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Check it out =)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...id-4-0-build-3-11-605-22-for-the-htc-rezound/
Ronn Plae said:
Check it out =)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...id-4-0-build-3-11-605-22-for-the-htc-rezound/
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I'm looking now. Thanks for the heads up!
You have to be locked to flash the radios right? Im still on the GB radio. Im iffy about flashing leaked radios.
mighty_markus12 said:
You have to be locked to flash the radios right? Im still on the GB radio. Im iffy about flashing leaked radios.
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Yes, until we get s-off.
already posted
Can we undo the HTC Dev Unlocker, install the stock, install the leak, and do the HTC Dev Unlock again?
MisfitsTimmy said:
Can we undo the HTC Dev Unlocker, install the stock, install the leak, and do the HTC Dev Unlock again?
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Yes. See the other post for download and instructions
Just a warning guys, it updates your h-boot AGAIN. This time to 2.21
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i dont think the radio is updated based on the ss's of about phone, same as what i have now
downloading,thanks.
nghtmr3 said:
i dont think the radio is updated based on the ss's of about phone, same as what i have now
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That's what I was thinking.
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It does update the radio. You need to relock bootloader then flash.
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md5s are different in radio and mdm9k images,for whatever thats worth
has anyone that ran the full RUU and unlocked tried to re-install an older gingerbread or ICS custom rom? if so did it work,or are you now "stuck" on this leak?
not being quite sure if i wanted to run the whole thing,i flashed the boot and system images and the phone is unusable because of the bootloops
im thinking the factory images are not happy with the 2.01.605.11 firmware so im wondering now if once you install the new hboot,radio,etc, if the older custom roms do not work
scotty1223 said:
md5s are different in radio and mdm9k images,for whatever thats worth
has anyone that ran the full RUU and unlocked tried to re-install an older gingerbread or ICS custom rom? if so did it work,or are you now "stuck" on this leak?
not being quite sure if i wanted to run the whole thing,i flashed the boot and system images and the phone is unusable because of the bootloops
im thinking the factory images are not happy with the 2.01.605.11 firmware so im wondering now if once you install the new hboot,radio,etc, if the older custom roms do not work
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Yes, the older custom roms will not work well with the new firmware. They run fine, but in my case you suddenly didn't have access to your external SD card . Some have lost both cards . Restoring with Scott's rom fixed this for some, I had made a backup of the stock RUU rom so just flashed back and all was good again. Then I flashed Scott's rom. Sounds like something changed with either the mounting points or the mmcc dev block on the new firmware.
scotty1223 said:
md5s are different in radio and mdm9k images,for whatever thats worth
has anyone that ran the full RUU and unlocked tried to re-install an older gingerbread or ICS custom rom? if so did it work,or are you now "stuck" on this leak?
not being quite sure if i wanted to run the whole thing,i flashed the boot and system images and the phone is unusable because of the bootloops
im thinking the factory images are not happy with the 2.01.605.11 firmware so im wondering now if once you install the new hboot,radio,etc, if the older custom roms do not work
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From my understanding the new firmware doesn't play nice with the older roms. I'm very leery of running the ruu myself. What if the actual release uses the old hboot? Is that even possible?
sent from ics land
its possible that the official OTA may contain a different hboot,but not likely the old one. they have obviously changed some things that would ahve to be re-engineered to work with the old hboot,and their wouldnt really be a point. as much as it seems like a possibility i doubt theyd go to the trouble of releasing a leak just to eff with us
if it contains something different,it would be newer,like 2.22+. but im pretty sure the 2.21 will be the release hboot.
im not sure i want to upgrade yet,either,tho i beieve with the evo3d method we will be able to donwgrade if needed.
my main issue is that i still want to be able to use these older roms,at least long enuff everyone has updated their base and made the old version obsolete. i dont really care about getting back to gingerbread,but without s-off i think its best not to rush into anything.
grrr this whole s-on thing really ticks me off on my thunderbolt or sensation id just run the RUU and not care,as i could always go back to old firmware
scotty1223 said:
grrr this whole s-on thing really ticks me off on my thunderbolt or sensation id just run the RUU and not care,as i could always go back to old firmware
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I hear you, I want to do this so badly but I'm leery of not being able to go back if something went down with my phone and I had to take it in. Talk about itchy trigger finger.
