I recently posted a thread on how I can start programming geared towards the mobile platforms.
I would like to develop apps for more than one mobile platform. However I just have access to an Android device (SE Xperia X10), iPhone 4, and an iPad 2.
Smartphones are not like candies, that you can go pickup at a cheap store.
I mean how and where can I and other people who want to develop apps for specific platforms get free phones for testing and using the apps we develop?
The emulator that is included with the SDKs are not always the best way to test.
Any suggestions? All help is appreciated
EDIT: Forgot to mention that recently Windows Phone called over WebOS developers to develop applications on the WP platform, and Windows gave the developers free devices. But there are not many WebOS devs out there..
You can always nag at google for a nexus. Other than that, make your app, use revenue for phones.
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Smokeey said:
You can always nag at google for a nexus. Other than that, make your app, use revenue for phones.
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Thanks a lot, bumping for more suggestions.
Another way is to show your work off to other devices communities here on xda and maybe ask them them to "donate a device" in return for you developing for their specific device. If 10-20 ppl within a community pitch in atleast $10, that's $100-$200 that can be used towards purchasing a reburbished phone on amazon, or ebay. I've seen some phones go for $50-$80 (given they have had ESN's, etc.) But usually I dnt think you need a phone in service to develop for it, unless the app (or whatever your developing) strictly requires you to have service on it to fully test
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Ceelos09 said:
Another way is to show your work off to other devices communities here on xda and maybe ask them them to "donate a device" in return for you developing for their specific device. If 10-20 ppl within a community pitch in atleast $10, that's $100-$200 that can be used towards purchasing a reburbished phone on amazon, or ebay. I've seen some phones go for $50-$80 (given they have had ESN's, etc.) But usually I dnt think you need a phone in service to develop for it, unless the app (or whatever your developing) strictly requires you to have service on it to fully test
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Thanks a lot man. Not sure if someone would want a specific app by donating a device. Donating few amount of money by a few people would work. But I'll prefer to get a whole device free from, say a company.
I dont think its worth that much, for community members to put their money in.
Thanks a lot, ZA
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Thanks a lot man. Not sure if someone would want a specific app by donating a device. Donating few amount of money by a few people would work. But I'll prefer to get a whole device free from, say a company.
I dont think its worth that much, for community members to put their money in.
Thanks a lot, ZA
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Well, I guess it would depend on if your app is in high demand or not, would be the deciding factor in whether people are willing to donate to you.
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Why don't you try writing X company and ask them. Its not uncommon for them to do this, but im sure they aren't giving out phones to anybody. Why don't you get some credentials under your belt before asking though. Its like asking a company to buy and sponsor an f1 car for you but you don't even know how to put air in the tires on a go cart.
I voided my warranty.
Why don't you just build an App first for your available phones? Then if someone gets interested they might donate to you.
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Thanks Everyone for your suggestions. I really appreciate it.
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Why don't you just build an App first for your available phones? Then if someone gets interested they might donate to you.
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I just have one Android phone and its not working. Thanks though.
The good news is that the emulators are actually pretty good. They are not a perfect substitute for on device testing, but I have found very few bugs/behaviors that were different on the emulator than on a device.
If you just are sure to test your layouts on all of your supported screen sizes, you should be ok. There is good, up-to-date information on what devices are out in the wild, provided by google: Platform Versions/Screen Sizes.
Do the best that you can, release your app, and watch for feedback from owner's of devices other than yours.
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The good news is that the emulators are actually pretty good. They are not a perfect substitute for on device testing, but I have found very few bugs/behaviors that were different on the emulator than on a device.
If you just are sure to test your layouts on all of your supported screen sizes, you should be ok. There is good, up-to-date information on what devices are out in the wild, provided by google: Platform Versions/Screen Sizes.
Do the best that you can, release your app, and watch for feedback from owner's of devices other than yours.
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Yes I guess I will have to use emulators for now. Thanks a lot man.
Just for the record. HP has currently stopped the loaning of developer phones.
I want HTC to give me an EVO 3D or a Sensation for development
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I want HTC to give me an EVO 3D or a Sensation for development
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If you guys get a link Please Post!
