personally think that my Tab 10.1 is an excellent product.
Well, I am not waiting for the next big one but just for one that does not have Tegra2 inside, looks OK, has I/O's I want and 3G connectivity.
So, just to have something for now I bought iPad 1 3G few weeks ago. As it is very limited device I was waiting for it to get right price. $350 for new one on warranty is OK. Now I can wait till end of the year to get Excite or Holiday or TF2 or Xoom2.... Will see.
If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
The Tosh looks very nice, another weapon in the Android armoury. I'm still very happy with my Samsung 16Gb Wifi.
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If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
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It would be all true if folks like me could actually get it.
IMHO if you want (especially 3G) tablet now, good one, for reasonable price, just to keep you going till the one you really want is out iPad1 seems like a great deal.
Does most of the stuff Tegra 2 tablets do, has 3G and new one can still be found pretty cheap (half of the zoom price for example). And form me video capabilities all almost the same.
There will be always something new and better than what's available currently in the market. By the time Toshiba excite gets released to the market, even more better tablet with awesome specs will be shown at a new tech show taking place anywhere on this planet Earth.
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Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
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I'm feeling exactly the same as you. The size and weight of the GT 10.1 was perfect but the poor video decoding performance of the Tegra 2 and lack of MicroSD card slot was a real let down. The AT200 seems like it will be perfect for me (assuming the OMAP proc is a lot better for video decoding). I just hope it comes out real soon to the UK market. If they delay it too long then I may be put off with official specs of ICS tablets.
It is the same SOC as in new Archos G9 series (like them but they look "cheap") and they say it will "Play" anything and everything. ;-)
Dont even think about getting the tab 10.
The Ti OMAP4 4430 in the toshiba is far superior to Tegra 2.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has A9 cores with Neon processing. Tergra 2 does not have the Neon processing and will be much slower when running apps which use Neon code and alot of apps are starting to use it.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has DUAL channel memory controller. Tegra 2 only has a single channel. Since video memory is shared, dual channel will give double the memory bandwidth which is highly needed since video memory is shared from system memory.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has SUPERIOR video decoding hardware compared to tegra 2. You can finally play real HD 1080p video. Tegra 2 decoder is so slow it cant decode main and high HD profiles which is what everyone uses.
For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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Full specs have been released.
Does it have an amazing screen like the Samsung SPLS? Screen quality along with weight is what made my decision. However im disappointed in the current state of honeycomb/tablet apps. I would expect apps like Google+ to have the hangout video support. Lack of skype video is also a huge downer. My older samsung galaxy 7 also had way better video playing support.
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For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
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This is a false statement. Never ever have I contradicted myself. Never.
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On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
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No, but don't worry, I do not think Europe has one either .
And two facts:
1. OMAP is a definitely better SOC than Tegra 2 - no arguing here. The only thing at which Tegra 2 might be better (we will have to wait and see, but I doubt it myself) is energy management.
I am worried about battery life of a tablet with 1,2 - 1,5 Ghz clock.
2. It will be cheaper in US than in EU - fact.
Now, one more "issue" we might encounter by the time it is in the shops. What will be a better choice - tablet with Omap4 or Tegra3/Kal-El with 4 cores and new architecture? (unless nvidia made an intel trick or the one they do with graphic cards - Tegra 3 is two Tegra 2 cpu's on a single chip - this would suck I think)
I've had my Prime for about 4 weeks, Friday is the day I need to return to Amazon, unless I can get an extension from Amazon. EDIT: Just talked with Amazon, they won't extend my return period. (My Prime was as Asus for a week, but they just tested it. And I was hoping for a fix for WiFi before I had to return it.)
My WiFi throughput is weak on the Prime. Both Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer have better WiFi, the Galaxy 10.1 is by far better.
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Why go back to an older model?
Though I suffer a random reboot maybe once a day, I plan to keep my prime to see what the Asus team says.
However, I do plan on buying my wife *cough* more for me prob *cough* the Toshiba Excite X10 when that comes out later in the month. That one looks real interesting as well IMO.
Prime or nothing.
I would not buy another Tegra 2 today. Prime is much better.
Why go back to an older model?
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Because it works?
Why go back to an older model?
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Because it works?
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Exactly!