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its possible that the official OTA may contain a different hboot,but not likely the old one. they have obviously changed some things that would ahve to be re-engineered to work with the old hboot,and their wouldnt really be a point. as much as it seems like a possibility i doubt theyd go to the trouble of releasing a leak just to eff with us
if it contains something different,it would be newer,like 2.22+. but im pretty sure the 2.21 will be the release hboot.
im not sure i want to upgrade yet,either,tho i beieve with the evo3d method we will be able to donwgrade if needed.
my main issue is that i still want to be able to use these older roms,at least long enuff everyone has updated their base and made the old version obsolete. i dont really care about getting back to gingerbread,but without s-off i think its best not to rush into anything.
grrr this whole s-on thing really ticks me off on my thunderbolt or sensation id just run the RUU and not care,as i could always go back to old firmware
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again this is why we need s-off achieved somehow. i feel your pain scotty.
Well, from what I see in the Amon Ra thread, the mount points for storage are definitely different. (The changelog over on Android Police even mentions a "fix" for storage issues.) As for me, I'm going to wait until drellisdee updates Amon Ra for the new firmware, by which point everyone ought to have their ROMs updated and most of the new "gotcha's" that arise worked out.
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Yes, the older custom roms will not work well with the new firmware. They run fine, but in my case you suddenly didn't have access to your external SD card . Some have lost both cards . Restoring with Scott's rom fixed this for some, I had made a backup of the stock RUU rom so just flashed back and all was good again. Then I flashed Scott's rom. Sounds like something changed with either the mounting points or the mmcc dev block on the new firmware.
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scrosler from Scott's Rom's posted a flashable zip file that fixes the SD Card Issue.
Link
Alright so I'm coming from a Droid 2. I come from the land of CWR and having to SBF before I could go back to a FroYo ROM from Gingerbread because we couldn't flash kernels.
Basically, this is my very first HTC phone and although its similar to a Moto phone, I am realizing more and more that things are much different. I'm unlocked and rooted running Bamf ICS but I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing lol. With S-OFF now, I want to be careful not to screw up my device and know exactly what I'm doing.
So my questions are...
What is an RUU?
What all is flashable through a recovery with S-Off?
If I don't have S-Off, what is this p(something)img.zip file that I'm always flashing?
Anything else you feel is important lol.
Sorry if this has been well explained somewhere else. I have just been reading through a lot of forums on here and it seems that most people are coming from HTC phones and already know the processes. If someone also coming from a Moto phone has any insights or explanations they would be greatly appreciated
GetRipped said:
Alright so I'm coming from a Droid 2. I come from the land of CWR and having to SBF before I could go back to a FroYo ROM from Gingerbread because we couldn't flash kernels.
Basically, this is my very first HTC phone and although its similar to a Moto phone, I am realizing more and more that things are much different. I'm unlocked and rooted running Bamf ICS but I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing lol. With S-OFF now, I want to be careful not to screw up my device and know exactly what I'm doing.
So my questions are...
What is an RUU?
What all is flashable through a recovery with S-Off?
If I don't have S-Off, what is this p(something)img.zip file that I'm always flashing?
Anything else you feel is important lol.
Sorry if this has been well explained somewhere else. I have just been reading through a lot of forums on here and it seems that most people are coming from HTC phones and already know the processes. If someone also coming from a Moto phone has any insights or explanations they would be greatly appreciated
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a RUU is a rom update utility that returns you to stock factory settings that is flashed through the bootloader or by .exe file.