I'd like a Development phone also....
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If you guys get a link Please Post!
I'd like a Development phone also....
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I wish we could get a link. Who wouldn't want a free development device?
i think most of the posters in this thread just want a free device. and keep adding the adjective "development" in front of it like it's cool or something.
Try some developer contests. Microsoft still has some offering Windows Phone as prizes.
This is a 3-year-old thread
Pushing this up since I'm a student and the prices for high-end devices now are quite high. I would like to develop for the community, but the bottleneck is that I can only stick to my poor abused Nexus 4
There's lots of devices out there, tablets, wearables, but I don't have the budget to buy them and use for testing, especially that new techs come out so often and upgrading to to-date devices is quite costly.
What do you guys think? Any success story here?
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I just went the tried and true (yet probably the hardest) way and attempted to contact manufacturers directly. Still trying to work with several. Hopefully things work out.
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Hi,
I've got 3 apps/live wallpapers currently on the market (links listed below in my signature), all with free and donation versions. Between them they have had just under 32,000 downloads in the last four months. They've been rated between 4 and 5 stars with positive feedback.
Can anyone think of a reason why I've only had a couple of dozen sales of the donation versions? (Many thanks if you have bought one )
It can't be lack of visibility or quality as the free versions seem to be quite popular and are getting healthy reviews. The donation versions have extra functionality as a bonus incentive. It's not price - they are as cheap as I can make them!
Am I missing something? I am at a loss. Please can somebody point me in the right direction?
I'm not naieve enough to think I'll make a ton of cash out of it, just enough to even partially justify the effort I've put in would be nice.
Regards,
Paul
Strangemoo
Hi,
You can get answers to your questions if you look at Wiki - Product Marketing. It is not simple, but when you start to understand this process, your sales will grow.
Sorry for my English.
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Can anyone think of a reason why I've only had a couple of dozen sales of the donation versions?
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Because people want things for free is the simple answer.
pphillips001 said:
Hi,
I've got 3 apps/live wallpapers currently on the market (links listed below in my signature), all with free and donation versions. Between them they have had just under 32,000 downloads in the last four months. They've been rated between 4 and 5 stars with positive feedback.
Can anyone think of a reason why I've only had a couple of dozen sales of the donation versions? (Many thanks if you have bought one )
It can't be lack of visibility or quality as the free versions seem to be quite popular and are getting healthy reviews. The donation versions have extra functionality as a bonus incentive. It's not price - they are as cheap as I can make them!
Am I missing something? I am at a loss. Please can somebody point me in the right direction?
I'm not naieve enough to think I'll make a ton of cash out of it, just enough to even partially justify the effort I've put in would be nice.
Regards,
Paul
Strangemoo
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Are the free versions ad supported?
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I am speaking from a position of total ignorance here but, if I were in your shoes, I would totally just remove the free versions...
Or stick ads in the free versions
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Yep it is very very simple. Free, even with ads people will choose over the paid versions. Even at 99 cents it's enough for people not to purchase.
Plus if your apps make it to pirating sites, there is no point in buying the app. Even my sister can figure out the piracy stuff for android and she cant even install Windows 7.
I will give you my objective experience as a random android user.
I don't think you have done anything wrong. I installed both Dino Pop and Zombie Pop and found myself chuckling and having fun.
I think that it's just something that doesn't fit in the paid app category as much.
I usually pay for apps that I find useful or have promise of future, as of yet unrevealed, entertainment.
I don't know what the limitations of live wallpaper are, but even a simple game needs a) unpredictable change of scenery b) the need for strategy (to entice the mind to test its abilities) c) some kind of final challenge (maybe like a boss zombie or something, to give that sense of accomplishment)
These are just my super honest thoughts, 100% intended to help out.
On a related note, I used to love this arcade game called strikers 1945 plus. I always thought it would be awesome to have a live wallpaper game like that (but obviously not as in depth..it's wallpaper lol)...again, not sure how difficult something like that would be. Just my two cents.
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My thinking...
Case 1: If I find an app for free that also has a Donate version, without any extra features, I will never pay for it. Period.