Ride525 said:
I've had my Prime for about 4 weeks, Friday is the day I need to return to Amazon, unless I can get an extension from Amazon. (My Prime was as Asus for a week, but they just tested it.)
My WiFi is weak on the Prime. Both Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer have better WiFi, the Galaxy 10.1 is by far better.
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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No games out there are dedicated to the Prime, most of them will run on Tegra 2 based tabs. By the time the new games come out, they will probably be optimized for HD 1080 or 720p screens and quadcores which means Prime owners have to wait for the rest of the Android market to catch up.
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Prime or nothing.
I would not buy another Tegra 2 today. Prime is much better.
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Better at what, what apps are dedicated to the Prime to say it's better? Except for demos, I have not seen any review of games that demonstrates the power of the Prime either. Tegra 2 is still king of the hill at the moment.
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Better at what, what apps are dedicated to the Prime to say it's better? Except for demos, I have not seen any review of games that demonstrates the power of the Prime either. Tegra 2 is still king of the hill at the moment.
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People are always fixated on what is on the paper so since the Prime has better specs, people just bow down to it and try and look past its widely discussed flaws. How well did that work for the Philadelphia Eagles this past football season?
tedr44 said:
No games out there are dedicated to the Prime, most of them will run on Tegra 2 based tabs. By the time the new games come out, they will probably be optimized for HD 1080 or 720p screens and quadcores which means Prime owners have to wait for the rest of the Android market to catch up.
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That is COMPLETELY wrong. Completely. There are Tegra 3 optimized games.
First of all there is Glowball, something NO Tegra 2 tablet can run.
Secondly, when you play games like Shawdowrun HD, Riptide, and Shinerunner the quality of graphics is improved on Tegra 3 devices.
Even better, in the Tegra Zone there is a pile of stereoscopic 3D games that will play in 3D on a 3D TV if you hook up your Prime. Just last night I was playing Riptide in 3D on my Samsung 3D plasma, something NO Tegra 2 device can do.
Better at what, what apps are dedicated to the Prime to say it's better? Except for demos, I have not seen any review of games that demonstrates the power of the Prime either. Tegra 2 is still king of the hill at the moment.
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Bull. The Tegra 2 sucks. Outright sucks.
First of all, the GPU is too weak for the resolution of Android tablets. Even with Tegra 2 games the Prime plays the games MUCH smoother. Tegra 2's GPU was meant for WVGA resolutions not 720p+. The Tegra 2 is SPANKED by not only the Tegra 3 but also the Mali in the SGS2 and the iPad 2' GPU.
Simply put, if you want smooth gameplay, Tegra 2 is simply not a good option.
Then there are the other problems with Tegra 2- NO high profile h264 support (so FORGET playing mkvs in hardware mode), NO NEON support (when MANY apps optimize for NEON because quite simply every other major SoC- including Tegra 3- has NEON support), and a lower per-core clockspeed.
I can understand someone not wanting the Prime because of issues, but lets not pretend the original is something it is not.
Buying a TF101 today is like buying a freaking brand new Pentium D desktop- it was fine in its day but nowadays the alternatives are MAGNITUDES faster. In particular, the Prime is at least three times faster than the TF101.
The better solution is to wait for other Tegra 3 tablets. Pretending Tegra 2 is still a good value in 2012 doesn't help anyone. There is a reason Tegra 2 ended up being the low-end of the last generation of dual-core SoCs.
its that aluminum case thats messing it up they should of just made it out of plastic and stop trying to be to damn flashy
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the older prime is TRASH check these out http://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-tablets-2012-49160/
Ride525 said:
I've had my Prime for about 4 weeks, Friday is the day I need to return to Amazon, unless I can get an extension from Amazon. EDIT: Just talked with Amazon, they won't extend my return period. (My Prime was as Asus for a week, but they just tested it. And I was hoping for a fix for WiFi before I had to return it.)
My WiFi throughput is weak on the Prime. Both Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer have better WiFi, the Galaxy 10.1 is by far better.