With s-off you can flash radios,hboots,splash screens,firmware,recoverys (through bootloader). And in recovery i think just kernels without having to flash the boot.img through adb
Not sure since i dont have this device. But i believe it is the firmware needed to run ICS roms without problems
The PH .img thing is the kernel. If you try to flash a Rom with an incompatible kernel it won't boot. Likewise, if your going between say to gb roma that use the stock kernel, you don't need to mess with the ph thing.
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great to have you here man!! and s-off is great now that we have it. give the devs time and everything will be flashed in a one step process (kernel, rom, boot screens etc)
ph98img.zip is not the kernel ...but it can be...
ph98img.zip's are anything from kernels, spash screens, radios now, etc.
the new ics leaked firmware for example came in ph98img.zip format
it had included a new, ... well everything
so ph98img's are updates you run in the bootloader and dev's package different things in them.
Ok thanks, I'll be getting this phone sometime soon and coming from Moto the process of doing things seem way, way more confusing and more time consuming when it comes to backups and what not. Do you guys recommend when I first get the phone before even setting it all up to unlock BL, perm root, S-Off and flash my Rom of choice then doing a backup? Also are the backups the same as moto, just one click and it makes a zip to flash whenever?
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ph98img.zip is not the kernel ...but it can be...
ph98img.zip's are anything from kernels, spash screens, radios now, etc.
the new ics leaked firmware for example came in ph98img.zip format
it had included a new, ... well everything
so ph98img's are updates you run in the bootloader and dev's package different things in them.
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Your right but he's talking about the ones you need to flash with roms, which are all kernels. But right nonetheless could be a 3mb kernel or 600mb ruu
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Thanks to synisterwolf the RUU of 2.01.605.11 has been posted to 4Shared. This is an actual RUU, not just the flashable ROM files.
http://www.4shared.com/file/DCi69XHl/RUU_Vigor_VERIZON_WWE_20160511.html
For those having problems with mismatches on kernels, internal or external SD card, etc., or anyone looking to just pure wipe and start from scratch, the RUU is kind of a 'pure wipe and start again'.
Recommend that you are S-OFF in case it is not to your liking (especially since it is a leak). Standard Disclaimer: I take no responsibility for your phone and have no idea if S-OFF survives (but please post if you know)
2.01.605.11 is not ics nor is it a leak. It's ota gingerbread. Please fix your title
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beat me to it...
lol
Even though yes, it is the original GB OTA. Nice to provide a mirrored link. Do give you credit there. Big thank you!!
Snuzzo said:
Even though yes, it is the original GB OTA. Nice to provide a mirrored link. Do give you credit there. Big thank you!!
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There's so many mirrors for things, gets out of hand IMO.
Makes it harder to find things, more search results to filter through, bandwidth, you get the idea. I posted full set of all radios and someone did same. Don't think dropbox has bandwidth issues so why bother. End rant....sorry my bday and I havent had my beer yet LOL
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Oh no I can understand the rant. I've been in a situation before when I needed a file and all mirrors came up dead.
Happy bday!!!
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This is already posted in a sticky.
Now It Is
con247 said:
This is already posted in a sticky.
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Yes - But it didn't start off that way. I was led to believe by someone that we actually had a RUU for the current leak; and not just a flashable ROM file, and since no RUU of the leak has been posted anywhere, I wanted get it up there for anyone who is having problems with conflicts.
I would *LOVE* to get a RUU so I could avoid 'old firmware patches' and the like; and just properly slam my phone right up to ICS without conflicts. Unfortunately it turns out that the file was only the existing GB RUU and there is no RUU.
Hopefully on 5/9 a RUU will get released.
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Yes - But it didn't start off that way. I was led to believe by someone that we actually had a RUU for the current leak; and not just a flashable ROM file, and since no RUU of the leak has been posted anywhere, I wanted get it up there for anyone who is having problems with conflicts.
I would *LOVE* to get a RUU so I could avoid 'old firmware patches' and the like; and just properly slam my phone right up to ICS without conflicts. Unfortunately it turns out that the file was only the existing GB RUU and there is no RUU.