Case 2: Usually when there is a free app, that also has a paid version without ads, I will buy it if I use the free version enough to wish it didn't have ads.
Case 3: There is a free app (usually a game) that I use continuously every/every other day and I will see that there is a paid version. The paid version has tons of cool features, options, game levels, etc. If I get a little bored of the free version, and really need something extra, I usually won't hesitate to buy it. (Ex. Noogra Nuts, Navy Wars)
Then there's those apps like FriendCaster and Twitter apps with ads. The paid version of FriendCaster is $5. I won't ever buy it to remove the ads. I won't pay for it simply because they don't get in the way, and I can access Facebook/Twitter in many different ways.
Even the name "Whatever App - DONATE" is just a red flag to users. Basically they might see that, and just not even look at it. They won't even see that there are extra options available. You might be able to get away with changing the name (to 'Pro version' or just without 'Donate') and really push the extra functionality.
Just my thoughts about free/donate/paid versions of apps. Hope it helps
Oh, and I like your LWs, keep up the good work!
I agree and have had a somewhat similar experience. I have bought a live wallpaper before because it had added functionality and got rid of upgrade messages on the homescreen (photolive wallpaper). The free version was good enough for me to try it and see what its like, but still restrictive enough for me to have to buy it. I have also donated to an app called Llama, but this is a special case where I will donate more than the small amount in the android market because I love the app and the dev isn't asking what I am willing to pay.
I would say to restrict the free versions of features and really give people both an incentive and reason to upgrade the product if they like it. If not people will generally make do with what they don't have to buy. I went for 2 years with my first Droid experience without buying a single app, I just used add supported or completely free versions, but now I'm much more inclined to support developers when I find something I like and usually but not in all cases, that I can try first.
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Many thanks to all of the inciteful responses. All very inteteresting points.
In a nutshell it appears that I'm basically giving too much for too little. I've withheld going down the adverts route as I'm not a great fan personally - but if that's how the 'many' prefer to go then who am I to disagree!
Does anyone else find it funny that you have to actually annoy Android users into paying for apps?!
Lol - what a world.
Thanks again,
Paul
Strangemoo
pphillips001 said:
Many thanks to all of the inciteful responses. All very inteteresting points.
In a nutshell it appears that I'm basically giving too much for too little. I've withheld going down the adverts route as I'm not a great fan personally - but if that's how the 'many' prefer to go then who am I to disagree!
Does anyone else find it funny that you have to actually annoy Android users into paying for apps?!
Lol - what a world.
Thanks again,
Paul
Strangemoo
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The key to money is think "free = demo," "paid = full featured."
If you do that, and people like it, then you will get more money. I play a game, I like it, it's a demo, that person made a sale. They give it away for free, I'm likely to just use it for free and never even visit their "donation page."
It's like the old saying: Why pay for a cow, when you can get the milk at home for free?
Being not married, that doesn't really apply to me, and I don't pay for cows either way
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Oh yeah... It should probably also be mentioned that when people pay for something, it usually gives them a license (or so they think) to rate it and comment more harshly, so don't be all shocked if ratings go down when you implement a pay-per-app methodology.
pphillips001 said:
Many thanks to all of the inciteful responses. All very inteteresting points.
In a nutshell it appears that I'm basically giving too much for too little. I've withheld going down the adverts route as I'm not a great fan personally - but if that's how the 'many' prefer to go then who am I to disagree!
Does anyone else find it funny that you have to actually annoy Android users into paying for apps?!
Lol - what a world.
Thanks again,
Paul
Strangemoo
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The key to money is think "free = demo," "paid = full featured."
If you do that, and people like it, then you will get more money. I play a game, I like it, it's a demo, that person made a sale. They give it away for free, I'm likely to just use it for free and never even visit their "donation page."
It's like the old saying: Why pay for a cow, when you can get the milk at home for free?
Being not married, that doesn't really apply to me, and I don't pay for cows either way
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Oh yeah... It should probably also be mentioned that when people pay for something, it usually gives them a license (or so they think) to rate it and comment more harshly, so don't be all shocked if ratings go down when you implement a pay-per-app methodology.