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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If anyone feels so strongly that they should get an original Transformer, then I'm ready to sell mine (along with its dock). It's in good shape and works fine (for a Tegra 2-based tablet). Personally, I much prefer using my Prime, and so if you're set on buying an OG Transformer and want to save a few bucks, then PM me and let me know how much you're willing to pay for the privilege.
wynand32 said:
If anyone feels so strongly that they should get an original Transformer, then I'm ready to sell mine (along with its dock). It's in good shape and works fine (for a Tegra 2-based tablet). Personally, I much prefer using my Prime, and so if you're set on buying an OG Transformer and want to save a few bucks, then PM me and let me know how much you're willing to pay for the privilege.
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Nice infomercial.
If people are looking for alternates or something to hold them over until something different comes out there are two deals going on now...
1) Staples is discontinuing the OG Zoom and selling them for $249. Accessories are 75% off too. It has ICS. It's only available in store and they're hard to find.
2) Costco has the 16GB G-Tab w/rebate in-store only for $389. That includes the OEM Samsung case.
LunaWizard said:
the older prime is TRASH check these out http://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-tablets-2012-49160/
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Oh, my, the yet-to-be-released Transformer Prime TF700T is the "Best Overall" tablet of 2012? A bit premature, I would say....
BarryH_GEG said:
If people are looking for alternates or something to hold them over until something different comes out there are two deals going on now...
1) Staples is discontinuing the OG Zoom and selling them for $249. Accessories are 75% off too. It has ICS. It's only available in store and they're hard to find.
2) Costco has the 16GB G-Tab w/rebate in-store only for $389. That includes the OEM Samsung case.
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Amazon has the 16GB OG Transformer for $349. Best Buy has the 32 GB version for $399.
tedr44 said:
No games out there are dedicated to the Prime, most of them will run on Tegra 2 based tabs. By the time the new games come out, they will probably be optimized for HD 1080 or 720p screens and quadcores which means Prime owners have to wait for the rest of the Android market to catch up.
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Better at what, what apps are dedicated to the Prime to say it's better? Except for demos, I have not seen any review of games that demonstrates the power of the Prime either. Tegra 2 is still king of the hill at the moment.
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The Prime is WAY better for video decoding as it supports NEON instructions
I like my prime a lot better then my tf101... Like pretty much every new android device I have ever had phones including the first 3 to 8 months of its life is buggy until the developers work it all out, they are slow. The original tf101 was also plagued with issues when it first released and honestly still has some. I sold mine to a friend for 200 a couple weeks ago. It should be getting ICS this month so it should get better...should...
But even my phones that are android based have all had their problems. The best ones are the ones that got a good open source developer making custom roms that work great. I am running a vibrant and a mytouch with custom roms and they are awesome. I cant wait till Asus releases the bootloader unlocked.
There is sooo much you can do with software man. I'm amazed how good the prime runs right now. Its the first tegra3 quad core device (drivers will get much better) and its one of the first ICS devices, which also isnt perfect yet. The bootloader will be unlocked soon...
Yes the aluminum case isnt optimal for radio signals. But in my case all radio related stuff works just fine (even GPS when i'm outside - i get a fix in under 1min). What i want to say there are some hardware limitations but overall i'm sure in 6months EVERY aspect of the Prime will be much improved.
I witnessed that on my past 2 phones. You should compare my DHD from when I first bought it with stock&branded Froyo/Sense 2.0 firmware, to now with a Custom rom and Gingerbread 2.3.5/Sense 3.5. Its like a completely new phone. Battery life is almost doubled for example.
But the OP is right. If you want a device with good software you should not buy a completely new device. But does that justify buying an older phone/tablet? For me i dont think so. I think its much better to look for popular devices that will likely have a big community and many devs. And of course are unlockable. Thats why i know the Prime is an awesome device. I'm sure devs will do great things with it
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That is COMPLETELY wrong. Completely. There are Tegra 3 optimized games.
First of all there is Glowball, something NO Tegra 2 tablet can run.
Secondly, when you play games like Shawdowrun HD, Riptide, and Shinerunner the quality of graphics is improved on Tegra 3 devices.
Even better, in the Tegra Zone there is a pile of stereoscopic 3D games that will play in 3D on a 3D TV if you hook up your Prime. Just last night I was playing Riptide in 3D on my Samsung 3D plasma, something NO Tegra 2 device can do.
Bull. The Tegra 2 sucks. Outright sucks.