Hopefully on 5/9 a RUU will get released.
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There is an ruu for the ics leak -__- , actually I think there's 3
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bradsinram said:
There is an ruu for the ics leak -__- , actually I think there's 3
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I think most people think an RUU is a windows executable file that flashes everything for you; however the PH98IMG.zip leaks accomplish the same thing, just flashed from within your device and no need to have it connected to a PC running a windows OS. That makes it a pain if you're running Linux. Anyways...I have all the RUUs in my signature to add to the RUU clutter in this forum
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I think most people think an RUU is a windows executable file that flashes everything for you; however the PH98IMG.zip leaks accomplish the same thing, just flashed from within your device and no need to have it connected to a PC running a windows OS. That makes it a pain if you're running Linux. Anyways...I have all the RUUs in my signature to add to the RUU clutter in this forum
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Oh I thought if he was posting an ruu thaat he would know there was two types that do the same thing
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Query
Out of curiousity, if a RUU does the same thing as a PHxxxxx.zip file; why would the 'old firmware patch' be needed for GB -> ICS if you flash the PH file and NOT NEEDED if you runthe RUU.
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Out of curiousity, if a RUU does the same thing as a PHxxxxx.zip file; why would the 'old firmware patch' be needed for GB -> ICS if you flash the PH file and NOT NEEDED if you runthe RUU.
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It has nothing to do with executable vs hboot zip flash. They changed the mount points for ICS... Could happen with an exe or zip
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How about we get a thread started that has all the RUU's available, lists the hboot versions associated with them, and has all the different radios available to download as well.
There are several threads with the different ones and info, but they are spread out.
Also, all the leaks and official versions are starting to get confusing to keep track of, not only because of how many there are, but all the similar version numbers...
I am seeing questions asked in every thread "Is hboot .21 a GB version of ICS?"... "What radio version is in RUU .315?"... etc (just spouted numbers of the top of head, they may not be accurate to actual firmwares/RUUs.)
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It has nothing to do with executable vs hboot zip flash. They changed the mount points for ICS... Could happen with an exe or zip
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Yes they did. Verizon is going to have to deal with that when they release ICS. I doubt Verizon is going to do a 2 step process involving an old firmware patch. It is going to be a one step process, mount points and all.
My unanswered question remains ... why is it the PHxxxxx.zip does not handle this and the RUU which Verizon ultimately releases will (have to).
It is my understanding that real RUU windows exe files has everything in it - the radios, the hboot, the rom, recovery.
You can screw up your phone - with mismatched everything and an RUU file will put everything right. (I think this is the equivalent of a Motorola running RSDLite and a SBF file.)
One can rather easily get a zip from the RUU exe file, but I have read that the RUU EXE is far more robust if there are any problems.
I think the ICS leak is not an RUU - it is not much different from an OTA upgrade in that the ICS Leak instructions demand that the user be completely stock GB.
I don't think anyone should call an upgrade zip file an RUU if it has any requirements of what must be installed before running it.
Howard
P.S. I might be wrong, but this is my current understanding of an RUU.
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Yes they did. Verizon is going to have to deal with that when they release ICS. I doubt Verizon is going to do a 2 step process involving an old firmware patch. It is going to be a one step process, mount points and all.
My unanswered question remains ... why is it the PHxxxxx.zip does not handle this and the RUU which Verizon ultimately releases will (have to).
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I'm not understanding your question... The mount points changed in ics. Verizon isn't going to patch anything... When they ota ics the mount points will match. Only when trying to run gb on ics firmware is a patch needed. Verizon could give two ****s about our mount point woes. Ics firmware works with ics lol what do they care about gb
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On the ruu.exe being more robust, I can attest to that, but that's another story. Just to be clear, there are no ruu.exe for any of the new leaks right?
If Verizon has to release it, anyone have a guess a to the normal timeline?
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On the ruu.exe being more robust, I can attest to that, but that's another story. Just to be clear, there are no ruu.exe for any of the new leaks right?