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I think you're both right. If you could offer a demo with built in restrictions and then an unlock key. If you can avoid ads and thus the network access permission, which personally I prefer not to see on a live Wallpaper, that would be even better. Then the user has a decent live wallpaper with no strange permissions (for a wallpaper) but something always there to give an incentive to buy it if one likes the developer's work and or the demo product and want to unlock features. This adds value to the product because I would bet less people really care about donating than they would paying to unlock a full version!
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I will give you my objective experience as a random android user.
I don't think you have done anything wrong. I installed both Dino Pop and Zombie Pop and found myself chuckling and having fun.
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I think that it's just something that doesn't fit in the paid app category as much.
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I know what you mean. I figured I'd start off with a couple of live wallpapers to 'test the water'. I have a couple of neat ideas for some original games - but am still unsure it'll be worth the effort on this platform (which is a shame as I love writing for Android).
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I usually pay for apps that I find useful or have promise of future, as of yet unrevealed, entertainment.
I don't know what the limitations of live wallpaper are, but even a simple game needs a) unpredictable change of scenery
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The paid for versions allows you to change the background to anything in your gallery.
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b) the need for strategy (to entice the mind to test its abilities)
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Lol - got me on that one! Finger popping is a bit strategy deficient! I suppose I could add more baddies with different traits...
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c) some kind of final challenge (maybe like a boss zombie or something, to give that sense of accomplishment)
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I had tried to keep both Zombie and Dino Pop lightweight on purpose - largely because they are just wallpapers. But point taken.
I am in two minds whether to polish them up and wrap them both into stand-alone apps.
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These are just my super honest thoughts, 100% intended to help out.
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Sincerely appreciated and many, many thanks!
jontornblom said:
On a related note, I used to love this arcade game called strikers 1945 plus. I always thought it would be awesome to have a live wallpaper game like that (but obviously not as in depth..it's wallpaper lol)...again, not sure how difficult something like that would be. Just my two cents.
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I'll have a look for that - it may turn into my next project
Kind regards,
Paul
Strangemoo
All the best! I'll keep an eye out for your new products!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0y7ue15DTo&hd=1
This video shows the user interface of the custom ROM developed by XDA member Dax INFINITY for the LG Optimus One P500. It is based on CyanogenMod 7.1 and is themed like ICS... enjoy the video...! Video created by me!!! Hope you like it!!!!
The thread for this ROM is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1319459
Thank you Dax!!!
What did you use to record such a smooth video?
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What did you use to record such a smooth video?
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Z- Screen Recorder
Available in Android Market, but only pro version can give such recording. Well I download the pro version by Googling for it!!!
Thanks, I'll try it. But please, piracy is not nice. If everyone downloads apps/games from the internet developers won't spend time anymore to develop on Android
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Thanks, I'll try it. But please, piracy is not nice. If everyone downloads apps/games from the internet developers won't spend time anymore to develop on Android
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You are so right...even I don't like doing that... developers work so hard for creating those amazing stuffs.... but I am helpless as my Dad doesn't allow me to have a credit card... so I cant buy anything online.... sorry...
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You are so right...even I don't like doing that... developers work so hard for creating those amazing stuffs.... but I am helpless as my Dad doesn't allow me to have a credit card... so I cant buy anything online.... sorry...
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That is a tough situation to be in. And not cool. Now, I don't know your age. But, assuming you are at least 17 and have a job. You can get one of those prepaid credit cards and load money on to it. And Google will take that as payment. Or, if you are to young to go to work. You could ask your father to help you get a prepaid card and do some chores so that you can put the money on the card. And if he will not help you. There must be some one some where that could help you out.
Dont get me wrong. I also download apps frome some pirate web sites. But, I do it so that I can try an app in all of its glory. Then in about a couple of days to a week later. I end up purchasing the app from the market. It is only fair to the dev to do so. Though I am sympathetic to you lack of ability to purchase apps from the market. There is never a good excuse to steal from someone. So quite frankly I would suggest that you try to find a way to be honest to the development community.
Just my thoughts though. Have a good one.