First of all, the GPU is too weak for the resolution of Android tablets. Even with Tegra 2 games the Prime plays the games MUCH smoother. Tegra 2's GPU was meant for WVGA resolutions not 720p+. The Tegra 2 is SPANKED by not only the Tegra 3 but also the Mali in the SGS2 and the iPad 2' GPU.
Simply put, if you want smooth gameplay, Tegra 2 is simply not a good option.
Then there are the other problems with Tegra 2- NO high profile h264 support (so FORGET playing mkvs in hardware mode), NO NEON support (when MANY apps optimize for NEON because quite simply every other major SoC- including Tegra 3- has NEON support), and a lower per-core clockspeed.
I can understand someone not wanting the Prime because of issues, but lets not pretend the original is something it is not.
Buying a TF101 today is like buying a freaking brand new Pentium D desktop- it was fine in its day but nowadays the alternatives are MAGNITUDES faster. In particular, the Prime is at least three times faster than the TF101.
The better solution is to wait for other Tegra 3 tablets. Pretending Tegra 2 is still a good value in 2012 doesn't help anyone. There is a reason Tegra 2 ended up being the low-end of the last generation of dual-core SoCs.
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Tegra 2 really is pathetic. My Galaxy Note has the 1.4ghz Exynos which simply wrecks the Tegra 2 in terms of SoC performance.
Ride525 said:
I don't play games, and was thinking of returning the Prime and getting something the performs better on WiFi, perhaps the original Transformer, TF101.
I thought I would post here, since many of you have experience with both the TF101 and TF201, and see what you might suggest.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Why would you want to support Asus by getting the TF101 when they refuse to admit there is a problem with the Prime? Until they fix the issue with the Prime, we all should stop purchasing Asus products (at least their tablets) and send them a message.
sirnice said:
Why would you want to support Asus by getting the TF101 when they refuse to admit there is a problem with the Prime? Until they fix the issue with the Prime, we all should stop purchasing Asus products (at least their tablets) and send them a message.
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Well, I know what Asus knows there is a WiFi problem. And that Asus is working to fix it.
I'm just looking to get the best tablet for me. I thought that might be the Prime, but the WiFi is definitely weaker than other tablets I've checked.
xceebeex said:
People are always fixated on what is on the paper so since the Prime has better specs, people just bow down to it and try and look past its widely discussed flaws. How well did that work for the Philadelphia Eagles this past football season?
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Hey, yo, why you have to take a shot at my Eagles in a thread about a tablet??
I know you all are probably tired of seeing this but I didn't see this question in the first 3 pages of the prime so i decided to ask once more.
i'm really debating if i should get this one...the ipad2 the ipad3 or wait until the infinity comes out.
to me the price is the biggest concern. the ipad2 right now is selling for $360. But I believe the prime is definitely better than the ipad2 but it is $499. The new Ipad3 is also $499 for the 16gb model and has a better display. I realize that the display might not be such a big deal but it can play 1080p..can the Prime play 1080p? or just 720p? Also people are claiming that the Ipad3 gets better FPS in games due to quad core graphics. Also when the infinity comes out the price is rumored to be at $599 ..so $100 more than the current transformer. From most reviews it seems like it will be the same thing just better res so i don't know if that is worth $100 more. I will have to stay at $500 or less.
Also, people have been saying that the latest software update fixed the GPS and wifi. Can someone please confirm this? I thought this was a hardware issue with the back cover being aluminum so i'm not sure how a software update can fix this.
I've always been anti-apple so its hard for me to buy an apple product now but the price of the ipad 2 seems too good to pass up and then when i consider getting the prime i can use that $ to get the ipad3 with a better display. So i'm having a hard time talking myself out of not getting apple at the moment.
I will mostly be using the tablet to watch movies (netflix...and others so i do need codec compatibility (like .avi and such), also for work (taking notes), and for light gaming..to moderate gaming.
You can do a few things:
1) Pick up the current Prime and try it out and return it if you don't like it or experience too many issues with it
2) You can do the same thing with the new iPad and return it if you aren't satisfied.
3) Or you can wait for the Infinity and wait for reviews to trickle out and see if ASUS has addressed many of the issues that still plague some of the current Prime tablets.
From a former TFP owner, I would not suggest you to get the Prime at all. You are better of waiting for the 700 or getting the iPad. The gps and weak wifi will never be fixed. It is a design issue. Look all all the people "solving" the gps issue with aluminum foil, or beer cans, or what not.