If Verizon has to release it, anyone have a guess a to the normal timeline?
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The ICS leaks are zip files posted on the androidpolice website.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-0-3-for-the-htc-rezound-includes-new-radios/
Howard
I think the confusion that the OP has is that he is confusing these RUU's (either .exe or .zip) with the ICS Rom's some are releasing that work on GB Firmware (hence needing the old firmware patch). With ANY RUU, zip or exe, you dont need the old firmware patch. If you use a RUU to get back to whatever stock OS you are choosing. Then you are back to full stock. You need to reroot, reflash recovery, reflash hboot if you want a modified hboot.
What you are thinking of are those ICS roms that will run on GB firmware. THEN you need the old firmware patch.
Remember, There is ICS firmware and there is the ICS Operating system. Two different things from what I have been seeing here. ICS OS can run off a phone with GB Firmware with the old firmware patch. And Im pretty sure GB operating system can run on a phone with the ICS firmware, though I cant attest personally to that.
So again, flashing a GB stock RUU will set EVERYTHING back to GB stock, (OS, firmware, radios, recovery, and hboot). Same with ICS Ruu's
I would like to FINALLY S-OFF to make life easier and I am currently running Newt's one XXX Rls 1.0 on the ICS Firmware. MY question is if anyone can point me to a definitive guid on what I need to do to get back to the correct stock rom in order to do this, if anyone can point me in the correct direction for easy instructions that'd be great, my searches have put me in 20 different places and have given me a headache... thanks!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25816870
That should do it for you as far as ensuring you flash a working stock ROM, good instructions. If you want the latest leak, since it is highly likely the OTA given the numbers HTC leaked today:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27244835
Note the attachment if you have root issues, read and check after flashing this one.
Pretty sure those unlimited.io instructions about being on a stock ROM are just to cover their butts for troubleshooting. Unless the custom ROM has issues with USB debugging or issues with root, should be fine. That is what the concern in the instructions is truly about, proper access for the program to work its magic. Just saying XXX RLS 1 should be good to go lol.
I was wondering the same thing I'm on the gb firmware running rezrom sense 4. So are you saying I can s off just how my phone is or do i need to flash something else first. Should I flash ice firmware first or just s off?
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PhantasmRezound said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25816870
That should do it for you as far as ensuring you flash a working stock ROM, good instructions. If you want the latest leak, since it is highly likely the OTA given the numbers HTC leaked today:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27244835
Note the attachment if you have root issues, read and check after flashing this one.
Pretty sure those unlimited.io instructions about being on a stock ROM are just to cover their butts for troubleshooting. Unless the custom ROM has issues with USB debugging or issues with root, should be fine. That is what the concern in the instructions is truly about, proper access for the program to work its magic. Just saying XXX RLS 1 should be good to go lol.
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So here's my software info screens, which s off file should I download? I'm not sure which ice leak I am on I can't remember and I can't tell from here
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So here's my software info screens, which s off file should I download? I'm not sure which ice leak I am on I can't remember and I can't tell from here
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Can't tell there since XXX is not based on Rezound firmware, it's ported... Have to check bootloader version and match up with firmware. (see below)
Make it safe and by the book, simply back up your data, and then flash to a stock rooted ICS ROM. That said:
http://unlimited.io/juopunutbear-public-beta-0-1/instructions/htc-rezound/
Well this is why this advice is simply off the cuff. In theory you'd just grab the corresponding bootloader regardless of the ROM used with. But the files are labeled by firmware version with no hboot label. I know a 2.25 hboot corresponds to the 3.14.605.5 file, 2.21 hboot to the ICS builds before that. 2.11 hboot to the latest GB firmware...
Check the hboot version in your bootloader and match it up with the proper package based on that info, if you wish to attempt on current ROM. If you have 2.21 I am unsure if that could be "Early ICS" or 3.13 leak, have to look at radio numbers then which I don't know off the top of my head...