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That is a tough situation to be in. And not cool. Now, I don't know your age. But, assuming you are at least 17 and have a job. You can get one of those prepaid credit cards and load money on to it. And Google will take that as payment. Or, if you are to young to go to work. You could ask your father to help you get a prepaid card and do some chores so that you can put the money on the card. And if he will not help you. There must be some one some where that could help you out.
Dont get me wrong. I also download apps frome some pirate web sites. But, I do it so that I can try an app in all of its glory. Then in about a couple of days to a week later. I end up purchasing the app from the market. It is only fair to the dev to do so. Though I am sympathetic to you lack of ability to purchase apps from the market. There is never a good excuse to steal from someone. So quite frankly I would suggest that you try to find a way to be honest to the development community.
Just my thoughts though. Have a good one.
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My age is 16... and nobody goes to work at that age, I mean in my country atleast...
this is my age of education... I am already loaded... I don't say you are wrong... I wish I could jo justice to all those developers, someday.... also, I am willin to be a programmer in future...
I respect whatever you said....
Noob here.
Just ordered/purchased a N2A 32gb card for my NT. Anything I should know before it ships?
Thanks.
no, there is nothing special to note
(like what specifically do you think may go wrong)?
I have no idea what to expect lol. That's why I'm asking.
I got the NT in January, and it has since up-dated to 1.4.1, so I didn't know if that would become an issue. Or if any other glitches are out there.
I'm fairly adept at muddling my way through technical things, but I have been known to have to call my son when I've muddled to much.
( ;
SD Card
Depends on who you got it from! Hope you bought it from Albertwertz or one of the developers here which made it all possible...there's folks out there making a buck on their backs!
Good luck...post questions here...make sure to check unknown sources, both USB debugging boxes and disable OTA updates (download Hidden Settings App from Android Market to do this if your card doesn't already do this for you). If no instructions with your card lots of helpful videos on youtube by Albertwertz on assorted stuff or read through development threads. Note you need the latest Hidden Settings app from the market (I.e., update what is provided, if given this app and it doesn't offer these options.....fairly recent updates which may not be included in the app on your card depending on where you got it! Also, back up ur stuff first!
Yes support developers here, N2A take others work and get the profit.
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I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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It all resides on the bootloader and kernel first bootloader needed to be cracked in order to advance the development for this device now you see that we even have a new kernel 3.0 made from scratch. N2A not capable enough i think. We lost loglud because of N2A, he said he will not post anything else in this forum.
About the Bluetooth and other "missing" things is just a matter of time, devs have to figure it out many things like drivers, the lack/incomplete drivers to make things to work as they should and that was in purpose by B&N. Hopefully fattire find the missing code in order to make Bluetooth work.
~ Veronica
N2a cards are like the blood diamonds of the nook android dev community
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Hi All - 1st time poster and new to the Nook world. I'm very impressed with all of you on here...great stuff and it shows a lot of hard work and dedication.
I don't want to hi-jack the OP but I do have a question that is related.
Just received my refurb NC the other day and I plan to go the CM7 route by way of SD card. I do have the opportunity to swap the NC (AT NO COST) for a NT. I would plan on using CM7 on the Tablet as well by way of SD card.
The question is, do you recommend keeping the NC or swapping it for the NT?
Thanks in advance all!
IMPORTANT EDIT: This swap would be for an 8GB NT NOT the 16GB variety.
Swap. NT has much better hardware. Cm7 works wonderfully on it and it will only continue to get better. Can't stress the difference in hardware enough. Night and day.
Sweetra said:
Swap. NT has much better hardware. Cm7 works wonderfully on it and it will only continue to get better. Can't stress the difference in hardware enough. Night and day.
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Tel864 said:
I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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The only way they have gotten ANYTHING is by following XDA developers. Of course "they" haven't figured out bluetooth...because XDA developers haven't figures out bluetooth. As soon as an XDA dev finds a cure for bluetooth...they will conveniently get theirs working as well. These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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They can only make money if you hand them the money.
There are many users out there who are either not tech savvy enough to muck around with experimental stuff themselves, or just don't have the time of keeping up with all the progresses XDA developers make here. Those users don't mind paying for the convenience and support.