-the Prime does not have a 1080 p display so it won't play anything back in 1080p
-the graphics are better on the iPad. The A5 already smoked the Tegra 3 in some areas and now the improved A5x is "4 times the power of Tegra 3" (maybe a stretch, you are up to verifying this yourself.) and you bet there will be more high quality games on the iPad.
-the 700 will have a higher res screen but the most important IMO is the new plastic strip on the back for wifi and gps. (which is also a proof that that messed up the TFP)
-video codec handling will be different between iOS and android (superior on android) on Android you just transfer the video to your Prime and open it with a file manager then choose the app you want to play the video with, on iOS, you have to transfer the videos to the memory of a certain app and you will be able to play the videos with that certain app.
What sort of anti Apple are you. The "I hate Apple as a company and won't buy anything from them even if it is good" or the "I hate how Apple handles their OS", etc
xGary said:
From a former TFP owner, I would not suggest you to get the Prime at all. You are better of waiting for the 700 or getting the iPad. The gps and weak wifi will never be fixed. It is a design issue. Look all all the people "solving" the gps issue with aluminum foil, or beer cans, or what not.
-the Prime does not have a 1080 p display so it won't play anything back in 1080p
-the graphics are better on the iPad. The A5 already smoked the Tegra 3 in some areas and now the improved A5x is "4 times the power of Tegra 3" (maybe a stretch, you are up to verifying this yourself.) and you bet there will be more high quality games on the iPad.
-the 700 will have a higher res screen but the most important IMO is the new plastic strip on the back for wifi and gps. (which is also a proof that that messed up the TFP)
-video codec handling will be different between iOS and android (superior on android) on Android you just transfer the video to your Prime and open it with a file manager then choose the app you want to play the video with, on iOS, you have to transfer the videos to the memory of a certain app and you will be able to play the videos with that certain app.
What sort of anti Apple are you. The "I hate Apple as a company and won't buy anything from them even if it is good" or the "I hate how Apple handles their OS", etc
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i'm more of a "i don't like apple because you don't get enough for the price" but that argument doesn't seem to apply at the moment. i did see the new acer iconia is coming out in april with the tegra 3. So i can wait another month and see if the transformer price goes down.
i don't know how you can say that tegra 3 is not better than the processor for ipad2 and not equivalent to the processor for ipad3. Where are you getting your comparisons?
i saw the following on zdnet. but note you get more texture and details with the tegra 3 in shadowgun..so the fps is lower..which makes sense. to compare as equals you would have to disable the textures and see what fps you get then.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/a5x-vs-tegra-3-benchmarked/19138
I bought my prime about 2 weeks ago brand new, was hoping for the latest serial but ended with a C10. So far NO issues at all, I don't use GPS on my tablet (never even tried it), I have a phone for that.
But wifi has been fine so far, weaker than my galaxy s2, but still useable at home and at school for me.
I use mines for eBooks, comics, movies, notetaking, and some small games. Haven't had any issues, positive experience so far
Look man. Iproducts are basically for kids and people who have no idea what theese things are supposed to be capable of in my opinion. Crippled machines. They couls be great but apple wants to squeeze every cent outa your wallet. Id rather have a pandigital novel.
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i'm more of a "i don't like apple because you don't get enough for the price" but that argument doesn't seem to apply at the moment. i did see the new acer iconia is coming out in april with the tegra 3. So i can wait another month and see if the transformer price goes down.
i don't know how you can say that tegra 3 is not better than the processor for ipad2 and not equivalent to the processor for ipad3. Where are you getting your comparisons?
i saw the following on zdnet. but note you get more texture and details with the tegra 3 in shadowgun..so the fps is lower..which makes sense. to compare as equals you would have to disable the textures and see what fps you get then.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/a5x-vs-tegra-3-benchmarked/19138
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ShadowGun is a different story. ShadowGun is optimized for Tegra 3 and was one of their "show off" games for Tegra. That doesn't mean that they can't replicate the same details on the A5X. But benchmarks don't matter. Im sure both processors are capable of pushing out great graphics. But the problem is which OS will push out more games that use such processing power. And you bet it is going to be on iOS.