Again, recommend you backup ROM and flash the 3.14.605.5 firmware rooted for the procedure just to ensure you get through the S-off properly. Get your JuopunutBear hboot on there, reflash recovery, and restore the ROM backup or try an upgrade...
Famester, you have GB firmware and so you only have one package to choose from. You have a better chance than Burkejt1 of just going ahead with S-off using GB package. Remember to do a ROM backup.
If you flash ICS firmware for the procedure too, remember to use the backup afterwards means it must be repatched for new firmware mounting points. Patch after restoring it but before booting the ROM.
Okay, I'm working until 11pm EST tonight and I'll flash the stock rooted ROM for your first post, and then attempt this S-OFF business with a paperclip and some electrical tape.
Thanks for your help I'll let you know how it goes I have been meaning to do this for a while and I think I'll finally have the time to tonight.
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I was wondering the same thing I'm on the gb firmware running rezrom sense 4. So are you saying I can s off just how my phone is or do i need to flash something else first. Should I flash ice firmware first or just s off?
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I was in the same situation before I s-off'd. I stayed on the GB firmware (and still am) but I flashed one of scotts stock roms. scottsroms.com Just to be safe. I also made sure I was on Amon Ra only for the s-off process. I typically prefer TWRP after my initial struggles with Clockwork.
Good luck y'all. It seems scarier than it is.
okay well verizon is sending me a certified replacement rezound for my thunderbolt tomorrow (or this morning whatever), and i am wanting to root it and flash newts sense 4 rom (or any sense 4 rom, suggestions?), but im finding it to be a whole lot more complicated than the root/s-off for both my thunderbolt and dinc2. Everywhere I look theres a different method and none of them seem to be as simple as im used to with the rooting of multiple replacements of my other phones. I'm wondering which method is the best to us, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1504824, which is the all in one tool, or http://androidforums.com/rezound-al...ys-noob-friendly-root-guide-start-finish.html, which is a manual method. Also, i may be seeing this wrong but neither of these give s off so should i use http://unlimited.io/juopunutbear-public-beta-0-1/ which is a beta s off for the rezound. any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
Also, a question with flashing, is it the same process as the tbolt and dinc2, because in newts dl it has a bootimg to flash and i have seen where other people who say to flash another zip that is old firmware patch, and i never had to do anything with either or those on my old phones.
Basically i just want to be able to flash ROMs so yeah the best way would be great to know. Thanks in advance and sorry for citing a different site than xda
Basically First of all you have to go to HTC Dev and unlock your bootloader and install amon-ra recovery. Flash a SuperSu or SuperUser .zip via recovery to gain root on the stock rom. Make sure USB Debugging is enabled and you can attempt S-OFF.
S-OFF is not complicated at all just time consuming because of the wire trick which has to be timed just right. Once you have gained S-OFF flash one of the ICS radios ... I posted the last two new ones in the radio thread (under the development section). Once you have updated your radio go into recovery and flash which ever sense 4 rom you like. Then if your sdcard/internal are being recognized you flash either oldfirmware or gb fix to change the mount points.
All the files you need to download are
ADB
HTC Sync Drivers
unlock token from HTC
Amon-RA
Su flashable zip (Superuser/SuperSU)
JuntoBear zip
Radios
ROM
SDCard Fix if you have those issues (old firmware or GB fix)
Since the OTA ICS firmware 3.14.605.12 10RD is on my phone, i wont need to flash any ICS radios correct? and also the JuntoBear has a file for the (3.14.605.5 ICS Leak) but not the official update, should i use it anyway?
xxtsxx said:
Since the OTA ICS firmware 3.14.605.12 10RD is on my phone, i wont need to flash any ICS radios correct? and also the JuntoBear has a file for the (3.14.605.5 ICS Leak) but not the official update, should i use it anyway?
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.5 and .12 have the same firmware, so the JuntoBear software is the same for them.
thanks to you guys im running sense 4! thank you guys so much for all the help. I had a bit of a scare when getting s off but it ended up all good!