I'm one of those that paid a bit just to get the convenience and support....
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I'm one of those that paid a bit just to get the convenience and support....
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Support. Yea, there's no support on XDA. I mean, the CM7 support thread is only on page 59.
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The only way they have gotten ANYTHING is by following XDA developers. Of course "they" haven't figured out bluetooth...because XDA developers haven't figures out bluetooth. As soon as an XDA dev finds a cure for bluetooth...they will conveniently get theirs working as well. These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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Agreed. There are plently of users around here that maybe aren't considered "recognized developers" but are capable and willing to give support and solve problems, that's what a community's all about.
Read the threads, learn, and pass it on. Support the developers by donating or just hitting the Thanks button, instead of throwing money at leeches. Okay, rant over, haha.
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They can only make money if you hand them the money.
There are many users out there who are either not tech savvy enough to muck around with experimental stuff themselves, or just don't have the time of keeping up with all the progresses XDA developers make here. Those users don't mind paying for the convenience and support.
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Then why bother with the NT in the first place? Why not just throw money at Apple, or Samsung or Asus and have a convenient tablet with a stock rom and kernel and lots of in-place support?
At least with that scenario, the money goes to hardware development, instead of to middlemen, profiting off of other's work.
Not to mention, "tech-savvy" (i hate that phrase, btw), is an acquired trait. Nobody on here came out of the womb with a knack for android development. They read, they learned, they experimented. Is a similar willingness to learn too much to ask from people, who of their own volition, pointed their browser at a development forum ( emphasis on development)?
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there is a phrase that say like this:
Why to buy a smartphone if you're not smart
Birdsbeaks said:
Then why bother with the NT in the first place? Why not just throw money at Apple, or Samsung or Asus...
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Because none of those products are 7" and ~$250 (or less)?
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Because none of those products are 7" and ~$250 (or less)?
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Well, there is the galaxy tab 7, and the galaxy note as far as form factor goes.
The cost, is exactly my point. How does it make sense to buy a +/- $200 tablet, and then, instead of following some simple well written (and filmed) step by step tutorials, to fork over more money to a company for what is essentially a very overpriced sd card?
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Is it just me, or has there been a decline in the quality of android users since the original G1?
It seems that people are interested in having a custom rom, yet are not interested in doing any of the leg work involved, nor are they interested in understand what rooting, s-off, bootloaders are, etc..
Is this just a side effect of android being more mainstream? Is this what happens when Android starts stealing away Iphone users?
Maedhros said:
Is it just me, or has there been a decline in the quality of android users since the original G1?
It seems that people are interested in having a custom rom, yet are not interested in doing any of the leg work involved, nor are they interested in understand what rooting, s-off, bootloaders are, etc..
Is this just a side effect of android being more mainstream? Is this what happens when Android starts stealing away Iphone users?
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I think it's because it's becoming more mainstream. You saw the same thing with Ubuntu taking more space for PC. Linux used to be relatively niche, people who had a certain amount of knowledge would use it, but most casual users would stay away.
It's a bit of a shame for the repetitive questions and having to lead people by the hand, but that also means programmers (apps, roms, kernels, etc etc) will get more interested in Android as it becomes more popular and thus lucrative.
They're just people. Just like you.
The term "quality android user" is a joke and would only come from a place of arrogance. I'm sure whenever any of you "quality android users" try to get service from someone in an area you're not knowledgeable in you're just as annoyingly dense.
"I used android before it was cool"
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That's what happens when things go mainstream & become popular. But you shouldn't say that people are of less quality. In the real world, people work jobs which take all of their time away from them, have to travel long distances & many hours just to get to & from work, have families to feed & take care of, etc... Many people just plain & simply don't have time in their lives to sit at a computer & spend hours of time trying to learn certain things, which is why they ask for help with things that they don't know. Please keep these things in mind. If you are more knowledgeable than someone, you really should try to politely help them, as opposed to just calling them stupid & of lower quality. We were all there once, & we all walk different paths in life. Life is rough. Be kind & help others, as you'd want them to do for you.