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Look man. Iproducts are basically for kids and people who have no idea what theese things are supposed to be capable of in my opinion. Crippled machines. They couls be great but apple wants to squeeze every cent outa your wallet. Id rather have a pandigital novel.
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Woah. Calm down there. I use a Android phone and an iPad. Android phones are very capable but Android tabs are a different story. I think YOU don't know what your device is capable of. Im not the one running blown up SMARTPHONE apps on my TABLET. And before you tell me that apps on Android are designed to work with higher resolutions, there is a difference between blown up smart phone apps with great resolution versus tablet apps that actually take advantage of the screen estate.
Perhaps you could educate me on what you are capable of that general consumers care about but cant do on iOS.
For watching movie, I would say a Android Tablet, the Prime or other equivalant coming out, there are various topic on the general section, you can read about the tablet coming out then.
Here is the Tegra3 tablet coming out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
1. Extra storage through Micro-SD, SD card (Drag and drop)
2. Multiple media player choice each with their own codec(Dice player, MX player, Mobo Player, etc)
xGary said:
From a former TFP owner, I would not suggest you to get the Prime at all. You are better of waiting for the 700 or getting the iPad. The gps and weak wifi will never be fixed. It is a design issue. Look all all the people "solving" the gps issue with aluminum foil, or beer cans, or what not.
-the Prime does not have a 1080 p display so it won't play anything back in 1080p
-the graphics are better on the iPad. The A5 already smoked the Tegra 3 in some areas and now the improved A5x is "4 times the power of Tegra 3" (maybe a stretch, you are up to verifying this yourself.) and you bet there will be more high quality games on the iPad.
-the 700 will have a higher res screen but the most important IMO is the new plastic strip on the back for wifi and gps. (which is also a proof that that messed up the TFP)
-video codec handling will be different between iOS and android (superior on android) on Android you just transfer the video to your Prime and open it with a file manager then choose the app you want to play the video with, on iOS, you have to transfer the videos to the memory of a certain app and you will be able to play the videos with that certain app.
What sort of anti Apple are you. The "I hate Apple as a company and won't buy anything from them even if it is good" or the "I hate how Apple handles their OS", etc
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-- I'm not sure what people really plan on using GPS for? I understand it's suppose to come w/ it... but it's not like these tablets are 3g/4g data ready. So what are they planning on doing w/ GPS?
-- I think 1080p is overrated for movies. For one, when you're DL/streaming movies, it's NEVER in 1080p. If you're some how ripping off Bluerays, than yes, it may matter. But most DL movies aren't in even 1080p.
And TBH, put a 1080p and 720p TV side by side..... you will not tell the difference. I use to be an installer for Magnolia HT. And we sat there comparing the pictures with REGULAR content -- meaning video games, normal HD content from Dish/Cable -- it will not make a difference. Again 1080p only starts to make a difference if you're playing 1080p content, which in reality isn't a lot.
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-- I'm not sure what people really plan on using GPS for? I understand it's suppose to come w/ it... but it's not like these tablets are 3g/4g data ready. So what are they planning on doing w/ GPS?
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Not sure what you mean. GPS is supposed to work with or without 3g/4g. I don't drive so sometimes when I bus/walk to places im not sure how to get there and GPS would come in handy. Heck, my campus is so big, I need gps to go to that one building in that one corner where I have to do that one exam. GPS is handy for me in many situations but the GPS on my 3 year old phone stopped working.
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For watching movie, I would say a Android Tablet, the Prime or other equivalant coming out, there are various topic on the general section, you can read about the tablet coming out then.
Here is the Tegra3 tablet coming out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
1. Extra storage through Micro-SD, SD card (Drag and drop)
2. Multiple media player choice each with their own codec(Dice player, MX player, Mobo Player, etc)
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i think you are right. for me i need to get an android tablet. i like having the micro sd card slot for movies and play multiple codecs. Also, I would prefer to be able to connect the tablet to a TV via a hdmi and watch it. I don't think Apple allows you to do this unless you buy apple tv which cost more $. i'll wait until a few more tegra 3 tablets come out and force the transformer price to drop. i think if the transformer prime was at $450 right now i would probably get it.
If you want a boring ass tablet, definitely get the iPad 3. If not, you might as well wait for the Infinity. Or if you can't wait, if you find a TFP from your local Bestbuy...get it and buy the "buy back guarantee" that way you can retain most of the tablet's value and trade it in once the Infinity is out.
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Not sure what you mean. GPS is supposed to work with or without 3g/4g. I don't drive so sometimes when I bus/walk to places im not sure how to get there and GPS would come in handy. Heck, my campus is so big, I need gps to go to that one building in that one corner where I have to do that one exam. GPS is handy for me in many situations but the GPS on my 3 year old phone stopped working.
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Wouldn't that require you knew where you were going? To insure you ALREADY have the latest information w/ that city? Meaning you're going to have to DL all maps for said city that you're even trying to navigate to right?
In which case your GPS would just be supplemental considering you'd have an idea and already have a map?
If you wanted to use GPS in an unknown area, I don't believe GPS will be able to just randomly DL the area information and give you an idea where you're at, other than Lon/Lat?|
Maybe I'm not understanding how GPS works that well lol. I know it can tell you where you ARE, but you still need some type of data to give you an idea of where you want to go.
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Wouldn't that require you knew where you were going? To insure you ALREADY have the latest information w/ that city? Meaning you're going to have to DL all maps for said city that you're even trying to navigate to right?
In which case your GPS would just be supplemental considering you'd have an idea and already have a map?
If you wanted to use GPS in an unknown area, I don't believe GPS will be able to just randomly DL the area information and give you an idea where you're at, other than Lon/Lat?|
Maybe I'm not understanding how GPS works that well lol. I know it can tell you where you ARE, but you still need some type of data to give you an idea of where you want to go.
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It actually depends on which Navigation app you use...there are some that don't require data usage, therefor all the maps are saved into an sd card. For example, NAVIGON doesn't require data usage.
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Wouldn't that require you knew where you were going? To insure you ALREADY have the latest information w/ that city? Meaning you're going to have to DL all maps for said city that you're even trying to navigate to right?
In which case your GPS would just be supplemental considering you'd have an idea and already have a map?
If you wanted to use GPS in an unknown area, I don't believe GPS will be able to just randomly DL the area information and give you an idea where you're at, other than Lon/Lat?|
Maybe I'm not understanding how GPS works that well lol. I know it can tell you where you ARE, but you still need some type of data to give you an idea of where you want to go.
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There are many GPS applications that can preload maps of entire countries (IE CoPilot). You can then enter any address like 1234 Fake Street and it can give you turn by turn navigation there. So say I want to get to 1234 Fake street but the bus only takes me to 9513 Real Street, then I can use the GPS to help me get to my destination.
I remember when I first saw this video presentation and how excited it made me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZsS-C6f2Q
I also remember seeing this video which sold me on the Tegra 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thwgwQMXR84&feature=relmfu
At the time when I watched these video I my only Android device was the Samsung Vibrant with its single core. Battery life on that phone was ok at best but I couldn't play certain games because framerates were slow or things got chuggy depending on the game or app. I love live wallpapers and I couldn't use them much because they'd slow my phone down bigtime. So you can only imagine my excitement for the Transformer Prime.
So now its been a few months since I've had the Prime (which is rooted and running a stable custom rom) and yes it does handle things better than my old Vibrant phone. However, my Prime still stutters when scrolling from screen to screen, chugs sometimes when I load certain apps and run some live wallpapers. I honestly thought a quadcore processor would have solved all of that.
What I find more puzzling is that I just upgraded to the Galaxy S3 and bought the The Amazing Spiderman game. Why is it that my phone runs The Amazing Spiderman better than my Prime?? Silky smooth on my GS3 which is a dual-core but stuttery on my Prime with a quad-core. If anything I expected my Prime to outperform the GS3 but no. Did I miss something here???
Most probably tested and optimized on the gs3 cuz it sells very well. Secondly gameloft is terrible when it come to coding on android
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TheAggression said:
I remember when I first saw this video presentation and how excited it made me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZsS-C6f2Q
I also remember seeing this video which sold me on the Tegra 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thwgwQMXR84&feature=relmfu
At the time when I watched these video I my only Android device was the Samsung Vibrant with its single core. Battery life on that phone was ok at best but I couldn't play certain games because framerates were slow or things got chuggy depending on the game or app. I love live wallpapers and I couldn't use them much because they'd slow my phone down bigtime. So you can only imagine my excitement for the Transformer Prime.
So now its been a few months since I've had the Prime (which is rooted and running a stable custom rom) and yes it does handle things better than my old Vibrant phone. However, my Prime still stutters when scrolling from screen to screen, chugs sometimes when I load certain apps and run some live wallpapers. I honestly thought a quadcore processor would have solved all of that.
What I find more puzzling is that I just upgraded to the Galaxy S3 and bought the The Amazing Spiderman game. Why is it that my phone runs The Amazing Spiderman better than my Prime?? Silky smooth on my GS3 which is a dual-core but stuttery on my Prime with a quad-core. If anything I expected my Prime to outperform the GS3 but no. Did I miss something here???
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Be careful these guys will run you clear out of here if you down the prime & put anything over it. I felt the same way you felt & got sick of it & sold mine 3 weeks ago...&'got something 10x better than the prime...good luck.
Arun01 said:
Be careful these guys will run you clear out of here if you down the prime & put anything over it. I felt the same way you felt & got sick of it & sold mine 3 weeks ago...&'got something 10x better than the prime...good luck.
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Ipad by any chance? I don't like Apple gadgets, but would buy even the original ipad ten times before buying this Prime. As far as being "run out of town" for putting the Prime down, I'm not here to make friends or seek anyone's approval. I am here to learn, to improve my device, and to give my opinion when I feel that it's warranted. Asus released a device that should have never been released in it's current state, and had the nerve to charge a premium price for a device that doesn't even perform up to par with my old original Evo. And we are all idiots for buying it. Hats off to this community of devs, who were able to squeeze every ounce of performance out of this device with no help from Asus. I realize that there is only so much we can do, but as usual, the community comes through and finds workarounds for the problems that the manufacturer causes. My Samsung Galaxy S II is a beautiful device, and while it goes without saying that I will never buy another Asus device again, I would go as far as to say that I will never buy another Android device that is not made by Samsung.
The S3 is quad core and my prime does not lag at all. If we can fix the memory bottleneck then it will be hard to beat.
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ian1 said:
Most probably tested and optimized on the gs3 cuz it sells very well. Secondly gameloft is terrible when it come to coding on android
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No, it is not optimized for GS3. Simply because there are multiple version of GS3.... one with exyno quad-core(international version), one with S4 krait dual-core(US version)... and so forth. If you think Gameloft is terrible at coding for android... you can pretty much say the same for basically all android game devs.
Yeah basically, although equipped with a quadcore processor it really operates and feels more like what I would have expected a dual core to feel like. Yet my GS3 (T-mobile) with its dual-core operates much more fluently than my Prime does. What surprised me is that my phone handles things with ease that my Prime sometimes chugs at. Not saying that Prime sucks because it does't and for the most part I'm satisfied with it. I'm just a little underwhelmed with its performance. There's no reason my Prime should stutter or chug at certain things. Playing The Amazing Spiderman on the Prime is little disappointing......thank God for my GS3 I guess.
Lemme explain gameloft makes games for android and most android phones run qualcom CPUs and gpus. So qualcom devices have better gaming just because most devs know that most phones use qualcom snapdragon s3 or s4. Tegra on the other hand is tablet only for most part and theres like couple million tablets on the market comparedto the hundred million phones or so. Which do you think would het the priority in development first?
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Big problem is the scheduling I/O and this has been discussed. Not sure if the new JB kernel will fix the problems but if you can take it back for free upgrade to an Infinity or wait for something better/more stable. I love my Prime and it's not a primary gaming device for me (have my ps3, xbox, and PC for that) so I don't notice it at all.
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No, it is not optimized for GS3. Simply because there are multiple version of GS3.... one with exyno quad-core(international version), one with S4 krait dual-core(US version)... and so forth. If you think Gameloft is terrible at coding for android... you can pretty much say the same for basically all android game devs.
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There games are absurdly huge and many gameloft games play better on my 4 year old iPod touch than my gs2 so ya I think they're terrible at coding.
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Ya even my gs2 skyrocket with only an snapdragon s3 (not even exynos) can outperform the prime in many things I was very dissapoinyed with much of the performance, especially with the browser which my skyrocket is amazing at, usual for Samsung. But I think jellybean will improve the performance a lot
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