If people don't have time to learn what they are doing then they shouldn't be flashing roms.
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In my opinion people (Adverage Consumer) are getting these cheap android based Samsung/HTC/Motorola instead of higher quality phones that are actually close to the same price and being influenced by us (Devolper/Modder) and have basically made them able to do it easy.
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If people don't have time to learn what they are doing then they shouldn't be flashing roms.
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Exactly. And when they brick their phone due to incorrectly doing it. They ask a question here. When I or others answer, Some of them reply "We don't have time for all this!, give us a quick-fix!!"
1. It's your problem not ours. We are not forced to help you.
2. If you want a quick fix, remove some money and send it to a repair shop if you can't follow simple instructions.
3. If you don't have the time and knowledge for all this why are you flashing custom kernels and roms?!?
4. We don't mind helping you out, But be humble
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"I used android before it was cool"
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Hipsters... Bah
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It is true that due to the android os being popular or based in everything it has caused the lazy noobs to increase(quick fixers,complainers,etc) and i guess that is the effect of ppl who just want to show off what they can do with their device other than to assist to build the community up.
I currently obtain and use an Inspire 4G for 2yrs now, but the desire is to contribute as much as i can when i purchase a new device(more mobile apps and even rom development / collabs).
In theory, the more people that join in, the more roms should be developed,tested,and released
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I'm a fellow Nexus 10 owner. I love my device, but I'm a bit tired of facing applications that are low-resolution and unoptimized for the incredible display we have on the Nexus 10. Even tablet-optimized apps are lacking. Aren't you frustrated? Hence, I thought we could do something about it as a community.
Which is the purpose of this thread!
Here's how it will work. This first post will serve as a compilation of all the petitions made to any and all developers to optimize their applications for tablets, and also the Nexus 10's display. Any subsequent posts in this thread shall be for petition requests and discussion, which I will personally put together and post up to the petition site being used for this purpose (Care2 as of this thread's posting). I will then add a direct link to that petition to this thread, sorted by category. Feel free to make any suggestions or to criticize! I will also start us off with a petition I have already created myself: to the developers of the Bloons TD series of games, Ninja Kiwi.
I'll try to keep things simple! Keep on topic, please, and try your best to sign each and every petition. Its the only way we'll be able to actually push developers to optimize their applications for tablets like ours! So, without further ado, let us begin!
Petition List
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Bloons TD 5 - Optimize Bloons TD 5 for Android Tablets
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Facebook - Optimize Facebook for Android Tablets
Instagram - Optimize Instagram for Android Tablets
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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This is likely Google's job, not ours.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
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A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
Like previously said all those social apps need optimization for sure. And the xda app needs optimization. I think there's an HD version but it costs money
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
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I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
This deserved a quick update post: the petitions for Facebook and Instagram are now online. Facebook already has a few votes!
I just signed Facebook one.
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What's the address part for?
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What's the address part for?
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So that you can be stalked lol. No need to put you real address I made one up and it didn't even check if it was right
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What's the address part for?
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Yeah, what abdel said lol.
Its mostly to confirm that you're a real person with a real place to live, that kinda stuff.
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EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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Don't worry, you're not discouraging (me, at least).
Android Tablet market share has been steadily on the rise - in fact, it rivals the iPad. According to many statistics, they are slated to pass (if they have not already) Apple devices in tablet market share by the 3rd quarter. I listed 3 (or 4?) links in all of the petitions.
As for Google, they have been doing a great job lately. They added dedicated tablet sections to Google Play, and have been pushing developers to adhere to the guidelines constantly. I say keep up that pressure!
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Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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Thanks! We need more people like you here. Keep it up!
As for everyone else, keep an eye out for new petitions; and, most importantly of all:
SIGN THEM!!!!
We have hundreds of views on this thread, yet most people don't seem to want to take 60 seconds and sign the petitions, oddly enough. And this is a Nexus 10 forum. Keep it up, anyway! We CAN do this with enough time.
Signed them all
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One of these days I plan to actually try to learn some Android development; I'll be sure to make whatever apps I make optimized for the N10 though :good: